Sex with Sue (2022)

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Jada is on the line.
Hi Jada.

- Hi.
- Hello, you got a question?

Yes, my boyfriend
has a foot fetish,

which I'm okay with.

Mhm.

It's just that it's went
a little extreme now.

He wants me to put, like,
my toe around his anus

and actually insert my toe,
try to insert it.

And I'm very uncomfortable
with that situation.

Yeah.

What about taking a latex glove?

You know, a latex glove?

Uh-huh.

And fill it with, um...

what can we put in it?

Sand or something so
that it keeps its shape.

Oatmeal, there you go, or rice.

You know, take a latex glove,

fill it with rice.

Tie the top off tight,

and then pretend
that that's a toe.

Okay.

That's desperation.

Okay.
- I appreciate it, Sue.

Well, I'm sorry.
- Thank you, all right.

Oh, it's all right.

Have I got an imagination.

Oh, and there's more to come,
believe me.

I'm Sue Johanson.

I am retired now,

living in the lap of luxury.

The kind of work I did was
a little bit controversial.

Our old friend,
sexpert Sue Johanson.

Mrs. Johanson.
- Sue Johanson.

How did you start?

I'm a registered nurse.

And then I started a birth
control clinic for teenagers

in the health room
of a high school-

Okay.

And went crazy.

But I realized that those kids
were havin' more sex than I was-

Uh-huh.

And got kind of PO'd, so.

Right.

I decided that I
wanted to teach sex.

You may not always
have an orgasm,

but guarantee you will
always have a laugh.

Roll up the rim to width.

My niche was radio.

Hi, Stacey.

Television.

Hi, Amy.

And personal appearances.

Horny is a beautiful thing!

I just didn't know
anybody else anywhere

doing what she was doing.

Got a question?

Yeah, I came up with the
idea of putting body glitter

on my boyfriend's testicles.

Mhm.

And I was wondering if
there was any reason

why that would be a bad idea.

I get really turned on by
watching men and women urinate.

Am I weird?
- No.

It was like, I thought
it was the best thing

I'd ever heard in my life,
you know what I mean?

I just remember being so curious

about this little old white
woman talking about sex.

Talk to each other.

That's the most important thing.

I think Sue was revolutionary.

Sounds like a good start.

Okay. It's a good start
and a great finish.

Hey guys, relax.

One size fits all,
not too worry-

She just wanted
to break the taboo of sex.

So much for that.

How it that this one person,
my mom's age,

was the only one
telling us this stuff?

What were you expecting,
Martha Stewart?

Thank you, yeah, roll cameras.

Okay, Sue interview, part one.

Good here?
- Yep.

Sue interview, common marker.

All right.

Okay.

Are you ready?

Good to go.

If you were to think back,

what was your most
favourite memory?

Hmm.

Ahh, do I have
favourite memories?

Oh yes.

I'm Sue Johanson and
this show is "Talk Sex."

The Hot Stuff Bag is just
a-bulging and a-jumping tonight.

Great, okay, let's-

Randy Gulliver,

he was a genius on
the control board.

Dwayne, do you have a
drumroll by chance?

He was the guy in
your earpiece when you were on-

He was in my earpiece.

That's 'cause the
microphone's in your hand.

Oh, there's the microphone!

And he would say some
of the funniest things.

It's a must.

He'd say, "What the
are you doing?"

Perfect.

I like the little
pink thing at the bottom.

Whatever the hell that is.

Julie Smith,
she organized it all.

Oh yeah.

Oh, get that thing away from me.

My name is Julie Smith,

and I was the executive
producer and co-producer on

"Talk Sex with Sue Johanson"

and the
"Sunday Night Sex Show."

Okay, let's move on.

We're going to talk to Paula.

Hi, Paula.

Hi.
- Hi!

The "Sunday Night Sex
Show" was a live call-in program

where viewers got to ask
Sue Johanson questions

about sex and sexuality.

Last week we
were in the 69 position,

and he accidentally poked
me in my eye with his penis.

I remember the first show.

I don't think I've ever
been more terrified

in my entire life.

I had never done live
television before.

What are we doing now?

Just behind-the-scenes
stuff, so doing rehearsal or-

Okay. Well, yeah, okay.

Well, we can do that.

Sue's comfortable
anywhere, okay.

Watermelon!

We're off to rehearsal.

I will behave myself.
Break a leg.

I was absolutely determined.

I better be good or I better
shut up and get outta here.

So green's good except
for the monitor.

I was convinced
that there would be no calls.

Nobody will phone.

We all were fairly terrified.

Ten, nine, eight seven.

Coming to blue.

Roll blue.
- Three, two, one.

Up on it.

This is the
"Sunday Night Sex Show,"

and I'm Sue Johanson.

But the "Sunday Night Sex Show"

is a Canadian first.

And it's your opportunity
to give me a call,

if you have a question

or a concern about sex.

Can I get your name, please?

Okay Howard,
what's your question?

Okay, let me
put you on hold, Melissa.

"Sunday Night Sex Show,"
can I get your name, please?

And we have Marlena
from Lethbridge calling in

right off the mark.

Hi, Marlena.
- Hi.

Hi, how are you?
- Good.

I think the idea is
going public like this

is, uh, easier than they think.

I'm not embarrassed.
I'm not uptight.

I'm not, um, scared of it.

I'm pregnant right now

and I plan on breastfeeding
my child after I have it.

And I was just wondering,
my boyfriend really likes

to suck on my breasts
during love-making.

And I was just wondering,
he's lactose intolerant

and I was just wondering if
my breast milk could hurt him?

Well, he'll certainly have
to start taking Lactaid,

won't he?!

I guess so.

I mean, she hit
the airwaves gangbusters

with this information,

and nobody had seen
anything like this before.

And the whole of Canada
was just like, whoa,

what's going on?

Who is this person?

Well, what are we talking about,
a cock ring?

Right.

Oh, a cock ring,
they come in different sizes.

Is that right?

Yeah, you go to a sex store,

and they usually
come in a package

and there's usually three.

Somebody's stolen my other one.

I have very vivid
memories of the-of the

"Sunday Night Sex Show."

Here was this call-in show

featuring the most
unassuming person

that was leading the show,

talking about

stuff that you just couldn't
find anywhere else.

Yeah, okay, it
doesn't look like that though.

Mine's all Steele.

Okay, then yours is a dildo.

Okay, a dildo then.

Does it have batteries?

I have a vision
of her sitting at that desk,

holding some body part
that was made of silicone.

I remember her
giving a hand-job to a cucumber

and, uh, and showing you
how to hold it for a blow.

I was like, wow, this is wild.

Let your fingers do the walking.

I never looked at a
cucumber the same.

The most common
questions we get in today's world,

like it or not folks,

is all about a**l sex.

Nobody talked openly about this,

especially an older
mature woman that,

you know, looked like she
may have never had sex.

But, you know, that's no
disrespect to you, Sue.

You know, the next time
you're gonna have bum sex,

use something that's got a
string on it or something

that you can retrieve.

Sue Johanson's age

was absolutely one
of the best things

she had going for her.

She was like your grandma,

with kind of hair
stickin' on end.

Wait, you got a hair on it.
- Okay.

I was older.

I was never seen
as a sex kitten.

I had the gift of the gab.

You will have a key word so
that when she says this word,

you know that's it, it's over,

it's finished, it's done with.

A yapper, that's what I was,
a yapper.

And the key word must be
something like sky or canoe.

She was not intimidating at all.

People felt that they
could speak to her

about their most
intimate subjects,

and she was not
gonna judge them,

and she was not gonna
make fun of them..

Thank you very much.
- Good luck.

I enjoy your show.

Thank you.

During sex?

The calls are fantastic,

and they give me so much insight

into what people are doing and
what they wanna know about.

And where their
imagination is taking them.

I also have the most
wonderful crew.

Sorry, yeah.

My name is Sana Young

and I was the makeup
artist on the show.

And how long
did you work on the show?

The entire duration,
from start to finish,

first show to the last show.

I was offered to come
in on Sunday nights

for, I think it was $50?

I think that's what
it started out as.

It was a tiny little studio.

We would cover the set
up with our set pieces

for Sunday night and
then strike it afterwards.

Talk Sex, can I
have your name please?

Mark, what's your question?

I wonder what they thought
of me when I came in,

'cause they'd already
been doing the show

for a few years by that time.

And I think I probably
was just like,

so embarrassed and shy.

I don't even think I
looked anybody in the eye

that first day at all.

It took me a while to
loosen up, really. Yeah.

And how did you?

How did I loosen up?

Um, very slowly.

And to help me,

we have Priya and Germain.

We're here in the
hall of the studio

and they are going to provide
a free home demonstration.

Ooh, this is a great position.

This is probably one of
the most pleasurable ones.

Did you know of Sue

before you started
working on the show?

I did.

In fact, Sue came to my
grade school when I was,

I feel like I was nine,

and she was the first person
to talk to me about sex.

Talk Sex, can I get
your name please?

We're all from
different backgrounds,

different ages,
different careers.

But we all found common
ground on that show.

Sorry.

It was
fun. It was collegial.

We were always
interested to know

what kind of sourdough
Sue was gonna bring.

People had their favorites.

I had them trained.
They had me trained.

The trust level was there,
that was the thing I think.

Okay, so you are wondering,

what does an old lady like
me know about sex toys?

Plenty.

Once the show got
caught some momentum,

manufacturers of sex toys
and like sex products

would send her like a box.

So, like, she was getting
boxes shipped to her

on a regular basis.

My crew thought the
design was kinda sexy

because the buttons look
like female genitalia.

She'd call someone
into the boardroom and be like,

"Could you try this for me?
I think you'd like this."

You look like Garfield.

He had eyes like that.

Folks at the sex, oh-

sex store will tell you that
the Impulse Spellbound Vibrator

is one of their best sellers.

And my testers were impressed.

Yes, we definitely
tested the sex toys.

We were, uh, asked at random to
sort of try different things,

I guess based, you know, on our,

what our potential, uh,
enjoyment level was gonna be.

I gave this to one of our crew.

They are the unofficial Sex
Toy Testing Council of Canada.

And he loved it.

There was many sex toys
that came home with me.

There was so much sex toys,
it was crazy.

I mean, but you know,
the good, the bad,

and the ugly, right?

There's one I have to show you,

which I kept in my
basement still.

It's, um, a really
wild contraption.

I don't know what it's for.

Ah, there is a dildo so I think
I know what it's for but um...

It's called the Fantasy Glide

and you don't bounce up and down

with the dildo in your
vag*na or your anus,

just like you'd think
you would, uh-uh.

Instead, you simply press
up and down on the handle.

Often
manufacturers would send us

these really expensive,

completely crazy sex toys,
you know?

And she would just sort of say,
you know, it's not worth it.

You know, Sue knows
how to pinch a penny.

The dollar store diva is back.

Now, all of this stuff
came from a dollar store

and my fertile,
vivid imagination.

No vibrator handy?

Well, tell all your
friends to call you

and then put your
cell on vibration.

And then you put it
in a plastic bag

and slide it into the
crotch of your panties.

Ooh, purr.

But I found these garish clip-on
earrings at a garage sale

and so I tried them
out as nipple clips

and they didn't hurt me,

so I decided we would
try them out on Germain.

I loved the attention.

Yeah, it was really
fun to show off.

And I was at an age where,
you know,

I was-I was younger, you know?

I had a slightly different
body than what I have now.

And I just wanted to show off.
- This's what everybody needs.

Here is a tool belt.

He doesn't come
with the tool belt.

Sorry about that.

Yes, I remember the
tool belt with like,

there were vibrators
in some of the slots.

Of course you can have
your G-spot stimulator.

I think, were there
handcuffs, too?

If I remember correct,
maybe not.

Oh, we've got a butt
plug stimulator here,

with the remote control yet.

I mean, I thought of everything,
absolutely everything.

She would
pull the different sex toys

out of the tool belt.

And the construction
worker gimmick like,

it, uh, it definitely
made me more comfortable

with getting dressed up in the
bedroom and-and doing things

because people are turned on
by many, many different things.

Ya never know,
when the lights are out,

you're gonna go-

wink-wink, nudge-nudge,
have fun.

There's such a vast
definition of what pleasure is for people.

And what really makes
us feel sexual,

feel turned on is so individual,

it is like a fingerprint.

When you use the vibrator
all by yourself,

you can do what you want,
when you want,

how you want it.

You can stop, you can start,
you can add more lube.

You don't have to think
about your partner.

You know, where's he at?

Is he tired or is she tired
or are they pooped out,

or have they lost interest or,

am I ever gonna reach orgasm?

And you put so much
pressure on yourself.

When you're by yourself,
you don't do that.

I love the fact that Sue was
starting those conversations

and pushing the narrative
that this matters.

For a long time the
messaging that I received

is that your pleasure
happens in between

what works best for the man.

So what you've gotta do
now is figure out, okay,

what do I do with my
vibrator that works so well?

And then you share that
information with your partner.

What stands out to
me about listening to Sue was,

in a culture where we have so
many issues around consent,

so many issues around
sexual as*ault,

uh, I think to emphasize
pleasure is something radical.

It's important for me to focus
on pleasure in my workshops

because I find that is the thing

that people are
missing the most.

Okay, welcome everybody!

Thank you so much for
being here today.

Of course you know
that you are here

for the sophisticated hand job!

But I really like to emphasize
that it is extremely important

that you are not just focusing
on your partner's pleasure,

but also having a good
time for yourself.

I really feel like when it
comes to the practicality

of having pleasurable sex,

we don't learn about that.

And I just found when
I started having sex

I really noticed that I
didn't feel confident

with certain things

and certainly handling
a penis was like,

really high on that list.

I think people are fed an
image as well of sexuality

that it should be pleasurable

but they're not given the tools
to get there for themselves.

So I'm going to now
hand out some dildos,

the moment everybody's
been waiting for! Woo-hoo!

Fantastic.

There is a lot of
challenges that come up

for, um, women taking that class

because they compare
themselves to p*rn.

And they also sometimes
have partners

who are trying to achieve

what they've found
stimulating in p*rn.

There's still choices,
and they're all the same.

My problem is

I can't seem to go down
deep enough for him.

Okay.

And I was wondering
how to do that,

you know, or go deeper
to pleasure him more.

A blowjob in-in p*rn
is not realistic.

So if you think you're
gonna take that whole thing

in your mouth,

you're gonna throw up.

That's not fun.

As a guy, we're so
fixated on size.

The message I got from p*rn was,

that guy's got a penis bigger
than nine of my penises.

Having a small penis
is not a detriment.

It really isn't.

Here I am with my
average wiener,

so I never expected a
girl to react like that.

And when they did, I was like,

what's wrong with you?

What I want everyone to
know about filmed sexual content,

um, that's for
entertainment purposes,

is that it is a paid
professional performance

of a fantasy scenario.

One of the
really confusing things I think

and the myth of p*rn is that
there's a simultaneous orgasm,

that it comes through humping.

That's really just what we see.

It's just a lot of humping!

And there doesn't seem to
be a focus on sensuality.

There's a kind of, uh,
negation of sex toys,

as if the sex toy
represented, um,

a misfire of masculinity.

Since the time we've
been together

she has not had an orgasm
without external stimulation

via a vibrator or an
enhancement gel of some kind.

And we wanna try to
get away from that.

Why?

Mother Nature designed us
so that females reach orgasm

with clitoral stimulation,

and our clitoris really doesn't
care where that comes from.

It really doesn't matter.

So if it works, go for it.

Yes, ma'am.

My hands are getting a workout.

Yeah, I was just gonna say.

I was just gonna say, yeah.

Like, it sounds like
this is the main event

and it's all for him, right?

But what if I wanna
have a good time,

you know, like?
- Yeah!

Get him going and then
we could, you know, like-

Yeah, absolutely!

Take that idea sort of
out of the mind of like,

you know, that I'm
here because like,

you know, I started
something with this person

and now like I kind of
owe them an orgasm.

It is about always, like,
a co-created experience.

Pleasure is the
thing that makes sex

really worthwhile to people.

Um, and so I feel like
that's something that

I really learned from Sue
because that's how she was.

If you are not enjoying
yourself then what's the point?

I agree.

- You know, you might as
well kind of walk out the door.

Let's move on.

And we've got
Nicole on the line.

Hi, Nicole?

Hi Sue, I watch
the show all the time.

I love you, Sue.

Oh, thank you.

Even though we're
slightly off the wall?

Well, that's why I watch you.

But I'm a lesbian and
my girlfriend and I,

we just introduced a**l
beads into our relationship.

Yeah?

And we wanna
know, when's the best time

to actually take them out?

When's the best
time to take them out?

Like, um, uh, when
do you insert them?

Before sex.

Oh, before sex, okay.

No, yeah, you'd take
them out afterwards,

when you're finished,
wouldn't you?

Well, sometimes she'll
take them out when I climax.

Sometimes it's like,
she'll just take them out

but we don't know when's the
best time to take it out.

You know what?

I don't think there is any
right time or wrong time.

It's whenever it
feels good for you.

That was Sue.

So I am curious,

what were your
overall impressions?

I loved her energy
and how she answered questions so easily.

They were kind of like flowy,

like with the
people's personalities,

how they would answer
and I found it just more,

kind of a conversation more
than just like a doctor's visit.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How she'll explain it, yeah.

And they're like,
when should I take it?

And then she's like,
what do you mean?

Like you just... whenever,
and it was like, oh, okay.

Like, some, yeah.

I love that whole
segment because Sue's just like,

oh, you have a question
about a**l beads?

Yeah, here are mine.

I think Sue was
popular because she was honest.

She was straightforward.

She was non-judgmental.

She met people
where they were at.

It was just havin'
a conversation.

Yeah, she just made
everyone feel comfortable.

Yeah, no matter how weird

or like embarrassing
of a question it was.

She was just like,
yeah, all right, you know,

this is you, this is your life,

this is your thing.

Let's talk about it.

She's fantastic, yeah.

I didn't know anything
about sex when I was young,

but you got a distinct feeling

by the absence of
the conversation,

it was a no-no.

On the way home we
stopped and parked

and then things
seemed to happen,

'till we nearly...

Suddenly I realized
what we were about to do.

I asked Jeff to take me home.

It was something
you just don't do.

Don't even think about it.

An unplanned teenage pregnancy

was totally unacceptable.

You'll have to
work out your own best way

to make emotions work for
you and not against you.

I was born in Toronto in 1930.

My birth mother passed
when I was 10 years of age.

My father, he was not
on the scene too much.

He was having a few
problems with alcohol.

Mom was raised
by her mother's sister.

And her mother's sister
didn't really like Sue.

So basically, Mom didn't have

a really loving,
nurturing environment,

um, and I think that that
must have been hard for her.

Did you feel listened
to when you were younger?

Or did you feel-
- Oh, no.

Yeah.
- No, no.

So you didn't have
a voice when you were younger?

Oh, no, no, no.
Wouldn't dare.

Wouldn't dare, no.

I trained for nursing
in a hospital,

St. Boniface Hospital
in Winnipeg,

under the Grey Nuns.

And they were very
uncomfortable ladies

who never talked about sex.

It was a nun-run
institution, where they, you know,

two or three years and you
were ready to wear the cap

and, um, and the
white strict outfit,

which, uh, my mom was
so defiant about.

She always would put
her cap a little askew,

or she'd hike her dress
up a little too high,

because she just was
a bit of a clown.

Oh, yes.

In those days the other
girls wore garter belts

with snaps on their nylons.

And I rolled them up,
nylons up to the knees.

I was pretty liberal,
let's put it that way.

Look at that.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, there we were.

Graduate we did.

She did, Hazel Carnegie did.

I did.

There was that aura
of being a nurse.

You know, for a good time,
call a nurse.

Um, so I decided to enjoy it.

I would be 25,
I'd just finished nursing.

I met the man that I
was going to marry.

And I knew the evening I met him

that I was going to marry him.

Ejnor was very good-looking,

well-spoken,

quieter,

less forceful than I was.

You could probably say I ruled.

It was a good marriage,
with wonderful kids.

They arrived rather quickly,
about 10 months apart.

My husband kind of regarded
me as a walking ovary,

looking for a place to happen.

She taught me how to sew.

She taught me how to knit.

She taught me how
to make sourdough.

She taught me how to bake.

Did she teach me anything
about sex and sexuality?

I would say absolutely not.

I couldn't hear about
sex from my mom.

But my friends, they'd come over

and they would find out
that Sue was a nurse,

and they didn't think
twice about just asking her

things that were on their mind

or questions that
they had about stuff.

I think Sue was motivated
because she had children.

And she was a nurse,

and at that time I think
her kids had questions

and she really didn't know
how to answer these questions.

So she started learning

about how to talk
to kids about sex.

The Grey Nuns were
not exactly great teachers

about human sexuality.

So I had to go back and
learn that at university.

She was taking courses
down at Ann Arbor, Michigan,

and she attended OISE to
further her education.

And she did a hell
of a lot of reading.

Her bookcase was just
bursting with, you know,

Signs and Symptoms".

I think the big kicker
was my sister came home

with a friend from high school,

who was at a very young age,

14, 15, 16, somewhere in there,

who believed that
they were pregnant.

And of course in
those days in Canada,

we couldn't talk
about birth control.

Abortion was illegal,

and it was very
traumatic for her.

And I just realized,

I do not want kids going
through this ever again.

It was devastating.

She'd had an abortion and
terminated the pregnancy.

That bothered me terribly.

And that was it.

I think that was
like bee in bonnet

and Mom went, oh, wait,

we need some place
for teenagers to go

so that they don't get
pregnant in the first place.

The clinic was
unique, uh, in Canada, really,

to be in a high school,
Don Mills Collegiate,

and it was geared
for adolescents.

I mean, teenage sex was a taboo

and nobody would talk about it.

And kids were at risk
in their environments.

Hi.
- Hi, come on in.

The teenage pregnancy
rate in the '70s was very high.

They're out.
- Your folks?

Uh huh.
- Oh.

And when are they coming back?

Oh, they said late.

My sister and I
both started working there

being receptionists.

The most common thing that
kids would come in for

was usually birth control.

They were nervous
about getting pregnant.

I'm not even on the pill.

I know a lot of other girls are,
but I just don't know.

Well...

Oh yeah, we had
kids lined up out the hall.

And they were telling mom

that they were going
to basketball practice

and library and, oh,
all the rest of it.

Oh, the clinic went crazy.

She was like a counselor,

and people were so comfortable
talking to Sue, oh my gosh.

I never said, "You should."

That word was verboten.

You didn't use that word at all.

It was always, you could do this

and this might happen,

but, yeah, on the other hand,
you could do that

and it, then the other
thing might happen.

Let me tell ya, she's so old

she hasn't done it
in thirty years!

As soon as the
birth control clinic was open,

then Mom started teaching
in like schools in the area.

I figure I've got
about 15 seconds

to establish credibility,

to prove to you that I know
what I'm talking about.

Sue Johanson came to my school

and it was amazing how quickly
we all felt comfortable,

and it felt like normal
and cool to just be like,

I have questions.

Make sure if you're going to be
involved in sexual activity,

you get a method
that's gonna work.

'Cause one in five
teenagers gets pregnant

the first time she does it.

Just make sure you are not
amongst those statistics.

She made it fun

and different from health
class or something like that,

where you have to learn it
and then write a test on it.

But here it was something
that you could just listen to

and think about.

She's really gonna
make people realize

that it's something that
you have to think about.

My mom doesn't
really discuss it.

She doesn't?

No, she doesn't like to...

she doesn't really like
to talk about that stuff.

Sex was nowhere
on my radar at that point,

partly because I never was
exposed to sex in my household.

We didn't talk about it.

And she came in and she said,

"I know some of you might
or already be having sex,"

and I was shocked.

I was thinking,
who's having sex?

And I realized, okay,

get your head out of
the sand, Carlyle.

Some of these people
are already having sex,

even if it's just with
themselves, right?

She just kind of normalized
it for me in particular,

and made it seem as
though it was something

that we needed to learn about,

just as we needed to learn
about healthy food and exercise

and how our different
parts of our bodies work,

that sex was just one of
those parts of our body.

Females are not even told

how to identify when they
are sexually aroused.

Guys know when they're
sexually aroused.

There's no question,
they've got this indicator!

There was this
moment we were all like,

oh, we've all been sort
of quietly to ourselves

been thinking about these things

and wondering about these things

and-and we all felt like,
oh, it must just be me,

because no one's
talking about it.

And she just opened it
up and it was like, oh!

A lot of us are curious
about these things.

A lot of us are thinking
about these things.

And then you didn't
feel weird or isolated

or like there was
something wrong with you.

I got fed up with
parents who were saying

parents should be
the sex educators

for their own children.

And then they were heading,
you know,

anywhere but talking about sex.

It's a question of what message

about how sexuality is
meant to be expressed,

and how good it is and
how important it is,

and how you're not supposed
to waste your treasure.

That's what matters.

Sue Johanson?

Well, of course I have a problem

with wasting your treasure,

because that puts a
whole different image

on the whole thing.

If Mom had any pushback,

it was from people who
were anti-abortion.

I was non-critical.

Hey, I don't like abortion,

but there are times
when it's necessary,

like it or not, Susie.

Um, put up and shut up.

I hated to be seen as somebody

who was promoting abortion.

'Cause I wasn't
promoting abortion.

I was trying to prevent it.

Mom was a huge
supporter of abortion clinics

and Morgentaler and the work
that he did in Montreal.

We didn't promote that
and we didn't provide it

but she wanted kids
to be educated

so they never even got to
that place in the first place.

Literally for centuries,

we have lived in a
culture and in societies

that have told us to
be afraid of sex,

that, uh, sex and
sexuality are bad,

that they need to be, you know,

very heavily
controlled and managed,

and that we shouldn't
talk about it.

And so it just seems scary.

The problem with sex education

is that it doesn't
really cover sex.

It covers reproductive biology,

how to make a baby,
how to avoid making a baby.

You can cover that
in 45 minutes.

The sperm
meets the egg in this tube.

Then the fertilized egg becomes
attached to the uterus wall,

and the cells multiply
and grow into a baby.

Yeah, but how's it get there?

You know, not just the
sperm and egg stuff.

I mean, well,
what really happens?

Oh, what you wanna know
about is sexual intercourse.

Well, that happens like this.

Here.

I always compare
sex ed, as we have it,

uh, to driver's ed where
they just teach you

how the internal
combustion engine works,

but they don't teach you
how to steer or brake

or what the red sign at the
end of the block, uh, means.

And if that was our driver's ed,

the first time you got
behind the wheels of a car

you would k*ll somebody.

When a man and
woman want to make love

or have intercourse,

the man's penis becomes erect

so that it can more
easily enter the vag*na.

I think I would've
been in the fifth grade,

and there was one
or two lessons, um,

that were taught by my
elementary school teacher.

This is what the male
body looks like.

This is what the female
body looks like.

This is how you put them
together to make a baby.

And let's move on
to English class.

I mean, definitely there
was nothing about sexuality.

The fertilized egg now
continues on its way to the uterus.

And most
people's sexual interests

do fall outside of
reproductive biology.

What trips people up is,
what do I want?

How do I ask for it?

How do you negotiate
consensual sexual activity?

How do you?

How do you get laid?

We fear that if we let younger
people know it feels good,

they'll go out and do it,
it'll give them permission.

Like, well, look,

we don't need to give
young people permission,

puberty and Mother Nature

do a really good job of,
at a certain point,

a person will become interested

in some aspect of
this adult stuff

and will seek information.

So something I'm
curious about with you is,

where do people your
age go or, you know,

who do they turn to

when they wanna learn
about sex and sexuality?

It's like people you know who

they've had some experience
so you'll talk to them,

so whether it be friends
or other people,

but also like the internet,
to be honest.

It's-it's mainly the internet.

Okay, and are you,
like, are you Googling?

Are you going on social media?

How do you search
for the information?

I think it's like once you hear
a word you don't know about,

like then you're like,
what is that?

And you'll look it up
and then you're like, oh!

And then you go like,
oh, okay, cool.

And then like eventually
you'll hear another word

and do the same thing

until you're basically all
knowledged-up, you know.

Okay, that's really cool.

Does anybody have specific
sites or specific sources

that you go to online?

There's this one girl on TikTok,

I don't know exactly
what her name is,

but she's got quite a few
followers and she's verified

and I go to her for
a lot of information

and tips and stuff, so.

- Nice.
- Yeah.

Wait, is she the one who
has, like, the boyfriend?

Yes! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, person with the boyfriend.

I will find her.

For teens, I
think it can be really hard

to go to a parent and say,

"Okay, I heard about this
like sexual position."

I don't wanna ask my
mom that question.

I don't wanna ask my
teacher that question,

'cause I'm gonna have
to show up the next day

and then be like,
we had this conversation.

But it's like, oh, okay, the
sex talking lady is coming.

I'll ask her.

She'll tell me,
she won't be weird about it

and then she'll go away.

If I sort of boil most
of the questions I get

down to their essence,

98% of the time what
they're asking me is,

am I normal? Am I okay?

And pretty much 100% of
the time my answer is yes.

Okay.

These are all
fantastic questions.

What do
you think is the best way

for you to get your
message across?

Radio. Yeah.

Everybody has a radio.

The radio show came along
as a result of an interview,

on the radio, on Q107,

Toronto's best rock
with Jane Hawtin.

When I first started
Q107, I was a newscaster.

And then, um,

they decided to create a
show called "Barometer,"

which was a public
affairs program.

I think I read in the paper
about her getting into trouble

at Don Mills Collegiate because
she was giving out condoms.

Oh, she sounds perfect
for Barometer.

They're doin' it in
the living room,

the dining room, the kitchen,

the bathroom, the car,
the canoe, wherever.

We had her on several
times because she was always great.

She was so straightforward
and no nonsense,

but she also had a
great sense of humour.

So we really had fun
working together.

And so, when you find
a great personality,

they should have their own show.

Welcome to
the Sunday Night Sex Show

on the rock radio network.

Now here's your host,
Sue Johanson.

We have Scott on the line.

Hi, Scott.

Hi, Sue.

Hi, you got a question?
- Yes.

The first night on
the Sunday Night Sex Show,

she had talked about a**l sex

and how to have a**l sex safely.

Who likes rough a**l
sex, you or your partner?

Ha. A little bit
of both but mostly me.

Would you be honest
enough to say to your partner,

"Ouch, whoa, that hurts"?

Oh yeah.

The next morning,

the program director
came into my office

and he was
absolutely apoplectic.

He said, "You have to tell her

"that she can't talk
about a**l sex anymore,

or-or the show's
gonna get pulled."

And he tried to make me do it
and I was, I wouldn't do it.

So, and so the end of the
conversation I remember

was just something like,
"Well, fine,

"we'll just see what
happens next week,

"but she better not
talk about a**l sex."

And of course, she did.

I worry about
it. I worry about it.

It's up to you,
it's your rectum, not mine.

I used to listen to
her on radio all the time

as a pizza driver.

It was a couple of hours.

I wouldn't miss a segment.

Driving home from the
cottage on Sunday nights,

we'd listen to her
stuck in traffic.

How do you feel you would
perform in bed with two females?

Well, I
personally think I'm pretty good.

I was a young teenage boy

and I had my boombox
beside the bed

and I had this really
dope Hitachi boombox.

And I would listen to the
radio before I go to bed.

Sunday nights would be
"Sunday Night Funnies."

And then you'd flip it
over to "Sex with Sue."

Carnivores,
their ej*cul*te is bitter

and sour and strong.

Yeah, that's why I'm so prolific
with my sexual knowledge.

You know the candy Pop Rocks?

- Yeah.
- Yeah?

Okay, is it safe to use
when you're having oral sex?

And then it became like the
thing you would talk about

the next day, did you guys
listen to "Sex with Sue"

last night?

Did you hear about that one guy

who had a blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah?

And you're like,
yeah, yeah, yeah!

It was like, I thought
it was the best thing

I'd ever heard in my life,
you know what I mean?

Yes, a few weeks ago

me and my boyfriend were having,
you know, intercourse,

and a very weird noise
came out of my vag*na.

It sounded kind of
like a farting noise.

- Yeah.
- So embarrassing.

Sue was on,

it was mostly in my bedroom

or in my headphones,
if I was listening to a Walkman

with a radio player on it.

I picked up this prost*tute

and I noticed that I
have these cold sores

on the inside of my lips.

It definitely felt
like a secret.

Okay, can you tell
me first of all,

how are you feeling right now?

I mean, I realize
that you're telling,

you've got no friends
that you can talk to,

and there's just this
great big gap in your life.

Am I right?
- Right.

They can't find anybody else

that they can really open up to,

who will not put them down.

Radio is the greatest
medium of all

because radio avoids

one of the great tragedies
of the human condition,

which is we judge
by what we see.

When you remove the visuals
from it and you just listen,

you actually can get some truth.

My boyfriend and I,

we've been having
troubles lately.

Yeah?

Well, actually,
it's just me with the troubles.

I can't ej*cul*te anymore.

I should probably be
clear that there were lots of people

who didn't like
what Sue was doing,

who didn't like that blunt talk,

oh, who thought it went too far.

Ah, because it was
too out there.

No one pulled advertising
or-or anything like that.

We were exploring and we
were willing to talk about it.

Our job is to
present information.

It was also the time.

it was going to be
really important

for people to be able
to have sex safely.

If a woman is HIV-positive-

Yes.

And the guy is HIV-negative-

Yes.

If she was to
orally stimulate his penis,

would he contract that?

One of the really
important things to consider

when you talk about
Sue's impact,

certainly on a
certain generation,

is that when we were
coming of age sexually,

in my age group,
AIDS was hitting.

There is no
test that can identify AIDS.

They know the disease
is sexually transmitted,

particularly by h*m*,

and that its symptom is
a rare form of pneumonia

caused by a virus that
kills immunity to illnesses.

Well, I came out in 1980.

So I came out before
HIV/AIDS, just before,

and then watched as suddenly
all my friends were dying.

The way that AIDS
completely devastated my community,

it almost cannot
be put into words.

It was so frightening
and so mysterious.

The AIDS
epidemic was really raging,

and it was barely being
talked about in the news.

It was barely being spoken about

other than the "gay plague."

We're asking why
potential blood donors

are not being required
without exception

to fill out extensive
questionnaires

under penalty of perjury

detailing their health
and sexual proclivities.

'85, '86 was a
terrifying time to be gay.

You had prominent, not fringe,

prominent mainstream
Republicans talking about

having gay people,
HIV-positive gay people,

tattooed on their asses

so that their sex
partners would know.

And it didn't feel hyperbolic.

It felt like these were
policies and proposals

that were being
seriously floated.

Uh, and it was a scary time.

God is not mocked or
fooled or deceived whatsoever,

a man or a woman soweth

that shall that
person also reap.

We do reap it in our flesh when
we violate the laws of God.

Oh yes.

Boy oh boy, that's a tough one.

That was heartbreaking

because I had a lot of
friends who were gay,

uh, and that bothered
me a great deal.

But they obviously felt
that it was a sin.

And that's a shame.

It's believed there will be

6 to 7,000 cases of the disease
in this province by 1990,

and medical treatment
for those patients alone

is expected to run into the
hundreds of millions of dollars.

My mother was a nurse.

She'd come home
from the hospital

and try to describe what was
happening to these young kids.

And they were being
treated in hazmat suits.

They were essentially
in quarantine.

And there was a lot of fear
because no one knew what it was.

I've asked HHS
to add the AIDS virus

to the list of
contagious diseases

for which immigrants and aliens

seeking permanent residence
in the United States

can be denied entry.

Then you hear about it
reaching people you may know.

Because of, um,

the HIV virus that
I have attained, uh,

I will have to retire
from the Lakers.

He apparently was
practicing unsafe heterosexual sex

at the time that
he was infected.

And as we've been trying to tell
the general public for so long,

this can happen
and it does happen.

What HIV did was
force a conversation

about the sex people
were actually having,

as opposed to a
conversation about the sex

we all publicly agreed to
pretend everyone was having.

And so, that gave rise
to incredible movements

within the BDSM community,

within all of these fetish
communities that were thriving

because people were figuring
out other ways to connect

and be close and have
sex that felt dangerous

but wasn't actually dangerous.

The tiny silver lining
of the AIDS epidemic

was that it required
public speaking

about sex behaviour,
absent morality.

If you do this,
you can get sick.

If you do this,
you'll not get sick.

And it was like, yes.

And that conversation about sex

wasn't led by the
federal government,

wasn't led by local
health boards.

That conversation was led
by scrappy, community-based,

brand new HIV/AIDS
education organizations.

I'd like to see
major targeted campaigns

put on by our city government.

I'd like to ask
Dr. Tuckson why

eight years into this epidemic

there is still not a major
education campaign in the city.

When we really,
really, really needed healthy,

progressive sex education,

the church and the
government abandoned us.

Not only did they abandon us,
they endangered us.

They sent us into this world
where sex now equaled death

and the only person that we
started to hear this from

was a Sunday night radio show?

That was really,
really valuable.

You got a nice family
doctor that you like?

Yeah, I do.

All right.

Make an appointment and-and
also in the meantime,

until you get there,
don't have intercourse.

If someone with HIV uses a dildo

and then you go and
use it behind them,

would you catch it, HIV or AIDS?

Never go from rectum to vag*na.

It became life and death,

not just for knowing
how to have safe sex,

but also how to have
a good sexual life.

Sex is such
a huge responsibility

and I think that's a factor
that a lot of people think about

before they-before
they have sex.

If you're
in a sexual relationship now,

in like 1992,

and you don't know
that you have to have

some kind of protection if
you don't wanna get an STD,

or if you don't wanna
contract HIV, you know,

then you're not being
exposed to the right things.

And we didn't do a good job

of giving you good
sex education.

So my job this evening is
to fill in some of the gaps

in your sex education in school,

some of the controversial issues

that they would not
talk about in school.

The big event was having
Sue Johanson speak,

you know, the first
week of university, um,

and, uh, they just used to roar.

They would cheer when
she walked out on stage,

which is so cool.

Sue, Sue, Sue, Sue!

Are you ready to
have "Sex with Sue"?

She's one of the best things
happening for youth today,

I guess, that's for sure.

She's answered a lot of
questions that I've had.

Six thousand kids
sitting out on a grassy hill

on a beautiful
September evening,

listening to me talk about sex.

You gotta talk about it
and you can't talk about it

if ya don't know what
you're talking about.

So that's what we're
gonna do tonight.

This was a big breakthrough

for you to be able
to find your voice.

Yes, yes.
- Really.

And to find that it worked.

I was standing out on
stage, uh, talkin' dirty

and everybody listened.

cha,

she'll answer your
questions fair and square.

She's down to earth,
she's gonna tell it true.

Talkin' sex, talkin' sex,
talkin' sex with Sue.

Yep, we're talking sex on
Rogers Toronto Cable 10.

Give us a call if
you've got a question.

Once we did the radio show,

we just quietly moved
into television.

We have Mary on the line.

Hi, Mary.

Hi, Amy.

I started on Rogers, yeah,
every Thursday night.

Hi, Sven.

Allan.
- Hi, Sue.

Hi, you're there.

Good, you got a question?

So in radio people fall in love

with those voices,
their personalities.

They feel like they're
their friends.

And once they're on television,

it takes a lot to
break through that.

We are still emphasizing
the importance of condoms.

I absolutely know
that she broke that wall

to be able to connect
directly through people, um,

on television.

And so it goes on,

talking sex, learning about sex.

I'd known about the show.

I would go to Canada

and I would catch the
show on Sunday nights.

Did you talk to your boyfriend
about biting your testicle?

Yeah, Tyler likes to do that.

I think you've gotta
make it very, very clear,

you do that again big guy,
and you're out the door.

I just thought it was amazing.

I was in a hotel room going,

you can do this on
Canadian television?

Oh my god,

you can't do this in America.

No, we're gonna rehearse
"Talk Sex" first.

The people of America,

they wanted to call
Sue themselves.

They had their own questions.

So, we approached Oxygen

about doing a live call-in
for their audience.

And they said,
oh yes, definitely.

Welcome! I'm Sue Johanson

and this is "Talk Sex."

I'm hot to trot,

so let's get those phone
lines just a-burning.

Here's our first caller,
her name is Michelle.

Hi, Michelle.

Hey, Sue!

Hello you, how are ya?

I'm doing great.
How are you?

I'm fine.

You got a question for me?

Once the Americans picked her up

and she was on Oprah's network,

it was like, ooh,
oh my god, Sue.

We had like, Oprah's
assistants coming down

and like, it changed, you know?

It's like, now you
couldn't smell like weed

comin' up the stairs
kind of thing.

When I got American channels

that featured the show and paid,

then yeah,
that was-that was nice.

So we did two
shows back to back.

Uh, the first show was the
Sunday Night Sex Show to Canada.

And then Sue literally was
getting unhooked from her IFB

and running across
to the other set,

and then going live to
an American audience.

Now, can you take turns?

Every Sunday tens
of thousands of people called.

We could hear the phone ringing

as soon as we arrived
at six o'clock.

"Talk Sex,"
can I get your name please?

But we had no idea

when we started doing
"Talk Sex with Sue Johanson"

for an American audience,

how ill-educated they were.

Is it okay to use a Ziploc bag

in replace of a condom
with lubricant?

No!

Is it normal for children

around the age of
13 to masturbate?

Honey...

The questions from
the American callers

just seemed like they
needed to know more.

It seemed like they
were just further back

in their sexual development.

And it-it felt good knowing that
we were on the kind of show

that people looked up to
for that kind of advice.

Hello, you're there, good.

You got a question?

Yes, Dr. Sue, how are you?

I'm a big fan.

Okay, I need to be
clarify about one thing.

I'm not a doctor.

And I just don't want-
Oh, I'm sorry.

No, no, I'm not offended,

but I just don't want
anybody to think

I'm pretending to be
something I'm not.

I've been called Dr. Sue,

and I always had
to correct people

and say I am not a doctor

'cause I did not want
anybody to think

I was riding in on
somebody's shirt tail.

Welcome to The Dr. Ruth
Show, with Dr. Ruth Westheimer,

coming to you from
New York City.

Sue and Dr. Ruth
were very different

because they weren't talking
about the same thing.

- I'm 18.
- Yes.

And I'm a virgin.

But Dr. Ruth, of course,
was about the psychology of sex,

where Sue was, you know,
nuts and bolts.

Lynn, listen to me
very carefully.

It is really very important
for somebody like you

to say to yourself that you
have decided to remain a virgin

until the night after
the wedding ceremony

and stick to it.

Do a lot of kissing.

Do you like to kiss?

And the best way is for you,
in doggy position?

Do you know what I mean,
doggy position?

Yeah, they're both old ladies,
but she wasn't the same.

That just goes to say,

they needed Sue even more
than Canadians needed her.

We're here to talk about
how good sex can be

in the context of marriage.

You see, you're designed to
have sex with one person,

your husband or your wife.

My sex ed was
very religious-based.

So when I was growing
up there was this idea

that sex was both this
beautiful thing that God created

but also totally off limits.

You were not allowed to do it.

God knew that from
the very beginning.

And he had a plan

that sex was to be
protected within marriage.

Monogamy, what does that mean?

Just having one partner.

Only having sex with
one person in marriage,

in a monogamous
relationship for life.

What if I wanna have sex
before I get married?

Well, I guess you just
have to be prepared to die.

And so, that really
kind of set the tone for me

about what sex was

and, like, how evil and
off limits it was to me.

Um, there were no conversations
about masturbation.

There were no conversations
about sexual pleasure.

Gentle touching,
stroking, oral sex.

And then I saw
Sue Johanson on television

and she had like on
her desk or whatever,

like, all of these
different dildos

in different shapes and colours.

And she was instructing, like,
different ways of penetration

or different speeds
of penetration.

And I remember just being like,

first, I was just like,

oh my god, I'm going to hell.

Like, I can't watch this stuff.

But also I was like,

I'm so fascinated.

Tell me more.

What is the best way
to have rectal sex?

'Cause it hurts me so bad
when we have to do it.

Okay.

We have a sex toy tonight that
might make it easier for you.

We had issues with
the American show,

because when we first started,

sodomy and even oral sex was
illegal in most of the states.

Uh, and I mean, to this day

it's illegal to have
a vibrator in Alabama.

This one's small, dirt cheap,

and it works beautifully.

But Sue Johanson was
never afraid to talk about anything.

Did Oxygen
give you a list of words

you couldn't talk about?

Oxygen did not give
us a list of things

we could or could
not talk about.

But when the Janet Jackson
Nipplegate happened,

all of a sudden the FCC
clamped down big time.

And then we were given
a huge list of words

that we could not
use in the show.

Do you remember
any of the words you couldn't say?

Well, I could say them.

Good thing my mother's not
no longer on this earth.

The words
we're not supposed to say.

Oh, the words we can't say.

See?
- Mm-hmm.

The words that we can't say.

No, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Penis is not on there.

Is on there?

Oh yeah, it's up there.

Okay.

But like cock was
one of the things.

And of course,
Sue took offense to that

because a cock ring
is a cock ring,

and that there's no
other term for it.

And so the network was like,
"Well, you can't say that."

And Sue said, "But there's
no other word for it."

"Oh, you know,
a penile enhancer."

She said, "No, that's
not what it's called."

And she would dig her little
feet in and was stubborn

when it came to things
that she knew was correct.

Because she was
on such a mission

to do and to provide
this information,

she didn't care what
people really thought.

I don't wanna swear too much

but she couldn't
give a rat's ass.

Oh, a cock ring.

Cock ring.
Cock ring.

Radical cock,

the be all and end all
to a maiden's prayer.

I didn't give a damn.

I walked in and I
owned this place

and-and, you know,
I can do this.

I was first
introduced to Sue Johanson,

I would say,

the early 2000s,
probably like 2002-ish,

um, on the Oxygen Network.

It was a time before
social media.

We had dial-up.

It was a big deal
for me to see this

because I was just enamored.

Like, I was just thinking,

there's nobody talking this way.

Now, when your
husband gets out of jail

he is going to be as
horny as they come.

He's gonna kick the door down.

And so, you know, uh,
you just better say,

whoa, whoa, whoa,
big guy, I need time.

I need a little time.

You've just done time.

I need time.

I was just addicted.

I was addicted to
the-the-the frankness,

the honesty.

They're called vaginal farts

and it's something we can do,

they can't do.

What was great
about Sue's show and Sue

was she was very serious,

but the things that were
coming out of her mouth

were so in conflict
with her appearance,

with her age,

you know, her matronly air,

that it was inherently comic.

You can use zucchini.

You can use cucumbers.

You can use candles.

All right.

Uh, you can, uh, use almost
any long, slender toy.

But honey, why don't you
just live dangerously

and buy a vibrator?

Her comfort around that
tension and contrast

allowed her audience to
relax and then enjoy

and then take it in.

So you slide this
over your penis.

You swing and sway your
way across the bedroom.

How could she resist?

I mean, come on.

She was just doing
a public service

and for the rest of us
it was just like magic.

We are watching magic right now

because nowhere else
are you ever gonna see

a woman in her seventies
pull out a dildo,

get her hands in position-

And then you grip
it with your hand

and you coordinate
head-hand movements.

And start showing you
how to give a blowjob.

I think the thing
that always got me

was how animated Mom was.

So what's the sense
of a great big penis?

Me woman!

I'm bringin' in an
airplane, 747.

Now, this toy is great.

Pulling stuff out of her bag.

It's called the Flex-A-Pleasure.

Got one!
There's a butt plug.

And he just tucks his
penis inside the opening.

Great clitoral stimulation.

Using her hands
and everything was like

all about circling and fingers.

And being a clown.

That works real good.

I think it's pretty
obvious by now

that I have a slightly
warped sense of humour.

But I do believe that sex
should be pleasurable

and yes, it should be fun too.

If you can't laugh at it,
you should not be doing it.

Well, Sue Johanson
really nails it.

If you can get them to laugh,

they will relax.

And when they relax,
they can let in the information.

Um, and it's really important
to help you to relax.

You have to relax
to have good sex.

You know, my takeaway from Sue

is that sex can definitely
be an expression of love,

but it can also just be
absolutely hilarious.

We have no control
over our bodies.

Sometimes things just happen.

And now Teri's calling in.

Hi, Teri?

Yeah, I was just wondering,

I know what a queef is,

but I don't know what causes
them or how to prevent them.

What causes what?

Like a vaginal fart.

Oh, queefing!

Queefing, oh, okay.

Vaginal farts.

You know, vaginal
farts are more fun.

Honestly, that's one
thing that we can do

that guys can't do,

And ours don't smell.

Why would you want to?

Oh no, it's wonderful fun.

Think of it now.

You're having intercourse, okay.

Penis thrusting in
vag*na, right?

The air's gotta go somewhere.

It's packin' air in there.

So you're having vigorous,
great sex.

Oh boy.

And all of a sudden she goes-

And you're so embarrassed.

Oh no, oh, I promise
it won't happen again.

Oh, I am so ashamed.

And then you continue,

you have more vigorous sex.

Yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes, yes, yes.

Yes, yes, yes, oh yes, oh yes.

I think talking about sex in
entertainment is the best way

to find an even playing
field for everyone.

You know what,
if you take a deep breath

you can blow him right
across the room.

No, just laugh.

And every time you laugh,
you'll fart.

They're called vaginal farts.

Have fun.
Laugh about it.

It's the funniest thing,

if every time he
thrusts in you go-

When you talk
about sex on stage, um,

you're making people
feel more comfortable

about possibly
some of the things

that they consider
in their own head

as weird fetishes
that they may have.

My husband has this thing

about wanting to watch
another man have sex with me.

Oh.

And I'm feeling like he may be,
you know, gay.

Mm-mm, no, no, no, no, no.

Uh, Tina, that's a fantasy.

He wants to use it as
a turn-on for himself.

You know, I've talked about
how I love women's feet

and, uh, you see,
you see some guys go, oh.

I get messages after
the show be like,

guys will DM me and be like,

"Hey man, thanks for
talking about that.

"I feel better about it."

I'm like, there you go, buddy.

It's just, it's hilarious.

Just laugh, just laugh.

I think
entertainment is everything

when it comes to sex education.

Sex is fun, it's interesting,

it's cool,

and the way that you talk
about it should mirror that.

It should be entertaining.

When you're having sex,
you should be entertained.

Like, we're not at
the place in society

where we need you to
procreate for us.

So, like, please don't have
sex for any other reason

other than it's fun.

So when we're talking about it,

we should have that same energy.

Yes, give it up
for Miss Delta Work!

Sue knew she was an entertainer

and she was an entertainer
from the beginning.

She loved an audience and
she loved hamming it up.

Oh, it's a dirty job but
somebody's gotta do it.

So every once in a while,
we just take time

and clean our
collection of sex toys.

And there you go,
clean as a whistle.

You could just
see that, you know,

if she could get a
reaction from somebody,

she was in her element.

And you know what,
it was massively successful.

Well, it's very
nice to meet you.

I have seen your show,
uh, several times,

and, uh, and I like it.

And I think what you're
doin' is-is fantastic.

Thank you.
- Now, first of all,

is your name Sue or Sue Jo?

Someone told me it's now Sue Jo.

In the United States
it's Sue Jo.

Sue Jo.

Because my real name
is Sue Johanson.

Okay, but-
- So they shortened it down

to Sue Jo.
- Like JLo.

Mm-hmm, oh yeah, me and JLo.

No.
- Yeah.

And we're off.

When I was
recognized in New York City,

that's when it
suddenly struck me.

Whoa, wait a minute!

What's going on here?

To get in a limo
and be driven there

and put up in a hotel
and flown back

and security and all that,
it was like,

oh my god, here we go.

Hi, Sue.

Hi, how are you?
- How are you?

Fine. You got lights out?

Oh yeah, we're always-

Everybody in Canada and
the US would know her and say,

"Hi, Sue, I love your show!"

Oh, I've seen you on TV.
- Oh.

And that's when
I kind of went, wow,

she really is famous.

Infamous would
probably be the word.

I must admit, it was nice.

You have many, many fans
here in Brazil, you know?

You are a celebrity.

That is wonderful.

I'd love to come down someday
and celebrate with you.

She had no airs about her,

so it's not like she was sitting
there thinking I'm a star.

I'm gonna be, like, the
sex therapist to the world.

It never changed
who she was on set

or how she behaved on set.

She didn't one day appear with
a fur stole around her neck

or a different attitude,

she was always Sue.

Oh, George.
- Different?

You make me twitch just
thinking about it,

and that ain't horny.

I could see my mom come alive,

whether the camera was on her,

or as soon as she
stepped out on stage,

or as soon as she walked
out in front of a

television audience or whatever,

all of a sudden she just,
she came alive.

This is called The Accommodator.

And it's worn over the chin.

The fame was nice.

Recognition on the street, yes.

Kids knowing who you were, yes.

Knowing that you were
doing a good job, yes.

Yep, there's no question,
it's an ego trip.

There's, I can't deny it.

So you're like-you're like a
perverted MacGyver, right?

That's pretty much-

Is flirting in a chat room
the same as cheating?

We'll look at the changes,
both good and the bad,

that technology is
making in our sex lives

and our relationships.

Later on,
calls about internet p*rn,

online dating, you know,

that sort of thing
became more common.

I readily admit

that I know very little
about this topic,

but luckily we have some
experts here who do.

Dan, you're in the front lines

with your column,
"Savage Love."

What is your sense of the topic?

Uh, my sense is that
a lot of people have

a false impression of
the impact of technology

on our sex lives.

If you ask people, you know,

has it been positive
or negative,

most of us have the impression
that it's been negative.

Technology, the internet,

internet p*rn, chat sites,

cheating facilitated by websites
designed to facilitate that,

you hear about that all the
time on shows like yours

'cause people call in
with their problems,

and in columns like mine.

But people who don't
have problems with it

don't speak up, don't complain.

In the early '90s,

before the internet came along,

I got a lot more questions
that were basically how-to.

What's a butt plug?

Uh, how do I fist?

Um, how do I perform this
sex act or that one safely?

And now everything has
its own Wiki page.

Butt plugs and fist
have their own Wiki pages.

So the how-to is
on the internet,

and it's a lot more extensive

than the how-to could be in
1,200 words in a print column.

Kegel exercises,
have you ever tried them?

No. What is that?

Okay, I want you to
go on my website

and, um, scroll through,
scroll through,

and there's all sorts
of information there.

People have a question they,

and there it is.

You Google it and it's
there before your very eyes,

unless you wanna pursue
it in other ways.

So many people can
be free to explore

and discover who they are,

how they identify
and what they like.

You know, so if you are
someone who has a foot fetish,

before the internet

you might not really be
able to explore that.

And now there's a
whole community

that you can speak with.

I think of all the people
with really niche sexual interests.

Like the example that
everyone always gives

are the furries.

Like these people, until
the internet came along,

were very isolated and didn't
have a sense of community

because it's a rare
sexual interest,

so it's very thinly spread.

And the internet
created a community

that made people feel connected.

There's so much
more available to everybody,

especially if they have
a particular interest

in a particular area of sex.

Ah, yeah, you don't have to
do a phone-in show so much.

Hm.

I hate the word virginity
and this is exactly why.

Content warning!

Younger people that are
coming up through a digital age,

where they have that access

and they have
platforms to speak,

they're-they're able
to offer their voice

in-in much more impactful
ways than ever before.

The word virginity implies
one very specific kind of sex.

And here's the deal,

we're not all having
that kind of sex.

There's a lot of
different kinds of sex

and they're all really cool.

The word virginity also implies

that you don't really have
much of a choice in the matter.

When it happens, it happens
and there's nothing you can do.

Well, let me just clear the air.

You did not lose your virginity
if you didn't want to

because, you know,

virginity is like a
social construct anyway.

Sue was and is a woman on
television talking about sex

and that is exactly
what I want to do.

I want to create a show,

albeit a little bit
differently than what Sue did,

but I want to create a show

that's, uh, putting
sex education out there

in an entertaining way,
to keep people,

to keep people entertained and
to educate at the same time.

Okay, so then give me an
alternative to virginity

you say and I answer.

Sexual debut!

Coined, or at least I heard
it from UCLA sexperts,

I think it's a
fantastic alternative

to the word virginity.

With a sexual debut,

you get to decide
what it looks like,

how it happened,

when it happened,

and exactly what
it means to you,

no expectations.

So we can all reclaim
the word virginity

and replace it with sexual debut

because it's
obviously way better.

If you have any
fun sexual debut,

put 'em in the comments
and as always,

stay safe!

So do you
feel like you, in a way,

have been replaced by,
you know, the digital-

Yes.
- Computer age?

Yes, yes.
- Yeah.

The sex lady is-is gone.

Thank you so much.

Good luck.
- I love your show.

I really do.
- Thank you very much.

Thank you.
- I love your show.

Oh, thank you!

Oh my god
and you're really great.

Thank you so much!

Oh, you're welcome, Vera.

Oh god, buh-bye.

Bye-bye.

That's a hard one.

Oh! No, she-she's gone,

there's no question about it

and she-she lived well

and did well and enjoyed it.

But she's finished.

Sue retired, I think,

because she realized she
couldn't keep up with the times.

The speed of technology,
of the internet,

the direction sex was going in,

um, sexual preference, sexual...

how you identified
yourself sexually,

diversity, um,

and, uh, all the options
that were out there,

she could not keep
the education up

and I think there were times
when she may have felt like,

oh, I think I may have given,
not incorrect information

but not as up to date.

Last week our show
received several emails

from folks who felt
that I implied

that bisexuals could not
commit to a relationship.

I'm very sorry,

that was not what I meant
and that was misunderstanding.

So, please accept my apologies.

She'd been really,
really busy for so, so long.

Here she was doing one
and then two live shows.

She was going to so many
universities and colleges

all over.

Yeah, but usually I
say bodacious tatas.

I mean, she used to
come into the meetings

and she would've
been in Red Deer

and then she would've
driven somewhere else

to do another
speaking engagement.

I have never had a question
about a fallopian tube.

She's not a fragile
flower that has to be taken care of.

She would just say, oh no,
that's okay, fine.

I'll fly into Calgary
and I'll rent a car

and I'll just drive five hours,

you know, and then
drive five hours back.

I was going flat out,

so, you know, you don't
get any more exposure

than radio and television
and personal appearances.

You don't get it.

You know, she was
a workhorse, man.

The driving and the
teaching, she started to get tired.

And who wouldn't?

Who can keep up with Sue?

I don't have particular
memories about that last show.

I do remember just
feeling really sad.

Crying, all we did was cry.

We honestly didn't believe
this would be the end.

We'd done the
show for a long, long time

and there was a sense
of gearing down,

people getting tired.

Yeah, it was 10, 11 years,

you know, thirty Sundays
out of the year.

You only have 52 Sundays

so more than half the
Sundays we were all together

and then, poof.

I think it was wise
of Sue to stop when she did.

And we were just all sad

that we weren't going
to be together.

I wore black for tonight's
show 'cause I'm in mourning.

This is Susie's swan
song for "Talk Sex."

There'll be a great
big hole in my heart.

I loved doing this show,

and it hurts leaving
my loving crew.

We've been together
for 14 years in total,

so we're kind of
joined at the hip.

It's, um, been a loving family.

Thanks to all of you
for all your skills,

devotion to making
"Talk Sex" a hit.

And the fat lady is not singing,

but she is signing
off television.

I'll close with the
same condom quickie

that we ended the
first show with

174 episodes ago.

Sorry.

Sex will be sweeter if
you wrap your peter.

And as the lights go
down for the last time,

it's goodbye to all
with thanks and love.

She was a mom to me but
then I think in the end,

she became a mom to everybody.

Yeah.

So I think Sue was very aware

that what she did was
making a difference.

Sue taught me what was possible

when it comes to
sex and sexuality.

Let's end this before
the police get here.

Sue Johanson, everybody.
We'll take a break.

Sue has made a career

out of being very
frank and very direct.

Sue Johanson, everybody.

I wanna say thanks to Sue,
not only for blazing a trail

that I have followed
as a sex educator,

but also for the ways that she
has made my sex life better.

She's made me feel
better and more accepting

about who I am as a person.

It's your life.
It's your body.

It's your sexuality.

You decide.

You know, I'm a
public facing sex educator,

like what does that even mean?

You're like, that's a job?

And that was the one
person you could point to,

to say, yeah, kinda
like Sue Johanson.

You got it?

- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.

Do we need another Sue Johanson

to represent everybody who
wants to learn about sex?

I don't think so.

You know, I think-I think it
needs to be myriad voices

all contributing to
the conversation.

I think there is danger in this
era if you go to one voice,

but back then,
that's how we listened.

Back then, that's
how we consumed.

Michael Jordan,

Oprah, right,

Joe Strummer,

"Sex with Sue."

Oh yes, it opened the door.

Oh yes, it did.

It made it okay to
talk about sex,

to talk about all
sorts of stuff.

And nobody bats an
eyelash anymore.

And I wasn't young.

I wasn't beautiful.

I didn't have bodacious tatas.

I was just a mother with
a load of information.

Oh yes, I'm very
proud of what I...

I pushed the line

as far and as fast as I could

and I got away with it.

I just wanted to
say that I love your show.

Oh, thank you.

My husband Ben and I

watch it every Sunday
just before, you know.

And he said that you
look very lovely tonight.

He's got good taste.

When does a male's
penis stop growing?

On the average
of about 16 years of age.

Well, I heard that it,

until age 21.

Maybe you're right.

Keep on hopin', honey.

My wife and I attended
a New Year's Eve party

and somebody actually
smoked a cigarette

through their vag*na.

Is that actually dangerous
for the person who did it?

Ah, you get nicotine
stains on your labia.

I have a slight heart condition

and I wondered if orgasms

could cause heart att*cks.

No, no.

What a wonderful way
to die though if you-

Well this is what I thought too.

Stop and think about it.

If you're going to
go quickly and fast

do it while you're
having an orgasm

because orgasms are
heavenly anyhow.