14x12 - Special Investigation: The Haunting of Flagstaff
Posted: 07/25/23 06:58
[Amy] He's writing out names
of the people he hates.
He does follow people home
and he makes people sick.
Every single person
that I have working with me
right now
has had something happen.
I'm just worried that it could
follow me home,
hurt someone I love...
[Amy] He can go anywhere
to anyone at any time.
Not good.
If you're okay with it,
maybe we expand
our investigation
and do another walk.
[Amy] I'm seeing skeletons.
They're stacked
on top of each other.
Body parts
were actually raining down
from the sky.
One of the things
that I saw him doing
-was actually eating
a human heart.
-[audience gasps]
[Amy] He still believes
that this is his town.
He wants it back.
He wants the person dead.
My name is Amy Allan.
[groans]
I see dead people.
I saw a winged creature.
I speak to dead people.
And they speak to me.
This person
feels like a monster.
But there's only one way
to know if my findings
are real.
They are sucking the life
out of these people.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
So how many bodies
are we talking?
And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
It's my job to reveal them.
But Steve and I never speak.
We never communicate
during an investigation.
Until the very end.
-You're not gonna like this.
-[gasps]
When we uncover
if it's safe for you
to stay...
I'm sorry.
I need to take a break.
...or time to get out.
It wants inside the house
'cause it wants to k*ll you.
[gasps]
[Steve] Amy and I got called
into Flagstaff
a couple of weeks ago
to help a business
that was struggling
with the paranormal.
Little did we know,
at the time,
that the entire freakin' town
was haunted.
So we decided to stay
and expand our investigation
and, for the first time,
try to help an entire city.
Tonight, you'll find out
what's really going on
in your town
and what you can do about it.
But first, we're gonna start
from the very beginning,
from when Amy and I
first got here.
[Steve] I got a desperate call
from a woman named Jessica
who runs a crystal shop
that's been in her family
for three generations.
But now, she's scared.
Scared for her employees,
her customers and herself.
It's gotten really bad.
Every single one
of my employees has a story.
I'm afraid that everything
is gonna get worse.
[Steve] Now she told me
activities have gotten so bad,
if we can't help,
she may have
to shut the place down.
I hope Amy and I
can figure out how to fix it.
[car door opens]
[Amy] I see this dead woman.
She is wearing a bride's dress
and a long veil.
We start holding hands.
And then she jumps up
on my back and she gets
all [bleep] evil looking
and then I'm like, oh, damn.
I'm like, she's [bleep]
with people.
So she's not all good.
So Jessica,
this is a really nice shop
you've got here
and great little town.
Um, what the hell's going on?
You didn't sound good
on the phone when we spoke.
We've just been having
way too many things happening.
And now, my staff is scared.
So I can imagine
you're probably worried
about your customers as well.
Absolutely. There's a lot
of very fragile, sharp things
in this store.
So I'm definitely worried
about their safety too.
All your employees
having experiences
or is it just you?
Every single person
that I have working for me
right now
has had something happen.
What part of the store
is the worst
for your employees
and yourself?
I'd definitely say
it's the basement.
-[Steve] Okay.
-[Jessica] It always feels
really creepy down there.
There is a series of tunnels
that, kind of, connects
all of downtown...
-Really?
-...that also connects
to our basement.
-[Steve] Tunnels?
-Mmm-hmm.
That's interesting.
That's something
I'm gonna look into.
All right, so let's start
with basics.
How long
have you owned the shop?
It's been in my family
for years.
I was raised in the store,
raised with this business.
So, um, it's part of who I am.
You know,
I have two young kids.
I want them to feel
like they're safe in here
as well.
Okay.
So, if you can, give me a list
of what you guys
are experiencing.
Footsteps and voices,
we have things
flying off the shelf.
We always feel
like we're being watched.
And we're seeing apparitions.
Are you having experiences
any place else but the shop?
I have experiences
pretty much everywhere
in Flagstaff.
[Steve] Okay,
that's interesting.
Have you ever tried
to bring somebody in
to try to get rid
of what's here?
No, but I do
some of my own things.
-Like what?
-Every single time
I walk in that door,
I kind of say out
into the space,
"Please leave me alone."
I also do some smudging
with white sage.
Has the smudging
and you talking
out loud helped?
-No.
-What are you hoping
we can do for you?
I really wanna know
what's here,
why they're here,
and essentially,
how to either get rid of them
or, at least, appease them
so that they aren't harassing
my staff on a daily basis.
[Amy] I'm seeing
this flat looking shadow guy.
He's extremely tall,
very wide.
He's got a hat
and a suit, very flat...
...flat against a wall,
a wall shadow.
And he truly, absolutely feels
he's untouchable.
He came and took everything
from everyone.
He hurt and harmed so many,
I think people have been
trying to get rid of him
for a long time.
And ain't nothing worked.
He's, like, kind of losing
his humanity at this point.
This is strange.
I see him eating something.
He's eating a [scoffs]
a human heart
and it was, apparently,
Native American.
He can go anywhere,
to any one, at any time.
Not good.
[train whistle blows]
[Steve] What's going on here?
-Well, our basement
is right back there.
-[Steve] Okay.
[Jessica] And it's where
most of us see apparitions
or shadow figures.
The shadow figures,
can you describe
what it looks like?
It doesn't really
have any shape.
-Okay.
-It just looks
like something black
and moving at my...
In my peripheral vision.
Do you have any windows
in the basement
from the outside?
-No.
-All right. So nobody can be
casting a shadow from outside?
-No.
-Okay. So, anything else?
Sometimes, merchandise
just flies off the shelf.
So, I gotta ask you,
I felt when those trains
went by here,
it's right across the street.
-[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
-[Steve] Is it possible
the train's causing
some of the stuff to fall off?
No, I mean,
this building is old and it...
But it doesn't shake
when the trains go by.
Okay, so anything else?
I never get migraines, ever.
And, um, when I've been
coming into the store
these last couple of days,
it's just been
these pulsing migraines
that don't go away
unless I leave the building.
[Steve] Interesting, okay.
What are you hoping
you can get
out of this investigation?
It's a family business.
This business
means the world to me,
to my parents
and I really would love
to be able to pass
this business on to my kids.
And that I feel safe
to pass it on to them,
so that we can continue this
for as many generations
as we can do it.
[Amy] There's a guy.
He seems to be recent.
And so I think
that he used to work here.
He's very, like, ADHD.
He's kind of like
all over the [bleep] place.
He's making my head hurt, too.
I'm getting, like,
really sharp head pain
um, with him.
Uh, and I think the living,
they could get headaches
in this area.
And also, uh, they become
very scattered up in this area
like, they couldn't...
Can't focus, can't keep track
of their thoughts.
People would get very,
very drained around town.
He does do a lot
of physical stuff in here.
He's, like, in the stuff.
He's, like, messing
with things.
It's almost like
he's trying to, like,
interact with people.
They might feel, like, pats
or pressure on their backs,
shoulders, arms...
...which, I guess,
would freak them out.
[Steve] So, Brittany, how long
have you been working here?
On and off
for the past three years.
I was talking to Jessica
and it sounds
like you guys have
a paranormal problem here.
-You agree with that?
-I would agree with that.
I feel like it's gotten worse,
over the years.
So are there experiences
you could tell me about?
Yeah. I came in to open
one morning
and there was journals
thrown across the floor
off of one of the shelves.
-[Steve] Okay.
-I do have a picture of that,
actually.
[Steve] Looking at that photo,
it seems pretty aggressive.
What do you think happened?
I feel as though
there is a ghost here
that is a man.
-Okay.
-Um, and I think
that he is the one
that throws things
off the shelf.
All right. What else
can you tell me?
The faucet turns on
in the bathroom on its own.
Is it possible
that maybe a co-worker
just left it on by accident,
-'cause I do it all the time.
-[Brittany] I don't think so.
I've never had
any of the girls
leave the faucet on.
Does it freak you out?
It scares me, yeah.
Okay.
[Amy whispering] Okay.
The flat dude,
I see him bothering people
around the bathroom.
I'm, like, seeing, uh, women
use, uh, the restroom.
Very creepy.
I don't know how
they're experiencing this.
Uh, like, I don't know
if they're seeing
the shadow figure,
or if they're feeling anything
on them?
Like, I'm hearing
the women, like,
"Get out of here!
Get out of here!
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone.
Get out of here!
Leave me alone."
She's very angry.
I see her hitting her legs
and then she's saying,
"Get out of here!
Get out of here!
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone."
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Jordan,
I was talking to Jessica,
who owns the place,
and she was saying
the staff
were pretty scared
about the stuff
that's going on here.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's definitely been kind of
an eerie place to work.
We've all had experiences.
So she mentioned this basement
in particular.
Yeah. The basement is
kind of where the most of us
don't wanna be.
Okay, so can you tell me
about some of the experiences
you've had?
So, the other day
I was vacuuming.
And I went to go forward
and, all of a sudden,
I was stuck in place
like someone was holding it
from behind me.
Can you show me
how tough it was for you to...
All right, so,
give me your arm.
Oh! Okay,
so it was pretty strong.
It was significantly, like,
not moving.
Sometimes the brush
on the vacuum can get stuck
on the fibers
in the rug,
was that what happened
with the...
Well, we do have carpet,
but I was doing the wood
at this time.
-[Steve] Okay, so--
-So it wasn't getting stuck.
Okay. So anything else?
[Jordan] When I was down here,
um, I saw, like,
a reflection of, like,
a shadow behind me.
It felt very, like,
engulfing, like,
just all around me.
All right. You must have
crapped yourself, I mean--
I was terrified
when that happened.
What do you think
whatever's here wants?
It wants its space back.
It wants, maybe even,
like, revenge.
-It just--
-[Steve] Hmm.
-We're not welcome here
by that particular spirit.
-[Steve] Okay.
[Amy] I don't wanna
go down there.
Okay. I don't honestly know
why I'm hesitant.
I just felt a press.
I don't like it, though,
I don't like it.
The flat looking shadow guy
hates when people
come down here.
He's malignant. He tries to...
...cause problems.
Anybody he doesn't like,
he tries to take them down.
He can push people.
And he's like, pushing people
the [bleep] out of here.
When he's in this area,
he likes to hang out
down here.
And he, like, plots and plans.
He's writing out names
of people he hates,
people he wants to do harm to,
that's what he does,
he does that wide circle,
a little wide circle.
And I think this might be
one of the [bleep] places.
So Adalyn, Jessica was saying
there's a lot of paranormal
activity in the shop.
-Now, do you agree with that?
-Yes.
-For sure.
-Okay.
-So you've had experiences,
obviously, right?
-Mmm-hmm.
I just feel watched
all the time.
How does it feel to you,
what kind of feeling is it?
It's just like
someone is boring their eyes
into the back of your head.
Feels like someone
wants me to know
that they're there.
-Okay. Is it intimidating
for you?
-[Adalyn] Yes.
It's very scary
and makes me
not want to be down here.
All right, so is there
anything else?
Awful feeling of sickness
that I get
when I'm down here.
All right.
Describe the feeling for me.
Where my heart
drops to my stomach,
it's dread, it makes me
feel like I'm gonna throw up.
So there's a lot of activity
in this place.
Uh, do you think it's possible
somebody can get hurt
from it?
I would just worry
that if the spirit
did get angry,
that it could follow me home,
hurt someone I love,
or just get mad enough
to the point
where things get ugly.
Okay.
The flat looking shadow guy
did feel like,
uh, that people had seen him.
You know, 'cause
when he's in the shadow form,
he's this big guy.
He don't wanna be bothered.
And he does get
all [bleep] psycho.
I think he goes to other
[bleep] places that he thinks
he [bleep] owns.
He does follow people home.
And he makes people sick.
And he will go home with them.
He will make them sicker
and sicker and sicker.
I don't feel good. [gasps]
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Jessica's business
is in an older building.
Figured there had
to be some history to it.
Turns out,
one of the original owners
was a controversial guy.
I'm heading over
to meet a local professor
who tells me he lived fast,
d*ed young,
and made a lot of money
and enemies along the way.
[Steve] Well, Professor,
thanks for helping me out
with this case.
I appreciate it.
Let's start at the top.
What do we know
about this guy?
So his name is James Vail.
And he came here from Ohio
in the early s.
He was just in his twenties
and he ends up
becoming a bartender
at the saloon that's located
right on the same premises
as your client's business.
So it was a saloon
at one point
and he worked there.
Exactly.
So now, you mentioned
on the phone, Professor,
this kid made a lot of money,
um, how'd he do that
bartending?
Well, James Vail took a gamble
and he bought the saloon.
And that went really well
for a while
until a big tragedy broke out
across the town.
Okay, so the tragedy.
What happened?
So, in ,
there was a huge fire
across Flagstaff,
and so many of the buildings
were made out of wood.
And a lot of them b*rned down.
And James Vail's salon
was one of them.
-Okay.
-But he didn't give up.
And so he rebuilt the salon
out of brick.
You can see it right here.
[Steve] The building looks
a little different now.
[Karen] Right,
so some of the bricks
were stuccoed over
in the s.
-But it's original bricks
still?
-Exactly.
Wow. Okay.
[Amy] I saw some fire.
I think it's residual,
this place.
It was much, much smaller.
Some kind of like store,
way back in the day.
So, in this area
I'm feeling, like,
a lot of this panic.
I'm feeling...
I'm hearing people yelling.
And then I'm seeing,
like, the walls closing in.
All right, so this James Vail
kid, rebuilds his business
after this tragic fire.
How does it go after that?
He does a lot better
after he adds a brothel
to the saloon as well.
-Okay.
-I'm sure that didn't
go over well
with some of the conservative
folks in town.
But he does really well.
He makes a lot of money,
and is able to buy
a lot of real estate
around town,
including a cattle ranch.
So now he's got a ranch,
and the bar,
and the whorehouse. Okay.
So, now Professor,
you told me on the phone,
this kid d*ed young.
I mean, what happened?
Things start to go
really bad in .
He's out on his ranch,
during the summer.
He's in a wagon.
And he gets thrown
from the wagon
by his horses.
He hits the ground,
breaks his leg.
And so he's able
to keep the leg,
but he is permanently disabled
in a lot of pain.
All right, so he's got this
bad injury and he's disabled,
-but that's not what
k*lled him, right?
-That's right.
On April rd, ,
he goes downtown,
-buys a . revolver,
buys some b*ll*ts...
-[Steve] Okay.
...returns back to his ranch.
And just before high noon,
a sh*t rings out.
And they find James Vail dead,
with a b*llet hole
in the head.
He was just years old.
[Steve]
Why would he k*ll himself?
I think the pain
was just too much for him.
And I don't think
he saw a way out.
Well, you know, when it comes
to su1c1de,
nobody knows what's going
through people's heads.
[Amy] This flat looking
shadow guy is down here
a lot.
[man speaking]
Something like Jack.
I think this guy
owned a lot around here.
And I think he did
really bad [bleep].
I think, this might have been
one of the places he owned.
Or land he owned originally.
And I think, he thinks
he still does.
He wants it back.
[Steve] So far I have a client
who's worried sick
over the safety
of her employees
and customers,
on a property that was once
owned by a shady businessman,
who committed su1c1de.
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
Searching through old records,
I find out Jessica was right.
There really are tunnels
running beneath downtown
Flagstaff.
In fact, they run right
underneath her shop.
I'm heading over
to meet a woman who made
a documentary about them.
[Nikki] These tunnels
are used as infrastructure
for the city.
[Steve] She tells me
there were a lot of rumors
and myths about these tunnels.
And she wants to set
the record straight.
[Steve]
So, Nikki thanks for helping
me out in my investigation.
These tunnels.
I mean, what's the story
with them?
They run throughout
the downtown area,
here in Flagstaff.
-[Steve] Okay.
-And they connect several
businesses to one another.
All right.
So, when were they built?
They were built actually
in the late s.
Some of the tunnels
were used as dean tunnels.
They were only
about to . feet wide.
And the steam would then heat
the businesses downtown.
Okay. So now, what were
the other tunnels used for?
This is actually where
it gets a little bit
interesting
because some of the tunnels
were used as passageways.
So you could get
from one business
to the other.
But there are actually
a lot of rumors around town
of what actually went
on down there.
Okay, now you've piqued
my interest. Like what?
There was actually a rumor
of some illegal card games.
And any time the police
would come to raid it,
the owner would push
a button, and they would
escape.
Okay. So, any evidence
of that?
That's really just
a local myth, so there's
absolutely no evidence.
All right, so these bigger
tunnels, are they being
used at all?
In the 's,
Flagstaff actually did
a renovation
of the downtown area,
-which meant they sealed up
a lot of the tunnels.
-Okay.
[Nikki] But some of them
are actually still used today
for utility purposes.
All right, so what
are the chances
I can get down
and may see these tunnels.
[Nikki] You actually can't
get down there anymore.
It's actually pretty unsafe,
so I wouldn't recommend
going down there.
[Steve]
Okay, which makes sense.
Well, I appreciate you
helping me because now
I can tell facts from fiction
when it comes
to these tunnels.
[Amy] The flat shadow guy
is not alone down here.
There's a really weird looking
thing with him.
This is like they come
and go through here.
They come and go
through here. Okay, okay.
There's, like, walkways
or something.
So there's somewhere
they go there.
There's somewhere they
go there.
[sighs in exasperation]
There's a lot
going on down here.
I'm also seeing...
I am seeing bodies.
I'm seeing skeletons. Okay.
And they're, like, stacked.
They're stacked
on top of each other.
I'm, like, scared.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Word got out
that we're investigating
Jessica's crystal shop.
Ever since then,
my phone's been blowing up.
A bunch of locals
are begging to meet
with me.
I've told them to meet me
at a local bar,
so they could tell me
what the hell's
going on in this town.
[indistinct conversation]
I own Victorian Moon
Antiques, uh, here
in downtown Flagstaff.
So I know you wanted
to talk to me
about some of the paranormal
stuff that's been going on.
Yeah. I see shadow figures
all the time.
So where are you seeing
these shadow figures?
I see them at my shop.
I see them at home.
I see them around town.
[Steve] The next thing I knew,
more and more people started
telling me they're seeing
things they can't explain.
I'm a bartender
in one of the breweries
here in town.
So what are you experiencing?
I'm seeing shadow figures
around town.
You getting any kind of vibe
off these shadow figures
you're seeing?
Um, well, it makes me anxious.
A little nervous.
Feels like there could be
some bad intent behind it.
[Steve] Now, seeing
shadow figures is one thing.
I get that a lot.
But what this local saw,
really surprised me.
I was in the basement
of the Downtown Diner.
And I saw a head.
-[Steve] Just a head?
-[woman] Just a head.
And it was just
kind of like a floating head?
Yeah. It didn't have anybody.
It had very, like,
pale-ish skin, had very long
dark hair, very big head.
And to me, it just had
a very eerie, whole presence
to its face.
So when you saw
this large head,
I mean, did you freeze
or what'd you do?
I looked at it
and I just ran away.
I ran right out of the diner.
I freaked out.
Okay.
[Amy] That strange looking
thing from the basement
goes all over town.
I'm trying to follow it.
It's telling me
it's here to help.
But I don't know
if I believe it.
[Matthew] Are people seeing
this any way?
[Amy] It can change
into any form
and has been mistaken
for other things.
And then, people are
freaking out.
A lot of panic.
[Steve]
I spent the whole night
at the bar,
with one local after another
coming by to tell
their bizarre stories.
[woman] I was at work once.
And the bathroom door
opened and slammed
just completely on its own.
So it really freaked me out.
[Steve] The more I heard,
the more concerned I got.
I run a tour company in town.
Ten years ago, I was spending
the night at one
of the hotels downtown,
and I woke up in the middle
of the night feeling
like I was being choked.
I was just gasping for air,
and I don't have asthma
or anything and I just
could not breathe.
Did you think
whatever it was,
was trying to k*ll you?
You know, I did.
[Steve] One thing is clear
to me.
Just about everyone
in Flagstaff is having
experiences.
And they're relieved
to finally get a chance
to talk about it.
I work at the local theater.
So you have experience
you wanna tell me about.
Uh, what do you have?
There's a dark energy
at the theater,
in the basement.
So, can you describe
this feeling for me?
Just feels angry,
like we're not wanted there.
So, with all the activity
that's going on
in town, do you think
somebody can get hurt?
I do.
[Amy] So that thing...
He says he comes in here
and he's helping people.
Oh, he's helping people
with the past, the present,
what's going on now.
What kind of time frame
are we talking about?
It says it's been here
forever.
It's not from the Earth.
Initially, when I saw it,
it was outside in the stars.
You know, I think
it's pretty immense.
-So, it's not just here.
-No, God no.
So does this thing operate
on a global scale?
[Amy] No. Just Flagstaff.
Mm-mm, no. It's this...
It's this area.
For sure, yeah.
[Steve] We were called in
to investigate activity
at a small family-run shop.
But it sounds to me
like the whole freaking town
is haunted.
So I don't like doing it,
but I've gotta break
the rules this time.
[Steve] Hey, thanks
for meeting with me.
I appreciate it.
So, [exhales sharply]
you know I haven't broken
protocol in years.
But we came to do
this one location
and people are coming
up to me one after the other
after the other,
telling me how
there's activity
throughout the whole downtown.
Yeah, I did get two things
that might be affecting
-the entire town.
-Really?
-[Amy] Yeah.
-So, I'm thinking,
if you're okay with it,
maybe we expand
our investigation
and do another walk.
-Okay.
-You down with that?
-Yeah. I'm absolutely open
to doing that.
-[Steve] All right. Cool.
Just be careful
'cause it sounds like
the whole freaking place
is haunted.
And you never know
what you're gonna
come up against.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] As soon as Amy and I
decide to expand
our investigation,
I got a call from a guy
who works at the Flagstaff
Visitor Center.
He heard I had been talking
to the locals
about the paranormal activity,
and said I have no idea
just how bad things are.
[Steve] So, Joshua,
when we spoke
on the phone,
you sounded pretty adamant
about talking to me.
Uh, what the hell's going on?
We're getting all kinds
of stories,
uh, from all the different
locations that we send
our visitors out to.
And some people are afraid
to work in certain places.
Some people may be afraid
to come visit us.
I hope you can figure out
what's here,
and what we can do
to keep everybody safe.
Have you had experiences
in town?
I have had, uh,
many experiences
here in town.
-You have?
-I have.
At the Visitor Center, uh,
we have a basement
and an attic.
It always feels like
someone's watching you.
Okay, so anything else?
We had a employee
at the Visitor Center
report getting locked
in the basement.
So what do you think
happened with this lock?
I've myself many times
have tried to debunk
how it would lock
from the inside.
And that door does not lock
from the inside.
I believe something
was holding the door closed.
It scared me pretty good.
[Steve]
It seems this entire town
is haunted.
Is there any other place
in town that sounds good
to check out?
A lot of stories, uh,
out of the Orpheum Theater.
[Steve] What are you hoping
we can do for you?
When people come here
and visit, we want them
to be safe.
You know, we really wanna
make sure that when
our guests come,
that we can send them out
to these places,
and there's nothing
that's going to attach
to them or go home with them.
[car door opens]
[Amy] I saw two things
on my first walk
that I believe are affecting
the entire town.
Tonight, I'm going to see
if that's really the case.
The same alien thing
that I got on my first walk,
showed up covered in leaves.
The flat looking shadow guy
is out here too.
[Matthew] What exactly
does he want?
He wants his places back.
[Matthew] What does that mean
to the living?
That he tries to get them out.
[Matthew] So he wants to get
everything back
that he had loaned?
Yes.
[Steve] Well, Susan.
Thanks for meeting with me.
I appreciate that.
So, [exhales sharply]
this is a really cool venue
you have here.
How old is this building?
-So, it was built
in .
-Wow.
-Okay.
-Operated
as a cinematic house.
And then,
in the winter of ,
due to a huge snowstorm,
the whole roof collapsed,
destroyed the building.
And so it had to be rebuilt
in .
So, I'm investigating
paranormal activity
throughout the whole downtown
area here.
Spoke to Joshua, and he said
you guys are having issues
as well. Is that true?
That is correct, yes.
Are there any experiences
you could tell me about?
Yeah, um, I tend to see
shadowy figures
from time to time.
I would see them
up in the curtains, and then
up into the balcony.
Okay, what do they look like?
They look human-like,
but more kind of shadowy
and moving quickly.
[Steve] Okay,
so anything else?
Sometimes, these lights
up in the truss would come on.
-[Steve] By themselves?
-[Susan] Yes.
Do you think somebody
broke in?
No [sighs]
because nobody would have
known how to turn them on.
-Okay.
-It's run through our
computerized lighting tracks.
So, it seems everywhere I go,
everybody's had
an experience.
-I mean, it sounds like
the whole town is haunted.
-Mmm-hmm.
-Do you think so?
-I definitely do.
I mean it has a long history,
and I've have heard
a lot of stories as well.
So I do think the town
has a haunted history
and culture.
[Amy] I'm seeing that woman
who's dressed
like a bride again.
Okay, so apparently
she spends a lot of time here.
So I'm getting
that she causes
a lot of problems
with people on the stage.
She... She... She... She...
She's very upset.
She does a lot
of bad things here.
She, uh, is climbing
on their backs.
I wonder, if they feel her,
uh... Literally a weight,
uh, uh, on their shoulders.
All of a sudden, feeling like
something really heavy
slammed onto them.
She can affect,
uh, electricity,
and she'll do it
on purpose to [bleeping] up.
I think if people see her,
they see her white,
misty [bleep]
and all this kind of stuff.
She kind of wants this
all to herself. ::. --] ::. align:right line:.%
[Steve] I understand
you used to work here.
I worked in the concession
stand at the front
of the building.
So I was talking to Susan,
that runs the place,
uh, and she thinks there's
a lot of activity here,
do you agree with that?
I do. I've definitely known
a lot of people who've had
some kind of experience here.
-Okay. And you as well?
-Me too. Yes.
I was about six months
pregnant, when I was working
here about years ago.
-[Steve] Okay.
-And I was moving, um,
some stuff
from one end of the building
to the other.
And something pushed me
from behind into a table.
Please tell me
you didn't get hurt.
I mean it hurt
when it happened,
but nothing happened
to, you know, my daughter
was fine.
-Everything was good? Okay.
-[Lisa] Yes.
-Hey, do me a favor and
show me how hard the push was.
-[Lisa] Okay.
-[Steve] Oh! Okay.
-[Lisa] Sorry.
When this happened,
what'd you do?
I ran outside
and started crying.
It felt like something
was trying to hurt me.
-So that was pretty
frightening for you.
-Yes.
Okay. Anything else?
Yeah, about a year and a half
ago, I came here
to see a show.
-Okay.
-My friend and I
were able to go backstage.
And as soon
as we got back there,
I had this feeling of,
we need to get out of here
like impending doom.
As soon as we left,
I felt fine.
-Obviously, you feel there's
paranormal activity here?
-Yes.
I think
the whole town's haunted.
How do you feel?
I agree with you %.
And in that time I've seen
people, good people,
do bad things.
So, what you're saying is
that the paranormal
in this town is actually...
-Could influence people?
-Yes, to do, like,
evil things.
Okay.
[Amy] Boo.
There's some good
dude up in here.
Wow, he's pissed, okay.
Ooh, Lordy.
With him and the living,
that's not a great thing.
They're feeling very anxious,
and very panicked.
Uh, but this is his anger,
this is how
they're interpreting
the anger.
I think people see him,
but it's just shadows
they hear.
Male shadow figure,
pretty big though.
He blows himself up,
so he gets really big.
Also, you can't breathe
around him.
Uh, that's something
with his death,
uh, when he was dying,
he couldn't breathe, [gasps].
He's like [gasps].
[exhales]
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Sam,
thanks for meeting
with me, I appreciate it.
From what I understand,
your hotel has activity here.
Uh, but before we get to that,
this is a beautiful spot.
You are the owner, right?
[Sam] Right, my husband
and myself.
I'm assuming you know
some history about the place.
What can you tell me?
It was built
by John Weatherford,
as a general store in ,
and then he turned it
into a hotel in .
John Weatherford also built
the Orpheum Theater
next door.
So, I just came from this,
this guy had a real mark
on this town.
Yeah.
So, let's get
to the paranormal.
Have you had any experiences?
I have.
A gentleman stayed
with us once, uh, and wrote me
and said that the...
He got up in the morning,
looked through the window
of the ballroom, and he saw
a waif-like,
female type character
float across the room.
Now, did you question the guy,
if it could have been
maybe a hotel guest
-or something like that?
-I did, I wrote him back.
-[Steve] Okay
-And it was too early
in the morning.
It couldn't even have been
the housekeeping.
Okay, any other guest
experiences you could
tell me about?
Yes, a former employee
uh, that stayed with us,
said she woke up in the middle
of the night and had a couple
sitting on her bed.
It startled her,
and before she knew it,
they got up and they walked
through the door.
-Through the door?
-Through the door.
I mean, I'm a pretty
hardcore guy,
I think that would scare
the [bleep] out of me.
[Amy] There are a lot
of dead here.
I'm seeing this guy
playing the piano.
He was showing me a girl,
uh, that would hang out
with him
when he would play the piano.
So, they may hear
females talking.
Like I'm just getting flashes
of them.
So, possibly people
would see like that,
these flashes, like,
of these women.
So, Chelsea, I understand, uh,
you're the general
manager here.
-I am.
-From what I've heard,
this place is kind of haunted.
Yeah, actually, growing up
in this building,
there were two dead people
I saw all the time.
Tell me about the first one.
Well, there's a girl
by the name of Matilda,
that I used to play with
all the time, upstairs.
Okay, was she nice to you?
Did you guys get along?
She was.
She was, um, a very light
presence, very kind.
-So, what about the other one?
-His name was Algernon.
And, he lived in the basement.
He had a bit of a dark
presence to him,
almost evil.
I knew there was something
bad about him.
Did they move on, you think?
No,
they're definitely still here.
Why do you say that?
[Chelsea] Right when we are
re-opening the Gopher Hole,
we were doing a lot
of construction down there.
-[Steve] Okay.
-And we might have upset him.
I was shining a glass
and, uh, another one sh*t off
the drink rack and hit
a mirror right behind me,
and I knew that was him.
This glass was directed
at you?
Right past my face.
So, did anything else
like that ever happen?
-Actually, there is a bottle
in this actual room.
-Okay.
Right up there
and it fell off the top
of that ledge.
Did you see it fall?
From, uh, security cameras,
after the fact.
You have that available for me
to look at?
[Chelsea] I actually do.
Oh! Jeez.
Ooh, you're lucky somebody
wasn't standing there.
Let me ask you a question.
Anybody else you think
I should talk to about,
what's going on here?
Well, you could talk to Nancy,
down the street at the diner.
-And she's the owner?
-[Chelsea] She is.
-Okay.
-Mmm-hmm.
From what I could tell during
my investigations,
it seems like this whole town
is haunted, do you agree
with that?
I definitely do.
I mean, it's the Wild West.
-[Steve] Yeah.
-There's a lot of history here
in Flagstaff.
[Amy] There's one male,
uh, who's here often.
I think he was, like,
some kind of manager, maybe,
like the...
...s or 's?
I think people see him
because I think
he does stuff.
I feel like he tries
to guide people.
Tries to influence
their actions,
if they work here.
So, I think, like, maybe
he might influence people
to, like,
you know, clean that table.
But if they don't do
what he wants,
he can lash out.
Uh, so, that's interesting.
So, Nancy, I got
to tell you this is a great
old-school diner.
You know, it reminds me of me
growing up in Brooklyn,
it just, has that look to it,
and the feel.
Um, how long have you owned
the place?
My family's had it
for over years.
How important
is this place to you?
It's everything to me,
it's part of my family.
Chelsea at the hotel says
you have paranormal
activity here.
Yes. Mmm-hmm.
So, do me a favor
and tell me about what
you're experiencing.
Well, one of the first things
that happened,
I was in the basement
and there was
someone sweeping.
And, I could see
the full motion of it.
[Steve] Okay, so
an apparition, I assume?
Absolutely,
because when I turned around
-thinking I was going to talk
to a coworker...
-[Steve] Right.
...there was no one there.
Is there anything else?
I was rolling silverware
right there.
Nobody near me.
And I felt, on my shoulder...
...two taps.
And I looked and I looked
and I literally
turned a circle
because I could not...
I have goosebumps.
I couldn't...
There was nobody there.
-So that freaked you out,
I can tell.
-[Nancy] Oh, yes.
-And, it couldn't have been
drops of heavy water coming...
-[laughing] No.
-[Steve] Okay.
-No. No.
And, that's why I tapped you.
I was tapped.
So, if something
could do that,
what else could it do?
[Nancy] Exactly.
It kind of made me realize
that there's a lot more here
than I knew.
[Amy] That thing is here.
-That thing and that man.
-[Matthew] What're
you talking about?
[Allan] The alien thing
and the other dude.
The flat-looking shadow guy.
Okay, they're trying
to pull me outside.
Okay, okay.
It's all about them.
I'm seeing another
dead person in here.
He's a big guy.
Uh, so, I guess
his name is Bill?
I kind of feel, like,
at some point he owned
this place.
He'll come up and start
talking to people.
Living people.
He does tend
to move things about.
Ah, he's pretty good at that.
So, that's not good.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] This is the first time
we've investigated
an entire town.
Obviously, I'm not going
to be able
to find out everything
that's ever happened here.
So, I thought I'd start
by getting an overview
of Flagstaff's history.
I'm meeting a local historian
who told me the city has
always been plagued
by tragedy and bloodshed.
[Steve] So, Dre thanks
for coming out and meeting
with me, I appreciate that.
And, this is Arizona,
we all got to assume
Native American history
is pretty big here.
Absolutely.
So, let me ask you a question,
when did the white settlers
get here?
'Round s is when, uh,
those settlers started kind of
coming into the region.
Okay, so obviously the tribes
get driven out. What happened?
So, from about to ,
uh, that year period
becomes what's known
as the Yavapai Wars.
And, that's the US Army coming
in and kicking out most
of the Native tribes here.
Uh, relocating them,
making room for white settlers
to come in.
Okay, so it had
to be pretty brutal, I assume.
Ultimately, in ,
February th,
becomes what's known
as Exodus Day.
And, uh, that begins
the Apache Trail of Tears
where they force out
around Native peoples,
marching them miles
across a winter desert.
Uh, b*ating them
with whips, with chains,
they don't wanna go,
they leave 'em to die
on the side of the road.
So basically
it's a death march.
So, how many d*ed out of that
and change?
-Roughly people lost
their lives in that.
-Wow.
That's like almost
a third, right?
Jeez.
Around there.
[Amy] I am seeing one,
single Native American male.
He has one feather.
And behind him,
are all shadow figures.
He indicates
that they're all women
and children.
He says they're buried
in the ground.
He says we need help.
[Steve] Okay, so now
the Native Americans
are forced out.
What happens next?
So, around , settlers
start coming to the area.
But the town would
never really flourish
until the railway
was actually established.
Uh, just cutting right
through the middle of town
in the early s.
But that, came at a cost
of its own.
Okay, so what do you mean
by that?
Well, you know, many different
accidents happened.
The worst happened
in the summer of ,
when, uh, some blasting powder
actually went off prematurely.
Okay, so, how bad
was this blast?
According to the article,
actually, I have here,
seven people d*ed
and three people were maimed.
Uh, they say that body parts
were actually raining down
from the sky
when that happened.
[Steve] So, when you said
on the phone
that this town is plagued
with bloodshed and tragedy,
you weren't kidding.
Unfortunately, not.
Okay.
[Amy] I don't like this.
There's a bunch of men
down there and they're...
...in a lot of pain.
Damn, man, there's gotta
be at least of 'em.
They're laborers.
They're hurting.
, .
I think that the, uh,
living might have experiences
with them.
I think if they're around
in that area, they might
feel a lot of the pain.
[Steve] Just about
any city's gonna
have its share of murders.
But it turns out
that Flagstaff has a really
violent past.
I'm on my way to meet
a local true crime author
who says she can prove
it to me.
[Steve] Now, Susan,
you mentioned on the phone
that you wrote a book
about some homicides in town.
Tell me about that.
That was one
of the saddest chapters
in Flagstaff's history.
.
Happened just down the street
from the Orpheum.
[Steve] So, I did
a lot of interviews
there yesterday.
People having a lot
of problems
with the paranormal activity.
-Hmm.
-So, who are the players
in this m*rder?
That would have been
the Walkup family.
Um, Marie Walkup, -year-old
mother of four children.
-Okay.
-And her husband, JD Walkup,
a politician
and a man-about-town.
Okay, so what happened?
It was July , ,
JD was down in Phoenix.
Sometime that night,
Marie Walkup went
to the bedrooms
of her children,
taking an icepick and stabbed
each one in the heart,
and then strangled them.
-Oh.
-After that, she washed
their bodies
and put them back in bed
and pulled the covers up
to their chins.
How old were these kids?
Well, here are
their death certificates.
Daniel was , Rose was seven.
John was four and a half,
and Elizabeth
was about months.
All right, any idea what would
cause her to do this?
Well, everybody
has a different theory.
Does seem like she might have
had some depression.
She was isolated.
Her husband was gone
quite a bit of the time
and she had four children.
And sometime that night,
Marie Walkup sat in her house,
and took a pen to paper
and wrote four notes.
One of those notes
was to her husband,
it was printed in the paper
the next day, and it said,
"'Cause of my lack
of discipline,
the children are better off
to go this way."
Oh.
"Only grief would come
to them.
You are strong in faith,
never doubting.
Mercy, mercy to my people.
I have loved you
and I have failed."
All right, so now we got four
dead kids, babies,
uh, in the home,
what happens with her?
Well, she went
into the closet,
she got her husband's old
Army r*fle,
laid the g*n up
with the muzzle
against her chest,
and used her big toe
to pull the trigger
and sh*t herself.
There's a article about it.
[Steve] All right, so she
wasn't of sound mind,
this woman, obviously.
To this day, this is one
of the most disturbing murders
in Flagstaff's history.
[Amy] That woman
who's dressed like a bride
is wandering around in here.
She said she d*ed
a long time ago.
I hear s,
but I don't know
if that's her age
or the year around she d*ed?
I kind of wanna say su1c1de,
I kind of got the feeling,
that she was kind of being
forced to live, uh, not
how she wanted to.
Like she wanted to be,
like, free, you know,
footloose and fancy-free
and that wasn't gonna happen.
[Matthew] She doesn't like
people in the space,
any reason?
She feels like it's hers
and she should be here
and they shouldn't.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Everyone out here
is seeing and hearing
strange stuff.
Now to me,
everything isn't paranormal.
Flagstaff is a mountain town,
it's , feet
above sea level.
Trust me, I feel it
every morning I'm here.
Now, from what
I've been reading,
mountain climbers sometimes
get hallucinations
from thin air.
So, I'm wondering
if that's what's
happening here.
I'm heading over to a doctor
who specializes
in altitude sickness,
and he's gonna put my theory
to the test.
[Steve] Well, Dr. Backhaus,
I appreciate you
helping me out
and meeting with me.
So my investigation in town,
I'm coming across
a ton of people
that are hearing things
and seeing things.
Now, this altitude
is kicking my ass.
Is it possible this altitude
could cause people
to see things?
Or hear things
that aren't there?
Yes, there are reports
of mountain climbers
who talk to people
that aren't even there.
Besides the hallucinations,
are there any other
side effects?
-Dizziness. It happens.
-Okay.
And then,
it could be confusion.
Okay, I've been here
a few days and I'm having
a couple of those myself.
-Yes.
-So, Doctor, I've brought
some witnesses
that I've spoken to,
who have been seeing
things and hearing things.
So, I understand you can run
a test,
to see if they're getting
hallucinations
from the altitude.
Yes.
The three test subjects
will be breathing in and out
of this altitude simulator. ::. --] ::. align:right line:.%
We'll start them
at , feet.
And if they're handling
it well,
we'll move them up
to , feet.
Yeah,
this is your blood oxygen
and this is your heart rate.
The first thing we'll test
is motor skills.
Oh.
Then, we'll test
their cognitive abilities.
Using flash cards,
we'll see if they're able
to select the word green.
Next, we'll see if they might
be having hallucinations.
I'll present them
with a mix of real people
and mannequins.
I'll ask them how many humans
they see.
[ticking]
All of them got it wrong.
Okay, so how'd these tests go?
Surprisingly,
with motor skills,
all three did well.
Okay, so what about
the second test?
For the cognitive skills,
two passed and one failed.
So, what about that last
perception test you did?
Well, the perception,
I was surprised.
All three failed.
They couldn't tell
the difference
between the humans
and the mannequins.
All right, so is it possible
from that last test you did
that they're not having
paranormal experiences
and it is the altitude?
No, the altitude here
is , feet.
-Okay.
-And two of the guys,
they had to go to , feet
for the changes to take place.
-Wow. That's high.
-Yes.
So, the tourists,
they think they're having
paranormal experiences,
but it might
just be the altitude.
Yes.
But, people that lived here
and are acclimated,
-there's no way
they're hallucinating.
-No.
Okay.
[Amy] This alien thing,
goes all over town.
It's a bit unusual to have
an alien
thing, running around.
Either in people's dreams,
or in their day-to-day
activities, telling them,
or showing them,
like, this or that's
going to happen.
This alien thing
can change forms
and people can see it
in a bunch of different ways.
[Matthew] Do you have
any idea why it shows itself
in different forms
to different people?
For those who can
see this thing,
it would come through
as something
that's positive
to that person.
[Amy] I saw a lot
of strange things
on my two walks,
but three really stood out.
First, the flat looking
shadow guy.
This man was super wrinkled.
Super, super thin.
Little, kind of baby nose.
Uh, baby lips.
Um, so the hair
is a lot thinner.
It's very wispy.
Next, I described the woman
who was dressed like a bride,
tormenting someone on stage
at the theater.
On the stage is, like,
one of the workers.
He was wearing a black shirt
with short sleeves.
There's a female
who is in a wedding dress.
She's on his back.
Her legs are over both
of his shoulders.
Describe her expression.
Her mouth, like, grew
really big
and she had, like, all these
jagged sharp teeth,
like, she was, like...
Finally, I described the angry
man in the theater
turning himself
into a huge shadow.
There was a male.
I saw his hands,
like, up in front of him.
Like whoa.
And he sees this huge
shadow figure.
Definitely a male,
you could tell.
Ridiculously broad shoulders
because this guy is, like,
really trying to intimidate
uh, this living guy.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Now that Amy
and I have completed
our own investigations,
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
and our clients
for the first time.
So, Amy, I want you
to meet Joshua.
He, uh, works
at the Visitor Center in town
and knows just
about everybody here.
Um, this is Nancy.
She owns and runs
a local diner
and it's been in her family
for over years, right?
Right, years.
And this, are the residents
of Flagstaff.
Got too many
to introduce you to,
but you'll be hearing
from some of them
during the night.
Some people think
that whatever's here
is harmless.
But others think it's pretty
dangerous for everybody.
One thing everybody agrees on,
place is haunted.
They're looking forward
to hearing what's here
and what they can do
about it, so they can
remain safe.
So, unless Amy's got
some questions for you,
she'll tell us about her walk.
[Amy] Before I talk
about the entire town,
I want to go over
the biggest things I got
at the different locations
I went in to.
The first building,
from the first night,
I walked in and I actually
encountered a male.
He's extremely ADHD.
Uh, so this guy was, like,
talking nonstop,
moving around nonstop,
fussing with everything.
When he's doing that,
often, he does moves objects.
Because of his energy,
I got a really sharp
uh, headache.
And I'm curious, if anybody
up in that area has
had that kind of
experience as well,
with having sudden headaches.
And he also tries
to interact with people often
because he's a very touchy,
feely guy.
I was curious if people
had experienced
feeling like they're being
touched on the back,
on the arm, patted,
things like that.
Okay, well, that first
location you went to was, uh,
the crystal shop in town.
Uh, I know everything
was covered up,
um, while, when
you were there,
but I want to show you
what it looks like, when
it's not covered up.
[Amy] Interesting.
So, I want you to meet
the owner,
uh, it's Jessica,
she's right there.
Could you raise
your hand Jessica?
Hi.
I want to talk about some
stuff, we, uh, spoke about
in our interview.
So, whenever I call
on someone,
just head
to that table in the back
with the microphone.
Amy talked about the migraine,
can you tell Amy
about your migraine?
I never get migraines ever,
um, and right before you guys
got here,
um, for about two days,
I was getting these
really sharp migraines,
that would basically hit me,
as soon as I walked
in the door.
And then they started fading
away when I left for the day.
She mentioned
things getting...
...moved around. [chuckles]
We have stuff flying off
the shelf on a weekly basis.
Um, we've also had
experiences where,
um, it just looks
like somebody just swept
everything off of a shelf.
Jordan, can you do me a favor?
I'd like you to go up there.
I wanna talk about something.
Jordan works
at the crystal shop too.
Can you describe to Amy
what happened
when you were vacuuming
and got tugged.
[Jordan] So, I was vacuuming
one night
and I went to pull it back
and it was like, there
was resistance on the hose.
As if someone was holding it,
so I couldn't vacuum.
And there was nothing
that it caught on?
Nothing like that?
Yeah, it was over wood floor,
so it's not like it was
getting stuck on carpet.
There were no kinks
in the tubing.
Think that's that guy?
Yeah.
[Steve] Okay, so,
what else happened?
[Amy] The next walk...
Night, I started right here.
In the theater.
It was, like,
completely engulfed by rage.
And it was coming
from this dead guy.
He's extremely intense.
He doesn't want
to be disrespected,
or challenged in any way,
shape or form.
I didn't particularly
care for him,
and I felt like it was
a possibility
that people would,
uh, potentially feel a sudden
onset of panic back there.
Is Lisa out here?
So, this is, Lisa.
Um, she used to work here.
Do me a favor,
just tell her about
what you were feeling
in the back, that time.
My friend and I were here.
We were hanging out
with the band backstage,
after the show.
And we were
kind of right between
where the couches are
and where the stage is.
-[Amy] Yeah.
-And I was like,
we need to go, now.
We need to leave now.
-You described it, as what?
Impending doom?
-[Lisa] Yeah.
And then,
as soon as we did leave,
um, I didn't have
that feeling anymore.
Does he do anything else?
[Amy] Yes.
Then, I was suddenly inside
the body of a male.
A living person.
And, whoever this guy is,
the dead dude
does not like him.
And he comes in and engulfs
the entire room
as, like, this huge,
black, mass of a man,
uh, trying to intimidate
this living male.
I did have a sketch done
of being inside
that living male's body
and seeing what he saw.
[Steve] Hmm.
It's interesting.
So, this is what he portrays
himself as?
[Amy] Mmm.
Yeah, take a look
at that, guys.
I have...
Kind of got chills
all over my body right now.
[Steve] Joshua, I mean,
you noticed some stuff
going on here.
Does this surprise you?
Honestly, no.
It feels familiar.
[Steve] Hey, Susan. You here?
There she is.
Hi, I'm Susan,
with the Orpheum.
[Amy] Hi.
So, Sue, when she...
...talked about the shadows,
you mentioned that to me.
Do you mind describing
it to Amy, for her?
When I first started
working here,
every so often, when I would
walk from the back,
I felt like up in the curtains
I would see more
of a shadowy mass,
not defined
and there was no interaction.
You didn't get a good feeling
off of it, though.
No.
That sound like him?
Yes.
[Steve] Okay, so what's next?
[Amy] Then, I'm walking
up the street.
And there's, like, a railing.
so I just stopped
and looked down.
And there was, like,
all these men
who were being mistreated.
And here's what that part
of the walk looked like.
[Amy] I don't like this.
There's a bunch of men
down there.
And they're...
...in a lot of pain.
Damn, man. There's got to be
at least of them.
They're laborers.
They're hurting.
, .
[Steve] So, dead laborers
who were mistreated
around the s.
Think I have a pretty good
idea who you saw.
Now in , Flagstaff began
building a railway system.
And there were quite
a few accidents,
but the worst one happened
in .
That's when some black powder
exploded while men
were building a tunnel.
Uh, seven of the men
were k*lled.
And, uh, three were maimed.
Oh [bleep].
[Steve] It was so bad,
the expert I spoke to,
said that body parts
were actually raining
from the sky.
Now, do you think those
railway workers
are who you might have seen?
Yeah.
[Steve] What happened next?
So, I went into this hotel.
Lots of dead people.
The first thing
that I really noticed
was hearing piano music.
And it was coming
from upstairs.
So, I went up the stairs
and then, there was
this dead guy there.
Then, I saw some women.
And they were all, like,
chit-chatting.
Then, I went downstairs,
into... I don't know,
a restaurant or something.
There was a guy there,
who used to be
a business manager,
I think he kept
calling himself.
And this would have been,
maybe, in the 's or 's.
He was super solid as well.
The living may see him.
And he does get annoyed
when people are not doing
the proper things.
[Steve] So, Amy,
the place is called
The Weatherford Hotel.
You mentioned
that the dead guy might
get annoyed with the living.
Now, I want you
to meet Chelsea.
She runs the place.
Chelsea, tell Amy
about the bottle flying.
In the same area,
down in The Gopher Hole,
I was shining a glass.
All of a sudden,
another flute sh*t
right in front of my face,
hit the mirror in the back bar
and shattered.
Another time,
there is a shelf
right above the bar.
It's, um, very flush,
there's no reason
why anything would fall
off of it.
And the bottle
was actually tucked back
towards the wall area.
And, um, it had fallen over
and it almost hit the server
which was there probably
a minute before.
[Amy] Oops.
-See it?
-Ah-ha.
The business manager,
do you think that's the one
that threw the bottle?
Yeah, that's the most
active [bleep] place
I walked tonight.
-Wow.
-[Amy] The hotel.
[Steve] Okay, so what's next?
[Amy] So then, I left
and I went to the diner.
And there was only
one dead guy that I met.
Very, very present.
Uh, very solid.
I got that his name
was something like Bill.
And I think he may have owned
the business at some point.
He does tend to move
things around.
So, going through the deeds
for your place,
I found that your diner
was De Noel's Bakery
from to .
The guy who ran it
from the 's
and to the close
-was Bob Noel.
-Ah.
[Steve] Now you said he moves
things around.
Nancy, I want you to tell Amy
about the sweeper.
[Nancy] I was in the basement
of the diner.
And I felt someone
behind me sweeping the floor.
-Hmm.
-[Nancy] And I could see
the motion of it.
And I turned around to talk
to them,
and there was nobody there.
Have you seen any
other movements or...
[Nancy] I've seen things,
we've had things move...
Is it possible the previous
former guy that owned
the place, Bob Noel?
[Amy] Yeah.
It's his place.
You're cool with him
staying, right?
-I mean...
-[audience murmuring]
'Cause he really
wants to stay.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
Now, I'm going
to talk about...
...things that kind of
affect the entire town.
There are three things.
I'll start off
with the dead woman.
I called her the bride,
uh, because she's wearing
a wedding dress.
And she was on both
of my walks.
And she does travel around.
But, her favorite place,
is here.
The problem with her
is that she can jump people.
That is not good
because the person
can lose control
for seconds to minutes
over their body.
And when she gets annoyed,
she'll screw things up,
uh, with electricity.
She's really good at that.
So, we'll start
with the electricity.
Susan, can you explain
to Amy what's going on?
I would come in once
every week
and two very high up lights
in our lighting tracks
would be on.
And, they're not lights
that you can turn on
with a switch.
And I would bring
in my production guys,
have them look at it
and no explanation.
[Steve] Now, Amy,
you mentioned
she can jump people.
Lisa, remember
when we discussed
about people not acting
the way they should?
-Yes.
-Tell that to Amy.
I have seen and experienced
people doing things that
[inhales]
I would not think
is in their character.
And very... bad things.
Can I have one example?
Sure, I mean, I can give two.
And both have to do
with people that I work with
stabbing other people.
[bleep]
So, is that something
that could be tied
into her jumping people?
Yes, yes.
[Steve] So this bride,
does she do anything else?
She really likes it up here
and, uh, this is what I got.
So I'm getting that she causes
a lot of problems
with people on the stage.
She... She... She... She...
She's very upset.
She doesn't wanna go anywhere.
Uh, she likes it here.
She does a lot
of bad things here.
She, uh,
is climbing on their backs.
I wonder if they feel, uh,
literally a weight,
uh, on their shoulders
all of a sudden.
Feeling like something
really heavy
slammed on to them.
And I had a sketch
done of what I saw.
That's [bleep] up.
[Nancy] Horrible.
[Joshua] The legs
over the shoulders,
that it's fully over,
as you said.
That's [bleep] up.
So Amy I brought Lisa back up.
[clears throat]
I want her to talk
about what I consider
a violent incident.
So this was about years ago
and I worked here.
And I was
about six months pregnant.
Something pushed me
from behind
and I kind of, like.
slammed into one
of the high top tables.
-Okay.
-She did demonstrate on me.
I'm the lightweight,
obviously, we know.
-Yeah.
-[Steve] And...
...she gave me a jolt.
What are you thinking?
Ah, it could be a woman.
[Steve] So, you said
there were
three things, right?
-[Amy] Yeah.
-[Steve] So
what's the second?
[Amy] This is...
...where it gets
a little different.
So, I initially
was calling it a thing.
This was never human
and it was not
from this Earth.
It's all over town.
It's been here
for an extremely long time.
On the first night when I was
in the basement of the shop,
I saw it coming and going
down there through the walls.
So, it kind of travels
around town
underground, I guess.
It can show itself
to people in different ways.
I just wanna get Ari up there.
Hi, I'm Ari.
I'm a Flagstaff local.
-Didn't you tell me
about a face?
-[Ari] Yeah.
I was in the basement
of the downtown diner
and in the corner of it
I saw a very grey, long,
disheveled face.
It had no body.
It gave me a very big sense
of dread.
[Amy] Here's the thing.
According to this thing,
it's not trying
to scare people,
it's trying to comfort them.
So, it can
give them information
about the future,
but I'm skeptical
about it myself.
We've worked together
more than years now
and that's one
of the stranger things
you've ever run into.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
All right, so how would this
affect regular people
in the town.
[Amy] People would have
really clear,
you know, visions
or hearing something
talking about a future event
or something of that nature.
It's weird to me that
you would say that there...
This thing is giving us,
like, glimpses of the future
because I've definitely
had experiences
where I've had a dream
and it wasn't something
that happened to me
in the past
but all of a sudden
it became something
that came to fruition.
Oh.
My concern was
if it was, like,
harming people in a way.
Uh, but it...
From what you're saying,
it wouldn't seem that way.
Anybody else dreaming?
[sighs]
My name is Kimberly
and I'm a Flagstaff local.
I actually had a dream
last month that ended up
coming true.
Um, I had misplaced
my grandmother's ring
which she passed
a couple of years ago.
So, it means a lot to me
and uh, I had a dream
that basically was like...
Your ring is here in this room
and it just, like, showed me
the exact area and, uh,
I went to that spot
and sure enough it was there.
-That's positive.
-[Steve] Glad you found it.
Yeah.
[Amy] Well,
now I'm re-evaluating.
All right,
maybe he's not a bad guy.
You guys know
this town is , feet up
and it's k*lling me.
I mean I'm having
a tough time here.
So I was actually reading
about mountain climbers
sometimes seeing apparitions
because they get disoriented
from the low oxygen.
So I got three towns people
seeing weird stuff
to take an altitude test.
We showed them a mix
of humans and mannequins
and asked them
to identify the real people.
All of them got it wrong.
We were simulating
a much higher altitude.
So, what the test proved
is it's possible
tourists are actually
seeing things.
But this doesn't explain
what the locals
are experiencing
because they're adjusted
to the altitude.
That's interesting though.
I like that study,
that's cool.
So, um, Amy, you mentioned
this thing goes
through walkways,
down in the basement.
So, you should know
there's a series of tunnels
that run underneath the city.
There have been
a lot of weird rumors
about what happened
in these tunnels.
But I spoke to a woman
who directed a documentary
on the tunnels.
Now, she set
the record straight.
They were built in the s.
The smaller ones
were used to steam heat
for the businesses downtown.
Now the larger ones
we used as passage ways
between the buildings.
These tunnels are a big part
of Flagstaff lore.
I wanted to go
check 'em out myself
but most of them
are now boarded up.
Huh, interesting.
[Steve] Now you said
there were three things
that concern you in the town.
We got the bride,
we got the thing.
What else?
I'm definitely worried
about this guy.
He was super present
on the first walk
in the basement
of the shop.
I got that he was
one of the original owners
of this land or town.
The thing is,
is that he still believes
that this is his town.
I put him maybe
in the mid-s.
I heard a name, uh, like Jack.
Uh, and I got that he...
...I think d*ed
from some kind of disease.
Okay, so what you're saying
is making me think
about one
of the original owners
of Jessica's property.
His name wasn't Jack,
but it's close.
His name was James Vail.
Mmm, oh, interesting.
Now Karen,
a local professor, uh,
told me about this story.
He started off in Flagstaff
as a bartender at a saloon,
uh, where Jessica's
store sits now.
Vail was a pretty smart
businessman
and wind up owning the bar
few years later.
In the s,
he bought the building
and added a brothel.
This is a photo
of what that looked
like back then.
So Vail was making
so much money,
he started buying
property all over the town
that he used
for cattle ranching.
We're talking
about acres.
But in , Vail suffered
a life changing accident
in one of his ranches.
Uh, he was run over by a wagon
and nearly lost his life.
Ooh.
Vail never recovered
and he was crippled
and in terrible pain.
Mmm.
Apparently it
was too much for him.
And on April rd, ,
Vail put a g*n to his head
and pulled the trigger.
-Oh, damn.
-[Steve] Yeah.
[Amy] How old was he
when he d*ed?
[Steve] Vail was years old
when he k*lled himself.
-Really?
-[Steve] Yeah.
Could James Vail
be this dead guy you saw?
Yeah, I mean
I see a lot of the boxes
being, like checked.
She said you were worried
about this guy, but why?
[Amy] Well he goes all over...
When he was alive,
uh, one of the things
that I saw him doing
was actually
eating a human heart.
[crowd gasping]
[Amy] When I went
into the basement,
I saw him again and...
He likes to be
alone down there
and he'll get really pissed
when people inv*de his space.
He can, uh, push people.
The living would see him
as a flat looking
shadow type figure.
When he's in this area,
he likes to hang
out down here.
And he like, plots and plans.
He's writing out names
of people he hates,
people he wants to do harm to.
That's what he does.
He does that wide circling,
wide circling.
And I think this might be
one of the [bleep] places.
Now let's talk
about the basement.
Uh, everyone
at Jessica's store hates,
hates the basement.
Hates it down there.
So Jessica,
do me a favor and, uh,
describe the black shadow,
um, you saw in the basement?
So, I was walking,
you know, from one end
of the basement to the other,
and out of the corner
of my eye,
I saw, like, a big shadow
that was kind of,
like, going by me.
This is Jordan,
you remember from before,
she works at the shop.
Hi.
When I was downstairs
in the basement,
there was a big black shadow
right behind me.
It didn't feel humanoid to me,
but it was
very threatening feeling.
Mmm, okay.
He does take people's energy
and makes them sick.
Some people that he
hones in on,
uh, he can follow them home
and make them sicker.
Where's Adalyn?
I'm Adalyn and I work
at the crystal shop as well.
Hi.
Adalyn, didn't you tell me
you got sick down there?
[Adalyn] Yes.
Every now and again
whenever I go downstairs
which is pretty frequent,
sometimes I get a feeling
of just, like, dread
in my stomach
or, um,
just, like, something
doesn't want me there.
Didn't you tell me
your biggest fear
was that something would...
Might follow you home?
[Adalyn] Yeah.
I would just get nervous
that it would get,
like, attached
or something like that.
Should she be worried?
This guy,
yeah, he can go places.
He tends to,
like, fixate on people
who are prone to illnesses.
So, I also had a sketch done
of what I saw.
Creepy looking son of a bitch.
Take a look at that.
-[Nancy] Very scary.
-Yeah.
And he's the one
you said goes
all around town?
Yeah, he likes
to make people sick.
He definitely looks
like some old mogul guy.
This reminds me of like...
I don't know, Scrooge.
What does this guy want
from everybody in town?
Everything he owned
he wants it back.
I was actually
seeing these people.
That he's writing down
their names and going there,
going there.
Gonna take them down.
Gonna [bleep] him up.
This makes me feel horrible.
I wanna know my name's
not on that paper
and I wanna know
how can I be safe
from being on that paper.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, I know
everyone here
is passionate about this city
and I can understand why.
Flagstaff is beautiful.
But after what
we've heard tonight,
there's clearly a problem.
So what's it gonna take
to make this place safe?
For that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
[Amy] For the crystal shop,
the first person
I would really like
to see moved on
is the ADHD guy.
The best bet
would be having a younger
male medium.
Maybe in his early s.
Just so he can have a bond
with that male.
I think that would go
really smoothly.
Then we have this location
with the angry male.
I believe that
a motherly female type
who is a medium
would be able
to move him on.
As far as the laborers,
honestly, they need
some more time
to kind of
work out their [bleep].
I know it sucks
'cause they are
in a lot of pain
but they're not
completely aware
that they're deceased.
So leave the guys alone.
-Yes.
-They're working
through things.
All right, so any advice
for the hotel?
[Amy] Upstairs,
what would be really great
is maybe having
a couple of mediums
come through and sit down
with these various dead
who want to talk.
Because there's
a lot of dead there
who would love
to tell their stories.
A lot of them,
once they do that
will automatically
be able to move on.
[Steve] All right,
now what about the guy
at Nancy's diner.
-He's good to go?
-Oh, he's awesome,
I mean...
I like him.
He's a good guy.
So you don't
have to do anything.
He doesn't wanna leave,
so and you're cool.
So, that's good.
[Steve] Okay, now how
about the things
that are affecting
the whole town?
As far as the thing goes,
is that okay?
Personally,
I'm still one the fence
about the whole thing.
But, it seems to be positive.
So, let's just monitor
the situation,
but we'll leave him alone
for now.
[Steve] Okay.
What about the bride?
With the bride
who's potentially
a big [bleep] problem.
I would like to get kind of
brutal with her
and bring in a
female demonologist
who's going to, uh,
exorcise her.
So any particular
location for that though?
-Here since this is
her favorite spot.
-[Steve] Okay
[Steve] Now
the shadow guy seems
to be the biggest issue.
What are we gonna
do about him?
I want to have
a male demonologist
and a shaman coming at him
at the same time
in the basement
of the crystal place.
By going at him
with both of these,
uh, people
he will be contained
and removed.
It sounds like if the bride
and the two guys are gone,
things should be
a little better here?
Yeah, that'll be good.
So, Chelsea,
you heard what Amy said.
Uh, you gonna follow
her advice at all?
-Of course, yeah.
-[Steve] Okay.
Jessica, you're the reason
we're in town.
I mean you called
for help originally.
Uh, it seems like you got
the most problems
in that basement.
Yeah.
Are you gonna follow up
with some
of Amy's suggestions?
Well, absolutely.
Were you shocked at all
or surprised by what
you heard?
Absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, kind of
floored actually.
So, Susan, you got a couple
of bad guys here.
Yeah it's definitely
a surprise, honestly,
and definitely worrisome
on a energetic level.
Well, better to get
her out of here
before she closes her palm
on a group you got here or...
Yeah, it's not what
we wanna be known for.
-That's for sure.
-[Steve] Yeah.
Well, some of you thought
whatever she is no big deal
and some of you
thought it was a problem,
it could be dangerous.
Obviously,
it's a little bit of both,
but more dangerous
than we thought.
But now we've got a gameplan
and hopefully you guys will
go through with it.
So, we appreciate you, uh,
allowing us to come into town
and doing this investigation.
I hope everybody's
happy with it.
Yes.
Yeah.
Thank you so much
for having us
and, uh, hopefully things
will work out.
[Amy] This was
a very unique case.
Steve and I have never
investigated an entire
town before.
But I was glad we were able
to give the people
of Flagstaff
some good news.
If they follow my advice,
this town will be a lot safer
for the people who live, work
and visit here.
of the people he hates.
He does follow people home
and he makes people sick.
Every single person
that I have working with me
right now
has had something happen.
I'm just worried that it could
follow me home,
hurt someone I love...
[Amy] He can go anywhere
to anyone at any time.
Not good.
If you're okay with it,
maybe we expand
our investigation
and do another walk.
[Amy] I'm seeing skeletons.
They're stacked
on top of each other.
Body parts
were actually raining down
from the sky.
One of the things
that I saw him doing
-was actually eating
a human heart.
-[audience gasps]
[Amy] He still believes
that this is his town.
He wants it back.
He wants the person dead.
My name is Amy Allan.
[groans]
I see dead people.
I saw a winged creature.
I speak to dead people.
And they speak to me.
This person
feels like a monster.
But there's only one way
to know if my findings
are real.
They are sucking the life
out of these people.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
So how many bodies
are we talking?
And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
It's my job to reveal them.
But Steve and I never speak.
We never communicate
during an investigation.
Until the very end.
-You're not gonna like this.
-[gasps]
When we uncover
if it's safe for you
to stay...
I'm sorry.
I need to take a break.
...or time to get out.
It wants inside the house
'cause it wants to k*ll you.
[gasps]
[Steve] Amy and I got called
into Flagstaff
a couple of weeks ago
to help a business
that was struggling
with the paranormal.
Little did we know,
at the time,
that the entire freakin' town
was haunted.
So we decided to stay
and expand our investigation
and, for the first time,
try to help an entire city.
Tonight, you'll find out
what's really going on
in your town
and what you can do about it.
But first, we're gonna start
from the very beginning,
from when Amy and I
first got here.
[Steve] I got a desperate call
from a woman named Jessica
who runs a crystal shop
that's been in her family
for three generations.
But now, she's scared.
Scared for her employees,
her customers and herself.
It's gotten really bad.
Every single one
of my employees has a story.
I'm afraid that everything
is gonna get worse.
[Steve] Now she told me
activities have gotten so bad,
if we can't help,
she may have
to shut the place down.
I hope Amy and I
can figure out how to fix it.
[car door opens]
[Amy] I see this dead woman.
She is wearing a bride's dress
and a long veil.
We start holding hands.
And then she jumps up
on my back and she gets
all [bleep] evil looking
and then I'm like, oh, damn.
I'm like, she's [bleep]
with people.
So she's not all good.
So Jessica,
this is a really nice shop
you've got here
and great little town.
Um, what the hell's going on?
You didn't sound good
on the phone when we spoke.
We've just been having
way too many things happening.
And now, my staff is scared.
So I can imagine
you're probably worried
about your customers as well.
Absolutely. There's a lot
of very fragile, sharp things
in this store.
So I'm definitely worried
about their safety too.
All your employees
having experiences
or is it just you?
Every single person
that I have working for me
right now
has had something happen.
What part of the store
is the worst
for your employees
and yourself?
I'd definitely say
it's the basement.
-[Steve] Okay.
-[Jessica] It always feels
really creepy down there.
There is a series of tunnels
that, kind of, connects
all of downtown...
-Really?
-...that also connects
to our basement.
-[Steve] Tunnels?
-Mmm-hmm.
That's interesting.
That's something
I'm gonna look into.
All right, so let's start
with basics.
How long
have you owned the shop?
It's been in my family
for years.
I was raised in the store,
raised with this business.
So, um, it's part of who I am.
You know,
I have two young kids.
I want them to feel
like they're safe in here
as well.
Okay.
So, if you can, give me a list
of what you guys
are experiencing.
Footsteps and voices,
we have things
flying off the shelf.
We always feel
like we're being watched.
And we're seeing apparitions.
Are you having experiences
any place else but the shop?
I have experiences
pretty much everywhere
in Flagstaff.
[Steve] Okay,
that's interesting.
Have you ever tried
to bring somebody in
to try to get rid
of what's here?
No, but I do
some of my own things.
-Like what?
-Every single time
I walk in that door,
I kind of say out
into the space,
"Please leave me alone."
I also do some smudging
with white sage.
Has the smudging
and you talking
out loud helped?
-No.
-What are you hoping
we can do for you?
I really wanna know
what's here,
why they're here,
and essentially,
how to either get rid of them
or, at least, appease them
so that they aren't harassing
my staff on a daily basis.
[Amy] I'm seeing
this flat looking shadow guy.
He's extremely tall,
very wide.
He's got a hat
and a suit, very flat...
...flat against a wall,
a wall shadow.
And he truly, absolutely feels
he's untouchable.
He came and took everything
from everyone.
He hurt and harmed so many,
I think people have been
trying to get rid of him
for a long time.
And ain't nothing worked.
He's, like, kind of losing
his humanity at this point.
This is strange.
I see him eating something.
He's eating a [scoffs]
a human heart
and it was, apparently,
Native American.
He can go anywhere,
to any one, at any time.
Not good.
[train whistle blows]
[Steve] What's going on here?
-Well, our basement
is right back there.
-[Steve] Okay.
[Jessica] And it's where
most of us see apparitions
or shadow figures.
The shadow figures,
can you describe
what it looks like?
It doesn't really
have any shape.
-Okay.
-It just looks
like something black
and moving at my...
In my peripheral vision.
Do you have any windows
in the basement
from the outside?
-No.
-All right. So nobody can be
casting a shadow from outside?
-No.
-Okay. So, anything else?
Sometimes, merchandise
just flies off the shelf.
So, I gotta ask you,
I felt when those trains
went by here,
it's right across the street.
-[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
-[Steve] Is it possible
the train's causing
some of the stuff to fall off?
No, I mean,
this building is old and it...
But it doesn't shake
when the trains go by.
Okay, so anything else?
I never get migraines, ever.
And, um, when I've been
coming into the store
these last couple of days,
it's just been
these pulsing migraines
that don't go away
unless I leave the building.
[Steve] Interesting, okay.
What are you hoping
you can get
out of this investigation?
It's a family business.
This business
means the world to me,
to my parents
and I really would love
to be able to pass
this business on to my kids.
And that I feel safe
to pass it on to them,
so that we can continue this
for as many generations
as we can do it.
[Amy] There's a guy.
He seems to be recent.
And so I think
that he used to work here.
He's very, like, ADHD.
He's kind of like
all over the [bleep] place.
He's making my head hurt, too.
I'm getting, like,
really sharp head pain
um, with him.
Uh, and I think the living,
they could get headaches
in this area.
And also, uh, they become
very scattered up in this area
like, they couldn't...
Can't focus, can't keep track
of their thoughts.
People would get very,
very drained around town.
He does do a lot
of physical stuff in here.
He's, like, in the stuff.
He's, like, messing
with things.
It's almost like
he's trying to, like,
interact with people.
They might feel, like, pats
or pressure on their backs,
shoulders, arms...
...which, I guess,
would freak them out.
[Steve] So, Brittany, how long
have you been working here?
On and off
for the past three years.
I was talking to Jessica
and it sounds
like you guys have
a paranormal problem here.
-You agree with that?
-I would agree with that.
I feel like it's gotten worse,
over the years.
So are there experiences
you could tell me about?
Yeah. I came in to open
one morning
and there was journals
thrown across the floor
off of one of the shelves.
-[Steve] Okay.
-I do have a picture of that,
actually.
[Steve] Looking at that photo,
it seems pretty aggressive.
What do you think happened?
I feel as though
there is a ghost here
that is a man.
-Okay.
-Um, and I think
that he is the one
that throws things
off the shelf.
All right. What else
can you tell me?
The faucet turns on
in the bathroom on its own.
Is it possible
that maybe a co-worker
just left it on by accident,
-'cause I do it all the time.
-[Brittany] I don't think so.
I've never had
any of the girls
leave the faucet on.
Does it freak you out?
It scares me, yeah.
Okay.
[Amy whispering] Okay.
The flat dude,
I see him bothering people
around the bathroom.
I'm, like, seeing, uh, women
use, uh, the restroom.
Very creepy.
I don't know how
they're experiencing this.
Uh, like, I don't know
if they're seeing
the shadow figure,
or if they're feeling anything
on them?
Like, I'm hearing
the women, like,
"Get out of here!
Get out of here!
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone.
Get out of here!
Leave me alone."
She's very angry.
I see her hitting her legs
and then she's saying,
"Get out of here!
Get out of here!
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone."
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Jordan,
I was talking to Jessica,
who owns the place,
and she was saying
the staff
were pretty scared
about the stuff
that's going on here.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's definitely been kind of
an eerie place to work.
We've all had experiences.
So she mentioned this basement
in particular.
Yeah. The basement is
kind of where the most of us
don't wanna be.
Okay, so can you tell me
about some of the experiences
you've had?
So, the other day
I was vacuuming.
And I went to go forward
and, all of a sudden,
I was stuck in place
like someone was holding it
from behind me.
Can you show me
how tough it was for you to...
All right, so,
give me your arm.
Oh! Okay,
so it was pretty strong.
It was significantly, like,
not moving.
Sometimes the brush
on the vacuum can get stuck
on the fibers
in the rug,
was that what happened
with the...
Well, we do have carpet,
but I was doing the wood
at this time.
-[Steve] Okay, so--
-So it wasn't getting stuck.
Okay. So anything else?
[Jordan] When I was down here,
um, I saw, like,
a reflection of, like,
a shadow behind me.
It felt very, like,
engulfing, like,
just all around me.
All right. You must have
crapped yourself, I mean--
I was terrified
when that happened.
What do you think
whatever's here wants?
It wants its space back.
It wants, maybe even,
like, revenge.
-It just--
-[Steve] Hmm.
-We're not welcome here
by that particular spirit.
-[Steve] Okay.
[Amy] I don't wanna
go down there.
Okay. I don't honestly know
why I'm hesitant.
I just felt a press.
I don't like it, though,
I don't like it.
The flat looking shadow guy
hates when people
come down here.
He's malignant. He tries to...
...cause problems.
Anybody he doesn't like,
he tries to take them down.
He can push people.
And he's like, pushing people
the [bleep] out of here.
When he's in this area,
he likes to hang out
down here.
And he, like, plots and plans.
He's writing out names
of people he hates,
people he wants to do harm to,
that's what he does,
he does that wide circle,
a little wide circle.
And I think this might be
one of the [bleep] places.
So Adalyn, Jessica was saying
there's a lot of paranormal
activity in the shop.
-Now, do you agree with that?
-Yes.
-For sure.
-Okay.
-So you've had experiences,
obviously, right?
-Mmm-hmm.
I just feel watched
all the time.
How does it feel to you,
what kind of feeling is it?
It's just like
someone is boring their eyes
into the back of your head.
Feels like someone
wants me to know
that they're there.
-Okay. Is it intimidating
for you?
-[Adalyn] Yes.
It's very scary
and makes me
not want to be down here.
All right, so is there
anything else?
Awful feeling of sickness
that I get
when I'm down here.
All right.
Describe the feeling for me.
Where my heart
drops to my stomach,
it's dread, it makes me
feel like I'm gonna throw up.
So there's a lot of activity
in this place.
Uh, do you think it's possible
somebody can get hurt
from it?
I would just worry
that if the spirit
did get angry,
that it could follow me home,
hurt someone I love,
or just get mad enough
to the point
where things get ugly.
Okay.
The flat looking shadow guy
did feel like,
uh, that people had seen him.
You know, 'cause
when he's in the shadow form,
he's this big guy.
He don't wanna be bothered.
And he does get
all [bleep] psycho.
I think he goes to other
[bleep] places that he thinks
he [bleep] owns.
He does follow people home.
And he makes people sick.
And he will go home with them.
He will make them sicker
and sicker and sicker.
I don't feel good. [gasps]
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Jessica's business
is in an older building.
Figured there had
to be some history to it.
Turns out,
one of the original owners
was a controversial guy.
I'm heading over
to meet a local professor
who tells me he lived fast,
d*ed young,
and made a lot of money
and enemies along the way.
[Steve] Well, Professor,
thanks for helping me out
with this case.
I appreciate it.
Let's start at the top.
What do we know
about this guy?
So his name is James Vail.
And he came here from Ohio
in the early s.
He was just in his twenties
and he ends up
becoming a bartender
at the saloon that's located
right on the same premises
as your client's business.
So it was a saloon
at one point
and he worked there.
Exactly.
So now, you mentioned
on the phone, Professor,
this kid made a lot of money,
um, how'd he do that
bartending?
Well, James Vail took a gamble
and he bought the saloon.
And that went really well
for a while
until a big tragedy broke out
across the town.
Okay, so the tragedy.
What happened?
So, in ,
there was a huge fire
across Flagstaff,
and so many of the buildings
were made out of wood.
And a lot of them b*rned down.
And James Vail's salon
was one of them.
-Okay.
-But he didn't give up.
And so he rebuilt the salon
out of brick.
You can see it right here.
[Steve] The building looks
a little different now.
[Karen] Right,
so some of the bricks
were stuccoed over
in the s.
-But it's original bricks
still?
-Exactly.
Wow. Okay.
[Amy] I saw some fire.
I think it's residual,
this place.
It was much, much smaller.
Some kind of like store,
way back in the day.
So, in this area
I'm feeling, like,
a lot of this panic.
I'm feeling...
I'm hearing people yelling.
And then I'm seeing,
like, the walls closing in.
All right, so this James Vail
kid, rebuilds his business
after this tragic fire.
How does it go after that?
He does a lot better
after he adds a brothel
to the saloon as well.
-Okay.
-I'm sure that didn't
go over well
with some of the conservative
folks in town.
But he does really well.
He makes a lot of money,
and is able to buy
a lot of real estate
around town,
including a cattle ranch.
So now he's got a ranch,
and the bar,
and the whorehouse. Okay.
So, now Professor,
you told me on the phone,
this kid d*ed young.
I mean, what happened?
Things start to go
really bad in .
He's out on his ranch,
during the summer.
He's in a wagon.
And he gets thrown
from the wagon
by his horses.
He hits the ground,
breaks his leg.
And so he's able
to keep the leg,
but he is permanently disabled
in a lot of pain.
All right, so he's got this
bad injury and he's disabled,
-but that's not what
k*lled him, right?
-That's right.
On April rd, ,
he goes downtown,
-buys a . revolver,
buys some b*ll*ts...
-[Steve] Okay.
...returns back to his ranch.
And just before high noon,
a sh*t rings out.
And they find James Vail dead,
with a b*llet hole
in the head.
He was just years old.
[Steve]
Why would he k*ll himself?
I think the pain
was just too much for him.
And I don't think
he saw a way out.
Well, you know, when it comes
to su1c1de,
nobody knows what's going
through people's heads.
[Amy] This flat looking
shadow guy is down here
a lot.
[man speaking]
Something like Jack.
I think this guy
owned a lot around here.
And I think he did
really bad [bleep].
I think, this might have been
one of the places he owned.
Or land he owned originally.
And I think, he thinks
he still does.
He wants it back.
[Steve] So far I have a client
who's worried sick
over the safety
of her employees
and customers,
on a property that was once
owned by a shady businessman,
who committed su1c1de.
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
Searching through old records,
I find out Jessica was right.
There really are tunnels
running beneath downtown
Flagstaff.
In fact, they run right
underneath her shop.
I'm heading over
to meet a woman who made
a documentary about them.
[Nikki] These tunnels
are used as infrastructure
for the city.
[Steve] She tells me
there were a lot of rumors
and myths about these tunnels.
And she wants to set
the record straight.
[Steve]
So, Nikki thanks for helping
me out in my investigation.
These tunnels.
I mean, what's the story
with them?
They run throughout
the downtown area,
here in Flagstaff.
-[Steve] Okay.
-And they connect several
businesses to one another.
All right.
So, when were they built?
They were built actually
in the late s.
Some of the tunnels
were used as dean tunnels.
They were only
about to . feet wide.
And the steam would then heat
the businesses downtown.
Okay. So now, what were
the other tunnels used for?
This is actually where
it gets a little bit
interesting
because some of the tunnels
were used as passageways.
So you could get
from one business
to the other.
But there are actually
a lot of rumors around town
of what actually went
on down there.
Okay, now you've piqued
my interest. Like what?
There was actually a rumor
of some illegal card games.
And any time the police
would come to raid it,
the owner would push
a button, and they would
escape.
Okay. So, any evidence
of that?
That's really just
a local myth, so there's
absolutely no evidence.
All right, so these bigger
tunnels, are they being
used at all?
In the 's,
Flagstaff actually did
a renovation
of the downtown area,
-which meant they sealed up
a lot of the tunnels.
-Okay.
[Nikki] But some of them
are actually still used today
for utility purposes.
All right, so what
are the chances
I can get down
and may see these tunnels.
[Nikki] You actually can't
get down there anymore.
It's actually pretty unsafe,
so I wouldn't recommend
going down there.
[Steve]
Okay, which makes sense.
Well, I appreciate you
helping me because now
I can tell facts from fiction
when it comes
to these tunnels.
[Amy] The flat shadow guy
is not alone down here.
There's a really weird looking
thing with him.
This is like they come
and go through here.
They come and go
through here. Okay, okay.
There's, like, walkways
or something.
So there's somewhere
they go there.
There's somewhere they
go there.
[sighs in exasperation]
There's a lot
going on down here.
I'm also seeing...
I am seeing bodies.
I'm seeing skeletons. Okay.
And they're, like, stacked.
They're stacked
on top of each other.
I'm, like, scared.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Word got out
that we're investigating
Jessica's crystal shop.
Ever since then,
my phone's been blowing up.
A bunch of locals
are begging to meet
with me.
I've told them to meet me
at a local bar,
so they could tell me
what the hell's
going on in this town.
[indistinct conversation]
I own Victorian Moon
Antiques, uh, here
in downtown Flagstaff.
So I know you wanted
to talk to me
about some of the paranormal
stuff that's been going on.
Yeah. I see shadow figures
all the time.
So where are you seeing
these shadow figures?
I see them at my shop.
I see them at home.
I see them around town.
[Steve] The next thing I knew,
more and more people started
telling me they're seeing
things they can't explain.
I'm a bartender
in one of the breweries
here in town.
So what are you experiencing?
I'm seeing shadow figures
around town.
You getting any kind of vibe
off these shadow figures
you're seeing?
Um, well, it makes me anxious.
A little nervous.
Feels like there could be
some bad intent behind it.
[Steve] Now, seeing
shadow figures is one thing.
I get that a lot.
But what this local saw,
really surprised me.
I was in the basement
of the Downtown Diner.
And I saw a head.
-[Steve] Just a head?
-[woman] Just a head.
And it was just
kind of like a floating head?
Yeah. It didn't have anybody.
It had very, like,
pale-ish skin, had very long
dark hair, very big head.
And to me, it just had
a very eerie, whole presence
to its face.
So when you saw
this large head,
I mean, did you freeze
or what'd you do?
I looked at it
and I just ran away.
I ran right out of the diner.
I freaked out.
Okay.
[Amy] That strange looking
thing from the basement
goes all over town.
I'm trying to follow it.
It's telling me
it's here to help.
But I don't know
if I believe it.
[Matthew] Are people seeing
this any way?
[Amy] It can change
into any form
and has been mistaken
for other things.
And then, people are
freaking out.
A lot of panic.
[Steve]
I spent the whole night
at the bar,
with one local after another
coming by to tell
their bizarre stories.
[woman] I was at work once.
And the bathroom door
opened and slammed
just completely on its own.
So it really freaked me out.
[Steve] The more I heard,
the more concerned I got.
I run a tour company in town.
Ten years ago, I was spending
the night at one
of the hotels downtown,
and I woke up in the middle
of the night feeling
like I was being choked.
I was just gasping for air,
and I don't have asthma
or anything and I just
could not breathe.
Did you think
whatever it was,
was trying to k*ll you?
You know, I did.
[Steve] One thing is clear
to me.
Just about everyone
in Flagstaff is having
experiences.
And they're relieved
to finally get a chance
to talk about it.
I work at the local theater.
So you have experience
you wanna tell me about.
Uh, what do you have?
There's a dark energy
at the theater,
in the basement.
So, can you describe
this feeling for me?
Just feels angry,
like we're not wanted there.
So, with all the activity
that's going on
in town, do you think
somebody can get hurt?
I do.
[Amy] So that thing...
He says he comes in here
and he's helping people.
Oh, he's helping people
with the past, the present,
what's going on now.
What kind of time frame
are we talking about?
It says it's been here
forever.
It's not from the Earth.
Initially, when I saw it,
it was outside in the stars.
You know, I think
it's pretty immense.
-So, it's not just here.
-No, God no.
So does this thing operate
on a global scale?
[Amy] No. Just Flagstaff.
Mm-mm, no. It's this...
It's this area.
For sure, yeah.
[Steve] We were called in
to investigate activity
at a small family-run shop.
But it sounds to me
like the whole freaking town
is haunted.
So I don't like doing it,
but I've gotta break
the rules this time.
[Steve] Hey, thanks
for meeting with me.
I appreciate it.
So, [exhales sharply]
you know I haven't broken
protocol in years.
But we came to do
this one location
and people are coming
up to me one after the other
after the other,
telling me how
there's activity
throughout the whole downtown.
Yeah, I did get two things
that might be affecting
-the entire town.
-Really?
-[Amy] Yeah.
-So, I'm thinking,
if you're okay with it,
maybe we expand
our investigation
and do another walk.
-Okay.
-You down with that?
-Yeah. I'm absolutely open
to doing that.
-[Steve] All right. Cool.
Just be careful
'cause it sounds like
the whole freaking place
is haunted.
And you never know
what you're gonna
come up against.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] As soon as Amy and I
decide to expand
our investigation,
I got a call from a guy
who works at the Flagstaff
Visitor Center.
He heard I had been talking
to the locals
about the paranormal activity,
and said I have no idea
just how bad things are.
[Steve] So, Joshua,
when we spoke
on the phone,
you sounded pretty adamant
about talking to me.
Uh, what the hell's going on?
We're getting all kinds
of stories,
uh, from all the different
locations that we send
our visitors out to.
And some people are afraid
to work in certain places.
Some people may be afraid
to come visit us.
I hope you can figure out
what's here,
and what we can do
to keep everybody safe.
Have you had experiences
in town?
I have had, uh,
many experiences
here in town.
-You have?
-I have.
At the Visitor Center, uh,
we have a basement
and an attic.
It always feels like
someone's watching you.
Okay, so anything else?
We had a employee
at the Visitor Center
report getting locked
in the basement.
So what do you think
happened with this lock?
I've myself many times
have tried to debunk
how it would lock
from the inside.
And that door does not lock
from the inside.
I believe something
was holding the door closed.
It scared me pretty good.
[Steve]
It seems this entire town
is haunted.
Is there any other place
in town that sounds good
to check out?
A lot of stories, uh,
out of the Orpheum Theater.
[Steve] What are you hoping
we can do for you?
When people come here
and visit, we want them
to be safe.
You know, we really wanna
make sure that when
our guests come,
that we can send them out
to these places,
and there's nothing
that's going to attach
to them or go home with them.
[car door opens]
[Amy] I saw two things
on my first walk
that I believe are affecting
the entire town.
Tonight, I'm going to see
if that's really the case.
The same alien thing
that I got on my first walk,
showed up covered in leaves.
The flat looking shadow guy
is out here too.
[Matthew] What exactly
does he want?
He wants his places back.
[Matthew] What does that mean
to the living?
That he tries to get them out.
[Matthew] So he wants to get
everything back
that he had loaned?
Yes.
[Steve] Well, Susan.
Thanks for meeting with me.
I appreciate that.
So, [exhales sharply]
this is a really cool venue
you have here.
How old is this building?
-So, it was built
in .
-Wow.
-Okay.
-Operated
as a cinematic house.
And then,
in the winter of ,
due to a huge snowstorm,
the whole roof collapsed,
destroyed the building.
And so it had to be rebuilt
in .
So, I'm investigating
paranormal activity
throughout the whole downtown
area here.
Spoke to Joshua, and he said
you guys are having issues
as well. Is that true?
That is correct, yes.
Are there any experiences
you could tell me about?
Yeah, um, I tend to see
shadowy figures
from time to time.
I would see them
up in the curtains, and then
up into the balcony.
Okay, what do they look like?
They look human-like,
but more kind of shadowy
and moving quickly.
[Steve] Okay,
so anything else?
Sometimes, these lights
up in the truss would come on.
-[Steve] By themselves?
-[Susan] Yes.
Do you think somebody
broke in?
No [sighs]
because nobody would have
known how to turn them on.
-Okay.
-It's run through our
computerized lighting tracks.
So, it seems everywhere I go,
everybody's had
an experience.
-I mean, it sounds like
the whole town is haunted.
-Mmm-hmm.
-Do you think so?
-I definitely do.
I mean it has a long history,
and I've have heard
a lot of stories as well.
So I do think the town
has a haunted history
and culture.
[Amy] I'm seeing that woman
who's dressed
like a bride again.
Okay, so apparently
she spends a lot of time here.
So I'm getting
that she causes
a lot of problems
with people on the stage.
She... She... She... She...
She's very upset.
She does a lot
of bad things here.
She, uh, is climbing
on their backs.
I wonder, if they feel her,
uh... Literally a weight,
uh, uh, on their shoulders.
All of a sudden, feeling like
something really heavy
slammed onto them.
She can affect,
uh, electricity,
and she'll do it
on purpose to [bleeping] up.
I think if people see her,
they see her white,
misty [bleep]
and all this kind of stuff.
She kind of wants this
all to herself. ::. --] ::. align:right line:.%
[Steve] I understand
you used to work here.
I worked in the concession
stand at the front
of the building.
So I was talking to Susan,
that runs the place,
uh, and she thinks there's
a lot of activity here,
do you agree with that?
I do. I've definitely known
a lot of people who've had
some kind of experience here.
-Okay. And you as well?
-Me too. Yes.
I was about six months
pregnant, when I was working
here about years ago.
-[Steve] Okay.
-And I was moving, um,
some stuff
from one end of the building
to the other.
And something pushed me
from behind into a table.
Please tell me
you didn't get hurt.
I mean it hurt
when it happened,
but nothing happened
to, you know, my daughter
was fine.
-Everything was good? Okay.
-[Lisa] Yes.
-Hey, do me a favor and
show me how hard the push was.
-[Lisa] Okay.
-[Steve] Oh! Okay.
-[Lisa] Sorry.
When this happened,
what'd you do?
I ran outside
and started crying.
It felt like something
was trying to hurt me.
-So that was pretty
frightening for you.
-Yes.
Okay. Anything else?
Yeah, about a year and a half
ago, I came here
to see a show.
-Okay.
-My friend and I
were able to go backstage.
And as soon
as we got back there,
I had this feeling of,
we need to get out of here
like impending doom.
As soon as we left,
I felt fine.
-Obviously, you feel there's
paranormal activity here?
-Yes.
I think
the whole town's haunted.
How do you feel?
I agree with you %.
And in that time I've seen
people, good people,
do bad things.
So, what you're saying is
that the paranormal
in this town is actually...
-Could influence people?
-Yes, to do, like,
evil things.
Okay.
[Amy] Boo.
There's some good
dude up in here.
Wow, he's pissed, okay.
Ooh, Lordy.
With him and the living,
that's not a great thing.
They're feeling very anxious,
and very panicked.
Uh, but this is his anger,
this is how
they're interpreting
the anger.
I think people see him,
but it's just shadows
they hear.
Male shadow figure,
pretty big though.
He blows himself up,
so he gets really big.
Also, you can't breathe
around him.
Uh, that's something
with his death,
uh, when he was dying,
he couldn't breathe, [gasps].
He's like [gasps].
[exhales]
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Sam,
thanks for meeting
with me, I appreciate it.
From what I understand,
your hotel has activity here.
Uh, but before we get to that,
this is a beautiful spot.
You are the owner, right?
[Sam] Right, my husband
and myself.
I'm assuming you know
some history about the place.
What can you tell me?
It was built
by John Weatherford,
as a general store in ,
and then he turned it
into a hotel in .
John Weatherford also built
the Orpheum Theater
next door.
So, I just came from this,
this guy had a real mark
on this town.
Yeah.
So, let's get
to the paranormal.
Have you had any experiences?
I have.
A gentleman stayed
with us once, uh, and wrote me
and said that the...
He got up in the morning,
looked through the window
of the ballroom, and he saw
a waif-like,
female type character
float across the room.
Now, did you question the guy,
if it could have been
maybe a hotel guest
-or something like that?
-I did, I wrote him back.
-[Steve] Okay
-And it was too early
in the morning.
It couldn't even have been
the housekeeping.
Okay, any other guest
experiences you could
tell me about?
Yes, a former employee
uh, that stayed with us,
said she woke up in the middle
of the night and had a couple
sitting on her bed.
It startled her,
and before she knew it,
they got up and they walked
through the door.
-Through the door?
-Through the door.
I mean, I'm a pretty
hardcore guy,
I think that would scare
the [bleep] out of me.
[Amy] There are a lot
of dead here.
I'm seeing this guy
playing the piano.
He was showing me a girl,
uh, that would hang out
with him
when he would play the piano.
So, they may hear
females talking.
Like I'm just getting flashes
of them.
So, possibly people
would see like that,
these flashes, like,
of these women.
So, Chelsea, I understand, uh,
you're the general
manager here.
-I am.
-From what I've heard,
this place is kind of haunted.
Yeah, actually, growing up
in this building,
there were two dead people
I saw all the time.
Tell me about the first one.
Well, there's a girl
by the name of Matilda,
that I used to play with
all the time, upstairs.
Okay, was she nice to you?
Did you guys get along?
She was.
She was, um, a very light
presence, very kind.
-So, what about the other one?
-His name was Algernon.
And, he lived in the basement.
He had a bit of a dark
presence to him,
almost evil.
I knew there was something
bad about him.
Did they move on, you think?
No,
they're definitely still here.
Why do you say that?
[Chelsea] Right when we are
re-opening the Gopher Hole,
we were doing a lot
of construction down there.
-[Steve] Okay.
-And we might have upset him.
I was shining a glass
and, uh, another one sh*t off
the drink rack and hit
a mirror right behind me,
and I knew that was him.
This glass was directed
at you?
Right past my face.
So, did anything else
like that ever happen?
-Actually, there is a bottle
in this actual room.
-Okay.
Right up there
and it fell off the top
of that ledge.
Did you see it fall?
From, uh, security cameras,
after the fact.
You have that available for me
to look at?
[Chelsea] I actually do.
Oh! Jeez.
Ooh, you're lucky somebody
wasn't standing there.
Let me ask you a question.
Anybody else you think
I should talk to about,
what's going on here?
Well, you could talk to Nancy,
down the street at the diner.
-And she's the owner?
-[Chelsea] She is.
-Okay.
-Mmm-hmm.
From what I could tell during
my investigations,
it seems like this whole town
is haunted, do you agree
with that?
I definitely do.
I mean, it's the Wild West.
-[Steve] Yeah.
-There's a lot of history here
in Flagstaff.
[Amy] There's one male,
uh, who's here often.
I think he was, like,
some kind of manager, maybe,
like the...
...s or 's?
I think people see him
because I think
he does stuff.
I feel like he tries
to guide people.
Tries to influence
their actions,
if they work here.
So, I think, like, maybe
he might influence people
to, like,
you know, clean that table.
But if they don't do
what he wants,
he can lash out.
Uh, so, that's interesting.
So, Nancy, I got
to tell you this is a great
old-school diner.
You know, it reminds me of me
growing up in Brooklyn,
it just, has that look to it,
and the feel.
Um, how long have you owned
the place?
My family's had it
for over years.
How important
is this place to you?
It's everything to me,
it's part of my family.
Chelsea at the hotel says
you have paranormal
activity here.
Yes. Mmm-hmm.
So, do me a favor
and tell me about what
you're experiencing.
Well, one of the first things
that happened,
I was in the basement
and there was
someone sweeping.
And, I could see
the full motion of it.
[Steve] Okay, so
an apparition, I assume?
Absolutely,
because when I turned around
-thinking I was going to talk
to a coworker...
-[Steve] Right.
...there was no one there.
Is there anything else?
I was rolling silverware
right there.
Nobody near me.
And I felt, on my shoulder...
...two taps.
And I looked and I looked
and I literally
turned a circle
because I could not...
I have goosebumps.
I couldn't...
There was nobody there.
-So that freaked you out,
I can tell.
-[Nancy] Oh, yes.
-And, it couldn't have been
drops of heavy water coming...
-[laughing] No.
-[Steve] Okay.
-No. No.
And, that's why I tapped you.
I was tapped.
So, if something
could do that,
what else could it do?
[Nancy] Exactly.
It kind of made me realize
that there's a lot more here
than I knew.
[Amy] That thing is here.
-That thing and that man.
-[Matthew] What're
you talking about?
[Allan] The alien thing
and the other dude.
The flat-looking shadow guy.
Okay, they're trying
to pull me outside.
Okay, okay.
It's all about them.
I'm seeing another
dead person in here.
He's a big guy.
Uh, so, I guess
his name is Bill?
I kind of feel, like,
at some point he owned
this place.
He'll come up and start
talking to people.
Living people.
He does tend
to move things about.
Ah, he's pretty good at that.
So, that's not good.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] This is the first time
we've investigated
an entire town.
Obviously, I'm not going
to be able
to find out everything
that's ever happened here.
So, I thought I'd start
by getting an overview
of Flagstaff's history.
I'm meeting a local historian
who told me the city has
always been plagued
by tragedy and bloodshed.
[Steve] So, Dre thanks
for coming out and meeting
with me, I appreciate that.
And, this is Arizona,
we all got to assume
Native American history
is pretty big here.
Absolutely.
So, let me ask you a question,
when did the white settlers
get here?
'Round s is when, uh,
those settlers started kind of
coming into the region.
Okay, so obviously the tribes
get driven out. What happened?
So, from about to ,
uh, that year period
becomes what's known
as the Yavapai Wars.
And, that's the US Army coming
in and kicking out most
of the Native tribes here.
Uh, relocating them,
making room for white settlers
to come in.
Okay, so it had
to be pretty brutal, I assume.
Ultimately, in ,
February th,
becomes what's known
as Exodus Day.
And, uh, that begins
the Apache Trail of Tears
where they force out
around Native peoples,
marching them miles
across a winter desert.
Uh, b*ating them
with whips, with chains,
they don't wanna go,
they leave 'em to die
on the side of the road.
So basically
it's a death march.
So, how many d*ed out of that
and change?
-Roughly people lost
their lives in that.
-Wow.
That's like almost
a third, right?
Jeez.
Around there.
[Amy] I am seeing one,
single Native American male.
He has one feather.
And behind him,
are all shadow figures.
He indicates
that they're all women
and children.
He says they're buried
in the ground.
He says we need help.
[Steve] Okay, so now
the Native Americans
are forced out.
What happens next?
So, around , settlers
start coming to the area.
But the town would
never really flourish
until the railway
was actually established.
Uh, just cutting right
through the middle of town
in the early s.
But that, came at a cost
of its own.
Okay, so what do you mean
by that?
Well, you know, many different
accidents happened.
The worst happened
in the summer of ,
when, uh, some blasting powder
actually went off prematurely.
Okay, so, how bad
was this blast?
According to the article,
actually, I have here,
seven people d*ed
and three people were maimed.
Uh, they say that body parts
were actually raining down
from the sky
when that happened.
[Steve] So, when you said
on the phone
that this town is plagued
with bloodshed and tragedy,
you weren't kidding.
Unfortunately, not.
Okay.
[Amy] I don't like this.
There's a bunch of men
down there and they're...
...in a lot of pain.
Damn, man, there's gotta
be at least of 'em.
They're laborers.
They're hurting.
, .
I think that the, uh,
living might have experiences
with them.
I think if they're around
in that area, they might
feel a lot of the pain.
[Steve] Just about
any city's gonna
have its share of murders.
But it turns out
that Flagstaff has a really
violent past.
I'm on my way to meet
a local true crime author
who says she can prove
it to me.
[Steve] Now, Susan,
you mentioned on the phone
that you wrote a book
about some homicides in town.
Tell me about that.
That was one
of the saddest chapters
in Flagstaff's history.
.
Happened just down the street
from the Orpheum.
[Steve] So, I did
a lot of interviews
there yesterday.
People having a lot
of problems
with the paranormal activity.
-Hmm.
-So, who are the players
in this m*rder?
That would have been
the Walkup family.
Um, Marie Walkup, -year-old
mother of four children.
-Okay.
-And her husband, JD Walkup,
a politician
and a man-about-town.
Okay, so what happened?
It was July , ,
JD was down in Phoenix.
Sometime that night,
Marie Walkup went
to the bedrooms
of her children,
taking an icepick and stabbed
each one in the heart,
and then strangled them.
-Oh.
-After that, she washed
their bodies
and put them back in bed
and pulled the covers up
to their chins.
How old were these kids?
Well, here are
their death certificates.
Daniel was , Rose was seven.
John was four and a half,
and Elizabeth
was about months.
All right, any idea what would
cause her to do this?
Well, everybody
has a different theory.
Does seem like she might have
had some depression.
She was isolated.
Her husband was gone
quite a bit of the time
and she had four children.
And sometime that night,
Marie Walkup sat in her house,
and took a pen to paper
and wrote four notes.
One of those notes
was to her husband,
it was printed in the paper
the next day, and it said,
"'Cause of my lack
of discipline,
the children are better off
to go this way."
Oh.
"Only grief would come
to them.
You are strong in faith,
never doubting.
Mercy, mercy to my people.
I have loved you
and I have failed."
All right, so now we got four
dead kids, babies,
uh, in the home,
what happens with her?
Well, she went
into the closet,
she got her husband's old
Army r*fle,
laid the g*n up
with the muzzle
against her chest,
and used her big toe
to pull the trigger
and sh*t herself.
There's a article about it.
[Steve] All right, so she
wasn't of sound mind,
this woman, obviously.
To this day, this is one
of the most disturbing murders
in Flagstaff's history.
[Amy] That woman
who's dressed like a bride
is wandering around in here.
She said she d*ed
a long time ago.
I hear s,
but I don't know
if that's her age
or the year around she d*ed?
I kind of wanna say su1c1de,
I kind of got the feeling,
that she was kind of being
forced to live, uh, not
how she wanted to.
Like she wanted to be,
like, free, you know,
footloose and fancy-free
and that wasn't gonna happen.
[Matthew] She doesn't like
people in the space,
any reason?
She feels like it's hers
and she should be here
and they shouldn't.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Everyone out here
is seeing and hearing
strange stuff.
Now to me,
everything isn't paranormal.
Flagstaff is a mountain town,
it's , feet
above sea level.
Trust me, I feel it
every morning I'm here.
Now, from what
I've been reading,
mountain climbers sometimes
get hallucinations
from thin air.
So, I'm wondering
if that's what's
happening here.
I'm heading over to a doctor
who specializes
in altitude sickness,
and he's gonna put my theory
to the test.
[Steve] Well, Dr. Backhaus,
I appreciate you
helping me out
and meeting with me.
So my investigation in town,
I'm coming across
a ton of people
that are hearing things
and seeing things.
Now, this altitude
is kicking my ass.
Is it possible this altitude
could cause people
to see things?
Or hear things
that aren't there?
Yes, there are reports
of mountain climbers
who talk to people
that aren't even there.
Besides the hallucinations,
are there any other
side effects?
-Dizziness. It happens.
-Okay.
And then,
it could be confusion.
Okay, I've been here
a few days and I'm having
a couple of those myself.
-Yes.
-So, Doctor, I've brought
some witnesses
that I've spoken to,
who have been seeing
things and hearing things.
So, I understand you can run
a test,
to see if they're getting
hallucinations
from the altitude.
Yes.
The three test subjects
will be breathing in and out
of this altitude simulator. ::. --] ::. align:right line:.%
We'll start them
at , feet.
And if they're handling
it well,
we'll move them up
to , feet.
Yeah,
this is your blood oxygen
and this is your heart rate.
The first thing we'll test
is motor skills.
Oh.
Then, we'll test
their cognitive abilities.
Using flash cards,
we'll see if they're able
to select the word green.
Next, we'll see if they might
be having hallucinations.
I'll present them
with a mix of real people
and mannequins.
I'll ask them how many humans
they see.
[ticking]
All of them got it wrong.
Okay, so how'd these tests go?
Surprisingly,
with motor skills,
all three did well.
Okay, so what about
the second test?
For the cognitive skills,
two passed and one failed.
So, what about that last
perception test you did?
Well, the perception,
I was surprised.
All three failed.
They couldn't tell
the difference
between the humans
and the mannequins.
All right, so is it possible
from that last test you did
that they're not having
paranormal experiences
and it is the altitude?
No, the altitude here
is , feet.
-Okay.
-And two of the guys,
they had to go to , feet
for the changes to take place.
-Wow. That's high.
-Yes.
So, the tourists,
they think they're having
paranormal experiences,
but it might
just be the altitude.
Yes.
But, people that lived here
and are acclimated,
-there's no way
they're hallucinating.
-No.
Okay.
[Amy] This alien thing,
goes all over town.
It's a bit unusual to have
an alien
thing, running around.
Either in people's dreams,
or in their day-to-day
activities, telling them,
or showing them,
like, this or that's
going to happen.
This alien thing
can change forms
and people can see it
in a bunch of different ways.
[Matthew] Do you have
any idea why it shows itself
in different forms
to different people?
For those who can
see this thing,
it would come through
as something
that's positive
to that person.
[Amy] I saw a lot
of strange things
on my two walks,
but three really stood out.
First, the flat looking
shadow guy.
This man was super wrinkled.
Super, super thin.
Little, kind of baby nose.
Uh, baby lips.
Um, so the hair
is a lot thinner.
It's very wispy.
Next, I described the woman
who was dressed like a bride,
tormenting someone on stage
at the theater.
On the stage is, like,
one of the workers.
He was wearing a black shirt
with short sleeves.
There's a female
who is in a wedding dress.
She's on his back.
Her legs are over both
of his shoulders.
Describe her expression.
Her mouth, like, grew
really big
and she had, like, all these
jagged sharp teeth,
like, she was, like...
Finally, I described the angry
man in the theater
turning himself
into a huge shadow.
There was a male.
I saw his hands,
like, up in front of him.
Like whoa.
And he sees this huge
shadow figure.
Definitely a male,
you could tell.
Ridiculously broad shoulders
because this guy is, like,
really trying to intimidate
uh, this living guy.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Now that Amy
and I have completed
our own investigations,
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
and our clients
for the first time.
So, Amy, I want you
to meet Joshua.
He, uh, works
at the Visitor Center in town
and knows just
about everybody here.
Um, this is Nancy.
She owns and runs
a local diner
and it's been in her family
for over years, right?
Right, years.
And this, are the residents
of Flagstaff.
Got too many
to introduce you to,
but you'll be hearing
from some of them
during the night.
Some people think
that whatever's here
is harmless.
But others think it's pretty
dangerous for everybody.
One thing everybody agrees on,
place is haunted.
They're looking forward
to hearing what's here
and what they can do
about it, so they can
remain safe.
So, unless Amy's got
some questions for you,
she'll tell us about her walk.
[Amy] Before I talk
about the entire town,
I want to go over
the biggest things I got
at the different locations
I went in to.
The first building,
from the first night,
I walked in and I actually
encountered a male.
He's extremely ADHD.
Uh, so this guy was, like,
talking nonstop,
moving around nonstop,
fussing with everything.
When he's doing that,
often, he does moves objects.
Because of his energy,
I got a really sharp
uh, headache.
And I'm curious, if anybody
up in that area has
had that kind of
experience as well,
with having sudden headaches.
And he also tries
to interact with people often
because he's a very touchy,
feely guy.
I was curious if people
had experienced
feeling like they're being
touched on the back,
on the arm, patted,
things like that.
Okay, well, that first
location you went to was, uh,
the crystal shop in town.
Uh, I know everything
was covered up,
um, while, when
you were there,
but I want to show you
what it looks like, when
it's not covered up.
[Amy] Interesting.
So, I want you to meet
the owner,
uh, it's Jessica,
she's right there.
Could you raise
your hand Jessica?
Hi.
I want to talk about some
stuff, we, uh, spoke about
in our interview.
So, whenever I call
on someone,
just head
to that table in the back
with the microphone.
Amy talked about the migraine,
can you tell Amy
about your migraine?
I never get migraines ever,
um, and right before you guys
got here,
um, for about two days,
I was getting these
really sharp migraines,
that would basically hit me,
as soon as I walked
in the door.
And then they started fading
away when I left for the day.
She mentioned
things getting...
...moved around. [chuckles]
We have stuff flying off
the shelf on a weekly basis.
Um, we've also had
experiences where,
um, it just looks
like somebody just swept
everything off of a shelf.
Jordan, can you do me a favor?
I'd like you to go up there.
I wanna talk about something.
Jordan works
at the crystal shop too.
Can you describe to Amy
what happened
when you were vacuuming
and got tugged.
[Jordan] So, I was vacuuming
one night
and I went to pull it back
and it was like, there
was resistance on the hose.
As if someone was holding it,
so I couldn't vacuum.
And there was nothing
that it caught on?
Nothing like that?
Yeah, it was over wood floor,
so it's not like it was
getting stuck on carpet.
There were no kinks
in the tubing.
Think that's that guy?
Yeah.
[Steve] Okay, so,
what else happened?
[Amy] The next walk...
Night, I started right here.
In the theater.
It was, like,
completely engulfed by rage.
And it was coming
from this dead guy.
He's extremely intense.
He doesn't want
to be disrespected,
or challenged in any way,
shape or form.
I didn't particularly
care for him,
and I felt like it was
a possibility
that people would,
uh, potentially feel a sudden
onset of panic back there.
Is Lisa out here?
So, this is, Lisa.
Um, she used to work here.
Do me a favor,
just tell her about
what you were feeling
in the back, that time.
My friend and I were here.
We were hanging out
with the band backstage,
after the show.
And we were
kind of right between
where the couches are
and where the stage is.
-[Amy] Yeah.
-And I was like,
we need to go, now.
We need to leave now.
-You described it, as what?
Impending doom?
-[Lisa] Yeah.
And then,
as soon as we did leave,
um, I didn't have
that feeling anymore.
Does he do anything else?
[Amy] Yes.
Then, I was suddenly inside
the body of a male.
A living person.
And, whoever this guy is,
the dead dude
does not like him.
And he comes in and engulfs
the entire room
as, like, this huge,
black, mass of a man,
uh, trying to intimidate
this living male.
I did have a sketch done
of being inside
that living male's body
and seeing what he saw.
[Steve] Hmm.
It's interesting.
So, this is what he portrays
himself as?
[Amy] Mmm.
Yeah, take a look
at that, guys.
I have...
Kind of got chills
all over my body right now.
[Steve] Joshua, I mean,
you noticed some stuff
going on here.
Does this surprise you?
Honestly, no.
It feels familiar.
[Steve] Hey, Susan. You here?
There she is.
Hi, I'm Susan,
with the Orpheum.
[Amy] Hi.
So, Sue, when she...
...talked about the shadows,
you mentioned that to me.
Do you mind describing
it to Amy, for her?
When I first started
working here,
every so often, when I would
walk from the back,
I felt like up in the curtains
I would see more
of a shadowy mass,
not defined
and there was no interaction.
You didn't get a good feeling
off of it, though.
No.
That sound like him?
Yes.
[Steve] Okay, so what's next?
[Amy] Then, I'm walking
up the street.
And there's, like, a railing.
so I just stopped
and looked down.
And there was, like,
all these men
who were being mistreated.
And here's what that part
of the walk looked like.
[Amy] I don't like this.
There's a bunch of men
down there.
And they're...
...in a lot of pain.
Damn, man. There's got to be
at least of them.
They're laborers.
They're hurting.
, .
[Steve] So, dead laborers
who were mistreated
around the s.
Think I have a pretty good
idea who you saw.
Now in , Flagstaff began
building a railway system.
And there were quite
a few accidents,
but the worst one happened
in .
That's when some black powder
exploded while men
were building a tunnel.
Uh, seven of the men
were k*lled.
And, uh, three were maimed.
Oh [bleep].
[Steve] It was so bad,
the expert I spoke to,
said that body parts
were actually raining
from the sky.
Now, do you think those
railway workers
are who you might have seen?
Yeah.
[Steve] What happened next?
So, I went into this hotel.
Lots of dead people.
The first thing
that I really noticed
was hearing piano music.
And it was coming
from upstairs.
So, I went up the stairs
and then, there was
this dead guy there.
Then, I saw some women.
And they were all, like,
chit-chatting.
Then, I went downstairs,
into... I don't know,
a restaurant or something.
There was a guy there,
who used to be
a business manager,
I think he kept
calling himself.
And this would have been,
maybe, in the 's or 's.
He was super solid as well.
The living may see him.
And he does get annoyed
when people are not doing
the proper things.
[Steve] So, Amy,
the place is called
The Weatherford Hotel.
You mentioned
that the dead guy might
get annoyed with the living.
Now, I want you
to meet Chelsea.
She runs the place.
Chelsea, tell Amy
about the bottle flying.
In the same area,
down in The Gopher Hole,
I was shining a glass.
All of a sudden,
another flute sh*t
right in front of my face,
hit the mirror in the back bar
and shattered.
Another time,
there is a shelf
right above the bar.
It's, um, very flush,
there's no reason
why anything would fall
off of it.
And the bottle
was actually tucked back
towards the wall area.
And, um, it had fallen over
and it almost hit the server
which was there probably
a minute before.
[Amy] Oops.
-See it?
-Ah-ha.
The business manager,
do you think that's the one
that threw the bottle?
Yeah, that's the most
active [bleep] place
I walked tonight.
-Wow.
-[Amy] The hotel.
[Steve] Okay, so what's next?
[Amy] So then, I left
and I went to the diner.
And there was only
one dead guy that I met.
Very, very present.
Uh, very solid.
I got that his name
was something like Bill.
And I think he may have owned
the business at some point.
He does tend to move
things around.
So, going through the deeds
for your place,
I found that your diner
was De Noel's Bakery
from to .
The guy who ran it
from the 's
and to the close
-was Bob Noel.
-Ah.
[Steve] Now you said he moves
things around.
Nancy, I want you to tell Amy
about the sweeper.
[Nancy] I was in the basement
of the diner.
And I felt someone
behind me sweeping the floor.
-Hmm.
-[Nancy] And I could see
the motion of it.
And I turned around to talk
to them,
and there was nobody there.
Have you seen any
other movements or...
[Nancy] I've seen things,
we've had things move...
Is it possible the previous
former guy that owned
the place, Bob Noel?
[Amy] Yeah.
It's his place.
You're cool with him
staying, right?
-I mean...
-[audience murmuring]
'Cause he really
wants to stay.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
Now, I'm going
to talk about...
...things that kind of
affect the entire town.
There are three things.
I'll start off
with the dead woman.
I called her the bride,
uh, because she's wearing
a wedding dress.
And she was on both
of my walks.
And she does travel around.
But, her favorite place,
is here.
The problem with her
is that she can jump people.
That is not good
because the person
can lose control
for seconds to minutes
over their body.
And when she gets annoyed,
she'll screw things up,
uh, with electricity.
She's really good at that.
So, we'll start
with the electricity.
Susan, can you explain
to Amy what's going on?
I would come in once
every week
and two very high up lights
in our lighting tracks
would be on.
And, they're not lights
that you can turn on
with a switch.
And I would bring
in my production guys,
have them look at it
and no explanation.
[Steve] Now, Amy,
you mentioned
she can jump people.
Lisa, remember
when we discussed
about people not acting
the way they should?
-Yes.
-Tell that to Amy.
I have seen and experienced
people doing things that
[inhales]
I would not think
is in their character.
And very... bad things.
Can I have one example?
Sure, I mean, I can give two.
And both have to do
with people that I work with
stabbing other people.
[bleep]
So, is that something
that could be tied
into her jumping people?
Yes, yes.
[Steve] So this bride,
does she do anything else?
She really likes it up here
and, uh, this is what I got.
So I'm getting that she causes
a lot of problems
with people on the stage.
She... She... She... She...
She's very upset.
She doesn't wanna go anywhere.
Uh, she likes it here.
She does a lot
of bad things here.
She, uh,
is climbing on their backs.
I wonder if they feel, uh,
literally a weight,
uh, on their shoulders
all of a sudden.
Feeling like something
really heavy
slammed on to them.
And I had a sketch
done of what I saw.
That's [bleep] up.
[Nancy] Horrible.
[Joshua] The legs
over the shoulders,
that it's fully over,
as you said.
That's [bleep] up.
So Amy I brought Lisa back up.
[clears throat]
I want her to talk
about what I consider
a violent incident.
So this was about years ago
and I worked here.
And I was
about six months pregnant.
Something pushed me
from behind
and I kind of, like.
slammed into one
of the high top tables.
-Okay.
-She did demonstrate on me.
I'm the lightweight,
obviously, we know.
-Yeah.
-[Steve] And...
...she gave me a jolt.
What are you thinking?
Ah, it could be a woman.
[Steve] So, you said
there were
three things, right?
-[Amy] Yeah.
-[Steve] So
what's the second?
[Amy] This is...
...where it gets
a little different.
So, I initially
was calling it a thing.
This was never human
and it was not
from this Earth.
It's all over town.
It's been here
for an extremely long time.
On the first night when I was
in the basement of the shop,
I saw it coming and going
down there through the walls.
So, it kind of travels
around town
underground, I guess.
It can show itself
to people in different ways.
I just wanna get Ari up there.
Hi, I'm Ari.
I'm a Flagstaff local.
-Didn't you tell me
about a face?
-[Ari] Yeah.
I was in the basement
of the downtown diner
and in the corner of it
I saw a very grey, long,
disheveled face.
It had no body.
It gave me a very big sense
of dread.
[Amy] Here's the thing.
According to this thing,
it's not trying
to scare people,
it's trying to comfort them.
So, it can
give them information
about the future,
but I'm skeptical
about it myself.
We've worked together
more than years now
and that's one
of the stranger things
you've ever run into.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
All right, so how would this
affect regular people
in the town.
[Amy] People would have
really clear,
you know, visions
or hearing something
talking about a future event
or something of that nature.
It's weird to me that
you would say that there...
This thing is giving us,
like, glimpses of the future
because I've definitely
had experiences
where I've had a dream
and it wasn't something
that happened to me
in the past
but all of a sudden
it became something
that came to fruition.
Oh.
My concern was
if it was, like,
harming people in a way.
Uh, but it...
From what you're saying,
it wouldn't seem that way.
Anybody else dreaming?
[sighs]
My name is Kimberly
and I'm a Flagstaff local.
I actually had a dream
last month that ended up
coming true.
Um, I had misplaced
my grandmother's ring
which she passed
a couple of years ago.
So, it means a lot to me
and uh, I had a dream
that basically was like...
Your ring is here in this room
and it just, like, showed me
the exact area and, uh,
I went to that spot
and sure enough it was there.
-That's positive.
-[Steve] Glad you found it.
Yeah.
[Amy] Well,
now I'm re-evaluating.
All right,
maybe he's not a bad guy.
You guys know
this town is , feet up
and it's k*lling me.
I mean I'm having
a tough time here.
So I was actually reading
about mountain climbers
sometimes seeing apparitions
because they get disoriented
from the low oxygen.
So I got three towns people
seeing weird stuff
to take an altitude test.
We showed them a mix
of humans and mannequins
and asked them
to identify the real people.
All of them got it wrong.
We were simulating
a much higher altitude.
So, what the test proved
is it's possible
tourists are actually
seeing things.
But this doesn't explain
what the locals
are experiencing
because they're adjusted
to the altitude.
That's interesting though.
I like that study,
that's cool.
So, um, Amy, you mentioned
this thing goes
through walkways,
down in the basement.
So, you should know
there's a series of tunnels
that run underneath the city.
There have been
a lot of weird rumors
about what happened
in these tunnels.
But I spoke to a woman
who directed a documentary
on the tunnels.
Now, she set
the record straight.
They were built in the s.
The smaller ones
were used to steam heat
for the businesses downtown.
Now the larger ones
we used as passage ways
between the buildings.
These tunnels are a big part
of Flagstaff lore.
I wanted to go
check 'em out myself
but most of them
are now boarded up.
Huh, interesting.
[Steve] Now you said
there were three things
that concern you in the town.
We got the bride,
we got the thing.
What else?
I'm definitely worried
about this guy.
He was super present
on the first walk
in the basement
of the shop.
I got that he was
one of the original owners
of this land or town.
The thing is,
is that he still believes
that this is his town.
I put him maybe
in the mid-s.
I heard a name, uh, like Jack.
Uh, and I got that he...
...I think d*ed
from some kind of disease.
Okay, so what you're saying
is making me think
about one
of the original owners
of Jessica's property.
His name wasn't Jack,
but it's close.
His name was James Vail.
Mmm, oh, interesting.
Now Karen,
a local professor, uh,
told me about this story.
He started off in Flagstaff
as a bartender at a saloon,
uh, where Jessica's
store sits now.
Vail was a pretty smart
businessman
and wind up owning the bar
few years later.
In the s,
he bought the building
and added a brothel.
This is a photo
of what that looked
like back then.
So Vail was making
so much money,
he started buying
property all over the town
that he used
for cattle ranching.
We're talking
about acres.
But in , Vail suffered
a life changing accident
in one of his ranches.
Uh, he was run over by a wagon
and nearly lost his life.
Ooh.
Vail never recovered
and he was crippled
and in terrible pain.
Mmm.
Apparently it
was too much for him.
And on April rd, ,
Vail put a g*n to his head
and pulled the trigger.
-Oh, damn.
-[Steve] Yeah.
[Amy] How old was he
when he d*ed?
[Steve] Vail was years old
when he k*lled himself.
-Really?
-[Steve] Yeah.
Could James Vail
be this dead guy you saw?
Yeah, I mean
I see a lot of the boxes
being, like checked.
She said you were worried
about this guy, but why?
[Amy] Well he goes all over...
When he was alive,
uh, one of the things
that I saw him doing
was actually
eating a human heart.
[crowd gasping]
[Amy] When I went
into the basement,
I saw him again and...
He likes to be
alone down there
and he'll get really pissed
when people inv*de his space.
He can, uh, push people.
The living would see him
as a flat looking
shadow type figure.
When he's in this area,
he likes to hang
out down here.
And he like, plots and plans.
He's writing out names
of people he hates,
people he wants to do harm to.
That's what he does.
He does that wide circling,
wide circling.
And I think this might be
one of the [bleep] places.
Now let's talk
about the basement.
Uh, everyone
at Jessica's store hates,
hates the basement.
Hates it down there.
So Jessica,
do me a favor and, uh,
describe the black shadow,
um, you saw in the basement?
So, I was walking,
you know, from one end
of the basement to the other,
and out of the corner
of my eye,
I saw, like, a big shadow
that was kind of,
like, going by me.
This is Jordan,
you remember from before,
she works at the shop.
Hi.
When I was downstairs
in the basement,
there was a big black shadow
right behind me.
It didn't feel humanoid to me,
but it was
very threatening feeling.
Mmm, okay.
He does take people's energy
and makes them sick.
Some people that he
hones in on,
uh, he can follow them home
and make them sicker.
Where's Adalyn?
I'm Adalyn and I work
at the crystal shop as well.
Hi.
Adalyn, didn't you tell me
you got sick down there?
[Adalyn] Yes.
Every now and again
whenever I go downstairs
which is pretty frequent,
sometimes I get a feeling
of just, like, dread
in my stomach
or, um,
just, like, something
doesn't want me there.
Didn't you tell me
your biggest fear
was that something would...
Might follow you home?
[Adalyn] Yeah.
I would just get nervous
that it would get,
like, attached
or something like that.
Should she be worried?
This guy,
yeah, he can go places.
He tends to,
like, fixate on people
who are prone to illnesses.
So, I also had a sketch done
of what I saw.
Creepy looking son of a bitch.
Take a look at that.
-[Nancy] Very scary.
-Yeah.
And he's the one
you said goes
all around town?
Yeah, he likes
to make people sick.
He definitely looks
like some old mogul guy.
This reminds me of like...
I don't know, Scrooge.
What does this guy want
from everybody in town?
Everything he owned
he wants it back.
I was actually
seeing these people.
That he's writing down
their names and going there,
going there.
Gonna take them down.
Gonna [bleep] him up.
This makes me feel horrible.
I wanna know my name's
not on that paper
and I wanna know
how can I be safe
from being on that paper.
[indistinct whispering]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, I know
everyone here
is passionate about this city
and I can understand why.
Flagstaff is beautiful.
But after what
we've heard tonight,
there's clearly a problem.
So what's it gonna take
to make this place safe?
For that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
[Amy] For the crystal shop,
the first person
I would really like
to see moved on
is the ADHD guy.
The best bet
would be having a younger
male medium.
Maybe in his early s.
Just so he can have a bond
with that male.
I think that would go
really smoothly.
Then we have this location
with the angry male.
I believe that
a motherly female type
who is a medium
would be able
to move him on.
As far as the laborers,
honestly, they need
some more time
to kind of
work out their [bleep].
I know it sucks
'cause they are
in a lot of pain
but they're not
completely aware
that they're deceased.
So leave the guys alone.
-Yes.
-They're working
through things.
All right, so any advice
for the hotel?
[Amy] Upstairs,
what would be really great
is maybe having
a couple of mediums
come through and sit down
with these various dead
who want to talk.
Because there's
a lot of dead there
who would love
to tell their stories.
A lot of them,
once they do that
will automatically
be able to move on.
[Steve] All right,
now what about the guy
at Nancy's diner.
-He's good to go?
-Oh, he's awesome,
I mean...
I like him.
He's a good guy.
So you don't
have to do anything.
He doesn't wanna leave,
so and you're cool.
So, that's good.
[Steve] Okay, now how
about the things
that are affecting
the whole town?
As far as the thing goes,
is that okay?
Personally,
I'm still one the fence
about the whole thing.
But, it seems to be positive.
So, let's just monitor
the situation,
but we'll leave him alone
for now.
[Steve] Okay.
What about the bride?
With the bride
who's potentially
a big [bleep] problem.
I would like to get kind of
brutal with her
and bring in a
female demonologist
who's going to, uh,
exorcise her.
So any particular
location for that though?
-Here since this is
her favorite spot.
-[Steve] Okay
[Steve] Now
the shadow guy seems
to be the biggest issue.
What are we gonna
do about him?
I want to have
a male demonologist
and a shaman coming at him
at the same time
in the basement
of the crystal place.
By going at him
with both of these,
uh, people
he will be contained
and removed.
It sounds like if the bride
and the two guys are gone,
things should be
a little better here?
Yeah, that'll be good.
So, Chelsea,
you heard what Amy said.
Uh, you gonna follow
her advice at all?
-Of course, yeah.
-[Steve] Okay.
Jessica, you're the reason
we're in town.
I mean you called
for help originally.
Uh, it seems like you got
the most problems
in that basement.
Yeah.
Are you gonna follow up
with some
of Amy's suggestions?
Well, absolutely.
Were you shocked at all
or surprised by what
you heard?
Absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, kind of
floored actually.
So, Susan, you got a couple
of bad guys here.
Yeah it's definitely
a surprise, honestly,
and definitely worrisome
on a energetic level.
Well, better to get
her out of here
before she closes her palm
on a group you got here or...
Yeah, it's not what
we wanna be known for.
-That's for sure.
-[Steve] Yeah.
Well, some of you thought
whatever she is no big deal
and some of you
thought it was a problem,
it could be dangerous.
Obviously,
it's a little bit of both,
but more dangerous
than we thought.
But now we've got a gameplan
and hopefully you guys will
go through with it.
So, we appreciate you, uh,
allowing us to come into town
and doing this investigation.
I hope everybody's
happy with it.
Yes.
Yeah.
Thank you so much
for having us
and, uh, hopefully things
will work out.
[Amy] This was
a very unique case.
Steve and I have never
investigated an entire
town before.
But I was glad we were able
to give the people
of Flagstaff
some good news.
If they follow my advice,
this town will be a lot safer
for the people who live, work
and visit here.