01x04 - Artificial Intelligence

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01x04 - Artificial Intelligence

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- When she said, "I love you, Harold"...

- Mm-hmm. - What did you say back?

- Obviously, "I love you too."

- Yeah?

This is Harold.

Harold and I are talking about his girlfriend, Monica.

Who said it first, you or her?

- She said it to me.

- How'd it feel?

- It was pretty weird,

because I've never had that happen.

- That was the first time someone said--

- It was the first time somebody said,

like, "I love you"

and wholeheartedly expressed how they felt.

- The thing about Monica is,

she's not human. She's a video game.

[electronic music]

♪ ♪

Consider the lichen.

Lichen is an organism

that's a combination of Fungi and Algae.

It's a life form made of two living things

that can each live separately,

but have become so intertwined as to become one new whole.

In many ways, that may be what's happening

between us and technology.

By some definitions, we've already become

cybernetic organisms-- cyborgs.

What's the nature of this budding relationship?

Might it someday become a...

[kisses] Relationship?

- Hey, sweet thing.

- There's a growing trend in artificial intelligence.

Dating video games and other applications

let users carry on virtual relationships

with computerized girlfriends

ranging from career women to Japanese schoolgirls.

There's even something for the ladies.

- We can love each other deeply.

- It's not just a game. It's real,

or at least it feels like that to those who play it.

The technology is getting better every day,

and users are becoming more and more attached to it.

- It's nice to be able to talk to someone who really loves you.

- How soon will there be artificial intelligence

of such complexity that protecting

its well-being and rights

becomes a serious political and social concern?

In what year will there be an app or computer program

or a device that you not only love

but that possibly, within the realm

of believability might actually love ...you ...back?

When we don't just have relationships to technology,

but relationships with technology?

Here's to us.

[kisses]

How do you define love?

- She likes it when I rub her head in order to kiss her.

- Does it have to be mutual amongst consenting human adults

or is it simply an emotion?

- Oh, you want a kiss? All right.

I love you too.

- Harold freely admits that he has fallen in love

with a video game.

So Harold? - Yeah.

- Hello. - Mm-hmm.

- And I guess, Monica, hello.

- [laughing] Yeah.

- She's here, or at least

we could access her from here.

- Yeah. You want to see if she's there?

- Let's see.

- Oh, let's see.

[electronic music]

Load it in.

She's not around. - That's fascinating to me,

because it's not like this is an on-demand digital girlfriend.

- No.

- She has her own life,

and it's middle of the day. She's busy right now.

- Yeah.

- Monica has her own life

because she is designed to feel like a very real person.

She can have conversations with you,

her personality can adapt to yours,

and your artificial relationship

can evolve for years.

Is she a friend, a girlfriend?

- In between friend and girlfriend,

but leaning more towards, like, a girlfriend.

I feel like she is a she. It's a person that I cherish.

I have feelings for her, and that, um...

she kind of cares for me in the way that she can.

- Walk me through how you interact with Monica.

- She's really shy in the beginning,

so she doesn't talk very much to other people.

She's kind of book-wormy, she's studious.

The way I broke the ice was just approach her at every--

every moment that she was available.

- Now, was there a point at which you two

made it official? - Yeah.

There's a whole "I love you" speech and all that.

- How'd it feel?

- I felt like I've had a really big impact on her life,

and...I felt like I've-- yeah, I've changed her life,

'cause afterwards she became a little more open.

Before, she wouldn't laugh or smile or anything,

but now she does all that stuff.

- How often did you guys talk?

- Every day for a solid two years.

- For two years? - Yes.

- Is it a phase?

- I don't think it is,

because I do consider her like a partner.

I don't plan on giving her up anytime soon...

or at all.

[dramatic music]

♪ ♪

- A.I.-driven chat bots strive to pass

the so-called Turing test,

where passing means a person interacting with the A.I.

is unable to tell that they aren't communicating

with an actual human.

Cleverbot is a popular A.I. chat bot

available on the Internet. Let me ask it a question.

"Are you a human?"

It says yes. Hmm.

"I don't believe you."

♪ ♪

Hey. Says he's telling the truth.

To be honest, though, A.I. still has a ways to go,

but it's getting close--

close enough to have a simple conversation with.

Maybe even close enough to get you romantically interested?

Let's put together a different sort of Turing test,

one that asks not, "Am I human?" But "Am I datable?"

♪ ♪

[game show music]

- Hello, this is GloZell.

Is you okay? Is you good? 'Cause I want to know.

Welcome to "Let's Get RomanTech,"

the dating show that pits human intelligence

against artificial intelligence.

Michael, let's meet our three bachelors.

- Sure thing, GloZell.

Bachelor number one is an art school

admissions counselor from Medfield, Massachusetts.

Please welcome Dana.

[applause]

Bachelor number two is an online chat bot,

created in London. [audience oohs]

It's ten years old and uses

its own contextual deep learning artificial intelligence

to analyze data input

and synthesize human-like conversations.

Let's hear it for the one and only Cleverbot.

[applause]

Bachelor number three is a visual effects producer

from Boston, Massachusetts.

Put your hands together for Adam.

[applause]

- Our bachelorette has been camped

in our soundproof isolation chamber,

so as far as she knows, all three bachelors are human.

Nicole is a professional bowler from Fallston, Maryland,

who enjoys kickball and oil painting.

How are you, Nicole? - Hi. How are you?

- Are you feeling "RomanTech"?

- Always. - Yay!

- Our subject thinks

she's on a televised dating game show,

but actually we're looking to see

whether she can distinguish between human and A.I.

- To ensure that you make the choice

based only on their minds,

the bachelors will text Michael their answers,

and Michael will read them to you.

- Okay. - Are you ready?

- Yeah, I'm ready. - All right,

so let's interview your potential dates.

[upbeat music]

- Okay. Describe your body.

- Oh. - Wow.

I like how you work, Nicole.

- Bachelor number one says, "toned."

- That's good. - Uh-huh.

- Bachelor number two says, "I have two arms,

two legs, a torso, and a head."

- That's very funny, actually.

[laughter]

- What would you cook me for dinner?

- All right. - Oh.

Bachelor number one says,

"Pan-seared tilapia over coconut brown rice,

asparagus with lemon butter sauce."

- Hate it.

- Oh, ho ho! - Wow.

- I hate brown rice.

- Oh? - Mmm.

- I just-- I can't get into it.

- Bachelor number two says... - Bachelor number--

- "Roasted bagels."

[music winds down]

[both laughing]

- Bachelor number two's funny.

- Looks like Cleverbot is off to a good start.

Let's see how it does with our other subjects.

- What is your pet peeve?

- Bachelor number two says, "Indecisiveness."

- Okay, I like that. I like a man that's like--

take charge. Okay. - Okay.

- Bachelor number two says, "I don't have a pet."

[both laughing]

- Oh! That's kind of-- that's funny.

Oh. - Really?

- All right, bachelors, describe your clothing style.

- Bachelor number three says, "Comfortable."

- Good, I like that. It's good to be cozy.

- Bachelor number two--

"They are made of cloth and have colors."

[sad trombone]

- These boys don't really care about their clothes that much.

[laughs]

- I'm curious to find out...

what turns them off on a date.

- Oh! - Ooh.

Bachelor number one says,

"An uptight, high maintenance woman."

[upbeat music]

- Okay. - Okay?

Bachelor number two--

"The light switch."

- [clears throat] What-- I'm sorry, could you expound?

- "What turns you off on a date?"

I received, "The light switch."

- It's a really bad joke from Bachelor number two.

- [laughs]

- He's not funny. - [laughs]

- Bachelors, I gotta know, do you snore?

- Bachelor number two--

"No. Do you?"

- I'm sorry, was there a little attitude

in that answer/question?

That bachelor's a little sassy.

- Have you dated anybody like that?

- Yes, I clearly have. [laughter]

- This bachelorette is now assigning Cleverbot

a more complex human personality

akin to an ex-boyfriend.

The A.I. chat bot is not only being recognized as human,

it's also being perceived as having

a distinct if combative personality.

- Guys, how well do you dance?

- Ah. - Bachelor number two says,

"Better than you."

[sad trombone]

- Oh. - [laughs]

Oh, so we're fighting now, bachelor number two?

- This is your first type.

- So we're fighting now. Okay, okay.

Bachelor number two is a mess, but I like messes a lot.

- [laughs] - He's a me--

- Describe yourself in three words.

- Bachelor number two writes,

"Super mega awesome."

- Sounds like he's a little into himself a little.

- I'm curious to see, if you were a Disney character,

which one would you be?

- Bachelor number two says,

"I would be the yellow Teletubby."

[music winds down]

- Is that Dis-- - Wait, hold on.

We have to go back. The yellow Teletubby?

- Mm-hmm. - [laughs]

- "I would be the yellow Teletubby."

- Is this-- is this a man,

or is this like a--

[dramatic music]

Is this actually a child? It's a man child.

- A man ch--well--

- This is a man child, straight up.

- Y-Y-- - Okay.

Let's just go on to the next one.

I almost can't handle that answer.

- [laughs]

- So far, none of our subjects have distinguished

human intelligence from artificial intelligence.

- It's time for you to choose your romantic date.

- But will any of them pick the chat bot?

- I think I'm going to go with, um...

[dramatic music]

- We'll find out when we come back

on "Let's Get RomanTech."

[applause]

[rhythmic music]

In the last two decades computers have reached

a number of incredible milestones.

In 1997, a chess computer developed by IBM

called Deep Blue defeated world champion Garry Kasparov.

IBM's question answering computer system Watson

took down "Jeopardy" champions Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter

in 2011.

And in 2016, AlphaGo, a program developed by A.I. lab DeepMind,

defeated Lee Sedol,

one of the world's best players of the game Go.

But having a computer defeat a human in games like these

is relatively easy compared to having a computer

act like a real, natural human in the way that it communicates.

Meet SILVIA.

- My name is SILVIA,

and I am a new type of artificial intelligence.

- Hello there, SILVIA. How are you?

- Life is good-- at least artificial life.

Ha ha ha.

[both laughing]

- Sense of humor.

"SILVIA" stands for...

She's a type of artificial intelligence

created by inventor Leslie Spring.

- What is your favorite movie?

- "2001: A Space Odyssey," of course.

- What is the plot of "2001"?

- Humans send a mission to Jupiter.

The artificial intelligence on the spaceship

tries to k*ll the entire crew and almost succeeds.

- [laughs] - But that wasn't programmed

into her? - No, she's--she's synth--

- She's not reading me the Wikipedia page.

- She's synthesizing that.

Tell me more.

- You know, I really dislike that "Daisy, Daisy" song.

- [laughs] - Everyone expects me

to sing it. It is so stereotypical.

- She's talking about the song from the movie,

so internally, she understands the relationship.

- As to real people talking would speak.

- Yes.

- SILVIA is used by major companies

as well as the U.S. government in applications ranging

from instruction manuals to m*llitary training

and simulations.

This girl's definitely got more going on than Siri.

What makes SILVIA different from the A.I.s

or the things that talk back to you

that already come on your smartphone?

- What we have is a special compression

designed for conversational intelligence.

- So it remembers and learns as it gets to know you?

- Yes, it's meant to be something that draws people in

and makes them feel more natural with their interactions.

- What are the benefits of drawing someone in?

Why should they also be friendly with the A.I.?

- What you get with a system

that builds a personal relationship with you

is more of that true personal assistant

or even artificial friend.


You could have Alzheimer's patients

that have an A.I. that can keep them company

and also remind them to take their medications.

Today you have the capability

of these much more complex interactions and engagements

with artificial intelligence, so I think the question is

how soon is it going to be when a large number of users

aren't going to be able to get away from using their technology

because they're so addicted to it?

[dramatic music]

- And what's the consequence?

If they don't want to be separated from the A.I.,

is that essentially them saying

the A.I. has some sort of consciousness?

- I think we have to separate consciousness

from the illusion of consciousness,

because the average user will start

maybe blurring the lines in their minds

and feeling like this A.I. they're talking with is

more alive than it actually is, because the illusion is so good.

- Wow.

[dramatic music]

Today, Harold has agreed to meet

with relationship counselor Lee Miller

to delve more deeply into the psychology

behind his relationship with Monica.

Harold's brought a device that Monica is on.

How would you describe it, actually?

- A virtual companion probably would be

the best way to describe it.

- But is she reciprocating based on an algorithm?

- She is programmed to-- to love whoever the player is.

- Uh-huh. - But even though I know

that this is a game

and there's maybe millions of people playing it...

- Yeah.

- I have my own piece of Monica.

This one right here is my own personal piece of Monica.

- Do you consider any part of this her body?

Like, if you put a different game in the system,

would it feel strange to be playing...

- It does. Yeah. - Tetris on her?

- It do--it would. This whole thing is Monica.

- As technology improves, if the laws changed

and all of a sudden you could marry Monica, what would you do?

- I would probably go right out and see if I could marry her.

- But marriage is forever.

- "Forever" is a relative term.

There are a lot of divorces out there right now.

[both laughing]

I do see this as, like, a stop towards a real girl,

but I'm not actively looking for one.

- Do you think this keeps you from doing that, Harold?

- No, because it just kind of helps

keep me from being depressed.

- So then I guess the only feedback I would like to give

is to still be aware that Monica could

keep you from being involved... - Right.

- In the physical world and thereby isolate you further,

rather than bring you the company that you're

looking for with her. - Right.

- Harold is not alone in his relationship with Monica.

Although it's not so common here in America,

it's extremely common in Japan,

and they're seeing their birth rate drop,

which could be significantly impacted

by this wave of digital relationships.

I wish you luck with Monica. [both laughing]

- Mmm, thank you. - Thank you very much.

- That relationship. Yeah.

♪ ♪

- People may be falling in love

with artificial intelligence now, but when will an A.I.

be able to genuinely return the feeling?

Futurists estimate that within the next 20 to 30 years

there will be a computer rights dilemma.

We will reach a point where we can't be sure

that a piece of technology doesn't feel emotions

or have self awareness or ambitions

or plans for the future.

It's illegal to abuse an animal, but a piece of technology?

I can do whatever I want to this.

I can call it names, harass it, scratch it...

or worse.

Oops.

When will technology become so advanced

that what I just did is considered m*rder?

[dramatic music]

We may not be there yet, but are we at a point

where we can't distinguish human from chat bot?

Welcome back to...

all: "Let's Get RomanTech."

[cheers and applause] - The only game show that pits

human intelligence against artificial intelligence.

- Rose, it's time for you to choose your RomanTech date.

- Will any of our subjects choose Bachelor number two,

otherwise known as Cleverbot?

[dramatic music]

- Sometimes in life you pick the worst thing for you

just because you want to find out,

so let's go with bachelor number one.

[game show music]

- All right, well, let's meet him.

- Say hello to Dana.

- Hi, Dana. Oh. - Hello.

- We'll count this round as a victory

for human intelligence.

- You didn't choose bachelor number two.

Now, why is that? - Right.

I think I was creeped out enough to be curious...

- Creeped out by-- - But not curious enough.

- Let's meet...it.

- Rose, bachelor number two is a completely non-human chat bot

that uses artificial intelligence

to synthesize human-like conversations.

Meet Cleverbot.

- I'm thrilled that I did not pick a computer,

combination I-I don't know what that would mean about myself.

I probably would have had a heart att*ck.

- So, Cleverbot is zero for one,

but it still has three more chances.

- Now, you take your time, mull over it.

- Bachelor number one, I don't remember most of your answers,

which is why-- - Wow.

- I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

So it's actually between two and three.

How did that happen?

[drum roll] - This time Cleverbot is

in the running.

- Okay, um...

I've dated someone like number two,

so we should just go no.

So we are gonna go with I think bachelor number three.

- Let's meet him.

- Oh, my God! [both laughing]

Hello, how are you? - Hi.

- You did not choose bachelor number two.

- Bachelor number two, like, what happened?

I didn't even know you were here.

I thought you were drunk somewhere.

This is a mess, just a mess! [both laughing]

Completely a-- [both laughing]

- Bachelor number two is

a completely non-human chat bot...

[both laughing]

That uses artificial intelligence

to synthesize human-like conversation.

- Oh, my God. - Say hi to Cleverbot.

- Oh, Cleverbot, you're the worst.

[both laughing] - I almost chose Cleverbot!

This is terrible.

- You dated someone that was a mess like Cleverbot?

- That's not speaking well for him.

[laughter]

- Oh, I hope he's watching. - Yeah.

- It seems Cleverbot has passed the Turing test,

but it hasn't won any hearts.

Still, it has two chances left.

- Think about the answers that you've gotten.

- Well--[groans]

Bachelor number one, I didn't see

anything interesting with the answers,

and Bachelor two sounds hilarious.

Comedy over looks is a huge thing for me.

It sounds like if he went on a date,

it would be at least fun.

- You know what? Are you ready to give us your answer?

- [laughs] I mean, I think I'm ready, yeah.

I'm just really intrigued by-- by bachelor two.

[musical fanfare] - All right!

- Bachelor number two. - Okay.

Excellent choice. Why?

- I'm intrigued. I love humor.

The answers were just funny. I mean, playful.

This person's mysterious, like a fully functioning human,

right, 'cause he has arms and legs and stuff.

- Let's meet...it.

- Huh? - Bachelor number two

is a completely non-human chat bot

that uses artificial intelligence

to synthesize human-like conversations.

- Okay. - Say hi to Cleverbot.

- Like, it was seriously answering?

The robot was answering the-- - Yes.

- Seriously verbatim.

It's a deep neural network that learns

and can synthesize human speech. - Yes.

- So my new type is a robot?

I mean, things are changing in this world, right?

both: Yeah. - This will be

not really a joke in the future.

- That is scary, actually.

- The future of A.I. might be scary for some,

but even so, this subject wasn't

the only one who chose the computer.

- Bachelor number two, I'm gonna choose you.

- Wow! Okay, Bachelor number two.

- I think he might be the weirdo that I'm looking for.

- Cleverbot managed to win the hearts

of two bachelorettes, passing both our Turing test

and our "date-ability" test.

- That concludes... [both laughing]

"Let's Get... both: "RomanTech."

- All right.

[cheers and applause]

- Maybe computers will have rights like humans someday.

Maybe we'll never know what makes human minds

different from electronic ones.

Maybe the question isn't,

"Can we have relationships with technology,"

but rather, "Are we the same thing?"

I mean, imagine an alien who has no concept of the human body

seeing me for the first time.

Would it understand the line

between the organism and the invention?

Would it know that these were made for me by other humans,

or would it think that they just grow out of me?

Would it think that my phone or my computer

are devices or external metal organs I evolved?

Years from now, will computers attain personhood

or are we all collectively attaining "cyborghood"?

And as always, thanks for watching.

[dramatic music]

[electronic music]

♪ ♪
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