02x04 - My Nation

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02x04 - My Nation

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[Damigo] We live in a society

that hates those who speak truth.

We want to bring about
a different world,


and we want to show people
a vision of something


much more beautiful, much greater,

healthier than is being
promoted right now.


Look at this, man. Tree hugger.

It's like what's gonna happen if,

you know, we become an
underwhelming minority

in the United States,

and who's gonna care
about the environment?

- But we secure our future...
- Right.

...by speaking the truth.

We are the only ones
speaking the truth about this.

[Damigo] A nation is a people
with a common heritage.


Right now, I'm not even
sure if America is a nation.

Heterogeneous societies,

the more diverse they become,

the more social trust
starts to break down,


the more polarized

the politics start to become.

And in some cases, eventually,

there does become a split,
and new nations emerge.

[narrator] The World Wide
Web has given us access


to powerful tools of
messaging and manipulation.


And with social media news
feeds limiting our access


to different points of view,

armies of frustrated citizens

are fueling each other's anger,

embracing ideologies
that promise a revolution


for everyone,

a revolution that could tear us apart.

[man] Get back on your
side of the border!

_

[Picciolini] Black people are animals.

Jews control the media
and the finance system


and the entertainment industry.

Immigrants are flooding into our country

to destroy our society

and take away our jobs

and eventually to commit
genocide on our race.


That's what I believed years ago

when I left the American
White power movement

that I helped build.

My name's Christian Picciolini.

From to ,

I was one of America's
first Neo-n*zi skinheads.


When I first joined, it
wasn't about ideology for me.


The first thing that
grabbed me was the fact


that I could now belong
to this new community


where I was accepted.

It felt like I was
really changing the world


for the better,

so that instilled power in me.

And that power was very intoxicating.

[Sighs]

Aside from the v*olence

that I caused,

you know, I think the worst thing

that I did was plant
all those seeds of hate,

thousands of them,

many of which are
still sprouting today,


and I find myself
pulling out the weeds.


[man] If you or someone you
know is in the dark world

that hate takes you to, we can help.

No judgment, just help.

[narrator] In , Christian Picciolini

co-founded a non-profit
called Life After Hate


to help other people leave hate groups.

[Picciolini] We've employed
microintervention strategies

online to actually see
what types of words


people were using in their social media.

Were they using r*cist words?

And what we'd do is apply an algorithm

to see who was following who,

how many influencers they followed,

or if, in fact, they were
an influencer themselves.


And then we'd contact
people one-on-one


and start a conversation with them.

When I was recruited in ,

it was very much
face-to-face recruitment.


Now recruitment is different,
and it's more powerful

because the Internet provides
this layer of anonymity.

There's this whole underground
world of White nationalists


who operate chat rooms

with tens of thousands
of people in them,


who operate message boards

and websites with
misinformation and statistics


that are skewed

to make minorities
look worse in our eyes.


If you think !sis has a
presence on social media,


you haven't seen anything.

[woman] She was a very friendly,

very happy little girl.

She was quiet, shy, didn't
make friends that easily.

Somewhat introverted.

[woman] With the
challenges of middle school

and high school, clique-iness,

she always wanted to do online school,

so we said, "Okay, we could try it."

[man] You know, with her
time that she spends online,

she would go out and
research different viewpoints,

and that's where she connected

and actually had the ability

to then feel like she
was part of a group.

[woman] She came to me one day and said,

"You know, sometimes I talk

to some people online about politics."

And I said, "Well,
who are these people?"

And she said, "Well,
they're two -year-old girls

and this one boy who's in college."

[man] She shared with him
about her lack of friends

and not being accepted,

and he identified with everything.

She mentioned that he
had had the same kind

of a background and situation.

So they really connected.

[woman] That's when she said,

"I'd like to make a
video over the summer."

And I said, "Well, what kind of video?"

She said, "Well, just political."

At this time, I had
no clue the magnitude

of what, you know, this was all about.

Times are changing and Western
civilization is in decline.

What kind of future do you
want your children to inherit?

Are you concerned about
demographic replacements?

Are you tired of feminists,

SJWs and Black Lives Matter t*rrorists

destroying the foundations
of a healthy society?

Do you know who rules over you

and who you're not allowed to criticize?

Whatever the future holds for us,

we are ultimately responsible.

Come join the crusade
against the destroyers

of Western civilization.

She came out with it,
and we were just, like,

blown away how bad it was.

It actually sickened me.

[Morton] The Internet
is an anarchic arena,


where every individual has independence

to think and believe and
to say what they want,


and that essentially
could be a good thing.

But we still live

in a hierarchical-structured
society.


And you have a radical rebellion

across the world against authority.

I was born into a very
dysfunctional family


in a rural Pennsylvanian town.

I endured severe physical abuse.

No one did anything about it,

and so I grew to mistrust the society

that I grew up around

and ran away at the age of

and soon found

a rock-'n'-roll band
called the Grateful Dead,


which had a very
counterculturalist basis.


I chose to provide
party favors, or dr*gs,


for those going into the concerts.

And eventually I ended up in
jail and started to open up


to a more conservative lifestyle.

One of the first verses
of the Quran says,


"This is a book wherein
there's no doubt."

And as a critical thinker,

I was sort of enthralled

and continued to read on.

And I had sort of a spiritual awakening,

so to say.

[narrator] After he was
released from prison,

Jesse Morton began

experimenting with
ways to promote Jihad.


[Morton] For someone who
was already critical


of the society around
them, I naturally gravitated

to a politicized
interpretation of Islam.

, I used a relatively
nascent platform,


YouTube, and I uploaded a -minute clip

that played small segments of a debate

between a very well-known
radical preacher,


Abdullah Faisal, and a Christian bishop.

Jesus said about Jihad,
he himself believed in it.

Jesus said, "Bring my enemies here

and k*ll them in front of me."

He was able to manipulate
the Christian texts

and embarrass the bishop.

Within a couple of weeks,

it had, you know, a
quarter of a million views.


There was thousands of comments.

So we saw the power of online media.

[narrator] Alongside the video,

Jesse launched a website

and an organization
named Revolution Muslim,


one of the first to use YouTube

to recruit Americans for Al-Qaeda,

creating a template

that was copied by
other Jihadist groups.


[Morton] We had a prolific effect.

We were the gateway drug.

[narrator] It only takes one
click to join the vanguard.

And with algorithms feeding us content

based on what we already like,

it's easy to become
trapped in a filter bubble


where we only meet people
who agree with our beliefs.


It's how Internet movements emerge,

grow and go viral.

[Damigo] The alt right is a very broad

and disparate movement of dissidents

who typically follow
along right-wing politics.

A large part of the alt
right really did begin


on message boards like /pol/ and chan.

These ideas eventually
developed to the point


where they were mutating

and becoming more simplified

and more digestible by the masses,

often with comedy in
the forms of memes,


constantly creating outrage
to make people look foolish


and overly emotional.

[narrator] The alt right is
moving beyond offensive memes


to more sophisticated forms
of digital provocation,


and Nathan Damigo is
leading the charge.


[Damigo] I see myself
largely as an organizer.


It's quite amazing what you can get done

and what you can accomplish

just through the use of a computer

and access to a Wi-Fi network.

[narrator] Nathan spends hours a day

online spreading his message.

[Damigo] This is On The
Front, where we talk about


what's happening in the culture w*r.

[narrator] His critics
have labeled him a n*zi,

but if Nathan is a thr*at,
at least he's a visible one.


The man that -year-old Crusader Girl

first met in a chat room

would only Skype with her
with his webcam turned off.


[woman] She was starting to
get fond of this young man.

I could tell he was
isolating her from us.

[man] This so-called boyfriend
was very charming.

She was talking to
him morning and night,

and it was becoming an obsession.

[woman] She said his name
was Michael Hansson.

He's .

He lives in Eagle, Idaho.

He's German.

He had a Facebook account.

I was studying it very carefully.

This is where it really didn't match up.

His friends looked very odd.

It's almost liked he
compiled it overnight maybe.


He just grabbed any individuals.

I figured out how to do a reverse search

with the images,

and, lo and behold, two of the pictures

were from, like, modeling websites.

[narrator] Crusader Girl's parents

turned to Christian for help.

Hi, it's Christian. How are you?

[woman] Hi, Christian. How are you?

I'm doing good.

How's everything going with
your daughter right now?

Any updates?

He seems to be pushing
her to make these videos.

She seems to be obsessed with this.

It's taking over her life,

and it's pretty heartbreaking,

you know, to see that.

And I am going to follow this guy

to the gates of hell

until I find him and
turn her life around

because my daughter is not disposable.

[Crusader Girl] Dear Muslim people,

you think you can get
away with playing the parts

of the poor little
refugee fleeing Syria.

[Picciolini] This recruiter,
in my opinion, is a predator.


He's somebody who has
absolutely no interest


in this girl

and is using her to meet his own agenda.

Crusader Girl is putting
this message out there


and affecting thousands
of people with it.


Once it's online, she
can never pull that back.

[Damigo] Presentation is everything.

That's why we want

to master an aesthetic
that is attractive,


that people want to be a part of.

What's going on, guys?

If you can, share this
as much as possible.

We want to get a lot of people on here.

Believe it or not, you
can say just about anything

as long as you know how to say it.

Uh, right now,

and someone just asked, you
know, in this day and age,

how can we create a sense of community?

It starts by, you know,
bringing people together

who share a common history

and a common world view.

And that's what Identity Evropa is.

Identity Evropa was
founded with the purpose


of promoting identity

amongst people of European heritage.

I think my greatest inspiration

was that of Generation Identitaire,

which started in France
when they occupied

a mosque with about or members.

And they were rejecting

the propagation of Islam within France.

[narrator] Generation
Identitaire blazed a trail


for an anti-immigration
youth movement


that has swept across Northern Europe,

with self-proclaimed
identitarian groups


parading their exploits
across the Internet.


And now their brand
of pro-White activism


has arrived on American shores.

Nathan launched Identity
Evropa in April ,


and they already have chapters
in cities across the U.S.


[Damigo] The goals of our organization

are largely to bring people together

beyond the Internet

and break through the
political correctness

that has been created.

It's @sweden.

They let a random Swedish
person run the Swedish account,

and she was, like, talking
about how Sweden was r*cist

not because they had any
part in the sl*ve trade,

but because they produced iron,

which was used to make the
ships in the sl*ve trade.

Like, I'm not even joking.

You know, by that theory,
though, the Earth is r*cist

because the iron came from the Earth.

The hurricane went and k*lled

black people from Haiti.

That r*cist-ass hurricane.

Yeah. Not just that.

There is nothing White people
can't do that's not r*cist.

What you guys are doing today

is going to have massive significance

for the future of this country

and for the future of our people.

So I want to thank each
and every one of you

for being here and making that happen.

Thank you.

- Hail victory.
- To victory.

[Damigo] I wanted to make the world

a better place for other people.

However, at that time, I was
very young and very naive.


I joined the Marine Corps
straight out of high school


and never stopped to
consider how our involvement


over there would actually play out.

And when I got out there...

...I started to realize
that, for the first time,

I was actually kind of
an outsider looking in.

And, to me, it was just so plain.


Like, "Okay, this is dumb.

These people have different religions.

They have come from different tribes.

They have different cultural practices,

and they don't like
being forced to go along

with the practices of
the other tribe by law.

Why not just give these
people their own nations?"

America wants to conquer your land,

conquer your resources,
k*ll your brothers,

maim your sisters,

r*pe your sisters and drop
bombs on your children!

[narrator] By ,

Jesse had shed any
loyalties to his nation


and was actively radicalizing

American Muslims through his website.

[Morton] I would go speak in public,

and they would film it,

and then they would put
it on the YouTube channel.

To hell with America!

To hell with nationalism!

Within a year and a half or so,

there started to be
an overwhelming amount


of t*rror1st-related
cases in the United States,

most of which were
directly connected to us.

This is Islam!

This is Islam.

One morning, I woke up, and
"South Park" had declared

that they were going to portray

the prophet Muhammad in an episode.

Okay, how about, like,
a... a big mascot outfit,

one that covered him
completely, head-to-toe,

not even showing his eyes?

Muhammad, would that be okay?

Okay.

[Morton] I wrote a
statement that justified


k*lling those that portrayed
the prophet Muhammad


using medieval scriptures.

I felt internally like I
was doing my duty to God.

[narrator] Jesse was convicted

for conspiring to solicit m*rder

and using the Internet
to communicate threats.


For the second time in his life,

he was sent to prison.

I established a relationship
with law enforcement

after realizing

that not only were they human beings,

but that their primary concern

was not with waging a
w*r on Islam and Muslims,

but with identifying individuals

that may go on to k*ll civilians.

The system itself was not as corrupt

as I once imagined it to be.

[narrator] By the time he
was released years later,


Jesse had de-radicalized.

[Morton] We probably want to preserve

the way of life that we have.

I've come to appreciate it,

and I regret deeply who I became.

[narrator] Jesse is still a Muslim.

He now monitors Jihadist propaganda

and plans to start a new organization

to counter Islamic extremism.

[Morton] What we are now seeing

is with groups like !sis,

they're developing their own apps,

and everyone is now
migrating to the darknet.


And Jihadist organizations,
just like any extremist entity,

they're fluid. They're fluid entities.

They can change almost
overnight in strategy and tactic.

[woman] It's horrifying.

It really is because you think

you're doing everything
right as a parent.

You try to give them
all the tools they need,

but you have no idea that this evil

could come right into
your home on your computer.

[Picciolini: He uses
probably a dozen aliases.


With one screen name led me to another,

which made another
connection to a gamer site.


That's when I found out that this guy

who pretended to be a German

was actually a Russian.

I may have taunted
this guy a little bit,


and, within a couple of hours,

I had several of my own websites

att*cked with malicious software

all coming from Russia.

I hope that this is enough

to really sway her to
stop making the videos.


I'm not going to let another life

be destroyed by some of the same things

that I helped put into this world.

The first thing I want to talk
about is these smoke flares.

Pretty cool.

They're fun.

They definitely will
generate a lot of interest

in what we're doing and
get people's attention.

Just several months ago,

Kate Steinle was sh*t
and k*lled by a man

who had been actually deported
previously several times

and had committed various crimes,

and he still kept coming
back to the country.

We want to push back against
this massive illegal immigration

that's happening that
has been very harmful.

So how do you want me to film it?

You really shouldn't
even turn your camera on

till right as we're
getting into position.

This is going to be
live-streamed by Red Ice.

We couldn't reach this large

of an audience just
by hitting the streets,

so I'm really excited about all this.

This will be our first
public demonstration.


Our main purpose is to get our ideas

out into the mainstream,

where they're talked about,
where they're thought about.


And I think, if we can accomplish that,

then I think everything
else will fall in place.

There you go. Pop flares. Pop flares.

You guys ready?

No sanction! No quarter!

Get back on your side of the border!

No sanction! No quarter!

Get back on your side of the border!

Citizens of San Francisco,

if you are in this city illegally,

it's time for you to go home.

America is not your home.

You need to make your
nation and your homeland

and your people great again.

No longer will you guys
sit here and be demonized

for being who we are.

Every single person
standing here is White,

and we're proud.

No sanction! No quarter!

Get back on your side of the border!

Go f*ck yourselves, man.

Yeah. You are the reason
why a woman was m*rder*d

here several months ago.

- f*ck yourselves.
- We're not scared of

your anti-White,
ethnomasochistic language.

When you call everyone a
r*cist, no one is a r*cist.

No sanction! No quarter!

Get back on your side of the border!

Y'all have stupid haircuts,
too, for the record.

Let's go, guys.

[narrator] When everyone has
a camera in their pocket,


a public demonstration

can become the fuse for the fire online.

[woman] f*ck you, Nazis!

Get the f*ck out of San Francisco.

- [man] Oh, yeah.
- We're not going anywhere.

We're not going anywhere.

This is about hate.

This is hate towards
people of European heritage


who say, "I have an
identity. I have a culture.

I have a society,

a civilization, a nation."

And we're not going
to back away from that.

[Picciolini] While most of us, I think,

would like to believe that the Internet

is a place where the world is smaller

and we can access more information,

the reality is our
news is curated for us


based on our browsing history

and based on what we've liked
on Facebook or on Twitter.


We're only really being fed
things that we agree with.

[Morton] We once thought the Internet

would democratize societies.

I think, in many ways, what we find now

is that it's polarizing societies.

!sis adopted a position

in its most famous strategic work called

The Management of Savagery.

They talk about creating
conditions of chaos

so that they can then
cleanse those societies.

I would really say that we've done

a great deal to fulfill the objectives

of the Jihadists,

which is essentially a , -year w*r

to wear us down

and to cause us to collapse internally.

My name is Grace, and
I'm here to talk about

how being a r*cist stole
my high school years.

I came across a website that told me

that minorities are responsible

for all the wrong in the
world, and I believed it.

Soon, I found a White
nationalist movement

that gave me a sense of belonging

and a sense of purpose.

I eventually learned
that the friends I met

in the movement were
nasty and ignorant people.

I also learned that we, as humans,

are evolved enough to coexist

rather than live as separate tribes.

Nowadays, I just want to reinvent myself

and help people of all races.

The best gift you can give to the world

is a kinder version of yourself.
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