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They were here thousands of years

before Columbus.

While Paris was still a village,

they were carving cities

out of the jungle.

They played a ball game for

life or death.

They planned their lives according

to the heavens.

Their writing is a puzzle

we're still learning to decipher.

Wow! Look at this.

Really something.

Now the pace of discovery

is quickening.

We are finally finding out

who they were.

Bone? There's a lot of bone.

Look. It's a black kind of a...

Oh, man!

This is really a powerful work of art.

They are the people who say

that the gods made them from corn.

They are the Maya.

The year is 1839.

The place-western Honduras.

An American explorer named

John Lloyd Stephens

is leading an expedition in search of

an abandoned Maya city called Copan.

Almost nothing is knows about the Maya

Stephens is about to learn more.

Draped with a thousand years

of tropical growth,

the brooding temples and

tumbled stones sprawl for miles.

Stephens is overwhelmed

by a sense of mystery.

Who built this place?

What happened here?

In the following days Stephens and

English artist Frederick Catherwood

record their impressions

of the ruined city.

It lay before us like a shattered bark

in the midst of the ocean,

her masts gone, her crew perished.

And none to tell when she came,

or what caused her destruction.

All was mystery, dark,

impenetrable mystery.

During the next three years Stephens

and Catherwood

visit the better known Maya sites

to the north.

In Yucatan they explore Uxmal

and Chichen Itza.

In Chiapas they visit Palenque.

And still questions plague them.

Who built these cities?

Why had they been abandoned?

The land of the Maya spread from parts

of Honduras,

El Salvador, and Guatemala

in the south

to Belize and Mexico in the north

It was dotted with hundreds

of small kingdoms,

each with its own unique history.

The heartland of what scholars call

the "Classic" Maya civilization lay

in the southern lowlands.

It is there that our story

takes place

starting at the site where scientific

excavations first began... Copan.

Today, this partially restored site

still retains its air of mystery.

Bill Fash is the director

of the Copan Acropolis Project.

Copan was one of the premiere

Maya cities.

Now we can't say that in terms

of its size.

Certainly there were other cities

that were larger.

But while it was booming

for about 400 years there,

it was quite a place.

It had incredible artists, sculptors,

architects, engineers, astronomers,

scribes, and so forth.

So I suppose if you had to put it

in our cultural terms

...if Tikal were like say New York,

Copan was like Paris.

Every year of the past few decades,

a handful of Maya specialists and

hundreds of workers have been trying

to piece Copan's history back together

The story of what happened here

is still unfolding,

stone by stone.

There are over 30,000 fragments

of stone sculpture

that once adorned these buildings.

The problem is,

for this particular puzzle,

there is no box top.

There is no picture that enables us

to know how they went back together.

We have to try and figure that out.

And the problem is made worse

by things like this.

This is what we call a GOK piles

and pull out the examples that

are just like those we have dug up,

and try and put the whole thing

back together.

But in spite of the difficulties,

Fash's team of experts has reassembled

thousands of sculptures

and conserved dozens of buildings.

Every year the pictures of what Copan

was like more that a thousand years ago

becomes clearer.

Many clues still lie hidden

in the temples

where the Maya elite buried their dead

The Classic Maya had virtually

no interest in metal,

so there is no gold buried here.

But sometimes something

even more valuable is unearthed.

Watch the wire.

See this face.

All right. It's repainted.

It's a stucco coating over...

In 1992 Robert Sharer discovered

the tomb of a royal family member.

Buried with him were some pots.

One glyph is there.

What makes these vessels

especially significant

are the painted designs

and the hieroglyphic writing.

Well, those are fantastic vessels,

although I don't know if I can say much

about the glyphs on them.

Forty years ago we could read only

a few Maya hieroglyphs.

Today we can read about half.

But it takes an expert.

There's another pot just like the one

with the feet in the tomb.

David Stuart is the son

of Maya scholars

and one of the world's

foremost epigraphers.

By being able to read the glyphs now,

it makes the Maya

a little bit more normal.

It makes them more human because

we see that they did have history,

that they were a people that had

real concerns about themselves

and the events in their lives.

One kind of Maya writing

was almost lost forever.

When Spanish priests arrived

in the 16th century,

they found hundreds of

folding books called codices,

and promptly b*rned them.

Today, only parts of

four codices remain,

but they have helped to shape the way

we think about the Maya.

The books are almanacs,

filled with astrological information.

The men and women who wrote

the almanacs were scribes,

well versed in astronomy.

Using a sophisticated mathematics,

they calculated the movements

of the night sky

thousands of years into the past

and thousands of years into the future.

They knew that the universe moved

in cycles,

some very large, some very small.

They even predicted eclipses

of the sun.

They seem to have been fascinated

by the relationship between time

and the events in their own lives.

The Maya also left a record in a

medium much more permanent than paper.

And this writing contains much more

than dates and numbers.

On these stone the Maya recorded

the important events

in the lives of their rulers.

This is the Hieroglyphic Stairway

at Copan,

the longest inscribed text

in the New World.

But early archeologists reassembled

it out of order,

so today we can read it only

in segments.

Sculpture specialist Barbara Fash

is making a catalog

of the 1,200 glyphs on the stairway.

Someday, these drawings may tell

a more complete story of Copan's kings

This means "to plant with a stick

in the ground."

Other hieroglyphs are more accessible,

thanks to dramatic breakthroughs

in the past few decades.

This is the date. It's a...

Epigrapher Linda Schele has done

her share of the recent detective work

This is a little tree-tey.

And on this side,

facing the east, he's young.

But on the west side you can see...

Look at the beard.

It is a rare thing when a people

develop historical consciousness

and make recorded history

a part of what they do.

What we are participating in now

is the recovery of lost history...

...because American history does not

begin in 1492 with Columbus.

It begins in 200 B.C.

with the first Maya king

who wrote his name on a stone.

Long before the first king wrote

his name on a stone,

the Maya were living

in the fertile Copan valley.

They were corn farmers.

Their lives were ruled by the rhythms

of the natural world,

planting and harvesting,

birth and death.

But around A.D. 400,

at about the time Rome

was starting to collapse,

a change swept through the valley.

On a lazy bend in the Copan River,

buildings made from stone were rising

from the jungle floor.

Brilliantly colored buildings

surrounded a whitewashed central plaza

where thousands of people could gather

There was trade in shells

and cacao beans,

tobacco, jade, and feathers.

At the center of the city

stood the ball court.

The object of the ball game seems

to have been to keep

the heavy rubber ball in motion,

without using hands or feet.

Stone carvings at some sites show

ballplayers with severed human heads

dangling from their belts.

But no one knows if they depict

what actually happened to the losers,

or illustrate something more symbolic.

The ball was supposed to be a metaphor

for the movement of the sun

and by extension, also the moon

and the stars.

And you wanted to make sure that there

was regularity in that movement.

They thought that if they played

the game in the right way,

and honored the gods in the right way,

that they would ensure the

agricultural cycle

and enable the sun to rise

and the rains to come on time

and for there to be

a bountiful harvest.

In the secret world of

the Maya

the gods were the source of all life,

and only the kings had the power

to intervene with them.

The gods sustained the

physical universe with sun and rain

and expected humans to nourish them

in return.

The supreme source of

that nourishment was blood.

When the Maya wanted to acknowledge

the sacredness of the moment or

an important event,

they would let blood.

Blood was the vehicle that carried

a quality that they called chu'lel,

which means their soul.

It was something that not

only permeated human bodies,

it permeated buildings,

it permeated the trees, the sky.

It permeated all things sacred

in the world.

And when they gave blood,

what they were doing was

they were activating the chu'lel.

It's like George Lucas's the "Force."

If you can think of Obi-wan-Kenobi,

you know,

calling the "Force" out,

or Luke, as he guides the plane in

you know, in the final Death Star battle.

That's what the Maya were doing

by these rituals.

They were touching what they

considered to be

the living force

of the universe and it's still here.

On special occasions

the king himself would give blood.

This was one of the most

secret rituals in Maya life.

After days of fasting

and spiritual preparation,

the king would pierce his foreskin

with a stingray spine

and let the blood drip

onto paper strips.

With this act of sacrifice

a doorway to the gods was opened.

When the paper strips were b*rned,

the Maya believed they could see

their gods in the rising smoke.

Today,

the descendants of the ancient Maya

still live much like

their ancestors did.

The myths they remember

and the ceremonies they perform are

all part of a tradition

that the Maya say God gave them

at the beginning of time.

Casimiro Sagajau is a Maya priest

who blesses the fields at harvest time

We are Cakchiquels, direct descendants

of the ancient Maya.

Our religion is from a long time ago.

I learned as a child

from the Maya priests.

In dreams we learned

from the Maya gods

when to plant and when to harvest,

when to set the fires,

and when to do the corn ceremony.

The Maya passion for ritual

was one of the first things

Spanish missionaries observed

when they arrived in Yucatan

almost 500 years ago.

When the Catholic Church banned

traditional forms of worship,

the old ways went underground.

Today the religion the Maya follow

is a blend of these two ancient faiths

The Maya have clung tenaciously to

many aspects of the old culture.

In the highlands of Chiapas

and Guatemala

their unique dress not only defines

them as Maya,

but identifies the particular village

where they live.

It is said that when a Maya woman

puts on her traditional blouse,

called a huipil,

her head emerges at the very center

of a world woven from dreams,

just as the great tree of life

emerges from the earth.

In the highlands of Chiapas, Mexico,

Chip Morris had been working

with weavers for 20 years.

The weavers have always said that

their designs come from the beginning

of the world,

meaning the beginning of their culture

When I started looking at

the archeology of the sculptures

and the statues, the things that show

what the weaving was like,

there are a number that are all

but identical to the weavings of today.

What's in the designs is a map

of the Maya world,

but not the surface of the earth,

not where we are standing now,

but it's the dream world.

It's that world where the gods are,

where the beings that control rain,

where Angel, the lightning bolt lives.

There are no trucks,

there are no houses on a blouse.

It's all images of that

sacred universe that creates rain,

that creates life,

that maintains the world.

In a world where the line between

the secular and the sacred

is almost imperceptible,

everything is more than is seems.

Pyramids symbolize sacred mountains

where the ancestors dwell.

Doors represent the mouths of caves

passageways into the mountain's

dangerous underworld.

The Maya believed they went to

that underworld when they d*ed.

They called it Xibalba.

It was the "place of fright"

a watery realm of disease and decay

that ordinary people

had little hope of escaping.

How the Maya treated their dead

is being investigated here

at a site 130 miles north of Copan.

These are the ruins

of a city called Caracol.

Once it was a prosperous

administrative center.

Today it is remarkable for the scores

of tombs discovered here.

I think we'll leave the rest

of this until we move the rocks.

Okay.

Arlen Chase is a potter expert.

Diane Chase is an authority

on human bones.

They're trying to understand

how the Maya thought about death.

We tend to think of things

in Westernized terms.

The Maya were not a Western society;

they didn't do anything

the way Europeans do.

It's so hard for our own society

to understand how the Maya lived.

I mean we don't have dead living

with us, you know, every day.

We don't put them in a room

in our house and maintain them there.

Well, the Maya essentially did that

in their living groups.

Okay. Oh, this is nice. Arlen.

This is real nice.

We've definitely got a royal tomb here

Ordinary people were usually buried

under the floors of their houses.

The vessels are nice

and they're in good shape.

The elite were placed in tombs.

This polychrome over here

is in better shape on the back

than the front side.

What about the bone?

Bone? There's a lot of bone.

There are at least two individuals

whose heads are to the south.

They're in pretty good shape.

Someone else's legs are up

in this corner.

It doesn't go with either one

of the first two individuals.

It's not the man

and the possible woman.

It's somebody different.

It wasn't uncommon for the Maya

to bury more than one family member

in the same space.

I like to think of it more like

a family mausoleum

where grandpa may have d*ed

and you place him inside first.

Grandma dies. You put her inside too.

A number of years pass and maybe

the son or daughter dies.

You might move grandpa to the side

a little bit, grandma too,

and stick the son in.

And a little bit further along

a few more people in the family die

and eventually the mausoleum has quite

a lot of bone material inside.

This one's got a ring...

For archeologists,

tombs are like time capsules.

The objects buried with the dead

sometimes yield precise dates and names.

These help to fill out

our picture of

how the ancient Maya lived.

...in the lab it should pop out.

And sometimes what they find

is simply beautiful.

Like the tombs at Caracol,

the buildings of Copan contain

their share of buried history.

But finding it has often been an

elusive undertaking.

Honduran archeologist Ricardo Agurcia

has been working at Copan since 1978.

My primary interest was finding out

what happened to these people.

It's something that's part

of my heritage too.

It's something that's part

of my country.

And I grew up I mean

I wasn't very young

when I came to these ruins

the first time.

But it impacted me and it was

a fascinating issue-question that

you were always thinking about.

What happened to these people?

Who were they?

How did they do the things they did?

For the past four years

Agurcia has been excavating

a temple pyramid

that may tell us more about how

the people of Copan lived.

Temple 16 is a typical royal structure

in terms of its construction.

And there in lies

the archeologists' challenge.

For the Maya,

certain spaces were sacred,

so they built their temples one

on top of another.

Workers would collapse the upper levels

of an existing structure,

encase what was left with heavy fill,

and build a new structure around it.

As Agurcia's crew remove the fill,

they create a labyrinth of tunnels.

Working in tunnels tends

to be very confusing.

You're working like

in three dimensions.

You're going up, down, sideways,

in between.

And oftentimes you get lost

and you can't really understand

what you're looking at.

The flat wall on the left

used to be the outer wall

of an older temple.

Only by following its walls

to their ends

can Agurcia determine

building's original dimensions.

I only traveled a short distance

and bingo, we hit another wall.

It still goes farther

on towards the south.

So we then tried going up to see

whether we had the bottom part

of a substructure

or the higher part of it

and started going up.

And you can see here the terraces

going up of

what was a very large pyramid.

It goes up, as far as we've traced it,

eight stories high and each one

curving back and going further up.

What Agurcia found next was

totally unexpected.

There was yet a third structure

inside the first two,

this one was different.

The building Agurcia calls Rosalila

was perfectly preserved.

The loose dirt was removed,

exposing a set of giant masks

still tinged with traces

of the original paint.

Most of the masks we found before

were perhaps a meter or two tall

and would extend as much as five,

six meters.

But these masks just kept going

and going and going

and to this moment

we still haven't found the end of them

Hey, partner.

How's it going, boss?

Wo-o-o.

You haven't been here in a while,

have you?

Wow! Whoa!

Can you believe it?

Red paint all over the place.

Yeah, we've got lots of good paint.

We're coming down below the molding

and we've got two birds out.

We've got one over here on the left

and he's facing north.

And I think we have another one.

You see, he's got his beak bent

over his eye.

All the feathers behind him.

All the feathers radiating out

and also it's higher up

than anything else in the Acropolis.

So this thing shone out

for miles around.

It's outrageous, it's just outrageous.

Adorned with brightly painted sculpture

Rosalila once crowned

the highest point in Copan.

Framing the central doorway,

two giant birds face the setting sun.

Above them undulating serpents extend

their bodies toward the sky.

For the archeologists,

the careful treatment given Rosalila

poses a question.

We're all just itching to know

what Rosalil is all about.

Why was it left there for 150 years

and nobody touched it other than

to maintain it?

Why was it buried intact?

They didn't touch any of it

when they buried it.

All the rest of them they smashed

to pieces

to build something bigger

and better over it.

Why was it so revered that is had

to be mummified when it was buried?

And most of all, what's inside of it?

What is that thing housing?

And that's what we're hoping Ricardo

will find.

But before any new discoveries are made

the rainy season descends on Copan.

The archeologists return home

and all excavations are suspended

until it ends.

Nearly six months later

the rain is over.

The weather clears.

At last the excavation of temple 16

can be resumed.

For another half year workers continue

to peel away the dirt from Rosalila.

And just before the rains resume,

the enigmatic temple yields

one more surprise.

From a small cache found in a doorway,

Agurcia removes something

buried 1,300 years ago.

Look at this. It's a black kind of a...

Oh, man!

It doesn't fit.

It's close enough.

You would not believe how sharp

the edges on these things are.

What they have found

is a bundle of blades

chipped from an especially

sacred material

flint, the firestone.

They were probably used on

ceremonial occasions

and the faces may

depict royal ancestors,

or sacrificial victims.

No one knows how long it took to

create these delicately flaked blades

since no one today has the skill

to make one.

In all, nine flints were found

in Rosalila

perhaps corresponding

to the nine Maya "Lords of the Night."

It's been here for 1,300 years

and it's unbelievable.

It's a beautiful piece of art.

I mean

the finesse,

the work in it is incredible.

And I just feel like

incredibly privileged, you know.

You get caught up in the heat of

the battle

and you try not to forget to

take your pictures,

take your measurements.

And at times you forget

to think about it

and to think of the face

that it's human beings

that did this a long time ago and that

when they did it,

this was very important to them.

I'm touched by it, I really am.

And it's a special feeling.

It doesn't happen every day.

It is likely the flints Agurcia found

in Rosalila

were placed there sometime

in the 7th century A.D.

when the classic Maya civilization

was at its peak.

In many Maya kingdoms

there was a boom in the construction

of new buildings.

Some cities were even connected

by roads,

and trade among them flourished.

Copan lay on the southern frontier.

But to the north

events had taken place

in the Maya world

that would eventually shake it

to its core.

Tikal was one of

their greatest Maya cities,

a prosperous urban center

that the envy of its neighbors.

It was probably inconceivable

to the kings of Tikal

that any other kingdom posed a thr*at,

but in the spring of 562,

Caracol att*cked Tikal and defeated it

During the upheaval that followed

in Tikal,

members of the royal family

moved away into the jungle

and established their own city.

Today, a research base camp

marks the spot.

What was once the great city

of Dos Pilas

has again been reclaimed by jungle.

The effort to piece together a picture

of its dramatic rise to power

is being led by Arthur Demarest.

What he has learned is changing

the way we think about the Maya.

Forty or fifty years ago

we thought of the Maya

as this peace-loving,

theocratic society, these scholarly

kings who studied the movements

of the planets and lived kind

of in a world of their own.

Now we know, from the

recent hieroglyphic decipherments

and from excavations like these

that have found fortifications;

that the Maya were a

very violent people,

one of the most warlike peoples

of the New World,

and that they were constantly engaged

in warfare,

battles of dynastic succession,

and earthly pursuits.

In 1990

Demarest's team discovered concrete

evidence to support this view.

It is a large,

perfectly preserved hieroglyphic text,

and on it it talks about

a series of wars, battles,

and conquests involving

the big players-Tikal,

Dos Pilas battling each other.

And it records the outcomes.

It's tremendous piece of information,

and its decipherment,

I think, is going to change the way we look

at this very critical period

in Maya history.

This is really amazing.

They're saying that he is

the subordinate of this lord,

presumably of Calakmul.

It's an incredible title.

It's saying we were competitive

with Tikal.

Well, we have to think about it.

I mean is it subordination or...

Epigraphers David Stuart

and Steve Houston

are called in to see

how much of the text they can read.

...with references to

Bonampak and Tonina.

And then after that-X.

And look, there it is.

Katun.

Yeah. This, Arthur,

refers to a kind of altar.

And here it refers to a dedication.

It's referring to the stair.

And look! It's a step. It's a step!

It's a pyramid.

Okay,

what it's saying is that this event,

this w*r event...

And then over here you've got a new

event involving Ruler A's father.

The skull glyph here is the name

of the ruler of Tikal.

Initially, it seems that Maya warfare

was to some extent ritualized.

It was more devoted to religious ends.

Literally, these guys dressed up

in silly outfits,

archaic costumes with

big Paleolithic spears

and went out there and met

in some place

and knocked each other around.

One of them was captured

and brought back and sacrificed.

What the hieroglyphs on the stairway

seem to confirm

is that sometime

in the 8th century A.D.

ritualized warfare gave way

to campaigns of expansion.

The kings of Dos Pilas att*cked town

along the Pasion River,

and thereby seized control

of a vital trade route.

It looks like there was a change

in warfare

that led to an intensification and

to a shifting to warfare for conquest,

actually absorbing the territory

of others.

This seems to have somehow gotten out

of hand.

An arms race, in a way, started.

Attacking centers becomes acceptable.

Attacking population bases,

burning temples, that kind of thing.

The new warfare would eventually

come to Caracol as well.

The eighth century and ninth century

at Caracol and throughout

the Maya area

was a time of tremendous change

and a lot of warfare.

Caracol, up to that point in time,

had been very successful in warfare.

What happens, we think at least,

is that in this late time horizon,

it's not just a question of defeating

a neighboring civilization

and taking them into your realm,

but talking large numbers

of captives to sacrifice.

I think people were really scared.

Picture yourself in a Maya city.

And here you're been having warfare

and you say okay,

I'm going to be captured and

I'm going to be put to work

probably have to give three months out

of the year

to that foreign country over there.

But rather than that happening to you,

you've got this marauding army

that comes in,

pulls all the men together,

and rather than marching them off

to work in the fields,

they instead cut off their heads

and mount them on sticks

and make huge skull platforms.

Now that would strike terror into you.

That would be enough to say,

"My god, let's get out of here!"

Even Dos Pilas would finally face

the terror.

On the Hieroglyphic Stairway

itself lie the ruins

of a hastily erected stockade.

Archeologically,

this defensive wall is one

of the most important

and exciting features

that we've found here.

One of the reasons why

this masonry line is so neat

and is placed so well is that

it is made out of neatly carved blocks

which were ripped off.

They're the facings from

the palaces around you.

So they literally tore down

the royal palace and built this,

running it up against

their hieroglyphic stairway

to create this desperate

defensive system.

A picture of the city

in its final days begins to emerge.

In a frantic attempt to keep

the invaders out,

the citizens of Dos Pilas erect

two defensive walls

around the center of the city

and move inside for protection.

These are low house platforms

that held little huts

that filled the central

ceremonial plaza here at Dos Pilas

at the time of the siege

and the collapse.

And it indicates that again

the desperation

of those final moments

of this great kingdom

was so great and its fall had been

so complete that,

at this point, you had the population

living within the ceremonial plaza,

below the towering temples,

below the monuments

of the strutting great kings.

It's almost as if you had a

population

squeezed in living

on the White House lawn,

holding out at the very end of

the collapse of American civilization.

That's what you have here

that moment in time.

Copan, meanwhile, is struggling

with problems of a different sort.

When one of its most powerful rulers

is captured and beheaded,

faith in the divine authority

of the kings wavers.

At the same time, the population in

the Copan Valley continues to grow.

Basically, the Copanecs

became the victims

of their own success.

And as this city grew

and became more vibrant

and more attractive,

eventually all this nice, fertile,

alluvial bottomland was covered

by houses,

and they were basically

cutting themselves off

from their own food source.

As time went by, all of the forest

was eliminated.

This caused wide scale erosion

throughout the valley.

This eventually resulted

in less rainfall,

and people just weren't table

to live here any more.

It is now the middle

of the eighth century.

Throughout the southern Maya world

the power of the kings is waning.

Disease and hunger are

becoming commonplace.

People begin to drift away

from the cities.

In Europe the Dark Ages

are halfway over.

Here in the jungle,

they are just beginning.

Slowly, one by one,

the great southern cities

are abandoned

In 761

the king of Dos Pilas

is captured and k*lled.

From that point on there are no more

hieroglyphic inscriptions here.

The last written date

at Palenque is 799.

Twenty years later, Copan falls silent

Caracol stops recording in 859.

The last inscription date

at Tikal is written in 879.

Only a handful of Maya cities

in the south survive beyond

the first years of the tenth century.

The northern cities

of the Yucatan Peninsula

places like Uxmal and Chichen Itza

will prosper for

several hundred years longer.

But they are no longer ruled

by divine kings,

and gradually the old ways of building

and writing, and worshiping slip away.

The Classic Maya civilization

is at an end.

One of the thins, I think,

that strikes the public consciousness

about the Maya civilization is

to see this sophisticated culture with

its monuments and architecture

and science and writing system

in the jungle,

covered, destroyed

an area that's now abandoned today.

I think that there's an immediate

impact when you see that.

It reminds us that we can fail,

that civilization is a complex

phenomenon, and we can screw up.

And the consequences can be

totally catastrophic.

Yet, while the Classic Maya

civilization may have disappeared,

the Maya people have not.

For 3,000 years they have survived

the ambitions of their own kings

and those of foreign conquerors.

And once again they are under as*ault.

In Guatemala,

during the past three decades,

the Maya have been caught in

a civil w*r they barely comprehend.

In that time, 100,000 Maya

have been k*lled

and another 40,000 have "disappeared."

No one can count the number of widows

and orphans.

And through it all, they endure.

They weave their huipils.

They farm their corn.

I feel that the Maya of today

are very much

in the same traditions

as the Classic Maya.

What they've lost is that big covering

that overlay of nobility,

and they dropped it themselves.

They basically told the kings,

that's it.

You're not working anymore.

And they went and they continued

their own lives.

I don't like it when people talk about

the Maya collapse,

because they never collapsed.

They evolved.

They went through different hard times

good times, bad times,

but they're still with us.

They still maintain their customs;

they still maintain their ways

of organizing their societies.

And it's very exciting to see

how much of the ancient

Maya way of life is still alive

and well.

What we're digging up

or coming up with,

it's part of our history.

And the men that lived here

are some of the greatest men

we've ever had.

And it's a fact that we're getting

to know more and more and more

about the life of these people

more than I ever thought was possible.

I think if somebody had asked me

as a graduate student whether

we would know what we know today

about the Maya at Copan,

there's no way

I would have believed him

What is happening now

is the people who made these places

people like Yax Pak or Bird Jaguar

or Pacal

are getting back their voices

They are becoming real to us

and speaking to the people

of the 20th century

about who built this place and why,

and what they felt,

and what they thought about the world.

These are not anonymous people

any more.
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