02x03 - By Any Means Necessary

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02x03 - By Any Means Necessary

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[sighs]

I just thought
it would just be
a normal thing.

I could just talk to him,
hear him out.

And then this happens.

I tried. I tried. I tried.

-No! No! No!
-Let me talk to you. Let me--

Leave me alone!

I still have stuff
I wanna ask him.

Why couldn't he
have been brave enough
to get me out of that house?

[Antwon]
His spirit's irritated.

-That's what it is.
-It is!

God is in control.
Ain't none of this stuff
gonna happen.

Period.

He shouldn't have
came at you like that.

-He should not have
came at you like that.
-Hey, at the end of the day,

I ain't intimidated
by no devil.

That... That's you

who has to live
with what you did.

You wanna come up in here

and play like
you're a victim,

"Oh, we've been
victimized
by the same person."

-Boy, you ain't been--
We aged.
-That's right.

That's why I asked him,
"What do you mean
by victimized?"

You ain't
went through nothing!

You still walking free!

You're supposed to be a man.
You up here talking about

some girl made you do some--
Come on, man.

You ain't about to
weasel your way out of this.

-And say somebody--
-No, it's not.

She didn't put
a g*n to your head
and make you do it.

She didn't make you
go to court
and sign those papers.

-Right.
-You're trying to be
something based off that.

He's gotta come back
and man up and stop
being a little, whiny baby.

For me, that walkout
from Michael

was him running away again.

You ran away
from fighting for your kids.

You let Kristine
do everything that she did.

When I was trying
to defend myself,
you walked out.

Every time
something happened,

you wouldn't say anything.
You was silent
and then you would leave.

You ran away.

Per usual.

[theme music playing]

Based upon
what we know at this point,

it seems like the Barnett's
were determined

to re-age Natalia
as an adult.

Kristine will stop
at nothing

to make sure that happens.

Yes.

And Natalia said,

"I have a period.

And I've been
hiding it from you

'cause I don't
want you to know."

So I asked her,
"How do you do it?"

She said, when she
goes to the bathroom,

and there's any there,

she wipes it off
off her leg,

and she eats it
and licks it,

so nobody will ever
find out.

That's downright disgusting.

That's crazy.

I'mma tell you
what really happened.

I was seven years old,

and all of a sudden,
Kristine just,

I feel like, convinced me
that I was having my period.

Kristine, literally,
like, just said,

"You started your period,"

And then she made--
She forced me
to put the tampon in.

And then...

I literally
just told her, "I can't."

Like, "I can't do it,
it hurts."

But Kristine just
kept telling me,

"You need to put it in."

She made me do it,

but I couldn't.

And she was mad,
I remember that.

I remember
Kristine being mad

because I couldn't do it.

So, when I was able
to take it out,

there was blood on it,

because of the fact that...

Like, I'm seven years old.
I'm not even supposed to be

having that right now.

[sniffles] And...

She would...
She said, "See.
You had your period."

And I couldn't
say anything about it. I...

And it hurt so bad.

And I was scared.

[sobbing]

[whispers]
I need a minute.

[sobs]

[Beth] If what
Natalia says is true,

it's symbolic.

Kristine was forcing
an age on Natalia

and also forced her
to use a tampon,

and then use
this abuse of Natalia

as evidence of her age.

Kristine would do anything
to make sure Natalia would
fit her narrative, her plan.

Anything.

Medical experts
have told the Barnetts

that Natalia is a child.

But that doesn't fit the plan.

The problem is,
Kristine needs Natalia

to say that she's an adult.

To get rid of her.

So, according to Michael
and Natalia,

Kristine beats Natalia,

severely, until
she breaks her will.

And Natalia would
one hundred percent
go along with the plan,

and tell people
she's an adult.

I would just--
I just wanna say something
really personal.

I don't talk about
my personal life much

but I grew up
with two disabled brothers.

They passed away
as young adults.

But my mother
would do anything

for my brothers,
for me, my sister.

There was
a lot of love there.

And Natalia,
she deserved that kind of love

from her mother,
and she didn't get it

from Kristine,
that's for sure.

[Natalia]
I was terrified of her.

I was terrified.

So when Kristine told me
to tell people that I was 22,

I listened,
because I didn't know

what she would have me do.

I didn't know
what she would do to me.

She threatened me
into telling people lies.

At first, I said,
"No, I'm a kid."

And...

I guess, she just
got so mad...

She just...

That's when Kristine,
literally, took me to my room

and she just started
hitting me with a belt.

And she hit me with a belt
in my back,

my legs.

And like just...

[sniffles]

Just anywhere she could.

I remember
trying to move, but...

She would-- Like,
she just kept telling me
to stop moving

And she would
just hit me harder.

Like, why would you do that?

And it hurt.

It hurt a lot.

[sniffles]

It hurt because
these people were
supposed to be

the ones to love me,
to take care of me.

But all they did,

was just hurt me.

Michael didn't say a word.

He just sat there
and watched it happen.

And didn't say anything.

She would use
her open hand to hit.

When Kristine's arms
and fists got tired,

she started using
her forearms and her elbows.

Until Kristine
couldn't do it no more.

I didn't know what to do.

I was-- I was just frozen.

I have a...

sociopathic con artist,
potentially,

and my wife,
mother of my children,

and there were...

there's no--
There's no way out of this.

I didn't know what to do.

Michael watched

Natalia being
physically att*cked.

That was his daughter.

He had the obligation
to protect her.

And he failed
that obligation.

Like, you're supposed
to be my dad.

You're supposed to be
the one to protect me.

But he... He just let it go.

Then they just
locked me in my room
for the rest of that night.

That was it.

I remember
crying myself to sleep
that night, because...

I was mad, I was scared.

And like, I trusted
Michael and Kristine.

Because they were
supposed to be my parents.

I didn't know
what to do.

[Veronica]
If what Natalia says is true,

Kristine Barnett's
dominant behavior
over Natalia,

and the extreme
type of force that she used

tell me that
there was a monster

that operated in
Kristine Barnett's mind.

She was gonna dominate
and she was
gonna be the winner.

As an agent,
my favorite part of the job

is talking to people.

To find out the truth.

[knocking at door]

-[Natalia] Hi.
-[Veronica]
Hello, how are you?

[Natalia] I'm good.
ow are you?

Kristine, I think,
she was just trying

to drill it in my head
that I was an adult.

Have you worked
with anybody that was

brainwashed, or was like,
told to repeat stuff?

Of course.
I had a long career
as an investigator.

And I worked for the FBI.

Which also included
crimes against children.

So, that's how I sort of
got involved in your case.

The idea that
there are many, many layers

of Natalia's life

And to see someone
who's so fragile,
that you were.

And then as you
continue in your life,

you still have the ability
to face it.

I'm the kind of person
who says, "Face your fears."

I really believe that stuff.

I don't like
talking about it
but I know I have to.

I feel that Natalia,
she has been,
repeatedly, victimized.

You knew
that people were forcing you

to do things
that you knew were wrong

You knew it felt wrong.

Nothing felt right.

You were surviving.

[Kristine] We're gonna
have to take you to a doctor.

What do you think?
You need to go see a doctor?

I don't know.

[Beth] 22 seems to be

the magic number

the Barnetts are looking
to re-age Natalia to.

Why?

[Jackie]
Kristine is very insistent

that Natalia is an adult.

To the point that
she has taught Natalia

to introduce herself
by saying,

"I may look young,
but I'm 22."

So, it was interesting

that Indiana Statute


stated that a parent
was responsible for a child,

until the child
emancipated at age 21.

The Barnetts would have
been responsible for Natalia

until she was age 21.

[Beth] The Barnetts needed
a fool-proof plan
to get rid of Natalia.

And they didn't know
how long it would take
to re-age her.

Or even if it
would actually work.

So it seems Kristine
hatched a three-pronged plan

to get rid
of Natalia forever.

Get her re-aged,

get Natalia locked up
in a psychiatric facility,

or get her
locked up in prison.

One of them
was bound to succeed.

The first time
that Natalia ended up
at the Stress Center,

that was the incident
with Pledge in the coffee.

It's a morning.

Natalia was actually
in a pretty good mood,
that morning.

She asked Kristine
if Kristine would like Natalia

to help clean up
in the kitchen.

Kristine says,
"Yeah, absolutely."

So Natalia gets on a stool,
starts rinsing the dishes off,
in the sink.

I happen to be
a couple of rooms away.

Kristine goes
to the other room,
for a moment.

And she's got a coffee cup
sitting on the counter.

Natalia put the Pledge
into her coffee cup
that had coffee in it.

Kristine goes walking
to check on Natalia.

And Kristine tried to drink it
and instantly tasted Pledge.

I hear screams.

I come running.

Kristine had yelled
at Natalia.

"Did you put
this into my coffee?"

Natalia said, "Yes."

Kristine yelled at Natalia,
"Why did you do this?"

Natalia yelled back,
"Because I want to k*ll you."

[Natalia] It's not true.

None of it was true.

After all, at this point,

Kristine was b*ating me
for months.

And then, everybody thinks
that I'm some crazy person

trying to pour something
in their coffee.

Or in their drink,
whatever it is.

That's not who I am.

I think Kristine was just
trying to find an excuse
to say I was crazy.

The story about that
is something
completely different.

I was helping Kristine
clean up the kitchen.

It was one
of the good days,
you could say.

And she had this,
like, table cleaner.

And she was
spraying it on the table,

and I was helping her
wipe it down.

She had walked out
for a second.

I noticed a spot
that needed some more

so I went, I moved the chair
and climbed on it.

I scooted her coffee away,

sprayed it,

and as I was
wiping the table off,

Kristine came back in
and was like,

"What did you spray
in my coffee?"
I was like, "Nothing."

Like, you could have
looked into that coffee,

there was nothing
wrong with it.

She poured the coffee out.

Refilled it.
Went to go get her camera.

And made me do it.

And I told her.
I was like,
"I didn't do it."

And she's like,
"You're lying. Do it."

And then she literally
grabbed my hand

and made me spray it,
in the coffee.

I think that Kristine
tried to create that video

to try to have
some sort of "proof".

Like... I can't even do that.

Like, proof that...

I did something
that I didn't do.

She staged
that whole thing.

I'm not crazy.

I did not try
to poison her.

[Beth] The Barnetts
had convinced themselves

that Natalia was an adult,

pretending to be a child.

And a violent sociopath

who wanted to k*ll them.

Now, they had to
convince the world.

[Beth] It appears
Kristine's plan

to get rid of Natalia
is working.

The Barnetts
are telling neighbors,

social workers
and doctors

that Natalia
is crazy and dangerous.

And everyone
believes them.

Kristine and Michael
told people that I was

a danger to myself
and the family.

That I wanted to k*ll them.

And that I was hiding knives.

And trying to poison them.

And that I was hearing voices
telling me to do those things.

Which was not true at all.

[Michael] Natalia is
tricking people into thinking
she is an innocent person.

"Oh, no, no, no, no,
I never wanted
to hurt anybody.

I never tried
to hurt anybody.

I loved Michael and Kristine.

I just wanna be with them.

I just wanna be
a part of their family."

You got lies.

But if you know
what you're listening for,
you can identify 'em.

I have two years
of doctor's notes
that said, repeatedly,

"Patient wants
to k*ll mother."
"Patient wants to k*ll sons."

"I hated them.
I threatened to k*ll them

I tried to k*ll them."

There was one night,

Kristine and I woke up,
middle of the night.

Natalia's standing
at the foot of our bed,

holding on to a Kn*fe.

Holding it like this.

It's not like
Michael Myers way
to, you know, that.

But she is standing
at the foot of our bed,
holding the Kn*fe.

It's hard to believe
anything they say.

Because everything
that the Barnetts have said
is a lie.

From the very beginning,
about all
the make-believe stuff

that they came up with,
that they got
from off a movie.

I wish I seriously
believe that they
should be sued for that.

It's a lie.

For one...

their bed was literally
at the height of,

like, right here,

when I was really little.

And y'all saying
I was standing
at the end of the bed?

I could barely even see
over the bedpost
that they had.

Second, I ain't that strong.

I'm a eight-year-old,


If I try to even
s*ab you or anything,

I wouldn't have been
able to do it.

Like, I literally--
I can't bend my fingers

to even grip
a Kn*fe like that.

Kristine and Michael
have said that I've

just held knives
at the end of their bed.

Saying that I wanted
to hurt them,

and k*ll them
and their family.

And literally I can't--
I can't even grip it.

It's just--
It's loose in my hand.

And I can't
hold it for that long.

It gets tiring

because I am, pretty much,
like, using a muscle
that I can't really use.

I never tried
to m*rder anybody.

Like I said,

everything
that Kristine said,

she copied off the Orphan.

Kristine would get
Natalia to
go around telling

full-on strangers
that she is much older
than she is.

And also, that she is
prone to v*olence.

Kristine and Michael
decided they need
a multiple-pronged as*ault.

If the one option
didn't work out,

that they could
track the other option.

Which is to build
a case against her

as mentally defective.

And what better way
than have the kid

go around telling people
that she is a violent person

with, you know,
sadistic tendencies?

And that she thinks
about hurting her family.

This was perfect for them.

[Beth] In June of 2012,

the Barnetts finally succeeded
in getting Natalia committed

to Larue Carter
Psychiatric Facility.

[Natalia] I remember
being admitted.

When I first
got to the building,

I didn't know
what kind of hospital
it actually was.

I just...
Like, I thought it was
just like a normal hospital.

But then it was like,
once I went in,

and then I'd seen
all the people that were
actually in Larue Carter,

it was like a...
one of them, like,
old creepy hospital movies.

It was just super creepy.

I'm just like--
I'm super confused.

I'm like, "Why are we here?
Like, what is this?"

And then,
when they admitted me,

and they had brought me
to this room--

Like, it was just all empty.

Except for a bed
in the middle of the room.

It, literally, like...
Just looking at the room,
it wasn't that big.

White walls,
white sheets, white bed.

Pretty much, like,
white everything.

And then,
the only thing
that I remember

that wasn't white,
was the straps.

The straps were brown.

And they were just
dangling off he side
of the bed.

And I'm like,
"What are those?"

And the nurse was, like,
"That's only if you
try to hurt yourself."

My seven-year-old self
was scared.

I was scared.

Being in that room was

creepy.

'Cause they
locked me in there.

[gate locking]

I couldn't leave. Nothing.

I remember, like,
I got ready for bed

and it was like,
once I lay down,
the lights just cut off.

And I'm just
laying there in the dark,

terrified.

[Beth] Conveniently,
a judge decided
on an emergency petition,

to have Natalia
re-aged as an adult

while she was in
Larue Carter
Psychiatric Hospital.

In other words,
their plan is coming together,

perhaps, exactly the way
they hoped.

I didn't know
that Michael and Kristine
were changing my age.

Not once did they
mention anything to me.

Because I remember
I was in the kids' section
at Larue Carter,

in the beginning,

but then I got told
that I had to get switched
to the adult section.

The only medical professionals

who believed that
Natalia was an adult,

was the family doctor,
McLaren

and a social worker,
therapist, Susan Whitten.

And they were the basis for...

the application
to re-age Natalia.

Susan Whitten is
a licensed
clinical social worker.

Not a doctor.

Ms. Whitten wrote
a couple of letters

that alleged that
Natalia had schizophrenia

And Dr. McLaren is
my primary care physician.

He's been my primary
care physician since...



And he'd been
for the entire family.

We were probably
in that office

rather regularly.

[man] To be honest with you,
Dr. McLaren,

if the parents
kept bringing Natalia in,

and kept telling you
that she's older
than what she is...

How many times
could they bring her in,

before you start
believing it?

And having a rapport
with the family anyway,

and feeling sympathetic
to their cause,

and then so,
people would start believing

that she's older
than what she is.

[Jackie] The letters
Dr. McLaren wrote,

seemed to suggest
that his view of Natalia

was not positive,

and that he was
very sympathetic
to the Barnetts.

The letter alleged that
Natalia was a con artist

and that the Barnetts
were victims.

In our experience,
none of the--

the prosecutors had ever heard
a doctor make such claims.

There has been doctors
that have literally said

I was between
seven years old and 12.

But then there's one doctor
that writes a letter

and that's the only thing
that they use in court?

To change my age?

And it's just, "Oh, yeah,
that's accurate.

That's facts."

That doctor
was a family friend.

Literally, like,
they've known him for years.

Have you not seen
the other scans?

Have you not seen
the other letters
from the doctors?

They're all saying
that I'm a kid!

But you're gonna use
that one letter.

Like, "Oh, yeah,
that's everything we need."

Change the birthday
to 1989.

We are talking about
making her 22 from eight.

So that with the stroke
of his pen, overnight,

she is eligible
to drink, drive and vote.

Okay?

Like, that is
highly unusual.

But we know Kristine
and Michael know
that Dr. Rig said

that she was between
nine and 11,

within weeks
of getting custody of her.

We know, within a year,
the dentist said she was
between eight and nine.

The fact that they
did not let the judge
know any of this,

makes me wonder
if they were
deceiving the court.

Were they perpetrating
a fraud on the court

by not giving the court
all the information they had
about her age?

The child protection team
found out about the re-aging
after it had occurred.

There were letters
sent to, both, Department
of Children Services

and to Dr. McLaren, saying
"Hey, this isn't right.

"This is not true.
She's not 22."

According to the records
from the hospital,

the Barnetts
showed up and said,
"Here's this court order.

"that changes her age
from eight to 22."

No notice
was ever provided
to Natalia.

No hearing at which
Natalia was present.
No hearing, period.

So it was clear
that she really didn't have
any representation.

[Beth] At this point,
the Barnetts appeared
to have won.

Natalia has been
successfully re-aged.

And Michael and Kristine
are exchanging text messages

saying they need
to celebrate the fact

they'd gotten rid of Natalia.

The Barnetts are acting
like they're home free.

But then, Larue
Psychiatric Center
contacts them.

Saying there's nothing
wrong with Natalia.

And they don't even see
the need for medication
or therapy,

since they didn't
consider her
mentally unstable.

So, even though
part of the Barnett plan
to get her committed failed,

they did succeed
in getting her re-aged.

[Natalia] And I left.

But the thing was,
Kristine and Michael did not
pick me up from the hospital.

They sent me
to a halfway house.

And, like, I didn't know
what I was doing there.

Like, I didn't know
what to do there.

There was a bunch
of people that I didn't know.

I was exposed
to smoking, drinking, cussing,

pretty much the whole nine.

Like, I didn't understand
anything that was going on.

Like, even just
thinking about it,

like, I can remember
how I felt.

I was scared.

[Michael]
Kristine says to me,

"Natalia says there's people
doing dr*gs there.

And there's people
with needles there,
doing things."

And Kristine says,
"We gotta go get her."

[sighs]

"Because if something
happens to her, I'm famous.

And if they find the daughter
of the Kristine Barnett,

dead of a drug overdose...

I'm famous."

She wasn't concerned
about her health.

She wasn't concerned
about her well-being.

She was [bleep] concerned
that somebody
would find her dead

and, "Ooh!"
The saint had a daughter
that dies of an overdose.

God bless her
for really looking out
for her, right?

So they took me
back to the house.

And then,
a couple of days later,

I find out
I'm going to look
at an apartment.

So...

They just dropped me off
at an apartment,
and then just left.

Like, they didn't
explain that I was
getting an apartment,

or anything like that.

I'm over here,
eight years old,
and I'm like...

"What do I do?"

They didn't teach me
how to do anything.

And...

I was just like...

I'm lost.

Like, I--
I don't know where I am.

This place that I
have never been to before.

And they just
expect me to just... Live?

By myself?

Even though they did
what they did.

I didn't know what else to do
but wanna be with my parents.

Like, I was just
a regular kid...

that just wanted to be
with her family.

And they just...

They did all of this
just to change my age
and get me out of their house.

[music playing]

Lot of people did not like me
in that apartment complex.

I didn't understand
why though.

I didn't know that.

People, seeing me,
like, going in their houses

and getting food
and everything like that.

You know, that's not
something that a normal


Or, like, they're not
supposed to anyways.

You know...

But that was thing.
I wasn't 22.

I was eight years old.

I didn't know
that I couldn't just
go to people's houses.

I didn't know
there were boundaries.

Um, that's all put on.
That's not her--
the way she was, at all.

She knew what she was doing.

And she was 22.
They proved that she was 22.

And she wasn't
a little girl.

She was very bad.

I was Sue McCallum
and Natalia and I
were neighbors.

I misplaced her
for a little girl, at first.

But her actions
and the way she talked

and the way
she acted around people,

I can tell
that she wasn't
a little girl.

I asked her
where her mother was at.

She says, "I'm 22.
I don't need my mother."

My thoughts is
Natalia is just...

trying to get herself
to look good,

when Natalia has done
a lot of bad things.

A lot of people,
at the apartment,

reported inappropriate
things she did.

And they had to get
so much on her
before they could...

you know, like,
evict her from there.

Like when she was
inappropriate
with a little boy.

That whole story
is misunderstood.

I remember, like,
we were just, like,
rolling around in the grass,

that was in front
of that thing.

and then, like,
we was having a tickle fight.

And that's when
the dad came out
and was like,

"What are you doing?"

To me,
a tickle fight is just

tickling each other
and playing around.

Natalia was doing
more than tickling
the little boy.

She was getting too familiar
in private areas.

They said I tried to,
like, sexually touch him.

And that was
not the case at all.

I just started
getting yelled at.

I didn't know why,

And that's why I ran.

I didn't. I was scared.
I didn't know why
everybody was yelling at me.

I thought I was
just being a kid.

[Sue] This isn't
the only incident.

There was one gentleman
that was in the laundry room,

and he told me that she was
a very strange person.

And then there was other,
older gentlemen
that lived out there,

in their apartments,
by their self.

And they would let
Natalia come in

and she'd stay
for hours and hours.

[breathes deeply]

There was a day where I was
in the apartment in Westfield.

I was just walking around.
I was bored.

I didn't know
"Stranger Danger"

and not to knock
on people's doors,

and I was knocking
on people's doors.

I was just, like,
going around, like, seeing
if anybody would talk to me.

There was a guy, he was older.

He was a--
kind of a weird guy.

He invited me in.

And...

He...

He wasn't dressed.

And then, I asked
what he was watching,

and it was...

A video.
It was a very sexual video.

But I didn't know
what it was, exactly.

He played it
and he was, like,
"You can watch it."

And I just remember,
like, "Can we watch
something else?"

And he's like,
"Just watch it. It's okay."

I was sitting on the couch.

And he moved
to the other end
of the couch.

At that point,
I was just, like,
"I'm gonna go."

Thankfully, he let me go.

But it was
just the fact, like,

I'd seen enough...

that it was just
very uncomfortable.

Like, I'm just, like,
very weirded out.

Like, I'm very
uncomfortable right now.

Like I'm not even
comfortable in my own seat.
Like, It's just...

[sighs]

That man...

He was a flirty old man.

Because some other lady
was going to get her mail,

and walked by

and he was standing there
in the nude.

And she reported him
to the office.

But Natalia never
complained about
any of these things

when she was living
out at the apartment.

She was always
talking about...

being with guys and sex

and things and so...

I don't think that she...

really cared that much
that he was doing that.

[whispers] So hard.

So hard realizing
that nobody actually cared.

Like, what if the guy
r*ped me,
or something like that?

All because
Michael and Kristine,
pretty much, left me.

[dramatic music playing]

Need a hug?

It's all right.

[Antwon] Hmm.

[Antwon] There was a lot
of unfortunate things
that happened to you.

And it's really a shame

that anybody is capable
of doing that to a child.

Yeah.

The Barnetts
are free of Natalia.

They are occasionally
checking in on her.

But basically,
they're moving on
with their lives.

That is,
until they received notice,

just a couple months later,
from DCS,

that Natalia is actually
a dependent,

as a disable individual.

I would have loved
to have seen Kristine's face

when she got that notice.
Can you imagine?

The Barnetts even had
their lawyer fire off a letter

to the Department
of Children Services saying,

"Look, she's an adult.
You don't have any
jurisdiction over her."

But the Barnetts,
again, are notified

that it doesn't matter
what Natalia's age is.

She's a dependent
because of her disability.

That means the Barnetts
are on the hook,
maybe forever.

Natalia had
Diastrophic Dysplasia,

which was accompanied
by other medical conditions.

And limited...
particularly her mobility.

But also her ability
to move her arms,

and to grasp things.

And because
of those conditions,

she was a dependent.

It's not everybody
who is disabled

is necessarily dependent
on their parents forever.

But in this case,

the situation
that Natalia was left in,

wasn't okay for her.

At any age.

Every step of the way,
Kristine's plan failed.

It's dawning on her now,

they may never
get rid of Natalia.

Yes.

Yes, in person.

[Natalia] One day,
I remember,

I was living
in the first apartment.

I was taking medicine.

I don't remember what it was,
it was like
three different pills.

For the mental stuff
that Kristine claimed I had.

And um...

I remember waking up,
taking it...

And then I fell back to sleep

because the medicine
made me sleepy.

And I think it was like,
literally, only an hour later,

Kristine came.

And she was
knocking on the door,
like, pounding on the door.

And I opened the door
and she literally was like,

"Why are you still sleeping?"

Like, she was mad
that I was asleep.

And I told her
I was tired.

Kristine was very
on edge that day.

And then, she was like,
"Did you take your medicine?"

And I was like,
"Yes, I did."

And she's like,
"I don't believe you."

So she, literally,
got my medicine,

gave it to me,

gave me a water bottle,

and she's like, "Take it."

And as I was taking it,
she turned.

But I just remember
she didn't loo at me
but I did take it.

Ten she turned back around
and then she was like,
"Did you take your medicine?"

And I was, like, "Yes."
And she's like,
"I don't believe you.

Where is it?"

And then she made me
take it again
and she watched that time.

And then she left.

And then I remember
getting in the bathroom.

And then, coming out,
I literally fell.

I was so dizzy.

I couldn't even walk straight.
I couldn't even see straight.

I felt so sick.
I was dizzy.

Literally, like,
my eyes were going cross.

It was so blurry.

And then I fell asleep.
Like I blacked out...

For, like, hours
until 2:00 in the morning.

Looking back on it...

Like, it felt like
she really did
try to overdose me.

[dramatic music playing]

I really could
have d*ed that day.

I was seven years old,
taking an adult drug.

And...

taking it
three times that day...

It was, like,
three different pills.
each time.

And...

that's scary.

Like, the fact
that Kristine tried to say,

"She tried
to m*rder my family."

But then she tried
to, pretty much, m*rder me...

And nobody would have known.

Nobody would have cared.
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