14x11 - Buried

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14x11 - Buried

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[Amy Allan] She was m*rder*d

and he keeps burying her.

Sometimes, he literally shakes

the entire house.

-Something jerked me.

-Show me. Oh!

I woke up and my body

was completely paralyzed.

This shadow figure

holding this person down

by their shoulders.

-What's going on?

-Uh...

You can tell me.

[Amy] Everything

that's going on here is

about keeping your mouth shut.

He definitely is getting off

on torturing him.

[speaking softly] I'm sorry.

[Amy] All I hear from him is,

"Stay dead. Stay dead."

He wants a person dead.

My name is Amy Allan.

I see dead people.

I saw a winged creature.

I speak to dead people

and they speak to me.

This person feels

like a monster.

But there's only one way

to know if my findings

are real.

They are sucking the life

out of these people.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve DiSchiavi,

a retired New York City

homicide detective.

So how many bodies

are we talking?

And I know every person,

every house, has secrets.

It's my job to reveal them.

But Steve and I never speak.

We never communicate

during an investigation.

Until the very end.

Ooh, you're not

gonna like this.

When we uncover if it's safe

for you to stay...

I'm sorry, I need

to take a break.

...or time to get out.

-It wants inside the house,

because it wants to k*ll you.

-[gasps]

[Steve] I'm up here

in Euclid, Ohio.

It's a suburb just outside

of Cleveland.

I got a desperate call

from a single mother

of three who says

she and her kids

are getting terrorized

by the paranormal.

I feel hopeless as a mother.

And this has been

going on for four years

consistently.

And sometimes it's daily.

It's real and I need help.

But here's the weird thing,

it wasn't her idea

to reach out to us.

She was talked into it

by two of her son's

grade school teachers.

Now, that is

definitely a first.

And I'm hoping Amy and I

can help her out.

[Amy] I'm seeing

this dead girl.

She's in a decomposed,

skeletal shape.

She was m*rder*d.

She wants help.

The male who k*lled her,

he's nearly an animal.

Anytime he comes in,

she runs away.

So there's battles

between these two

dead people here.

[Steve] So, Brooke,

this is a beautiful place

to raise children.

And when we spoke

on the phone,

you sounded pretty frank.

What the hell's going on?

I need help, um, I'm tired.

[Steve] Yeah, huh?

I'll bet you are.

Oh, thank you.

-Sounds like you're

having a tough time.

-[Brooke] Yeah.

Try to stay positive,

good vibes, um, I'm always

smiling, but it hurts.

Okay, so, Brooke,

let's start with some

of the basics.

Who lives

in the home with you?

I have a photo here.

[Steve] Okay.

[Brooke] That's my daughter,

Novee, she's four.

That is my daughter Michaela,

she's and my son Kingston,

he's nine.

Okay, so they all

live here now?

Michaela used to,

um, but she moved out

about two years ago

and she will be moving back in

in a couple months.

I have a granddaughter now.

Ah, okay.

All right, is she happy

about coming home?

No, she's terrified.

Because of what's

going on here.

Yes and she would have

to move down

into the basement.

What about your little one,

as far as experiences.

Is she having any?

Absolutely.

-[Steve] Okay.

-She has probably the most.

I recently started

documenting it

and recording it.

[Brooke speaking]

That just breaks my heart.

[sighs]

Um, so something's

touching her.

This is just one

of the examples of many.

Are you telling me your son's

teachers had suggested

to call us?

Now, that's a first.

Yeah.

Tell me about that.

What happened?

They did bring up

that he is playing and talking

and seeing dead children.

And he did not want

them to tell me.

Okay, Brooke, uh,

obviously there's a lot

going on here,

so just give me a list

of what you guys

are experiencing.

[Brooke] So, we hear

strange things.

We're seeing shadow people.

Things are getting

really violent.

It's affecting my health.

What about your health?

What are we talking about?

I get headaches.

The fatigue is horrible.

Um, sometimes it almost feels

like I'm sedated.

Anxiety.

What do you think is here?

I feel like there's

a spiritual warfare

going on here.

[Amy] The man who k*lled

that dead girl I saw,

tries to be a shadow man.

There's fighting going on

between this dead woman

and this dead guy.

So, all of a sudden,

a living person's having

massive anxiety.

Massive panic, like almost

panic att*cks,

when the fighting is going on.

This person's getting

wicked headaches.

Ah, [bleep], my head.

[exclaims]

He does use headaches

to distract the living

and to get the dead girl

out of the room.

He stops her from talking,

'cause he doesn't want

anybody to know

that he k*lled her.

[bleep]

-[Steve] All right, so,

is this your bedroom?

-[Brooke] Yes.

Tell me about some

of the experiences

you're having.

I'm seeing shadow figures.

-Is it possible you're getting

a shadow from outside?

-[Brooke] No.

Why is that?

I have my curtains all closed

at all times.

Okay, so, what else

is going on?

When I was walking

through my living room,

something grabbed

my purse strap

and jerked me.

Okay, so how hard

were you jerked?

Show me.

-Are you sure?

-Yeah, yeah.

Oh! Okay.

All right. Did anything else

physical happen to you?

Yes. I was att*cked

when I was giving

my daughter, Novee, a bath.

Okay, what happened?

Out of nowhere,

my arms started burning,

like acid was on them.

I actually have a photo

I wanna show you

of the scratches.

Oof.

Those are definitely

scratches.

-This ain't a rash

or anything.

-[Brooke] No.

Why don't you just

get the hell out of here?

-I fought for this house.

-Mmm-hmm.

This is our house.

-It is your house, right?

-Mmm-hmm.

-[Steve] It's not their house.

-Right.

-Okay.

-I'm not gonna give up.

So the dead woman,

that I saw outside,

does come in here often.

I think this person

is a sensitive

and she keeps trying

to talk to this person.

I see her, like,

shaking the bed.

The person's feeling

like the bed's moving,

which is, you know,

freaking her out.

And the dead lady's

getting angry,

because she wants

to get the [bleep]

out of here.

She's touching

the lady's hair,

trying to talk

and then she gets louder

and louder and louder.

So there's a definite

miscommunication here,

between the dead

and the living.

[Steve] So, Michaela,

your mom said

you moved out of here,

because of the activity

that was going on?

[Michaela] Yes,

it was that bad.

I understand that you're

moving back here

with your two-year-old

daughter.

Why is that?

Well, I'm going back to school

to be a nurse and it's gonna

help me financially.

So, the basement, what's--

Why'd you bring me down here?

What's the story?

This is where I'm actually

moving back into.

Okay.

And this is where I felt

a lot of the activity

going on,

but this would be

the only room

for me to go.

Okay, so take me through

the experiences you had

when you were living here.

So, one night, I woke up

in my room and my body

was completely paralyzed.

I had tears coming

down my eyes.

I was crying,

'cause I was so scared.

I couldn't even scream

if I wanted to.

Were you on any kind

of medication

or anything like that?

-No.

-So, nothing. Taking any weed

that might have...

-No.

-Okay, so what else

can you tell me?

I was in my bedroom once

and when I looked

to the doorway,

there was a shadow figure.

Okay, so now,

your mom mentioned

about a shadow figure

that she saw in the hallway.

What'd it look like to you?

It looked like

a smaller person

and I honestly started crying.

-Because I was so scared.

-Right.

Because I just felt

like something bad was

about to happen to me.

It's no wonder you don't wanna

come back here.

I mean, what else is going on?

I'm constantly feeling

watched in this house.

-It's very creepy.

-Okay.

It feels creepy

and one of the reasons it does

is one of the places

-I often felt watched was

when I was in the shower.

-[Steve] Hmm.

And it felt like someone

was in the room staring at me.

[Steve] So, listen, I'm not

trying to pick on you,

but you're moving back here

with a two-year-old.

You think that's

such a good idea?

No, I honestly don't

think it's a good idea,

but, at the same time,

I don't have a choice.

[Steve] Okay. ::. --] ::. align:right line:.%

[Amy] That dude

is a little perv-y

and he does watch

women in the shower.

Don't like that.

Not good.

-He does get really angry

down there.

-[Matt] The basement?

[Amy] Yes. That's his lair.

Sometimes he literally

shakes the entire house.

They hear bangs from him

all the [bleep] time.

He literally goes

crazy down there.

He would not like

anybody down here

living-wise, period.

[Steve] Hey, Kingston,

there you are.

-[Kingston] Yeah.

-[Steve] How are you,

buddy?

[Kingston] I'm good.

-[Steve] What are you doing

out here, are you playing?

-Yeah.

So mom was telling me

you're having some experiences

in the house?

-[Kingston] Yeah.

-Yeah, what's going on?

Uh... Hmm...

You could tell me.

Well...

It's just, I need to find out

what's going on.

-Okay.

-Mom said you have some

friends that you talk to?

That nobody else can see?

Yeah.

So, what can you tell me

about them?

Um, the first one,

he likes to play

Legos with me.

And the second one,

likes to, um, watch

TV with me.

Let's talk

about the third one.

What's his story?

Um...

I, uh... Hmm...

He doesn't really do anything.

Usually, he's, um, outside.

Does he scare you at all?

Um, well, I don't know.

[Steve] What do you hoping

we can do for you?

Well, if I can have

my normal life back,

to being a playful boy,

playing with Legos,

watch TV a lot...

-[Steve] Right.

-...and play with my friends

at daycare.

[Steve] So you wanna

go back to being--

Having a normal life

and not seeing...

-[Kingston] Yeah.

-...people that nobody

else sees, right?

-Yeah, and that's all

I can tell you.

-[Steve] All right.

[Amy] I'm getting

this scared little kid

in this room.

This person is hearing

something coming

down the hallway.

I think it's the k*ller guy,

but he looks different.

And then there's, like,

I think... I wanna say

scratching at the door.

And then the door's opening

and then there's, like,

this black mist.

But, you know,

about this tall?

Kind of rolling into the room.

It was, like, you know,

a very aggressive feeling

is coming from this thing.

Like, I'm gonna [bleep]

take your [bleep] out.

And this person's scared.

At some point too,

this person's being held down.

Like, I see this shadow figure

leaning over and holding

this person down

by their shoulders.

Like, can feel

that something's

right there

and they can't move,

they can't talk.

He seems to enjoy

torturing them.

Oof.

[Steve] After talking

to Kingston, I got the feeling

he's dealing with a lot more

than he's letting on.

So, I reached out

to the teachers who talked

Brooke into calling us in,

to see what he shared

with them.

So, what made you guys

think Kingston had

some issues going on with him?

He just, kind of, talked to me

about things that he was

seeing at home

and, um, that he was

a little nervous

and apprehensive about.

Did he get specific with you?

Yeah, he, um,

told me that there were

three children.

And that two children

interact more with him

than the third.

And that the third is,

um, not as nice.

He got really bad vibes

off of him and that he

was, like, really mean.

He said something

interesting to me.

He says, um,

"Well, if they do leave,

then I can get my life

back to normal."

That, to me, makes me

feel like right now,

it's bothering him a lot.

It's really weighing

heavy on him.

He is struggling.

Ladies, you're convinced

that what's going

on with Kingston's

paranormal-related

and not anything else?

Yes, my family actually

grew up in the area

and we've had

experiences as well.

-He's a good kid

and it's a good family.

-It is a good family.

[Steve] So, I'm curious,

you guys being teachers

and suggesting the paranormal,

were you worried about,

any kind of, backlash,

or anything like that?

No, I wasn't, uh,

after you teach

for over years,

you see a lot

and you experience a lot

and you know your kids.

And Kingston is not one

to make up stories

to scare people.

Okay.

I feel like this person

wasn't being taken seriously

for a while

and has seen

a lot of [bleep].

I think that this person

is actually kind of happy

that we're here.

'Cause I think this person's

very tired and scared.

[Steve] We've done

quite a few cases here

over the years,

so I've made a bunch

of local contacts.

One of them is a genealogist.

She just called me,

saying a couple

of the original owners

of Brooke's property

have a story I definitely

need to know about.

Well, Mary, it's good

to see you again, ::. --] ::. align:right line:.%

I appreciate you

helping me out.

All right, so, what can you

tell me about this family?

All right, well, back in ,

there were two brothers.

-Okay.

-Michael and John Hartman.

And they bought three lots

right here where your

client's property is today.

It's seems that they were

planning to move their mom

on to one of the lots,

because she had been widowed

when they were

very young boys.

Okay, so the kids were looking

to take care of their mother.

[Mary] Yes.

All right, so they seem

like a close-knit family.

Do you know anything else

about them?

Well, they were immigrants

from Transylvania,

which was the Catholic region

of Romania.

All right, so we got

two brothers that owned

my client's property.

Let's start with, uh, Michael.

All right, well Michael

actually would up moving

to Indiana shortly after

they bought the property.

Okay.

And he worked

as a truck driver

for the public library.

But it turned out,

Michael was leading

sort of a double life.

He was running

a bootlegging operation

and a speakeasy

and he was arrested

for that in .

I have a newspaper

article about that.

[Steve] Does he do

any jail time?

Does he plea out?

What happened to this guy?

Presumably, he did

a little bit of time

and he would up

dying in Indiana

in at the age of .

[Amy] There's

something really strange

about this k*ller guy.

He is afraid of Catholicism,

so that's interesting.

I feel like this bad guy

did live here.

Something about mother,

possibly living with her.

Some kind of, like,

government job, like, I mean,

obviously he got benefits.

Definitely mentally ill.

Okay, so we got one brother

who's a bootlegger.

-And d*ed at the age of

in Indiana.

-Mmm-hmm.

Okay, so what about John?

What do we know about him?

Unlike Michael, uh,

John stayed on the property.

Things turned tragic for John

almost immediately.

So, what happens

with this guy?

He had a wife

and she came down

with a severe case

of pneumonia.

She was only years old

when she d*ed in .

[Steve] All right,

so does this guy wind up

remarrying at all?

Yes, he marries,

actually, pretty quickly.

He marries a woman

named Johanna.

Okay, so is there anything

else I should know

about this family?

By , John was

diagnosed with a terrible

kidney disease.

Uh, he suffered with this

for ten years.

All right, so this guy

had a miserable existence

for all this time.

Yes, he did.

He d*ed on your client's

property in ,

at the age of .

[Steve] What about Johanna,

does she stick around?

Johanna stayed on the land

for another years.

She wound up dying

in at age of .

So it's a sad story,

you know...

Comes here as an immigrant,

thoughts of new life,

loses his wife young.

And then, ten years

of suffering from something

like that had to be

incredibly hard for this guy.

Yeah, he suffered a lot.

[Amy] There's a couple.

So, man and wife.

I guess both are deceased.

Uh, they ran upstairs,

so I need to get upstairs.

Okay, I don't know

where they went.

I think they're hiding

in a closet.

I think he d*ed

before she did.

[Steve] I just got a call

from my old friend,

journalist Lou Hebert.

Now, he said

he found something

that may help my case.

He tells me a teenage girl

d*ed in a lake,

less than a mile

from Brooke's house.

At first, everyone

thought it was a drowning.

That is, until it started

to look like a m*rder.

Well, Lou, it's good

to see you again.

Uh, thanks for helping me out

on another case.

So, before we get

to the drowning,

what do we know

about this victim?

Her name was Molly Petelinker.

She was at the time,

she was, uh, born

and raised here in Euclid.

At the time, she was dating

a guy by the name

of John Mckay.

He was seven years

her senior, he was

years of age.

Okay, Lou, so let's

get to the drowning,

what happened?

Well, it happened

on June seventh, .

John and Molly were

right here at Euclid Beach.

They took a rowboat

out into the lake.

A few hours later,

the rowboat comes

back to the beach,

and it's overturned.

Okay, so, I assume

they had a search party?

Yeah, they started

looking for them,

but they didn't find

anything right away.

But about two weeks later,

a fisherman happened upon

a body of a woman.

She was wrapped

in fisherman's line.

And then they determined

it was, in fact, Molly.

-Okay.

-But they never

found John.

And it was presumed

that he had drowned as well.

Here's a picture of her,

an article at the time.

[Steve] All right, so when did

they start to consider this

a m*rder?

Molly's sister gets a letter.

A very strange letter

that's expressing sympathy

and some guilt

over Molly's death.

and interestingly enough,

it's signed

by a fictitious author.

The police decide

to reopen the case now,

and they put out a citywide

search for John Mckay.

Here's an article

on it right there.

[Steve] All right, so did

they ever find this guy?

No, they looked

for about a year

and a half,

and John Mckay

has never been found.

[Steve] It's very strange,

this story.

I'm more on the side

of there's a little

foul play here.

I would tend to agree. It's--

He's probably, um--

-He probably found

a new life somewhere.

-[Steve] Yeah.

[Amy] The k*ller guy

hides his victim down here.

This is where he likes

to keep the lady.

She did not get buried.

He left her outside

and she rotted really quick.

This dude k*lled her,

and he thinks

nobody knew about this,

but here, he like, keeps her,

and he keeps burying her,

and burying her,

and burying her.

All I hear from him is,

"Stay dead. Stay dead.

Stay dead. Stay dead."

He just wants her

to be quiet and disappear...

...because he doesn't

want her telling everybody

anything about

her being m*rder*d,

I think, by him.

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[Steve] So far, I've got

a terrified mother

worried about the safety

of her children

on a property where one

of the first owners suffered

a long and painful death...

...but I wanna see

if there's anything else.

Searching through old records,

I make a horrifying discovery:

There was a deadly

fire at a school

near Brooke's house.

I'm heading over to meet

a local author who wrote

a book about this tragedy.

Now, he says the worst part is

it was completely preventable.

So, Dr. Badal,

I appreciate you helping

me out with this case

and taking the time.

Before we get

to this horrific fire,

what can you tell me

about the school?

Well, the school was

originally constructed

in .

This is what the finished

building looked like.

to children were

distributed among nine

different classrooms.

[Steve] Do me a favor.

Take me through the fire.

What happened?

[Dr. Badal] Well,

it was March , .

-year-old girl, she asked

to go to the lavatory,

and as she walked

down the stairway,

she saw a little wisp of smoke

coming up between the cracks

of one of the steps,

so she called

to the janitor,

whom she saw,

and when he saw the smoke,

he ran into one

of the classrooms

and pulled the fire alarm.

Where did things go wrong?

[Dr. Badal]

Virtually everywhere.

When the janitor opened

the doors at both sides

of the building,

the wind just went like this,

and the entire interior

of the school was wood.

-So, it turned it

into a big chimney.

-[Dr. Badal] So...

It turned it into a chimney,

and there was a second

factor involved.

The interior was Georgia pine,

and the janitor cleaned it

and kept it looking nice

by using oil,

which is an accelerant.

[Steve] Does

the fire department

eventually show up?

[Dr. Badal] Yes.

Okay, so what happened

once they got there?

The pressure

in the hydrants

was low,

and they didn't have ladders

that were big enough to reach

to the second and third floor.

Any fire escapes?

There was one.

In a building that big?

Originally, the builder

wanted to use three,

but the school board

balked at the cost.

Okay. I'm not surprised.

There's actually some footage

that was taken of the fire.

[Steve] Unbelievable.

-These kids

never had a chance.

-[Dr. Badal] No.

[Steve] Now, you told me

how many kids

went to this school.

What was the final

death count?

children were k*lled,

two teachers,

and one would-be rescuer.

The fire was so bad

that of the children

never were identified.

[Steve] So, Jim, when we

spoke on the phone,

you said that this might

have been preventable.

What'd you mean by that?

They determined

that the cause of the fire

was an overheated steam pipe

too close to a wooden joist.

Okay.

It was a design flaw.

Was there an investigation?

Anybody charged?

[Dr. Badal] No.

There was a very

extensive investigation,

but no one was

actually charged.

In fact, here's

an article about it.

[Steve]

"Slaughtered Innocents!"

That's a good title.

So, let me ask you a question.

As far as school fires go,

where does this rank

in our country?

This is the worst school fire

in American history.

[Amy] I saw several

disturbing things on my walk,

but the dead k*ller

burying his female victim

in the basement

concerns me the most.

I saw a grave,

and it had fresh

earth put on top,

and then around it,

it had, uh, little stones.

What I saw of him was

basically the back of him,

and he had, like,

an old-fashioned shovel.

Amy, is this what you saw?

Yes. That's what I saw.

[Steve] Now that Amy

and I have completed

our investigations,

we're ready to reveal

our findings to each other

and our clients

for the first time.

So, guys, this is Amy.

she's gonna be

doing the reveal

from another room

so she can focus

on the dead and your case

without any distractions.

Amy, this is Brooke

and her daughter, Michaela.

Now, Brooke

is a single mom

who lives here

with her four-year-old

daughter, Novee,

and her nine-year old

son, Kingston.

Now, Michaela used

to live here,

but she had some terrible

experiences and moved out,

but now,

for financial reasons,

she has to move back

in with her two-year-old,

and she doesn't think

it's going to be safe,

and that's why

they called us in.

Unless Amy's got

some questions for you,

she'll tell us about her walk.

[Amy] During my walk,

I encountered four

deceased people.

The first ones

that I wanna talk about

are, uh, an older couple.

I believe that it's

a man and a wife.

I could not really gather

if they had lived here or not.

They were both kind of,

you know, on the heavier side

because of their age, mainly.

They looked to be

in their sixties.

Late sixties,

early seventies,

I think.

I do believe the male d*ed

prior to the female.

All right, it's not

a lot to go on,

but a few things remind me

of a guy who used to own

this property

and lived on it

with two different wives.

His name was John Hartman.

Hartman came here

from Transylvania,

saved up, and bought

the property in .

Now, his time here was brutal.

In , his first wife

d*ed from pneumonia.

She was only years old.

But, he quickly remarried.

His new wife

was named Johanna.

Now, you said the man

d*ed before the woman.

In , John was diagnosed

with a kidney disease.

He suffered

for ten long years,

though in ,

John Hartman d*ed

right here on the property.

He was years old

when he d*ed.

I have his death

certificate here.

Now, after John's death,

Johanna lived here

for another years.

She d*ed in

at a local hospital

and she was years old.

Is it possible that's

the dead couple

you ran into?

[Amy] You know, it's

definitely a possibility.

[Steve] Okay,

what else we got?

[Amy] Now, I'm gonna

discuss the other two

individuals that are here.

One of them is a m*rder*r,

and one of them is his victim.

The victim, the female,

is in a very, uh,

decomposed state.

I saw her in this room

and going upstairs

and to the right.

-[Steve] That's

your room, Brooke?

-[Brooke] Yes.

She's trying to get

help from you,

and the reason why is

because you're a sensitive...

...but you've really

shut that down.

I'm sorry.

-What's going on?

-Like, she said I...

I, like, feel stuff,

but I just shut it down.

I only discuss

that with myself.

I've told nobody

in this world.

Nobody.

Not even you.

She really wants

to tell her story

and to move on.

The m*rder*r, the k*ller guy,

does not want her to talk.

When she tries

to communicate with you,

he gets pissed off

and they fight,

and you're picking up

on it via emotion

and you're getting

panicked and freaked out.

Now, your anxiety is something

that's a real issue.

Tell Amy how that goes.

[Brooke] So, it just hits.

I could just walk into a room

and I feel a sense

of something's not right,

something's bad,

and I go into really

bad anxiety.

It makes sense.

[Steve] Now, you said

this m*rder victim tries

to get Brooke's attention.

What does she do?

I did see her touching,

so, like, caressing

the hair and the face.

She's just trying

to get your attention.

So, um, a week

after we moved in,

I was walking

through the living room

and someone grabbed

my purse strap,

and it took me

back a couple feet.

I asked her

to demonstrate on me,

and I have news

for you, she...

-[Amy] Pretty hard?

-[Steve] Yeah, I mean,

I'm pounds

and she pulled me.

[Amy] Wow.

The other thing is

when you got scratched.

-Mmm.

-[Steve] Tell her

about that.

So, I was giving

my daughter a bath,

and it felt like someone

poured acid on my arms,

and when I

brought my arms out,

there was

huge scratches

going down my arms.

I got a photo

right here to show you.

Could that be this woman

trying to get her attention,

or is that something else?

That's more than likely the...

The k*ller.

-[Steve] Ah.

-[Amy] Yeah.

So, since we're talking

about physical,

I wanna talk about Novee.

You had given me a video

I want to show to Amy.

That would more than likely

be the female.

It makes me very nervous,

and the fact that I'm

bringing my daughter

and I'm seeing this

with my little sister,

it already breaks my heart.

[Steve] As far

as this k*ller goes,

any idea who he might have

been when he was alive?

[Amy] According to him,

this m*rder he was

able to keep secret

when he was alive.

I believe that he might

have lived here.

I'm thinking that he may

have lived with his mother.

He has a deep fear

of Catholicism,

and I got that he may have had

some type of government job,

like a mailman or something.

What you're talking

about makes me think of

the brother of John Hartman

that owned the property.

Now, his name was Michael,

and he and John

bought three lots

Of property here

together back in .

One of the lots was

supposed to be for John,

the other for Michael,

and the third

was supposed to be

for the widowed mother...

-Ah.

-[Steve] ...so she

could live here.

Now, you said this--

The k*ller's afraid

of Catholicism.

As I mentioned, this family

was from Transylvania.

Apparently, it's an extremely

Catholic region of Romania.

But, like you said, Michael

had a government job.

He drove a library truck.

But, as far

as murdering someone?

I got nothing on that.

[Amy] He kept it

a secret in life.

All of the boxes are

coming together with him.

-With the Catholicism

and all that?

-Yeah.

When I went down

into the basement,

he is burying her.

This happens over

and over and over again

because she gets out,

and that's when she's

coming to you and trying

to talk to you,

and then he's gotta get her

and put her back in the grave.

Like, he just wants her gone.

I did have a sketch done

of this situation.

This should be interesting.

[shudders] This is creepy.

Michaela, that's your new

space in the house, isn't it?

Oh, no.

[Michaela] Like, that's

terrible and terrifying.

Like, that's supposedly

happening, like,

where I'm supposed to be

living with my child.

[Amy] And the basement, like,

that's his place.

He doesn't want any

of the living down there.

So, does this k*ller

do anything to interact

with these guys?

I did get that he,

on occasion, will watch

the females,

uh, bathing or showering.

That was the two

spots, actually.

It was the basement

and the shower

where I constantly

felt watched.

I saw that he,

at one point,

got into a rage,

and it literally felt

like the house shook.

Like, it was

like this... [rattling]

[Steve] Brooke, have you

heard anything like that?

[Brooke] Yes.

Very obnoxious banging

for about to minutes.

What? That long?

-Yeah.

-[Amy] Holy smokes!

He is pretty active

in one of the bedrooms,

uh, which is the one

directly across from here.

-[Steve] So, that's

Kingston's room?

-[Brooke] Yes.

[Amy] I did think

it was a boy.

I got that he was, like,

excited for us to be here

because he is tired and scared

of all of these experiences

that he has had,

and he felt like he wasn't

being taken seriously,

and that frustrated him.

Wow, Kingston. I'm a little

blown away by that.

So, Amy, here's

what you need to know.

Kingston was having

problems at school,

um, and he told his teachers

that he was seeing three

different dead children

here at the house.

He told them two were nice

and one not so much.

The reason we're here

is because those teachers

called Brooke

and told her to have us

come in and investigate.

I was upset

because he never told me.

He never opened up,

and when I asked him, he said,

"I wanted to protect you."

Who are these kids

that he might be talking to?

He might be, uh,

perceiving the older couple

as the two friendly children.

Okay.

And, maybe perceiving

the other kid who's bad

is the k*ller.

I interviewed him

and he seems to be holding

back something else.

[stammers] He's not

telling me everything.

Everything that's going

on here is about keeping

your mouth shut.

That's the k*ller's MO.

That's what he's

doing to this woman.

I mean, that's, like,

the whole thing here

is keep your mouth shut,

and I think the k*ller

has targeted him

because he has

medium abilities.

I think the k*ller feels

a thr*at that he could

get him out of here.

He could push him out

and expose his secret.

There was one situation.

it was really dark.

He was hearing footsteps

coming down the hallway...

...and then the doors opening,

and then there's, like,

this black mist

kinda rolling into the room.

The feeling was just

rage and aggression

and very threatening,

so it seems like he

definitely is getting off

on torturing him as well.

This poor kid is

going through hell.

What kind of mother am I

to bring my daughter somewhere

where I know is not safe?

I...

I'm sorry.

[Steve] So, Brooke,

you know why Kingston's

been having all these issues,

and Michaela,

you know why the basement

freaks you out,

so it's time to answer

the big question:

Is there anything you guys

can do about this,

and if so,

what's it gonna take?

Uh, for that answer,

I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.

[Amy] What I would

like to see happen

is for a male medium

who is a practicing Catholic,

they'll come here

and they will engage

with the k*ller

and move him on.

Once he is gone,

I feel that the female

will be able to finally

see clearly her way out.

Once that's done,

the older couple will leave.

So, once they

get rid of this--

The k*ller, right?

Michaela can move in, or does

she need to wait a while?

Yeah, no. She can

totally move in, yeah.

He'll be gone,

the lady'll be gone,

everybody'll be gone.

-How do you feel

about that?

-Relief.

[laughs]

It's sorta like... [exhales]

-I'm happy about this.

-[Steve] Me, too.

We are also dealing

with abilities here,

and functioning, and I am

concerned about your health.

It would be really great

if you could see

a Reiki practitioner.

You have a lot of stuff

that needs to get

out of your body,

and then, with Kingston,

we need to create a lot

of safe spaces for him.

So, what I would like

is for him to see

a child therapist,

uh, who's open to this.

I know Kingston was

your number one concern.

The behavior was not him.

I felt like something was--

There's more to it.

But now you know why.

Now I know why.

-But you feel

relieved about that?

-I do.

-I do.

-[Steve] Yeah.

You're gonna do

what she says, right?

Of-- %.

-Are you kidding me?

-Yes.

You look much better.

Yeah.

This is huge for us

and our family.

I appreciate you guys more

than I could ever express.

Seriously.

[Amy] I really hope

Brooke contacts a medium

to remove the k*ller

and the other dead

trapped inside her home.

If she does that and finds

a therapist for Kingston

as well as a Reiki master

for herself,

I believe this family

will find the peace

and happiness they deserve.

We took your advice.

Um, we did everything

that you had put together

for us that would help us,

and it worked.

As you can see now,

my beautiful daughter

is finally moving down

to the basement,

and we have

been renovating it.

Yeah, I couldn't

appreciate you more.

I feel % comfortable

down here,

and it's definitely

because of your guys' help.

-Thank you, guys!

-Thank you!
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