10x10 - About Bruce: Part 1

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10x10 - About Bruce: Part 1

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[dramatic music]

[Bruce] Are you ready? Let's do it.

[solemn music]

[indistinct chatter]

-[Kim] What are those?
-[Khloé] I got Bruce a present.

-[Kim] Wait, that's his size, a 13?
-He said he's a 13-M.

[Khloé] Which I don't know
what "M" is. Here's one.

-[Kim] Those are cute.
-[Khloé] He said he doesn't have enough…

She doesn't have a lot of shoes.

Coming in and doing this interview,
I do have high anxiety.

I don't know if I'm gonna cry,
laugh awkwardly, or…

I don't know if I'm saying
the right thing,

if I'm using the right terminology,
if I'm offending somebody.

I'm not trying to do any of that.

But I'm also digesting things
as I receive them, and I'm also…

This is my first time
going through something like this.

I am fine with him dressing as a woman,
and I want Bruce to be happy.

[waves lapping]

[solemn music]

-[Khloé] Bruiser?
-[Bruce] Yo!

-[Khloé] Woo! That is a hike.
-[Bruce] Look at you.

-[Khloé] Hi.
-In torn-up jeans, oh, my god!

[smooches]

-I love you. What is this?
-Your gravel is not good for high heels.

-No, it's not good. I'm sorry.
-It's not.

-What is this?
-I got you some prezzies.

[groans]

-[Bruce] Are those from you?
-Yeah.

Now, I don't know her taste yet,
so I'm trying to figure that out.

To be honest with you,
I don't know her taste, either.

-[Khloé] Oh, you don't?
-Yeah. But do you know how nice this is?

-[Khloé] Yay!
-No, without even opening.

-Do you know how nice this is?
-Aww. Well, Brucey,

-you deserve it.
-[Bruce] And how much I appreciate this?

Well, good. You deserve it.

[clears throat]

Since I can remember,
when I was a little kid,

um, my gender identity
was always an issue.

People don't see that on the outside.

They don't know
the struggle on the inside.

[rising music]

And so I just literally ran away from it.

[thrumming music]

[Bruce] I could be this male, macho guy,

you know, and prove
to the world your manhood.

You go out there
and kick the world's butt.

The last person in the world

you would ever think would have,
you know, problems like this.

Bango! Here I am, Mr. Macho,
dealing with gender identity issues.

My little secret
that I wouldn't tell anybody.

[rock music]

I've been holding her off all my life.

Push her away, push her away,
push her away.

[film reel rattling]

[wrapper crinkles]

-This is so much fun.
-So much fun.

Ooh!

-[Khloé] And look!
-They are the same!

-We're twins. Try yours on.
-Those are very cute.

You'd really want me to try them on?

Yeah. I wanna see if it fits,
or else we have to get new ones.

[Bruce] Okay. Mm-hmm. One second.

[exhales]
There we go.

-They fit!
-[Khloé] Yeah! Who wore it better?

-[Bruce] Who wore it--
-[Khloé] Bitch stole my look.

[giggles]

-[Bruce] You are so sweet.
-[Khloé] Oh, yay! I'm so happy you like.

-Give me a hug, baby. Give me a hug.
-Aww!

-[door opens, closes]
-[Kendall] Hi, Dad.

[Bruce] Hi, baby. How's my baby?

-Good.
-[Bruce] Good.

[Khloé] Are you feeling better
now that more people know?

When you keep a secret for all your life

and never have an opportunity
to talk about it, to deal with it,

you have no idea how tough it is on you.

[Kris] What's the day, Kendall?
Why is this day special?

-Fourth of July.
-The Fourth of July.

I remember being a kid
and not knowing what was going on.

Oh, my god, why are you… I can't, um…

I just remember being little
and not really knowing what was going on.

[sniffles]
And, um…

We would find things
like makeup or like lipstick,

and we thought he
was having an affair, at one point,

and we didn't know what to do,
we didn't want our family to be broken up.

So we wouldn't tell anybody.
[breathes deeply]

When Kourtney and Kim found out,
it's because Kimberly walked in on Bruce.

I just came home, and I walked
in the garage to go to my bedroom,

and Bruce was dressed up like a woman.

I ran to Kourtney's,
and I was hysterical, crying.

We have no idea
what this is or what this means.

So I kept the secret
for maybe, you know, 12 years.

I found out, when he did his appearances,

that he would get dressed
and walk the lobby of his hotel,

'cause he felt so good that he could
do that and no one knew it was him.

And I remember I would just be so scared.
Like, "What if someone catches him?"

I ran into him at this house, actually,
like, a year ago, I remember.

He doesn't even know.
[sniffles, chuckles]

He has no idea. I was going
to get water downstairs, at 4:00 a.m.

I woke up to go get water.

And I walked down the stairs,
came to the kitchen, got my water.

He was coming down, and I saw him.
I was coming from the kitchen.

Thank God he turned right
and went through the middle of the stairs,

instead of turning left because we
would have bumped right into each other.

I just backed up and he walked
through the middle,

and then I ran up the stairs quietly
and I went to bed.

I just feel bad.

Like, if that's really
what makes you happy,

then you had to sneak around
at, like, 4:00 a.m.?

Because you didn't want
to, like, scare me and Kylie?

And Kourtney, Kim, and I
never said a word, not even to my mom,

'cause we never wanted
to make my mother feel uncomfortable.

I imagine Bruce is so relieved
to have told us this

that he might not understand
the full effect.

He told me about four months ago.

He told all the kids separately and alone.

I don't think I've ever been
as scared, uh, in my life

as I was to be
extraordinarily honest with my kids.

[Kylie] He asked me
to come over his house one day.

And then, he sat me down and he…

He told me, he told me everything.

I just felt like he felt, like,
comfortable telling me or something.

And, like, that made me feel--

[bleep] I'm, like, can't even
get anything out, and, um…

[sniffles]

[breathes deeply]

[emotional music]

He was very emotional
when talking to me about it.

Um, I remember he was crying.

And just I think his biggest concern
is he doesn't wanna hurt us.

I still feel like he hasn't really decided
exactly what he's going to do.

He just doesn't really have an answer,
and maybe he doesn't know the answer,

which is fine,
I think he's kind of taking it as it goes.

[birds squawking]

At this point in my life, this is kind
of my thing. This is what I wanna do.

Do you… And I don't know
if this is, like, too deep.

Are you planning on not being Bruce
anytime soon?

Uh, that's quite possible, yeah.

[tense music]

It's something that we all need to know.

I don't think you could just say…
Like, you have children.

You don't need our permission,
but you need to tell us.

I've already talked to all my kids
and told you what I was going through.

I thought it was pretty much understood.

-Did you understand that?
-Mm-mm. I didn't know that.

-You didn't make that part clear. Yeah.
-You definitely withhold information.

My sisters and I knew
from whenever we found out years ago

that Bruce was a cross-dresser,

but we were never told that he was gonna
fully transition and become a woman.

[tense music]

[Khloé] So, when is Bruce gonna be gone?
Do you have a time frame?

Probably in the spring.

This spring?

-Mm-hmm.
-So, Bruce is gonna be gone

within the next four to five months?

Yeah.

[dramatic music]

I don't care that you wanna do it.
I support you. I've always supported you.

But I don't think it's fair
that you don't tell us

how close this is in the near future.

We're still your kids.

I don't care that you wanna do it.
I support you. I've always supported you.

But I don't think it's fair
that you don't tell us

how close this is in the near future.

We're still your kids.
I don't care how old I am.

Everybody you talk to about this subject,
especially when they're that close,

you get a different reaction.

[Bruce] There's so many different things
that they're dealing with, you know.

Sometimes, it's really tougher
for them than it is for you.

[Khloé] And don't you think
we're scared? We all have emotions.

And I'm not gonna feel

like I'm not allowed to be honest
with you about my feelings,

'cause that's not fair
for you to do to us.

[Bruce] I agree.

This entire process, I think,
no matter how honest Bruce is with us,

for me, it's just something
that will take time

in digesting and getting used to.

I'm gonna get a tissue.

[dramatic music]

He's the most amazing person I know.
I couldn't ask for a better dad, like…

[Kendall] He taught me how to ride a bike
and be the tomboy that I am and…

[sniffles, laughs]

Every single day, we went to school
45 minutes away from home.

He would drive us to school. He'd be
the first one in the line to pick us up.

Here comes our kids. They're so excited
about the first day of school.

[Bruce] Here's Kimberly.
Yes, bebopping around. Our teenager.

[Khloé] Shotgun!

Bruce was the greatest stepdad,

because he treated my kids
like they were his own.

-Please do not film me. Do not film me.
-[Bruce] Isn't she the cutest?

There's been so many memories shared
and so many…

[inhales]

…different amazing times
with our kids and our family.

[Kris] Here's my crazy husband.
Honey, this is the only time.

I'm doing it next.

Let's jump together.
Are you ready? One, two, three, go!

[Kim] We were so excited
to have Bruce in our lives.

He was just so much fun.

And I just remember he would sit up
and tell us, like, stories at night,

and he really promised my dad

that he would be there
for us unconditionally.

And he really has, you know,
held up his end of the bargain.

Bruce has been my dad
since I've been four years old.

I've lived with him every single day
since I've been four.

-[Bruce] Khloé's here. Say hi.
-Hi.

[Kylie] He's the person
that knows everything…

Stick with Daddy.

So he always has
the answers to everything.

And there's my little Kylie.

Whatever happens, I always
want you to know that Daddy loves you.

And I think you're just a wonderful
little girl. And could I have a kiss?

[Kendall] I just don't like
when people say Bruce is gonna be gone.

[Khloé] I know, it's not fair.

Like, for you not
to tell your kids this [bleep].

It's just not okay.

[sniffles]

[footsteps approaching]

[Bruce] One of the most difficult things
in talking to your child

and trying to keep your relationship
with your child very strong

for me is honesty about the severity
of what's happening right now.

Sometimes, it's easier to talk
to people you don't know about this issue

than it is to your kids.

-I love you. I'm not going anywhere.
-We love you.

You know, it's like, all of a sudden,

you're getting this feeling
like I'm abandoning you.

I'm not abandoning anybody. I apologize
if I didn't communicate good enough.

[Kendall] I think it's just scary
when someone says

that Bruce is gonna be gone
and you're not gonna be like you anymore.

[Bruce] I never said Bruce
is gonna be gone.

I know, but you
just make it feel that way.

-I'm not going anywhere. I'm here.
-[Khloé] Yeah, but it's not the same--

-Yes, and I know you are. I will never--
-And probably be closer to you.

We want you to do what makes you happy.

We all do and we're gonna support you
and be there for you,

but you have to be honest with us,
even if it hurts you.

'Cause it's going to hurt all of us,
but this hurts us more.

Like, us feeling like--

Well, her and Kylie are the only ones
that I'm really concerned about.

[tense music]

[Khloé] When I think about
this whole thing, I consider my emotions

just as important as Kendall or Kylie's.

I've known Bruce, like,
longer than Kendall and Kylie have,

if you wanna, like, put it out there.

Yes, we're not blood, but it's…
I don't know. It's still my dad.

[tense music]

-[waves lapping]
-[birds squawking]

I think we're all passionate
and emotional.

[Khloé] And I think I'm
pretty damn close with you.

[Bruce] I agree. It's very difficult.

If you're so concerned,
shouldn't her and Kylie

-have the opportunity to say goodbye?
-[Bruce] But I'm not going anywhere.

It's not the same person.

[Khloé] You even said yourself,
"I'm way more fun when I'm her."

Dealing with something like this,
and I get it,

is dealing like with a death
in the family.

You don't look like him anymore.

You somewhat act like him, but not really.

It's a tough transition
for the people around you.

Once they get through that breakthrough,
that whole thing, and say,

"You know what? The world's
not collapsing. Let's move on with life."

I think we all need to have a sit-down,

and you have to be willing
to answer these questions

no matter how draining it might be.

[Bruce] So let's set up a time.

-Next couple of days.
-[Khloé] We should.

[serious music]

-[Bruce] Love you.
-Love you.

You know, as a young, young boy,
you know, seven, eight, nine, ten,

[Bruce] I knew something wasn't right,

but I never really had
a chance to express it.

And so the few times I had
where I had the opportunity

to, you know, steal some
of my mom's clothes,

my sister's clothes, this and that,
uh, you know, I just went for it.

I liked that side of me.
But it also scared me to death.

Scared me to death.
"Oh, my god, what do I do here?"

You know, everybody thinks
I got to be this boy,

when you don't know if you feel that way,
so I'm just gonna show them all.

As a young person,
you're just totally confused with no help.

These are my issues
that I have to deal with on my own.

And you're thinking someday
you're gonna get over it.

So my whole life, I've used distractions.

Certainly, the games were
the biggest distraction from who I am.

[crowd cheering]

[crowd whistling]

I met him on a blind date,
and it was kind of love at first sight.

[warm music]

Within the next five months,
we were walking down the aisle.

I declare that Bruce and Kris
are now husband and wife.

-[crying]
-[crowd clapping]

We had so much in common that it was
kind of a match made in heaven.

-Look up, look up! Look at the camera!
-[screams]

You think this is bad.
Wait till in 20 years

we get a picture of us
and all the grandkids.

We went to races. We played golf.
We went snow skiing.

[Kris] I mean, there wasn't anything
we didn't do.

Keep your eye out for traffic.
Your job is out here to look for traffic.

[Kris] And we could not keep
our hands off each other.

A romantic kiss for my beautiful
pregnant wife on our property.

[Bruce] I love those times.

You know, Kris is a really good woman,
and I love her to death.

And the love and acceptance
I have gotten from Kris

is absolutely overwhelming.

[warm music]

-[Kim] You look good, Bruce.
-[Bruce] Thank you. Thank you. So do you.

-You always look good.
-[Kim] Thank you.

Your house looks nice,
with the flowers and--

We got the flowers going,
we got the whole thing working.

-We got to take care of the old house.
-It looks really nice. I'm impressed.

You know, I'm in escrow
on the other place.

I'm very excited. Hopefully, in the next
three weeks or so, I'll be out of here.

-[Kim] Yeah. That's amazing.
-Yeah, very excited about it.

Well, I hope tonight
goes better than last night.

Why? What happened last night?

Well, you pro… I'm sure you heard.
Khloé must have talked to you.

-No, I didn't. I haven't talked to her.
-Kendall talked to you?

-No, what?
-They ganged up on me.

-[Kim] Why? What did they say?
-[Bruce] It felt like, last night,

if I just didn't communicate
good enough with them.

-Mm-hmm.
-[Bruce] Khloé was just like,

you know, "What are you doing?
How can you do this?

You have to tell us everything. How can
other people know and I don't know?

This is family." Got Kendall all riled up.

[Kim] I think Bruce
is afraid to let us down.

He raised us, you know?
He's been in our life for 25 years.

We wanna understand his struggle.

We want to learn about it.
We want to relate to it in some way.

I think we know you well enough
to know that you don't wanna hurt us.

Like, that's not even a concern of ours.

I think what just hurts us is when we hear
things are changing and happening,

and we don't know about it.

We just want to be in the loop.

-Yeah. Well, that's--
-You know, I think we just feel like--

I've had secrets all my life.
It's tough not to have secrets. You see.

[Bruce] I always do my… See?

Your feet are actually way more feminine
than I ever would have imagined.

-[Bruce] Thank you.
-I am impressed.

Yeah. No, actually,
they come out pretty good.

-And I do it all myself.
-You do that yourself?

-Yes, I do all my nails myself.
-Really?

Yeah. Actually, I do very good
in the makeup department.

I could do your makeup.
I can do it all, baby.

I am really shocked at your toes.
I'm, like, shocked.

See, I did Khloé's toes one time.

She's gone, "I gotta get my toes done."
I said, "I'll do your toes for you."

She said, "No way." I said, "I'll do it."
So I did her toes for her.

And she goes,
"How the hell do you know this?"

But honestly, I would--

That literally looks like
a professional did that.

[Bruce] Well, thank you. I would always,
even when I was at the house,

I would always just wear socks.

There's just little things you can do

that make you feel
a little bit better about yourself.

I'm so tired of lying.

About my life, about who I am,
about everything.

It's just like, after a while, it just
kind of wears your ass out, you know?

I just want to be honest,
no matter what happens in the future.

-You know?
-So are you gonna fully become a woman?

Um…

'Cause you never told me that, but I've
heard it. It's been like the rumor.

-Hmm. Yeah!
-See, you're hesitating.

-I see myself in the future that way.
-[Kim] I don't care.

-Okay.
-Okay.

-So when you're talking to Mom…
-Mm-hmm.

-…and the girls…
-Right.

…you have to say that
and you can't hesitate.

Hesitating four seconds
makes us feel like you're lying,

when you already know the answer.

You've probably already made
the appointment, so--

Well, yeah.

You have? You said "in the future,"
like it was like in five years.

-[Bruce] Yeah, no.
-This is happening, like, this year.

Uh, yeah, probably.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bruce] A few more things,
mostly with your face.

Um, a few more little tweaks,
and then I'm kind of done with that.

Mm-hmm.

And, you know, we got
the Diane Sawyer thing coming.

-That's gonna happen in a couple of weeks.
-Oh, really?

-I didn't know that.
-Oh, no.

[Kim] What Diane Sawyer thing?

Diane Sawyer,
she wanted to do the interview.

-And say what? Just, like, everything?
-Yeah.

That's amazing.

It's been kind of my job
to keep this secret

for over a decade that I just…

was, you know, it's gonna take me a minute
to still get out of secret mode,

but once he actually comes out,
I think people will be accepting,

and, you know, give him a platform

to be able to tell his story
that might help other people

that are struggling with the same thing.

-When is it gonna air? Okay.
-I am sh**ting it in two weeks.

I can't let the stupid tabloids, you know,
out there controlling your message.

Absolutely.

Um, and to be able to do it
sensitively and understanding

and with tremendous respect for my family.

I'm not doing it for ratings
or anything like that.

Uh, I'm trying to do it 'cause I think

it's the right thing to do
right now in my life.

[sighs]
I think you know everything.

[Bruce] Thank you for coming out.

Having your love and support
is by far the most important thing.

-I got you.
-Love you.

I think it's confusing for us.
We wanna be respectful to Bruce.

When does it start that Bruce
is now not Bruce and he is a she?

At this point in my life, yes,
I am planning on moving forward.

I've pushed the her side off all my life.

I can't die and not experience her.

Is she like Bruce? Do they act the same,
but she's just a woman?

I really don't know how this works.
I don't know what to expect.

It's hard for me to just…

really believe it's happening.

[uneasy music]

-[Kim] Mom?
-[Kris] Yeah?

-How'd it go?
-[Kim] Um, it went good.

He basically said like a lot of things
that he hadn't said before.

I didn't know he was, like,
really having a transformation.

-Like, it just--
-I asked him point-blank, I said,

"What are you doing?
Are you transitioning?"

"I don't know. I haven't really decided."

Trust me, I get it. But I wanna
support him, and I think that--

Well, yeah, you wanna support him,
I want him to be happy, but my biggest…

Just my biggest concern
is that you guys are okay.

-We are fine.
-It's like, I am… I'm not okay.

[Kris] I don't know how to handle this.

You know, like, this is my life,
I committed to this life,

and I think that he just…

checked out.

[dramatic music]

It's just, it's hard to wrap
my head around because why now?

I know this is the dumbest comparison,

but it's like a slight sliver
of how he must feel.

When I was pregnant,
I so not felt like I was in my body.

Like I always literally felt like,
"Who is this roly-poly?"

Like, I couldn't get out of bed,
I couldn't wipe myself.

That was just for less than a year.

He has to deal with this
for his entire life

of waking up and feeling like,

"Whoa! This isn't my body.
This doesn't feel comfortable."

That's the only way
I can kind of imagine it,

and you really have to, like, let go.

[Kris] He'd said
he had tendencies like that,

but that, you know, that wasn't any,
that wasn't even a discussion

that he would end his life up like this.

I never expected that.
Not in a million years.

I think everybody in life
has issues about something,

and I'm pretty open to people
and their differences.

That's what I bring to the table
when I'm in a relationship,

but the other thing I expect
out of a relationship is honesty.

I have these memories of this life,
and I feel sometimes like it didn't exist.

-[waves lapping]
-[birds chirping]

[Kim] Hello?

-[Kris] Hey.
-[Kim] Hey.

This dog is, like, crazy.
You need to chill.

[Kris] Did you know about Diane Sawyer?

[Kim] I didn't know
until he blurted it out yesterday.

But they have a meeting on Tuesday
that he called me and was like,

"Hey, I would like you to be in it.

You can be, like,
the family representative.

I feel like I can communicate
with you the best."

[Kim] As supportive as I am for Bruce,
I do get really protective of my mom.

Sometimes, I'm totally strong
and I'm fine and I can talk to Bruce

and really be happy for him,
but there's times when I get angry,

there's times when I get,
you know, resentful,

and I feel, you know,
just really sad for my mom.

And at first, I was like,
"Wait, what? Diane Sawyer?

What are you talking about?"

Okay. I had no idea he was doing
Diane Sawyer. Is that really happening?

[Kim] Let me talk to Kendall and Kylie.
I love you. I'll call you from the car.

-Bye.
-[Kris] Okay, bye.

Um, Dad has this publicist that he had
that was his publicist in the '80s.

This story almost came out.
I don't know if you guys know this,

but someone caught him traveling,
and he had wigs and stuff in his suitcase,

and Bruce hired a publicist.

-[Kendall] Years ago this happened?
-In the '80s. In the '80s, yeah.

And they went to his house, this reporter,
and said, "Please don't do this story."

And the reporter said, "Fine."

Media back then was, like,
totally different. No one ever found out.

So this is the same publicist
that's known everything.

He said, "You have to be taken seriously."
If he does it with a serious person,

it really gives him some legitimacy.

So Diane Sawyer, she's coming
to do this special,

and they start filming it in two weeks.

Why wouldn't he tell us that
the night before when we were with him?

We just, we had a full argument,
me, him, and Khloé about the whole thing.

-[Kylie] What was the argument?
-About him not telling us things.

[Kylie] I mean, I do have concerns
about my dad wanting to tell the world,

people attacking him and stuff.

But I want him to tell everybody.

People just wonder.
It's the same thing with me, you know?

Like, now that I've been told the truth,
I can move on and get past it.

People know, so now they can accept it,
or not, and they can move on.

[Kim] He is gonna tell his full story.

At first, I was like, "I'm totally
gonna cry. I'm totally gonna cry."

Like, my throat was like
literally burning.

-[Kylie] What? During the interview?
-Just, no, talking to him,

'cause I was like thinking,

"Mom, this is really hard for her,"
and, like, it's so sad.

Like, she cries all the time,
and it, like, makes me really sad,

but we should really appreciate
all the things that she does for us,

'cause she does a lot.

[dramatic music]

[waves crashing]

Mom, this is really hard for her,
and, like, it's so sad.

Like, she cries all the time,
and it, like, makes me really sad,

but we should really appreciate
all the things that she does for us,

'cause she does a lot.

[dramatic music]

I wanted to say this to him yesterday,
and I just didn't wanna cry,

'cause I felt like he had
this, like, respect for me,

and I was, like, being really strong.

And, like, he wants me at this meeting,
and I'll be the family representative

and go there, so he doesn't feel like
he can't not tell us things, you know.

Imagine, this is so emotional for him
and that he has to call…

-[Kendall] Everybody--
-…Mom, Kendall, Kylie,

and he has to call all of us separately,

'cause we're all busy
doing our own things.

You know, so I'll totally do that,

and I can be calm, and, like,
I don't wanna cry in front of him.

I wanna be, like, you know,
let him know that it's fine.

[Kim] As uncomfortable

and as much as, like, I really, truly
can't understand what is in Bruce's mind,

you still have to, you know,
respect it and support it

and just support his decision
on wanting to go through this journey.

You know, I was, like, so afraid
of how I was gonna tell Kanye,

but he was like, "You know what?

He needs to be who he is and be happy,
and everyone around you just support him."

So I think people
definitely accept it a lot more.

Yeah. And I honestly think it could be
a good thing in the long run.

-Like, he could do so much with it.
-Totally.

His motivational speeches,

that will be so different
and amazing for him.

Totally. But there will…
I want everyone to be prepared

there might be a weird period
that makes everyone uncomfortable.

[Kim] You know 'cause other people
can't even begin to understand it.

Whatever people are gonna think,
that's not even part of it at all.

I'm more worried about how people
are gonna, like, treat him.

I don't ever want anyone
to treat him bad because…

He is, honestly,
one of the greatest people I know.

He wouldn't hurt a fly.
[sniffles]

So to think of someone…

giving him hate or…

like, not being okay

with who he wants to be
and who makes him happy,

that scares me, and that's more
of a worry to me than anything else.

[waves lapping]

-[Kylie] Where are your other snacks?
-Just for you.

-What? Okay, what else--
-Yeah. Top Ramens, baby.

[microwaves closes, beeps]

This may never happen again.

Let me get a picture
of you in the kitchen.

[Khloé] You should take pictures
with your dad, FYI.

-Better take a lot with him.
-Mm-hmm.

I want Bruce to do what's best for him.

I just wish, like, you couldn't
have given us a little more time

to, like, hang out with you some more

or get any time
during, like, the transition time?

-Here comes Kourt.
-Hi, guys.

-Hello.
-[Bruce] Kourtney!

My long lost-sister who doesn't text back.

-[Bruce] She's not texting you back?
-Never.

-[Bruce] Well, Khloé.
-Yeah?

The last time we talked, you said
we have to get everybody together.

-Mm-hmm.
-So, where do you want to start?

Well, I think we should start with,
Kendall and I came here to see Bruce,

and Kendall and I found out
a lot's happening,

and Bruce is under the impression
that he's told all of us everything.

We had to find out that Bruce
is fully transitioning in spring.

[dramatic music]

He claims that he told us all of this,
and that's what I'm pissed about.

I've never heard that, for sure.

[Kourtney] I just think if you are doing
a huge thing like that,

you know, that we should know
and be prepared ourselves.

[Kendall] I think the whole thing
is we don't ever want you

to feel ganged up on,
especially not from us,

and it may sometimes come off as, like,
aggressive or, like, we're yelling at you.

I don't think it was aggressive. I think
they were legit questions that we--

I think they were too, completely,

but I'm saying if it does
come off as that,

it's only because this is not
something that we're used to.

I think we just, I mean,
first and foremost,

we all support your decision.

Khloé's method of dealing with things

is just a little bit more harsh
than, you know, the others.

No, I just want honesty.
Just keep it honest.

I've always been Team Bruce.
Always been on your side.

Thanks for calling me
after I left your house.

I haven't spoken to you
since then when I left in tears.

-So you, obviously--
-You didn't call me, either.

Why should I? You're the one
who was [bleep] lying to me.

-[Bruce] I'm not lying, Khloé!
-You were until we got it out of you!

I didn't tell you.

[tense music]

-[wind blows]
-[birds chirping]

I didn't lie. I didn't say
I wasn't doing this

or I wasn't gonna do that,
I just never told you anything.

You made it seem like maybe
it was a far in the future thing--

It's not an easy subject
to talk to you about.

I completely understand that
and I get that.

I think we all wanna be on the same page
with you. We all wanna support you.

-We all wanna hear from you.
-That's why we're here talking.

I don't want to offend anybody,
especially Bruce.

That's the last thing I want to do.

[Khloé] Bruce has carpooled us,
soccer dad,

-every single day since I've been four.
-[engine revs]

[Bruce] All right! Khloé's in!

[Khloé] He walked me down
my aisle at my wedding.

He's been an incredible father
to all of us.

So, yeah,
I totally respect that it's difficult.

But I don't know,
I really only have gotten mad

when I found out things
that weren't what he told me.

[dramatic music]

We have to, like, let it out,
because even if we didn't understand it

and even if some of us are confused
and some of us have questions,

we just wanna feel comfortable
that we can ask you those questions

and talk to you and be a part
of this journey with you,

because we feel a disconnect.

When you carry around a secret
your whole life,

what you have a tendency to do
is you isolate yourself from the world.

I've done a lot of that.
That's not a good thing.

So do you have, like, a date?
Or is it, like, a whole major thing?

-Like, I don't know.
-It's a lot of work.

-'Kay.
-[Bruce] Yeah, you do it in stages.

-You probably didn't even notice.
-You got a nose job.

-[Bruce] Huh?
-[Kylie] I noticed.

-[Kendall] I noticed.
-Yeah, it's still pretty swollen.

It'll get better. It's still
a little swollen right there.

But, anyway, he did my nose

and a little what they call
"upper lip lift."

-[Bruce] Then they do the forehead.
-[Kourtney] Do what?

-Guys have a little ridge right here.
-I had no idea.

[Bruce] And they go in,
actually, and take it down

and then lower your hairline
down a little bit.

These are very premeditated operations.

They're not anything
that you decide on the whim.

From what I read online,

you have to be on hormones
and estrogen and whatever,

you have to go see a therapist
to fully transition,

and the therapist and the doctor
have to, like, agree together.

If that's true, you've been doing
these therapy sessions for how long?

[Bruce] And then they also do the jawline.

[Kylie] What are you
gonna do with the jaw?

They just trim it down here,
so it's not quite as harsh.

Do you do that all at one time?

-This and this?
-Those things will be at the same time.

-Yeah.
-Oh, my god, are you not scared for that?

[Bruce] No.

Everybody you talk to about this subject,
you get a different reaction.

You know, am I doing the right thing?

Honestly, I just don't wanna hurt--
I don't wanna hurt anybody.

[tense music]

[serious music]

[Bruce] Okay.

In dealing with this
and coming out with this issue,

what is your biggest concern?

You wanna make a change,
I'm all for you doing that,

but I'm afraid,
what if you do all of this,

not just even privately, you do it
so publicly so there's no turning back?

-Yeah.
-[Kendall] I do feel like

he's gone through this his whole life.

I feel like you have to be somewhat
pretty certain. It's 65 years later.

-Oh, yeah, I'm very certain.
-No, he's certain he wants to do it--

[Bruce] But doing it publicly
is extraordinarily difficult.

In the position that I'm in,
I have a big stage that I'm on, okay?

And maybe with that stage,
I can do something.

After all the things I've done in my life.

The games, the families,
the business, the this, the that,

maybe this is my greatest calling in life.

You know, be honest with myself
and be honest with my family,

be honest to my friends, and then maybe
in that honesty, I can help other people.

I mean, I go out, I got friends,
I do a very good job of--

-[Kylie] You go out?
-I have been out, yes.

-Where?
-Oh, to the movies, done that.

[Bruce] Nobody knows.

What's your casual style like?

Is it like a denim-on-denim,
or is it like--

-Not denim-on-denim.
-Or is it, like, a skirt and a--

Whose style, out of all of us,
are you most like?

Yeah, actually, I have quite
a bit of clothes and, uh--

[Kourtney] But like what's
your everyday kind of style?

I love good old jeans and a, you know,
a great sweater, stuff like that.

Do you wear a wig,
or is this just the hair that you go for?

Uh, I have had wigs.

I mean, the worst days of my life
are the days I've had to get my hair cut.

The haircuts for me have been
the most traumatic things in life.

I wanna keep it long in the front,
'cause I like wearing it in a ponytail,

and if you get too short in the front,
you're gonna cut the ponytail.

Wait, so we're
not getting rid of the ponytail?

-[Bruce] No, we're not getting rid of it.
-[Khloé] Are you gonna cry?

I feel like you're really,
like, this is hard for you to let go.

I can't take that, okay?

I want my hair to be longer,
but society says I've got to cut my hair

'cause you're a guy.

Since you're gonna be in the wedding,
my number one goal would be cut the hair.

You know how long it takes
for your hair to grow back?

It's taken me a year, year and a half,
to get this length!

Getting my hair cut,
does it look better on Bruce? Yes.

But it doesn't look better
on my soul, you know?

It's just little things like that,
about not being able to be yourself.

That's why it's been so nice here.
You can do what you wanna do.

Just so that we just get back
to what Khloé was saying,

'cause I feel like she just has…

a feeling of just being unresolved,
but I want to move past this,

so that we don't, you know,
come back to this,

so there's no resentment between,
you know, really you and Khloé.

But I think you need to know
that underneath Khloé's anger,

she really just, she does not care.

When Kendall and Kylie found out,
I was the one who talked to them

and said, "This doesn't change anything,
what a great dad you are."

I've always been defending you
and protecting you.

[Bruce] I've tried to do the best with it,
and the greatest thing in my life

I've ever done is raise
my children, you know?

Look at every one of you,
successful, smart, intelligent.

You know, I am just
so proud of all of you.

It's my greatest accomplishment.

I got everybody out of the nest,
everybody's doing great.

I got to deal with myself.

The last thing in the world
I wanna do is hurt any one of you.

That is not my intention.

Maybe if I'm not honest
'cause I'm afraid to talk to you

about this subject 'cause I know
it hurts, I understand that.

Am I doing it right, Khloé?

You can never do this right. Okay?

There's just…
There's no right way to do this.

[gentle music]

I just don't wanna talk about it
in front of Mason yet.

-What?
-He's gonna come to an age

and he's gonna say, "Whatever happened
to that grandpa I had?"

I definitely don't want him to find out
through someone at school.

I want him to find out through us.

You're not attracted to men,
you're attracted to women?

I'm totally heterosexual.

But if you're a woman,
then were you a lesbian?

[hums in wonder]

[tense music]

You know, you think you're
gonna grow old with somebody.

It's like I have to mourn Bruce Jenner.

[sobs]

-[Kim] Oh, my god.
-[Bruce] This girl thing's a lot of work.

-Yeah, you really got to organize this.
-Yeah.

It's like having Bruce with a little icing
on the cake, okay? It only gets better.
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