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natalie, did you know
mike felt that way?
mike, i am so confused
about where you guys stand.
-me too.
-me too.
i am still
very indecisive
when it comes
to having a child.
we did get married
with still some --
some disagreements
on our future.
i met emily while
i was still married.
oh, okay.
juliana, you said it would be
difficult for your family
to see your lifestyle here
in the united states.
-really?
-yeah.
there's been times
where i'm like,
"this probably isn't
going to work out."
there was a lot of times
i tried to break it off.
how often do you guys
see bryson?
never! never!
we haven't seen him.
no, no, no, no.
the only way you can hurt me
is through my son,
and it ain't happening!
we're not going
into this.
and tonight on part two of
"90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all"...
do you think jasmin is
interested in learning anything?
do you think she has
opened up to you at all?
um, not yet.
rita: it really felt that
we're not worth the time
to get to know us
and talk to us.
whoa.
this is the first time
i think we have had
this particular discussion
on "90 day fiancé."
i mean, do you love the guy,
or you don't?
what is it?
mike, what is she
talking about?
she said betrayed.
what did you do?
okay, so this is
what happened.
so, so, so...
shaun: all right, now.
okay, so now there's --
okay.
-okay.
-i feel bad for you.
okay.
i'm sorry, i cannot.
aw, i'm sorry,
natalie.
michael. michael.
okay, we're handling from here.
remember this, baby.
now go giggle your a*s.
cut him off the screen,
or i'll walk out
angela.
uh-oh.
so kiss this
white trashy a*s.
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so, natalie, what is the status
of your relationship today
with mike?
no, no, no, natalie.
i want to hear from you.
so, are you together?
you're not out
of the relationship.
so, mike, i don't feel that you
think the relationship is over.
mike: i have hope.
it's...it's tough.
like, i can't -- you know,
i can't put a stamp on it,
and we do have problems.
and yes, we are --
and sometimes i feel
that way, too. and...
but you're working to go
to america, right?
shaun: okay.
angela and michael also
had issues with his visa.
their journey to the altar
does not quite pan out
the way we expect.
let's take a look.
what baby?
oh, my god.
i'm not believing this.
baby!
michael, look.
michael.
oh.
i've never seen michael cry,
and seeing him cry like that,
it touches my heart.
it's painful.
michael, why are you upset?
because you think
i might leave you?
skyla: everything happens
for a reason.
i'm just saying, everything
happens for a reason.
go to work, skyla.
skyla: there's plenty
of reasons why michael
could've been denied.
he might have had some secrets
that mama does not know about.
or they might just not believe
in their relationship.
shaun: yeah.
oh, michael.
that was tough.
that was really tough.
-that was very emotional, yeah.
-that was --
michael, tell me your thoughts
about seeing that clip.
yes.
and, angela, what was it like
for you to see
michael cry like that?
i'm sorry.
i'm so sorry.
watching this was
the worst nightmare.
you know, seeing him, i've never
seen him cry like that,
and i didn't sleep all day,
and i got ahold of the governor,
a senator, and in, like,
five hours, i was like,
"somebody's gonna
tell me something."
-right.
-well, the first person that
offered an explanation
was your daughter, skyla.
oh, god. this ain't the time
to say that
you know what i mean?
did you think at any point
that it was something
that michael did
in the interview?
i still
think it, too.
you think so?
yeah.
it's not his fault,
but he has problems
getting his point across,
and i don't think
they take that into
consideration
because they don't care.
and his interview
was 20 minutes.
like, how do you decide
do we love each other?
so there weren't any questions
that you got incorrect.
i told michael,
and i coached him,
you have to show her emotions.
that's nothing you can answer.
you have to show.
that's the worst fear that
i've had between me
and natalie,
is getting denied.
and i mean, i'm sorry.
that's terrible.
let me say something
to you, mike.
me and michael's road has not
been easy from the beginning.
we always come back.
like, that's the real love
of me and michael.
it's not easy for y'all
to be far apart.
but y'all can make it
if you really love each other
in this long distance.
natalie, tell me
what you were feeling.
until people do what
we're doing, you don't know
what we're going through.
they don't realize.
they don't realize.
you don't.
shaun: okay, here are some
people who think they know
what you guys
are going through.
michael's friends from nigeria,
monde, peter, and kunde.
hey, guys.
how are you doing?
okay. now --
hi, goofballs!
now, we know you guys
have been there for michael.
he might not like everything
that you say,
but you have been there.
so let's take a look.
don't say that now. don't.
michael...
stop.
relax. relax.
please, mike.
get out.
mike.
shaun: michael, why do you
think your friends
have not been very supportive of
your relationship with angela?
you guys have been going
back and forth about this
for a long time.
so what is it that you guys
have against angela?
because you're always
in our business.
y'all have never been
his friend.
and if i would have been there
and you called me trashy, b*tch,
there'd been more than a glass
flying out your hand.
and speaking of trashy,
i'm the classiest, trashiest
b*tch you'll ever meet.
remember that baby.
and i own that
'cause i'm not --
no, what'd you say?
call me trashy face to face.
b*tch, give me a break.
you know better.
you know better when i'm there.
i'm nothing to play with.
i don't even know you.
whoa, what are you gonna --
listen, you're gonna stand up?
sit your damn broke a*s down.
sit down.
you thought that this trashy?
b*tch -- remember this, baby.
now go giggle your a*s,
cut them off the screen,
of i'll walk out this
i put you on this, b*tch,
and i'll take you off this
son of a b*tch!
cut him off, or i'll
walk out this
and you'll walk
out, too.
michael.
michael. michael.
let's go, michael.
angela:
i put you on this, b*tch,
and i'll take you of this,
son of a b*tch!
cut him off,
or i'll walk out this
and you'll
walk out, too.
michael, michael, michael.
okay. we're handling
it from here.
get up, michael.
let's go, michael.
no, that's good.
i gave them a chance.
nice to meet y'all.
let them stay out there
and giggle their a*s.
angela, okay.
angela, i'll handle it
from here, okay?
you're going away now.
okay. hey, guys.
so what we're going to do --
kiss this white trashy a*s.
hey, angela.
-michael.
-michael.
stop.
gentlemen. gentlemen, okay.
thank you very much
for joining us.
let's -- okay.
-bye!
-gentlemen, thank you.
nice not seeing you,
goofballs.
thank you.
see you!
okay. bye, guys.
click.
thank you so much.
yay!
anny: they are jealous maybe.
don't just call
his lady trashy.
that's disrespectful.
michael's a real calm guy.
i was shocked to even see that.
and to see that,
i respect you, bro,
because you stick up
for your lady
and that's
what's up, man.
they haters,
and misery loves company.
you know, and it's all
three of them together.
maybe they better off
with each other.
why do you think they just
cannot accept the fact
that you love angela
and support the relationship?
aw, my baby!
whoo!
my baby!
well, how does
it feel, angela,
to have michael support
you like that?
you know, coming
from the beginning
of our relationship, i used tell
michael i'm damaged goods,
because once you've been
hurt so many times
in your life at 50,
that's why you don't want to be
in another relationship
because you're just
likely to give up.
but he couldn't get away from me
if he wanted to,
because i'm just so grateful
that he stuck it out,
my insecurities, you know,
of being hurt
in the past so many times.
you know what i mean?
we're showing the people
you can be a nigerian,
you can be an american woman,
you can be 53,
you can be 31,
and we love each other,
and it doesn't matter
where you come from.
and i've always said
they're jealous of michael.
they act so sweet to him,
but they always guiding him
away from me.
you know what i mean?
have you tried to, like,
reconcile with his friends
knowing that they're his
friends for his whole life?
it's like this.
i tried when i first went there,
and i had to put up with their
little comments and slick mouth.
they didn't like me
from the beginning.
-yeah.
-and i know i'm not going
to give them another chance.
you know, i've lost
friends over juliana.
-have you?
-and some of it was jealousy,
some of it was judgment.
and it's unfortunate
that sometimes in life
you may have these moments
where you really find out
who is really with you
and who is against you.
you know,
that's a difficult thing.
-right.
-i'm just thankful to god
that i've gotten this far
and i didn't give up
because i'd have been
losing a good man
that i didn't know
at that time was a good man.
that's what i'm trying
to tell these two.
if you can get through this
you're going through
and you really love each other,
you can do this.
i mean, i don't know
if you still love him.
whatever is y'all's barrier
and whenever someone
won't move, mike, do it.
and i'm sure she'll be grateful
when she gets over here
and show you that.
coming up...
what was your first impression
of jasmin?
she was really not
giving us anything,
zero effort to, like,
even say, "how are you?"
maybe she feels like
she's above us.
i really felt that
we're not worth her time.
jasmin, tell folks why
you're not this cold person
that you've been
portrayed as being.
and later...
i didn't lie to you.
i never lied to you.
i never lied to you.
i would be pissed, too.
what are the other details,
natalie?
she sound hurt.
i feel bad for you.
man: three, two...
welcome back to "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
i'm shaun robinson.
now, after first meeting jasmin,
blake's friends had a healthy
amount of skepticism about her.
here to talk
about their concerns,
blake's lifelong friends,
rita and everett.
hey, guys.
thanks for joining us.
-hey!
-how are you doing?
good.
thanks for having us.
so jasmin and blake
are a young, vibrant couple,
but personality-wise, well,
they're a little bit different.
let's take a look.
ready for tonight?
good show.
thank you.
you did great.
thank you. thank you.
i was surprised, though.
didn't seem like she was there,
even though she was there.
rita: i'm concerned for blake
in this situation
because almost
every relationship
that i've seen blake get into,
he has been taken advantage of.
she didn't even look like she
was enjoying it, man.
and that's how it is.
she wasn't born here.
it doesn't matter.
she was born with ears, right?
i don't know what she's
supposed to react like.
dude, like, rita's been
at all the shows,
and when she's at the show,
she's always
there front and center.
well, that's her.
she's participating.
that should be your girl, too.
don't you think?
no, because
everybody's different.
you know, like, when
we're there and then, like,
she may not talk about it
right then and there,
but when we're at home,
she'll ask me questions.
like, she opens up
more than when it's just
like me and her,
obviously.
why can't she do that
more around us?
you're showing her
your world,
and it doesn't seem like
she's down with it.
i just want her
to like us.
i would love for us
to all be on the same page,
be best friends, hang out,
laugh, have the same jokes,
you know, maybe just
she can interject
here and there
about something.
anything. she can, like --
anything. anything.
okay, blake, do you think
jasmin is interested
in learning anything
about your culture?
interested?
yeah, interested in anything?
yeah, of course she is.
okay, let me bring
everett and rita in.
hey, guys.
hey.
what was your first
impression of jasmin?
um, first impression,
we were excited to meet her.
we figured it was
the jet lag, she was tired.
the flight, the trip,
she needed to rest
and catch up
with the change.
so do you think she has
tried to learn about you
and become friends?
um...
not yet.
every time i've seen her,
she's made zero effort
to, like, even say,
"how are you?"
i got really upset
and frustrated with everything
because she was really
not giving us anything.
maybe she feels like
she's above us.
i really felt that
we're not worth her time
to get to know us
and talk to us.
a lot of it is just, that's just
how finnish people are.
yeah.
so do you guys think
it's just a cultural thing?
um, i can't say
cultural thing, no.
it's just
a personality trait.
do you think that jasmin may
be taking advantage of blake?
yeah, i think so.
my frustration is coming
more from the fact
that i know
the kind of person
blake is and nobody
can tell them anything
or what to do
or how to do it.
he's almost getting lost
catering to everything
that she wants to do.
you know, like,
he didn't even make it
to everett's
birthday dinner.
he came to the party afterwards
for maybe, like, 30 minutes
and then left.
you know, it's just like
we were out,
and she was like,
"no, don't drink."
and he was like,
"i just want to have one drink,"
and she was like,
"you know i don't like that."
everything --
it's just like,
i feel like
she's changing him,
and that's what's
frustrating me,
that he's not standing up
for himself with her.
i know my friends 'cause,
like i said,
they're like family to me.
i know her.
i know what, you know...
shaun: but they don't seem very
enthusiastic about her.
yeah, well.
because of the way
that, you know, we've been --
that's what i was
going to say.
it's just the way
we've been hanging out.
like, we've been
doing things
that's kind of out
of her comfort zone.
-right.
-we're going to
our friend's show.
you know, it's a place that she
doesn't like so much,
being the nightlife
and the bars and stuff.
so, jasmin,
tell folks why you're not
this cold person that you've
been portrayed as being.
okay, jasmin, do you think
you might be able
to put forth
a little more effort
to make it seem as though
that you want some type
of relationship
with blake's friends?
yeah. of course.
shaun: so, rita and everett,
are you guys confident
that this relationship
is going to last?
i don't know.
i just hope that california
and l.a. pushes her
into being that person
who's more outgoing.
otherwise, it's just
going to eat you up.
rita: come on.
just make a little bit
of an effort
for blake's sake,
for, you know,
i don't know --
before it just gets
to a point
where i just
really don't care.
okay, guys, we're going to leave
on that confident note there.
everett and rita, thank you
so much for joining us.
we appreciate you being here.
of course. thank you.
we'll be back with more
"90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
very exciting.
coming up...
you might as well tell us now.
what are the other details?
okay, so this is
what happened.
so, so, so...
oh, okay.
i called her.
she got mad.
-oh!
-okay.
-i'm sorry, natalie.
-i feel bad for you.
welcome back to "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
let's jump right in.
mike and natalie are clearly
on shaky ground,
so let's really get
to the bottom of this
and find out where things
stand between these two.
on a personal basis,
i do not believe in religion,
like, in a god.
like, i believe in
a higher sense out there,
like aliens or something.
like, there's
something out there.
i think aliens are gods.
i think gods are just kind of
like misinterpretations
of what people think they've
seen from back in the day,
and yeah,
i believe in aliens.
why?
life has rules of its own,
if you follow that.
no.
shaun: whoa.
this is the first time
i think we have had
this particular discussion
on "90 day fiancé."
natalie is very religious.
mike, you consider
yourself an atheist.
you do not believe in god,
but you believe in aliens.
tell me about that.
um, i believe that
we are not the only thing
in this universe.
the universe
is way too big.
there is something
out there
that is far more
intelligent than we are,
far more.
i -- you know,
i'm honest.
you know, i don't
believe in god.
it doesn't make me a bad person.
i don't judge anyone.
i support natalie fullest.
you know what i mean?
i'll be there. you know,
i want her to go to church.
natalie?
mm-hmm?
this actually brought
you to tears
when michael
was talking.
tell me what
you were thinking.
uh...
you said that you do not trust
people who don't believe in god.
does that mean
you do not trust mike?
what's hard about it?
i feel like, yeah,
she doesn't trust me
because i don't believe
in god.
i mean, you know, it's not
my comfort zone.
i don't know nothing about it,
you know?
i try to take it as serious
as possible.
is it a russian
orthodox church?
-yes.
-yeah.
that's a lot to learn.
shaun: let me bring
our other couples in.
anny, i was looking at you
while natalie was explaining.
how did you feel
about what she said?
i think something weird
because alien...
i don't know about alien.
i saw movies.
it's just like another word
for god,
you know what i mean?
either way, it's a higher
power that we're looking at,
you know?
i can understand why
she would want her kids
to be raised christian
and everything
and see where her struggle
is coming from.
i totally understand that.
it just -- it makes me feel
really bad because...
and i feel bad
like that way, too.
and it's just like,
i'm not going to lie to my kids.
i guess for natalie,
would you consider
letting your
children decide?
i feel like you're pushing him
to make stuffs you like.
it's not going to work.
don't push him.
don't try to change him.
i've done this before.
see what happened?
two marriages,
two children behind.
all right, so differences about
faith began to take their toll.
let's take a look.
mm-hmm.
that's a wrap for me.
robert: yeah, but geez.
i know because i have
a friend from romania.
yeah, but just because somebody
don't believe in what
you believe in, that don't mean
you got to not love them.
natalie, why was it so difficult
for you to tell mike
that you loved him?
let me ask you again.
do you love mike?
i really think
you're a beautiful, nice lady.
you're not giving us
no answers here.
i mean, do you love the guy,
or you don't?
what is it?
you were engaged to mike.
you were going through
the k-1 visa process.
when you started that process,
did you love him?
natalie: yes.
so are you saying
that you fell out of love?
mike, tell us what happened.
please. somebody.
i'm confused.
were one of you
unfaithful?
no, i...
natalie, i really want
to ask you this question.
i'm not trying to be
disrespectful,
i don't want to be
disrespectful,
but do you love mike?
yes or no?
straight down the line.
yes or no?
love has so many layers.
but i'm asking her.
i'm not disrespecting you,
but i want to know,
do you love him,
yes or no?
because the man wants to know.
shaun: natalie?
-it's complicated.
-why accept the proposal?
she said she loved him
at the time.
things happened,
and now she's questioning it.
it's complicated
to understand.
she said something
that you hurt her.
do you have any idea
what she's talking about?
not specifically, no.
robert:
you okay, natalie?
help us, man.
shaun: do you still want her
to come here?
i've always wanted her
to come here.
i love her.
i've done everything
i possibly can,
and it was one
thing for her
not to say
that she loves me,
but i didn't ask
for the ring back
so it was like pouring
salt in the wound.
what is the status of the visa
right now?
is it just on hold?
i'm on the website.
it says "in process."
natalie, if you get the visa,
if the visa comes through,
will you come to the u.s.?
i resonate with her.
we've had such big differences
that i even questioned,
like, are we going
to go through with this
just to get divorced?
like what's
going to happen?
we got married with a lot
of unanswered questions,
and we don't know what
that means for our future.
i think natalie's
just over it.
natalie keeps
saying it's hard.
me and him went through
so much
because i had
misunderstood him.
i have cussed him out,
i've left him on the --
i mean, 'cause i just
didn't understand him.
i love him, or i would have
never put up with that
he put me through, period.
shaun: syngin,
could you marry someone
who could not say
they loved you?
no, i could not.
when i get married,
i want to already have
that person
telling me for a while
that they love me and express
and show me that love
before i go on the knee
and do the deed.
shaun: mike, what is
she talking about?
what did you do?
robert: she said betrayed.
she said betrayed.
shaun: mike, what is
she talking about?
what did you do?
robert: she said betrayed.
she said betrayed.
what happened?
so i have a best friend.
used to live with her
and everything.
watched her daughter grow up,
known her for years
and years and years.
she got engaged,
she got married.
she wanted me to be, like,
her best man.
like, we're just
really good friends.
i told natalie,
"i want to go to her wedding.
it's really important to her.
i just want to go
support my friend, do that."
her fiancé was supposed
to be there at the house.
it was the night
before the wedding.
he was with his boys,
staying at his house.
i went back to the house with
them and slept on the couch,
but i was supposed to stay
at my aunt's.
and then the next day,
i woke up.
i called natalie.
what's not true?
you're thinking
he was cheating?
with the woman who was
getting married the next day?
angela: finally.
all day, we got it out.
this happened a year ago.
this happened a year ago.
i'm going to be honest,
that's why a lot of dudes lie.
because when you be
honest to people,
they assume that
you're lying to them.
shaun: natalie, do you think
something happened?
nothing has ever happened.
never, ever before, ever.
shaun: natalie?
nothing.
we've just literally been
really good friends.
okay, so this is what happened.
so, so, so...
okay, all right now.
i called her,
she got mad.
i called her.
-okay.
-so...
i called her.
she got mad.
-i'm sorry, natalie.
-okay, wait. mike, go ahead.
she got mad at me
that i stayed.
natalie was pretty much
assuming like we slept together,
and then they went
at each other's throat.
because her husband
was supposed to be there.
i didn't lie. i didn't --
that was the plan.
that was the plan.
he was supposed to be there.
i didn't know he wasn't...
everyone was there
except for him.
i told you that.
i didn't lie to you.
i never lied to you.
i never lied to you.
shaun: so, okay,
you told natalie.
at first,
i kind of felt like
if she was confused
with her relationship,
but now i understand
where she coming from
because i would
be pissed, too.
-me too.
-i would be real pissed.
you might as well
tell us now.
-she sound hurt, bro.
-what are the other details?
she sounds hurt.
i feel bad for you.
so, natalie, if this had not
happened, would you still...
she still loves him.
she's hurt.
and she's hurt bad.
mike, would you want to go
back to the ukraine
and work on the relationship
and possibly win her back?
yeah.
we're just not hearing
the full story.
-there's more going on here.
-i'm flip flopping.
but there's more.
there's still something that
we're not hearing.
i hope you guys
can work this out.
mike, as you've been
sitting here
listening to all of
the other couples talk about
their new lives together,
have you been thinking
about reconciling
or trying to salvage
this relationship
with natalie?
i have.
i mean, i've always
wanted a family.
you know, i want kids,
and, you know,
i'm going to give it hell,
and i'm going to go
for the hail mary
and try to get out there
as soon as possible
and give it all i got, you know?
great. that's awesome.
that's awesome.
we certainly
wish you guys luck.
we really, really do.
i appreciate it, y'all.
thank you so much
for sharing that.
well, thank you to all
of the couples tonight.
appreciate you all for sharing
your stories with us
to everyone watching from home,
from everyone here tonight,
thank you for being
a part of it.
good night.
-good night.
-good night.
-night-night.
-that's a wrap everybody.
-hey.
-whoo-hoo!
nice meeting you guys.
thank you, everybody.
great job.
great job. great job.
all right, thank you.
nice seeing
you again, man.
-yeah, man.
-nice seeing you.
syngin, as of right now,
i don't know if he's my soulmate
or not, and it's something
i'm still exploring,
and i think that
during this exploration,
we can still have a very loving,
long lasting relationship.
syngin: i think that pain
that comes up somehow
related to rejection, knowing
that you may be not --
that other person doesn't feel
the same way you feel, as well.
kind of sets a lot of doubts
that go into your mind, as well.
i'm going to go back to nigeria
and hopefully marry him.
i told the goofballs
i'm coming back, and believe me,
you touch my man,
i'm coming quicker.
anna: looking back,
maybe mursel feels stupid.
it was just a stupid situation
that he got us into,
but i want to just
move forward from this.
robert: i didn't get an apology
from stephanie.
let the doorknob hit you
where the good lord split you.
i got my lady by my back,
i got my boy by my side,
and that's all i need.
blake: jasmin doesn't get along
with any of my friends.
them not getting along,
it will kind of be a big deal.
rita means so much to me,
but that's just like
one piece of my life,
like, my friends and stuff.
you know, it's not everything.
baby boy, where you going?
where you going?
i really hope i can
have a relationship
with the mothers
of sasha's other children,
like michael and sarah have.
gives me hope.
aw!
mike: well, natalie's not here
so it's hard for me
to explain
everything to her,
and as much as i can tell her
and tell her and tell her,
you know, some of the things
are, like, hard for her to hear.
like, you know,
she doesn't believe me.
good luck
to you, mike.
hey, appreciate
it, man.
angela: go to her.
mike: i know.
i wish i could just jump
on an airplane right now
and sh**t straight to ukraine
and just, like, go knock
on the door of natalie
and give her the biggest hug
in the world.
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