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01x09 - The People in the Dirt

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Say Nothing". Aired: November 14, 2024.*
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Series follows the lives of people growing up in Belfast in the 1970s, 80s and 90s during the Troubles, as well as their involvement in the Provisional Irish Republican Army, and inquiries into the Disappeared and particularly the m*rder of Jean McConville.

01x09 - The People in the Dirt

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There will be a total

cessation of military operations.

- You'll not be taking our f*cking g*ns.

- No deal till the Brits have gone.

Some of us are

actually strategizing.

So, it's back to

operations, is it?

The remains have been

identified as a woman.

It's an open m*rder case now.

How likely are you to

find out who k*lled her?

Someone has to talk.

What can you tell me about

the Joe Lynskey business?

I was a driver. I drove

across the border.

You're talking about

the Disappeared?

Yes.

Are we gonna be talking

about Jean McConville?

The orders were always simple.

You know, I'd get a call,

and I'd be told I had a job.

Sometimes I knew

them. Sometimes I didn't.

I'd never heard of

Jean McConville.

I wasn't there

when she was taken.

Stay put.

She was arrested at Divis Flats,

and charged with

informing to the British.

That's when I was brought in.

She's to be taken down south.

Get her over the border into Dundalk.

And the boys will

handle it from there.

Is she one of the

Cumann women then?

No. A civilian. An informant.

Why's it being done like this?

What do you mean why?

Well, why not put her body in the

street? Put the fear of God in people.

- I don't know, Dolours. I didn't ask.

- Surely that's more effective.

That informants

are seen as dead.

Look, I don't

disagree with you but--

- I wanna talk to Gerry.

- Well, you can't speak to Gerry.

This isn't the

way to do it, Pat.

Well, it's the way it's

being done, Dolours.

So it's the way it's being done.

So, where are you taking me?

Legion of Mary.

They'll be taking care of me?

Mm-hmm.

Will my Will my

children be brought to me?

Your children?

Is there someone with them?

Aye.

Will my children

be brought to me?

Yeah.

Have you a handkerchief?

My nose is running.

Have you a handkerchief?

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait.

Who-Who else was

in the car with you?

It was just another volunteer.

You can keep it.

These men will be taking

you the rest of the way.

She didn't even run.

They never run.

So, you drive Jean

over the border?

- Who do you leave her with?

- A g*n crew.

Four men in a car.

Can you tell us the names of

the men who were there that night?

Turn that thing off, would you?

Cold-blooded m*rder.

Those were the

words used by police

to describe last night's sh**ting

at Massereene Army Barracks.

The attacks, both

vicious and sloppy,

claimed the lives of not

only two British soldiers,

but also a pizza delivery man

who was caught in the cross fire.

The IRA splinter group,

- who claimed responsibility

- Girls. Breakfast.

stated that despite the

long-standing peace agreement

- Give it back, you.

- will continue

Can you please just chill?

Ma, she keeps stealing my black

bra and getting deodorant on it.

That bra's too small

for you anyway.

- That's what I said.

- You got all the good t*ts in this family.

- Mom.

- Hey.

You can't compare our

bodies like that. That's shaming.

I don't think I said

anything controversial, did I?

Get you upstairs, girls. Now.

Why? What's wrong?

I'm gonna be arrested.

What?

What's going on?

Open up. It's the police.

What the f*ck did you do?

Nothing.

I bought them the phones.

- The phones for the job?

- For the gunmen, aye.

You f*cking eejit.

At least I'm out there

trying to fix things.

What? By sh**ting the

f*cking Domino's guy?

Sometimes in w*r,

there's collateral damage.

Except we're not

even at w*r, are we?

w*r doesn't stop just 'cause

Gerry Adams says it does.

Marian, my love.

It's over. We lost.

Anyway, if you want to get to Gerry,

there are better ways, you know?

The f*ck you talking about?

I've been doing this little

project with Brendan Hughes.

I'm not really supposed

to talk about it.

Okay.

Tape recordings.

Of what?

The truth of what happened.

Don't be insane.

Honestly, Mar, it is the most

free that I have felt in years.

We're gonna take

down Gerry Adams, Mar.

The whole f*cking lot.

Dolours Price,

you are gonna get

yourself arrested or shot.

Nobody knows.

That's the brilliant bit.

Nothing comes out

until after you're dead.

- Good morning, Brendan.

- What about ye, Mrs. McKissick?

Should I get a tattoo

of a cross or a cobra?

I was, uh I was thinking of,

uh, getting a cross, you know?

You know, like a a

wee dead body on it, no?

I got the Virgin on my back.

She's got the ex-wife's face on her,

but I still get a lot

of compliments.

- You got any tattoos, Dark?

- Uh

No.

Well, I was tempted once or

twice, when I was in the navy.

You were in the navy?

Aye. Well, the merchant navy.

Not the Not the Navy navy.

Get the f*ck

Well, I was 18.

Didn't know no better.

Did you have the wee

brass buttons and all?

Had the buttons.

Ah Had the boots.

Had a beret I wore at a

jaunty wee angle like that, right?

Those are some of my

fondest memories, actually.

Here, grab us a coffee, will

you, Jim? I'm shattered today.

You want me to f*cking

drink it for you as well?

Yes, sir.

f*ck.

Dark!

Do you know what it took to

put Gerry Adams in power?

It's like getting a hundred people

to push out this big boat, right?

The boat's stuck in the sand,

and you get them to push it out.

And it's sailing off,

leaving the people behind.

That's the way I feel.

Boat's away, sailing off on

the high seas with all the

the luxuries that it brings.

And the people who launched

the boat, they're left behind.

Sitting in the f*cking muck

and the dirt and

the sh*t and the sand.

It's not a bad turnout.

Aye.

Well, he was loved.

What? No. The f*cking cheek.

Okay. Dolours, keep

your voice down.

Let's not be causing

a scene now.

This is a hijacking.

Dolours, keep your voice down.

Brendan Hughes

wanted that man dead.

Okay. Let's go for a walk.

Go, go, go, go, go, go.

It's f*cking treason.

I know.

You know what's sick?

The way he spits in your face,

and then tries to hand

you the handkerchief.

I know.

So, um, Brendan's tape

comes out tonight, then?

N-Not tonight, Dolours.

It's a whole process.

Nothing is going to be

public for a long, long time.

What matters is that the truth

will come out eventually, yes?

You know me. I'm just impatient.

You've reached the desk of

Allison Morris at the Irish News.

Please leave your

message after the tone.

Hello, Miss Morris. It's Dolours Price.

You don't know me, we've never met.

I don't know if you are aware

of me, but I I was a member

Well, I was a fairly prominent

member of the Irish Republican Army.

I guess you would know me well.

I bombed London.

In any case, I, uh

I would like very much

for the two of us to speak.

It's about Jean McConville.

Hello? Uh, Miss Price?

Hi. Allison Morris. Irish News.

I'm not sure if it's

still a good time?

For the interview.

You left me a message?

Quite a few actually.

Right. Yes.

But if this isn't a good time

No. This is perfect. Come on in.

Here we go.

Tell me what you know

about Jean McConville.

She was an informer.

Before she was taken, she'd been

spotted at Hastings Street Barracks.

She was reputed to

be behind a blanket.

Suspects would walk past and Jean

would say yes or no if they were IRA.

Next.

It was those slippers, you

see, that led to her arrest.

Give us the name

of your handler.

Me what?

The f*cking Brit, Jean. The

one you've been touting to.

Look, I told you. It's--

Did he give you money?

Is that why you did it?

We know you've all

them mouths to feed.

I am not a tout.

I was told she confessed.

That's when I was brought in.

I was given orders by

my commanding officer,

a man called Pat,

to take her down south and

leave her with a g*n crew.

And the men you left her with,

the ones who pulled the

trigger, what were their names?

Oh, I don't know their names.

I-I never knew those men.

So, you finished the

job and reported to who?

Uh

- Pat?

- No.

Not Pat.

Pat was no one.

The man running the unit,

the one giving the orders

that would've been Gerry Adams.

Can anyone else corroborate

this? This man Pat or

No. Pat's dead.

Anyone else, then?

Brendan Hughes.

I don't understand.

Have you ever heard of

something called the Belfast Project?

- Hello?

- Hey, Danny. What about you?

No, she can't right now.

Uh, she's doing an interview.

Some lady from the Irish News.

Can I ask one last

question, do you mind?

No, I don't mind.

The slippers that led to

Miss McConville's arrest.

The ones peeking out

from under the blanket.

How did they know for

sure they were Jean's?

Was there anything

special about them?

Well, they were red.

Just red?

Red, I was told.

Forgive me.

Couldn't any number of women in

Belfast own a pair of red slippers?

I mean, my slippers

are red, truth be told.

Well, I wasn't there,

so, you know

You know, Miss Price,

in other parts of the world,

Peru or Chile, for example,

the disappearing of people

is treated as a w*r crime.

Do you think it's a w*r crime?

I do.

Are you f*cking mental?

Calm down, you.

If you wanted to go public,

you should've done it in '98.

At least then you'd

have gotten immunity.

I don't care about immunity.

Well, I f*cking do!

People need to know

what really happened.

- History's being rewritten.

- Dolours.

That snake in his

f*cking Armani.

This isn't even about

Gerry Adams. f*ck's sake!

This is about you. This

sick need for attention.

Listen to me.

You need to get f*cking sober.

Just get back to St.

Patrick's, and and get over it.

You know what?

I have more clarity now

than I've had in years.

f*ck.

From this morning's

article in The Irish News,

- has revealed a secret

- What do you think?

archive of tapes known

as the Belfast Project.

- A series of confessions

- This

by former IRA paramilitaries.

The tapes are believed

to contain information

about the abduction and

m*rder of Jean McConville.

Just give that a wee stir.

One participant, former IRA

b*mber, Dolours Price, is believed

to have implicated none

other than Gerry Adams

in the m*rder of

the mother of ten.

Gerry Adams has adamantly

denied any involvement

or role in the abduction and

m*rder of Jean McConville.

Where is my mother?

She was completely innocent.

Tapes are at Boston College.

In a place called the Treasure

Room. They've spoken to the IRA, UVF.

And how many of ours talked?

Around 20.

Dolours, Brendan, Ivor.

My fan club.

We're crafting a response. These

people are enemies of Sinn Féin.

And what was said? Do we know?

No. We don't. But, uh--

It's 20 hours worth of tape.

On each?

We know Dolours Price has called

you out directly for the Disappeared.

She has you issuing orders.

Uh, that woman's away with the

fairies. Nobody cares what she says.

Could Brendan have

corroborated what she said?

Like, was he around?

How much did he know?

Well, what's it say?

Her husband's a movie star.

So, I guess she goes to premieres

and puts on stupid dresses

and has been

very happy, Seamus.

All these years.

Oh, and she bombs things.

There's a big surprise, huh?

Maybe you should put it away.

Hello, this is DCI Reilly.

Hello, my name's

Helen McConville.

I would like to press

charges [sighs] formally

against the people

who took my mother.

What the f*ck did you do?

Something had to change.

Well, congratulations.

You got another 15 minutes.

Dotes, what did you

actually say on these tapes?

Nothing.

You do believe me,

don't you, Marian?

I believe you.

Her kids were on the telly.

Whose?

Jean's. The widow's.

They're saying that she didn't

do it. That she was innocent.

She was a tout, Dotes.

She talked. She

got clipped. Sin-sin.

Still.

Their faces do come

to me from time to time.

Dolours. Don't.

Hers.

And Joe's.

It'll be when I'm driving.

It's worse at night.

Aye.

You know what?

I'll be lying in bed, asking

all the big questions.

Could I have done

things differently?

I mean

was it all for nothing?

It's like falling

in love, isn't it?

You know, at first, it's

so thrilling, and then

and then it changes.

In the end, you've done and

said so many terrible things

that there's no way

to fix it. You know?

You need to move on.

You need to move on.

I need to move on?

You're too sensitive. You

hold on to stuff too much.

You wanna look in

the f*cking mirror.

What?

I'm the one living in the

past, you Fenian c**t?

f*cking pot-kettle.

f*ck.

We're both like Da.

We are. Mm-hmm.

Aye.

Lippy b*tch.

Hello?

Danny?

Hi, Dolours.

I have another one for you.

Mom!

Mom!

It's gone 11:00. We're late.

Mom!

Mom.

I'm so sorry.

No.

No.

Dereliction and neglect.

Which have been ignored

by direct rule ministers,

as well as the Housing Exec.

Which, I'm sure you're

all aware I'm aware.

This needs to be addressed as

a matter of the utmost urgency.

Now, we appreciate Sinn Féin's

willingness to act swiftly upon this

but we are concerned

about the Irish Language Act,

Corporation Tax Legislation

Hello?

Gerry Adams, please.

This is Gerry Adams.

Mr. Adams, this is a

courtesy call from the PSNI,

informing you that you're

going to be arrested.

If you'd please report to the

Antrim Police Barracks immediately.

Are we all right?

I'm here for questioning.

Mr. Adams, this should've

been explained to you.

You need to go outside,

so that we can arrest you.

Lad, you've only got one

shot at this. Don't waste it.

Mr. Adams, pleased to meet

you. I'm Detective Hanlon.

And I'm Detective Stevens.

Ah, a Taig and a Prod?

Well, you know, times change.

Now, how can I be

of service, detectives?

Did you know Joe Lynskey?

He was the first to disappear.

Oh, I knew Joe, yeah.

I knew his mother.

How about this fella?

Kevin McKee.

I knew his family. I can't say

I knew him person-to-person.

Do you remember

what happened to him?

Oh, well, there there were rumors

about. You know, there always are.

Did you not know he disappeared?

Hannah, do you not live in the real

world? People go off. People disappear.

People bring back reports of

having seen such and such a person.

Besides, I learned a long time

ago, if you don't ask, you can't tell.

Aye, I knew Kevin

McKee. He was a good kid.

Good craic.

And, uh

Aye. Kevin McKee was a

Oh, do you recognize

the voice on that tape?

Oh, as far as I can tell, it

appears to be someone called C.

That's Brendan Hughes.

Kevin McKee was taken

away by a secret IRA unit.

And how did it function?

Uh, that squad? That unit?

Well, they were the headhunters.

Anyone that needed to be taken

away, it was Gerry's squad that--

I reject that.

- You and Brendan were friends.

- We were friendly.

But Brendan had his issues.

He hated the

He hated the peace process.

He thought I sold him out.

Did you?

If not for the peace process,

Brendan Hughes would still be

out there targeting police officers.

And you'd take the word

of someone like that?

If he was honest

about k*lling cops,

would he not be

honest about you?

Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams

is currently in police custody

after being arrested in

connection with the abduction

About f*cking time.

and m*rder of widowed

mother of ten, Jean McConville

We've some champagne

in the fridge. Will we open it?

Not yet.

The body of which was discovered

buried on a beach in County Down.

Jean McConville.

- You two never met?

- I-I-I met with her daughter.

Yes. You told her that you

were in prison when it happened.

That's right. I

was in Long Kesh.

- But you weren't, Gerry.

- We looked it up.

You were released

two months prior.

Why'd you lie to the family?

I didn't lie. I-I misremembered.

What makes Jean

McConville so special?

Why did she have to disappear?

Dolours Price said that her body

should've been left in the street.

I think that attitude

is grotesque.

- Why?

- Well, it's a lone woman, ten children.

It begs compassion.

You don't think

touts should be shot?

I don't think anybody

should be shot.

So you deny having

any part in her m*rder?

Categorically.

So, what happened next? After

you drove Jean over the border?

We reported back to Pat,

and Pat reported it to Gerry.

So, there is absolutely no doubt

that Gerry Adams knew

about all of these operations?

Gave orders? Knew what was

happening? Was briefed afterwards?

Absolutely no doubt.

I have no doubt that he

knew on every occasion.

You were embarrassed.

You knew she had ten children.

You were running the world's

most sophisticated guerrilla army.

How would that have looked,

k*lling a woman like that?

I believe you used

the word grotesque.

No, no. That is not

what I meant or did.

You needed her to go away.

And if this is a w*r,

then that's a w*r crime.

- Mm-hmm.

- None of this is true.

Dolours Price

was clearly unwell.

Then why do her and Brendan

Hughes have the exact same story?

There was only one man who gave

the order for that woman to be ex*cuted.

And that f*cking man is

now the head of Sinn Féin.

Well, Dolours and Brendan

are entitled to their opinions.

Not opinions, Gerry.

Well, what would you call it?

Hmm?

I mean an

oral history project,

which has no scholarly credentials,

which has no fact-checker.

- Which is run by some--

- Anthony McIntyre.

Bear with me. And you have

a dead woman. An addict--

- You know she was sober when--

- Did I give you a chance to speak?

I gave you a chance to speak.

I'd ask for the same courtesy.

A dead woman. An unstable woman.

Saying she got orders

from some other fella.

Again, not me. Another fella, also

dead, who she says spoke to me.

Well, by her own admission,

she has not exchanged one word

with me about Jean McConville.

Not a whisper.

So, when I say that woman

is entitled to her opinion,

I mean, 'cause that's

what you've got. Opinion.

Not evidence.

Gossip.

I could not have given

that order, Detective.

Because I have never

been a member of the IRA.

Hello.

Yes, she's here. She's with me.

No, we haven't.

Okay.

Okay. Thanks

for letting us know.

Yeah, I'll be sure to tell her.

Released without charges.

All right?

I'm glad they let you come.

I told them I needed to see

her body in order to grieve.

She was a brave woman.

She was a wee tout.

Sure.

I'm joking.

It'll be easy work

She, uh

She say anything about me then?

She was mad about you,

you know that?

Mackers, is someone gonna

come knocking at my door?

She would never say anything

to put you in harm's way.

When we got to

that part of the story

she asked me to

turn off the tape.

So, you drive Jean

over the border.

Leave her with the

g*n crew. Then what?

Turn that thing off, would you?

This is where it gets

dangerous for me.

We were called back.

Hello?

Hello, Dolours. It's Pat.

Hey, Pat.

What's wrong?

- They don't wanna do it.

- Who?

The boys down south?

Yeah.

Where are the rest of them?

- I only brought the one p*stol.

- So, who the f*ck

I'm so I'm sorry,

I wasn't thinking.

But which one of us is

supposed to f*cking do it, Pat?

I'll do it.

f*ck.

It isn't fair for him

to do it on his own.

Shouldn't be in his conscience.

So, what do you wanna do?

We'll do it together.

We'll pass the g*n around.

And Helen.

And Susie.

Jimmy.

And Billy.

And Mickey.

And Max.

Helen

and Jimmy

and Billy.

And Hannah.

And Jimmy.

And Billy.

Let me be very clear.

I am innocent of any

involvement in any conspiracy

to abduct, k*ll or

bury Mrs. McConville.

Mr. Adams. Mr. Adams.

This was a sustained,

malicious and untruthful campaign

run by self-proclaimed

but pseudo-Republicans.

Mr. Adams. Ms. McConville was

one of thousands of IRA victims.

Do you not feel that you

have any blood on your hands?

Not at all.

I am perfectly at peace.

Absolutely.

You know, when it comes to some

of the things we did in those days

for some of us, it's

easier to say nothing.

To keep our

memories locked away.

You can call me

a difficult woman.

But I couldn't live

with the silence.