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01x03 - Follow the Money

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "The Program: Cons, Cults, and Kidnapping". Aired: March 5, 2024.*
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Katherine Kubler, alongside her classmates from Academy at Ivy Ridge, reflect on and describe the horrors they experienced during their time in the program and how they coped with it.

01x03 - Follow the Money

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[darkly intriguing music playing]

[Katherine]

It bothers me how people low

on the totem pole end up taking the fall.

And the people at the top

seem to get away with m*rder.

I knew if I really wanted

to go after these places,

I need to follow the money.

When I first got out,

it was hard to track down

anyone to talk to,

which is exactly

what the program intended.

[Alexa] How f*cking sad is this place

that literally everything was enacted

to make sure

that we never had relationships?

We were never allowed to be friends.

Well, and they did not want us

to find each other…

[Alexa] No, they didn't.

-…after the program.

Not allowed to share

contact information or phone numbers.

When someone left, you're like, "I wonder

if I'll ever find them in the real world."

[Katherine]

When I first got out

of the program,

Myspace was just becoming a thing.

We were able

to find our friends from the program

that we assumed

we'd never be able to see again.

[Allison] So,

even among program graduates,

we had to stalk out

to find each other and stay in contact.

[Alexa] Even in our home contracts,

we're not allowed

to be friends with program kids.

'Cause you know why? They didn't want us

to get together and do this.

[Allison] Right.

[all laughing]

[Allison] "You wanna be

in my Netflix docu?"

[Katherine]

We found out that they were

tracking our Myspace pages after we left

and found an email from Tom Nichols

calling Myspace a "hate site."

So I asked Tom about it when we stopped

by his church for his Sunday sermon.

[Tom] My only role was to take pictures.

[Katherine] So you weren't tracking kids

on social media

after they left the program?

[Tom] No.

If we did that, we would've been fired.

[Katherine] You did do that.

Let me just read you

an email I have from you right here.

"We do have an opportunity to keep track

of where they are and what they're doing."

"It gives us a chance

to keep an eye on them

and see if lawsuits are being formulated."

"I think we should monitor them

and track them quietly."

This is you. You sent this email.

[Tom] I have no idea

where that email came from.

[Katherine] Do you want to go outside

so you're not lying in a church?

[Katherine]

Now there are dozens

of private online groups and forums

where survivors can connect

and share information.

-[Juan] Look at us now!

-[Quintin] That's where it all started.

[Juan laughing]

[Katherine]

It would take us years

to go through

what we call the "waking up" process.

When I first got out, there was

very little information out there,

except for a few online forums.

So I did everything I could

to find proof of what was really going on.

-I had to turn the pen off.

-[man] Did you get some stuff?

-[Katherine] Yes. When I first walked in.

-[man] Good. Okay, cool.

[Katherine]

I tried to find

any experts on the issue.

That's when I came across Maia's book,

Help at Any Cost:

How the Troubled-Teen Industry

Cons Parents and Hurts Kids.

I figured that would be

a good place to start.

So I'm not a real journalist.

You're a real journalist.

I'm like a amateur gumshoe.

'Cause I got out and immediately

started trying to investigate to get…

find anything that would explain

what happened to me.

This was in 2005.

Literally nothing out there.

And then your book came out,

and it frickin' blew my mind!

-It, like… Thank you. Thank you so much.

-[laughing] You are so welcome.

I mean, I really, you know…

I was just horrified

by the fact that these places existed.

And I was just really curious

about who came up with this awful idea.

Like, why? Why?

[Katherine]

After years of trying

to find proof of the abuse,

it's crazy that it was my very own program

that left all the evidence behind.

We could finally find

the answers we were looking for.

Do you know how much your parents paid?

[Molly] Uh, not offhand, no.

Here we go. Cost per student.

[Katherine] There we go.

So, this is saying

a three-month contract tuition, $3,190.

My dad paid more because I have exactly

the contract he signed.

So if he was paying $5,085,

and I was there 15 months…

[incredulously]

Seventy-six thousand dollars? To…

To give me PTSD. [laughing]

[Katherine]

One thing's for sure.

Very little of that money

was actually going to Ivy Ridge.

Ogdensburg is a tiny town

along the St. Lawrence River

in upstate New York.

With two prisons,

a psychiatric hospital, and Ivy Ridge,

its main economy in 2004

seems to have been institutionalization.

[Sean] When you see these houses,

it prompts me to want to feel bad.

It's hard to see suffering…

[chuckling]

…and not have empathy and sympathy.

[Katherine] I mean, I think this is

exactly why Ivy Ridge came to Ogdensburg.

[Sean] Because it was

full of broken dreams, kind of, already.

-And a very distressed economy.

-[dark music playing]

[Brandy] For Ivy Ridge

to pop in here and give out jobs?

Everybody saw that

as a great opportunity to do something.

I had a…

A friend of mine called me up

and said, "We need employees."

Asked me if I wanted a job.

"Hmm. Okay." So I took the job.

And I said, "I can do this.

I just have to sit in a hallway."

Lo and behold, there was a lot more to it.

Emotionally, there was more to it

than just sitting in a hallway

and waitin' for the kids

to get up in the morning.

I was watching these girls

go to bed at night.

No moms and dads to kiss 'em good night.

I followed the rules as best I could,

without breaking my morals.

But I was havin' trouble

with this whole setup.

They were being treated like prisoners.

Things just didn't feel right.

Now, I look back, and I think…

[laughs] "I could've done something."

"Maybe I should've done something."

And those kids deserved better.

[Maia] These programs, they choose places

where there's very high unemployment.

So, suddenly,

they're the biggest employer in the place.

And nobody wants to complain about them

because, otherwise, the entire economy

of the town will be destroyed.

[Katherine]

This former staff member

asked not to be identified.

And I don't blame her.

My friends and I remember her

being one of the meaner dorm parents

while we were there.

[woman] I mean,

I just remember being super strict.

-I was a b*tch.

-Yeah.

[woman] I was.

I mean, it was black-and-white.

"These are the rules."

"This is what they can do.

They can't do anything else."

So I kinda followed 'em to a T.

[Katherine] What were the qualifications

for staff that worked there?

-[woman] Quite frankly, none.

-[Katherine] Really?

[woman] Yeah, I mean,

I was pretty much fresh out of college.

Didn't have any other jobs.

I don't think

I had any sort of background check

or anything

that I would wanna know now as a parent.

And I don't believe

there was any training.

So, they told us,

"If you're being mean,

if the students are complaining about you,

you're doin' a good job."

-Really?

-[woman] Yeah.

I'm sure I had

a million complaints about me.

-I feel bad for that. [laughing]

-Yeah?

[woman] But I thought

I was doin' a good job back then.

[Phil] The message goes out

to the local community

that these kids who we're shipping in

are the worst of the worst.

"We're not shipping in a kid

who drank a Mike's Hard Lemonade."

"We're shipping in kids

who are out of control."

[woman] They told us,

"These are bad kids."

"They're either goin' to jail or juvie."

You know? "They were into drugs."

"They're disrespectful kids."

-"They deserve it."

-[woman] Basically.

[dark music continues]

[Maia] They dehumanize the kids.

They tell the staff that these kids

are liars and manipulators

and that you are doing the right thing

by being cruel to them.

And so people

who have really never had much power

end up on a massive power trip.

[Ken Kay] When we get accused,

or some of our programs get accused,

of being a*usive to children,

uh, that's totally false.

[Katherine]

Ken Kay

was the president of WWASP,

the umbrella organization of programs

which Ivy Ridge was a part of.

But prior to that,

he was the nighttime security guard

at Brightway Adolescent Hospital.

[man] Okay. Where did you work just before

you came to WWASP five years ago?

I was, uh, the security person.

-Uh, eventually, I--

-[man] Security guard?

Um… I…

don't think that was exactly…

It was… We were…

What we were called is "night watch."

[Katherine]

At WWASP,

the lack of qualifications

went all the way to the top.

[Thomas] These guys were charging

a tremendous amount of money

based on the claim

that they had completely turned around

the lives of 15,000 children.

You had parents thinking

that they're dealing

with child turnaround experts,

and they're not.

[Maia] If you actually are providing

decent psychiatric care for children,

it's very difficult to make money

because you need incredibly trained staff,

and everybody's gotta have

a master's-level degree or above.

Now, these places convince parents that,

because their regime is so well-designed

to modify behavior,

"We don't need any trained staff."

"We just put them

through our own training,"

and that's all they need

to be able to fix your kid.

[Katherine]

In the files, we found out

that they were only paying some staff

$5.50 to take care of us.

The average tuition

at Ivy Ridge was $3,500 a month.

So, at the height of enrollment,

they were bringing in

more than $1.5 million a month.

But how much of that

were they really spending on us?

They only spent around four dollars

a day per kid on our meals.

They also saved money

by using child labor.

When you get to level three,

one of your privileges

was you're allowed to work in the kitchen.

The kids were the ones

doing all the cleaning in the facility.

I don't think

we ever had a real janitorial staff.

[Phil] These programs

are remarkably inexpensive to run,

and the WWASP people figured that out.

If you eliminate all the things

that make a school expensive,

and you charge more than what was charged

at the most expensive private colleges

by calling it

"a therapeutic boarding school,"

my God, there was huge money to be made.

And so, the entire underlying concept,

the whole approach, is a scam.

[intriguing music playing]

[John Sullivan] At Ivy Ridge,

there were 500 students, 240 staff,

one certified teacher. One.

They used some type of

a Bible-based home study program to teach.

Switched-On Schoolhouse.

[John] Yeah.

I mean, it was totally inadequate.

And I found that out as I began to unravel

what was going on at Ivy Ridge.

[reporter on TV]

Parents pay out

$30,000 to $40,000

to send their kids to Ivy Ridge.

More than 100 diplomas have been

handed out over the past two years.

But Ivy Ridge is not licensed,

certified, or registered

with the state Department of Education.

The Attorney General's Office

wants to know

whether Ivy Ridge

may have been defrauding people

by passing themselves off

as a diploma-granting boarding school,

when the diploma they were issuing may not

be worth the paper it was written on.

[John] So they were issuing diplomas

that were bogus,

and we were then able to go in

and say, "You know what?"

"You are an educational fraud."

And it was

the largest educational fraud case

in the history of New York State

until Trump University came up.

[Katherine laughing] Oh, really?

Does a behavior modification program

have to go through

any oversight, or regulation,

or licensing in the state of New York?

[John] At the time? No.

New York State actually had

more regulations governing dog kennels

than they did programs for troubled teens.

[Katherine] So is there anyone,

in the entire operation

of Academy at Ivy Ridge,

from 2001 to 2009,

who can say that they have

a legitimate high school diploma?

No.

Nada.

[Katherine] Wow.

And so all the pictures of Ken Kay

and different WWASP people

handing diplomas to students on stage

in a graduation ceremony, what was that?

They might as well have dressed up

as scarecrows and bunnies

and handed each other carrots

or something, you know?

[Katherine]

Since I got pulled

from Ivy Ridge early,

I never got one of their fake diplomas.

My dad ended up issuing me

a home school diploma,

and I was able to get into a film school

in Los Angeles for college.

But a lot of other kids weren't so lucky.

[Katherine] So, you have a high school

diploma from Academy at Ivy Ridge?

-Yeah.

-[Katherine] Do you happen to have it?

Um, no, the…

This is the closest thing I guess I have…

-[chuckling] Right now, um…

-[Katherine laughs]

-So this is high school graduation.

-[Katherine] Yeah?

Uh, 2006. July 2006. So, um…

This is, uh, saying that I was awarded

a diploma from Ken Kay.

[somber music playing]

[Sean] I didn't think about it

until I wanted to apply for college.

That's when I realized the gaping hole

that was the lack

of my high school diploma

and the fraud they had really committed.

I felt slighted. I felt stupid.

You know, "I'm gonna have to get my GED

because this place lied."

Before the program, growing up,

I always wanted to excel and chase dreams.

Educational, athletic.

And I really wanted

to go to a four-year college.

And I just lost that chance.

I didn't even become

that "fixed son" that Ivy Ridge promised.

The biggest post-program issue for me

really is just the disconnect of family.

My mom, she would cry

every time I visited the house

and just apologize for the program.

Every time.

All the time.

[voice breaking] And I told her

not to feel bad and…

that it's okay.

But that was a lie I even told myself.

It's not okay.

Unfortunately, she passed away in 2014,

and the biggest thing that hurts me

about Ivy Ridge is that,

at the end of the day,

my mom never got her kid back.

Ivy Ridge obliterated any chance of that.

The nice thing about America

is there's organizations like ours,

and there's schools like ours,

that are tryin' to help kids

and help families get back together.

[John] At the time, I was not empowered

to conduct an abuse review.

We did what we could do.

[Katherine]

The New York

Attorney General's investigation

and bad press exposed the fraud

at Ivy Ridge,

and business began to suffer.

Many parents opted to send their children

to other WWASP programs,

and enrollment in Ivy Ridge declined

until they officially shut down operations

in 2009.

[Katherine] Ivy Ridge closed,

but every program they're opening

in all these different states

have the same issues of abuse

and are doing

the same thing over and over again.

How have they evaded any accountability?

-I hate to say this.

-[Katherine] Mm-hmm.

But follow the money.

[Katherine]

I went to Montana

to meet with a lawyer who had sued WWASP.

[Ann Moderie] Let's see.

[Katherine]

She was able

to get a rare glimpse

into the inner workings

of their business operations,

and I wanted to see

what she had uncovered.

[Ann] Back in 2005,

a case came into our firm

related to a death at a WWASP program.

And I think that I probably dedicated

90% of my practice to this case

for two years.

We, at first,

just focused on this particular school,

Spring Creek Lodge.

And through that investigation,

we realized the expansive nature

of this organization

called World Wide Association

of Specialty Programs.

Every single one

of these binders are from our case.

[Katherine] That's so much material

to go through.

[Ann] I mean, we had to look

at every single program,

one of which is Ivy Ridge.

These boarding schools

were entering into contracts

with out-of-state corporations or LLCs

that were taking

a third of the profit off the top.

I found 73 companies

that were somehow related to WWASP.

We wanted to know

who really was making the money

and who was profiting off these schools.

So we started looking into

all of these other companies,

and we found

that most of them were from Utah.

And if you dug through

their layers of ownership,

one name kept coming up.

It always ends up down here.

"Robert Lichfield."

"Robert Lichfield. Robert Lichfield."

[Katherine] "Robert Lichfield."

Robert Browning Lichfield.

[Katherine]

Robert Lichfield,

or Bob, as most people call him,

is the founder and owner of WWASP.

It's a real rags-to-riches story.

He grew up in complete poverty

to a large Mormon family in southern Utah.

He dropped out of Dixie State University

and started working

at Provo Canyon School,

which is another

unregulated teen residential program

that has a long history of abuse.

Robert got his start there

and was described

as "a humorless, dictatorial figure

who seemed to delight

in taunting students."

He left in 1988

and opened his first WWASP program,

Cross Creek Manor in La Verkin, Utah.

I think I'm talented, workin' with youth,

but I don't have a quote "college degree"

in that area.

[Katherine]

He had a management contract

with Brightway Adolescent Hospital

and funneled many of the patients

into his WWASP programs.

He even hired the nighttime security guard

from Brightway

to be the president of WWASP

and the public face of the organization.

Robert has somehow managed to evade

liability for all of the fraud and abuse

that had been running rampant

throughout his programs.

And it's a lot.

[Ann] You know, to the press,

he would always deny

when we'd talk

about allegations at various schools.

"Unsubstantiated. Unfounded."

There is no such thing

as "physical punishment."

There's only physical restraint.

And he's even said,

"I don't police these programs."

"I have been to that campus one time."

So, his role,

it appeared, if you just look

from the outside, pretty distant.

But if you study his emails, he had say

in who the director was of each school.

He approved bonuses, consulted on media.

His fingers were everywhere.

He was aware of the problems.

He was aware that children were being

in seclusion for days at a time.

And in the emails,

they're not even referred to

as "children."

They're "units."

It was all about money.

-[Katherine] Yeah.

-Units.

This was a very sophisticated,

lucrative business.

Bob Lichfield referred to it

as "a McDonald's franchise."

WWASP is like the McDonald's name.

And then, it provides services

to all of the associated programs.

They provide media relations.

They put on seminars

for the parents and the kids.

They were kind of the governing body.

And in exchange for that,

WWASP gets $75 per kid,

per month for every child

that is in any of these schools.

And we're talking worldwide.

Thousands of kids.

You can do the math.

That's a lot of money.

And, unfortunately, it was

at the expense of kids and parents.

[Katherine]

The original WWASP facility,

Cross Creek Manor in La Verkin, Utah,

was Robert Lichfield's testing ground.

Okay, I'm going to FaceTime

this Cross Creek survivor I know.

Hello!

Could you give me a tour?

'Cause I didn't go here, so I don't know.

[Emily on phone]

Yeah.

So down that hall to the right,

if you go straight ahead,

that's where the isolation rooms were.

-[Katherine] Oh!

-[Emily]

This is… Oh my God.

I have f*ck' chills.

-[Katherine] Oh gosh. This is small.

-[Emily]

Yeah.

You could be in there for like a month.

This is literally a carbon copy

of what we were living.

Like, I just can't…

[Katherine]

For kids

who were really resistant to the program,

they would send them

to High Impact in Tecate, Mexico,

where they were forced to walk laps

for hours in outdoor dog cages.

This behavior modification model

is like t*rture.

[Katherine]

Spring Creek in Montana

at least had a beautiful mountain setting,

but not one that kids could see

when they were kept in the Hobbit,

a small isolation shack

with no temperature control.

They could be in there for days at a time.

They were allowed

to shower every four days.

This is the classroom.

[Katherine] That is

the most depressing classroom.

[Ann] It was a completely

self-taught program,

and you would lose points

if you looked out the window.

[Katherine]

This was

the WWASP business model.

Holding children hostage

in remote locations

with unqualified staff,

while they con parents

with cult-like seminars

and collect the checks.

So many families were destroyed,

like my own.

You see the human casualties

of these programs.

And then you try to look at,

"Well, what was it all for?"

And it was just to make this guy rich.

[Ann] It's tragic.

[Katherine] So, why hasn't

Robert Lichfield been charged with a crime

or held to account?

[Ann] It was a sophisticated setup.

[Katherine]

J. Ralph Atkin

is a prominent Mormon businessman

and founder of SkyWest Airlines.

He co-owned one

of the first WWASP programs,

Morava Academy in the Czech Republic.

He was WWASP's go-to lawyer

and set up many of Lichfield's businesses.

[Maia] WWASP was basically organized

in a series

of limited liability corporations,

and it's a way to evade responsibility.

"This company didn't do it.

That company did."

"This company is owned by that company."

And, "Well, I didn't know

what those guys were doing."

[Katherine]

Bob's own sister-in-law,

Marie Peart, said in an affidavit,

"When I questioned

why we needed so many bank accounts,

Robert Lichfield told me

to 'keep my mouth shut'

about what went on in the office."

"He then reminded me

of the three monkeys."

"Hear no evil,

see no evil, and speak no evil."

[intriguing jingle playing]

[Robert] When you're

the best in the business,

you're under the most amount

of look and monitoring.

[Katherine]

Bob has been able

to shield himself from liability

and from the public eye.

But in every business,

and in every family, there is a weak link.

And that weak link

is Robert's younger brother Narvin.

I'm either a sinner or a saint,

based on whatever argument

you want to believe.

[Katherine]

Narvin Lichfield is honestly

a great name for a villain,

but he's gone by many aliases.

Though, for a guy

who's trying to hide his identity,

he is very public on social media.

Little tap dance for you. Here we go.

["My Little Tina"

by Levi Brown & Junior Mintz playing]

Hey, oh! My little Tina ♪

Hey, oh! Nothing could be sweeter ♪

Hey, oh! She's my little ballerina ♪

[music distorts and fades]

If you're doing a study

of the WWASPs program,

all you have to say is,

"Narvin Lichfield."

It's a punchline on its own.

[Ann] He was a bit of a wild card.

[Katherine]

Robert enlisted

the help of his brother Narvin

to run some of the programs

and build WWASP

into an empire of troubled-teen programs.

I want you to know that we can truly make

a difference for your child.

[Katherine]

One of his programs

was raided by the police,

and another had its license revoked

by social services.

But he'd just reopen them

under a new name.

But watch out, Narvin, Marvin, Nathan…

whatever name you're going by these days.

We're comin' for you.

[Katherine] This is

the results of our investigation.

And so we've just been trying

to piece together

all these names that kept coming up.

What are the connections

between all of them?

[Katherine]

I met up with Thomas Houlahan

to pick up

where his investigation left off.

WWASP did its best to silence critics,

and Houlahan had ruffled

a lot of feathers.

[Thomas] They asked me,

"What business is it of mine?"

The abuse of a child is the business

of anyone who knows about it.

[Katherine] Here's our main villain,

Robert Lichfield.

And then, of course, you know this idiot.

[Katherine laughing]

[Thomas] Yeah.

[Katherine] For anyone who's like,

"How did someone like Jason Finlinson

become the director of a 'school'?"

Like, "Oh! He married MayBeth Lichfield."

[Thomas] When someone is setting

everything up to be all in the family,

it raises a suspicion that,

you know, they're dealing with family

'cause that way secrets get kept.

[Katherine] Yeah, that is definitely

a family of secrets here.

[Katherine]

For years, I've been piecing

together information about the Lichfields

through old depositions and lawsuits.

I even found this obscure self-published

book by one of the Lichfield brothers

called

Little Boy Lost:

Missing Ret*rded Brother

,

which talks about their weird

fundamentalist Mormon upbringing.

And, yes, it is as bad as it sounds.

So, imagine my excitement

when I saw this post pop up

in the private WWASP Survivors

Facebook group

on St. Patty's Day in 2021.

"Hi, all.

I'm the son of Narvin Lichfield."

"It has been a long time coming,

but I wanted to reach out

to any and everyone here

who went through the programs."

"I just want you to know

that I saw firsthand

how awful those places were,

and that you are not alone."

"If you ever need someone to talk to,

I am here."

So I flew out to Utah

to meet up with him in person.

[intriguing music playing]

[music stops]

The last time I talked to my dad,

he just showed up at my sister's house.

That was four years ago.

Before that, it'd been

another three or four years.

[Katherine] It's a big deal

to cut off your dad.

I cut off my dad for a bit,

and that was tough.

What was it that made you do that?

[Nathaniel] It was

a combination of things, for sure.

You know, I had made

a lot of excuses for him over the years.

And…

I just felt incredibly… guilty.

You know?

I felt like we had destroyed lives.

[Katherine] How would you describe

your dad to people?

-Uh, he's an as*h*le.

-[both laughing]

[Nathaniel] Uh,

he was a man with two faces, right?

A funny guy.

A very charming person.

And then he had a much darker side.

But he saw himself as, like,

a Biblical scholar.

And my understanding of WWASP, as a child,

was that these were places

where we were doing God's work.

So, Narvin was one

of the younger sons of 12 kids.

They had started basically living

in dirt poverty.

But Robert Lichfield is the one

that sort of got the ball rolling

with everybody in the family.

He was sort of the provider

for all of us, you know?

Considering how impoverished

the family was.

He started WWASP

and kinda enticed everybody in.

Got everybody involved.

Narvin had been a used car salesman.

So he could say things

with a straight face to people.

And that's what Robert saw in him.

And he initially got involved

with Teen Help,

the marketing and admissions arm of WWASP.

[announcer on TV]

Teen Help

is a free referral service

for parents of struggling teens

and can help direct parents

to both short and long-term options

to assist their family.

[Nathaniel] The money started coming in

when I was about five or six.

You know,

started living that yuppie lifestyle.

He got himself this pretty expensive house

out in St. George, Utah.

All of a sudden, we had computers.

And my dad kinda saw

a future of everything being online.

[Katherine]

Narvin pioneered early SEO,

search engine optimization.

It made use of cheap internet marketing,

so any time parents searched

for help with their teenagers,

they would be referred

to a Lichfield program

or a referral service.

He created all of

the marketing materials for WWASP,

and there are some real gems in there.

[Nathaniel] I mean, you could see

the original marketing materials…

-They were… pretty bad. [laughs]

-[Katherine] Yeah.

[Nathaniel] But my dad was demanding

more and more involvement with WWASP.

More and more responsibility.

And it only skyrocketed from there

when we went

and moved out to South Carolina.

[uplifting jingle playing on TV]

[announcer on TV]

Nestled in the upstate

farmland of South Carolina,

not far from Augusta, Georgia,

you will find the beautiful country campus

of Carolina Springs Academy.

[music distorts and fades]

[Nathaniel] When I was probably

about 10 or 11, he sat us all down

and said, "God has come to me,

and we are now going to go

open up a school in South Carolina."

And then, from there, he went on

to open up Dundee in Costa Rica.

[Katherine]

Dundee was only open 19 months

before authorities were alerted to abuse,

raided the facility,

and Narvin was arrested.

[reporter on TV]

Costa Rican officials

raided Dundee,

and the school was shut down.

Students tasting freedom ran wild.

Some fled into the jungle,

and others started trashing the place.

We haven't done anything

but try to run a school.

[Katherine]

Narvin didn't waste any time

in rebuilding his Costa Rican facility

into a new program called Pillars of Hope,

only seven months

after his previous program was raided.

My name is Narvin Lichfield,

and I'm the founder

of

Pilares de Esperanza,

or Pillars of Hope, in Costa Rica.

And I want you to know that your children

become our children here.

And that we treat 'em just like

as if it was our children, literally.

God f*ck' forbid

he treat them like his own children.

'Cause he treated us like sh*t.

[chuckling]

It's wild that anybody

could watch this and trust him.

We believe in this process so strongly

that I sent my own son here.

I had a son who was 17 years old,

who was not doing well in school,

who was not progressing well.

[Nathaniel] After my junior year

of high school,

I went and stayed at Dundee

for a few months.

And then I was "enrolled," so to speak,

as a "student" at CSA.

Definitely not to the degree of any

of the poor kids that had to go there.

And then when my dad opened up Gulf Coast,

I went out

and worked there for the summer.

The place was in total disarray.

The head of the school side

of the program,

the first thing he said to me was,

"f*ck your dad.

I'm leaving in three days."

"Guess who's

the new principal of the school?"

"You, buddy." [laughing]

So you became the principal

of Gulf Coast Academy?

Without a degree,

without any qualifications,

without any licensing, nothing.

[Katherine] When did you

first start realizing

what was really going on

with these programs?

[Nathaniel] In my 20s, I think,

after I had cut him out of my life,

and I was able to just take a breather

from all the chaos.

That's when I was able

to kinda look at the bigger picture

and say, "There is a big problem here."

[dramatic music playing]

Do you think Narvin actually believed

that the programs were helpful to kids?

No.

The programs

were a means to an end to him.

And that end being lots, and lots,

and lots of money.

He wanted to live lavishly.

He wanted to spend lavishly.

He had more money

than he knew what to do with.

Bought horses, properties,

just constant vacations.

And it's all just riding

on these poor parents' credit cards.

To think all the allegations of abuse,

and t*rture, and death,

all these kids being robbed

of normal childhoods…

That's where our vacation funds

were coming from.

I remember, at the time,

we were always going out

to visit Bob's property.

-It was just insane.

-[dramatic music building]

[music stops]

[Nathaniel] They called this

the "Millionaire's Junkyard."

This is where

all that parent money went to die.

It all went into this. Just one man's…

ego project.

If any other Lichfields see this,

if anybody else in the family sees this,

like, it's not too late to say, like,

"All of this is f*ck' wrong."

Like, why?

[Katherine] Yeah. Was it worth it, Bob?

[Nathaniel] Only he

can answer that question.

Well, even he's abandoned this.

He's not even here anymore.

[Nathaniel] Yeah, he's not even here.

[Katherine]

Apparently,

Robert hasn't lived there for years.

He's moved on to bigger and better

properties, buying up lots of real estate.

But his nephew Tyler Olson is living there

and running a new program on the property

called Soulegria, which targets

mentally challenged young adults.

Tyler used to be a teen transporter,

one of those people that kidnaps kids

in the middle of the night

to take them to these programs.

He even posted a picture of himself

in a convertible on Facebook and said,

"Sometimes we get to go kidnapping

in luxury, LOL."

He couldn't even spell "kidnapping" right,

or "luxury."

[Nathaniel] Bob's gonna die someday,

and this will all just pass on.

-And what was the point of any of it?

-[Katherine] And where is he now?

-Do you know?

-No.

Like, he set up WWASP in a way

that shielded him from any liability.

And it's not fair

that he gets away with that.

[Thomas] The extent to which

Robert Lichfield

has never paid any price for this,

has never been held to account

for any of this,

bothers me.

The guy who created it all

and he's just gotten away scot-free.

[Thomas] Free as a bird.

[Katherine] Never a day in jail,

I don't think.

[reporter]

There's a question

of political influence in all of this.

According to public records

with the Federal Election Commission,

the owners and directors of

World Wide Schools and related companies,

and their families,

have given candidate donations,

mostly to Republicans, since 2001.

[Katherine]

Robert Lichfield

was Mitt Romney's Utah finance co-chair

and fundraised hundreds

of thousands of dollars for the campaign.

[Rep. George Miller] You worry

that this industry is kind of

infiltrating the political system

at the highest levels

to keep action

from being taken to protect the kids.

[Katherine]

In 2003,

the year before I was sent to Ivy Ridge,

Congressman George Miller

had already started investigating

the abuses in these programs.

[reporter]

Congressman Miller

saved some of his harshest criticism

for one particular group

of alternative programs

known as the World Wide Association

of Specialty Programs.

[Thomas] Congressman Miller had asked

the United States government

to look into the program,

and they just sidestepped this issue.

I look back at how many people

were completely gutless

and sort of allowed this to happen.

What did you think of the GAO hearings,

congressional hearings in 2008?

[Miller] The Government

Accountability Office

found thousands of allegations

of abuse and neglect

in private residential homes for teens

between 1990 and 2007.

Examples of abuse include

youth being forced to eat their own vomit,

denied adequate food,

being forced to lie in urine or feces,

being kicked, beaten,

and thrown to the ground,

and being forced

to use a toothbrush to clean a toilet

and then forced

to use that toothbrush on their teeth.

[Maia] It's astonishing,

the range of punishments

and the types of things

that these programs get away with.

Virtually everything

short of waterboarding.

I strongly believe that the instances

of neglect, abuse, and death

at these facilities

are totally unacceptable

and must be stopped.

It was just disappointing

because we saw these hearings happen,

and they turn up just

so many bombshell moments.

And you're like, "Oh my gosh.

All this horrific stuff is being exposed."

But then nothing happens.

This issue has been so neglected.

It came out in 2008.

I mean, that congressional investigation

revealed a lot.

And still, despite all of that,

there's been no meaningful change.

[Katherine]

Caroline was at Ivy Ridge

at the same time as me.

-[Katherine] Caroline!

-[Alexa] Yeah.

[Katherine] Wait.

I'm gonna bring this to her.

[Katherine]

And she's been

heavily involved in activism

to get federal legislation passed

to regulate the industry.

I actually went to a program called

the Academy at Ivy Ridge

in upstate New York.

I was there for 29 months,

two and a half years of my life,

from when I was 14 years old,

uh, until almost 17.

[Katherine]

WWASP eventually

unraveled after the bad press

and lawsuits became insurmountable.

But these programs are like Whac-A-Mole.

As soon as one gets shut down,

a new one opens up under a different name.

Eagle Ranch Academy is currently operating

out of the original Brightway facility

in St. George.

I happened to stumble upon

a seminar they were running

out of the hotel

I was staying at while I was in town.

[Katherine] Okay.

So, we're staying at the Hyatt,

and there was a trash bag

full of the big, white posters.

"Based on…"

Holy sh*t. Is this what you saw?

[Molly] "Based on your results,

you have exactly what you intended!"

[Katherine] I cannot believe it!

Oh my God!

Are you kidding me?

It's a seminar!

[Molly laughing] "There are no accidents!"

[Katherine laughing]

I can't believe this is real!

[Katherine]

This stuff is still going on

to this day, at this very moment.

[Katherine] Oh my gosh.

Look what business card I just found.

Norm Thibault.

[Katherine]

Norm Thibault

was the therapist at Cross Creek.

He then left to open his own program

called Three Points Center

that works exclusively with adopted kids.

I decided to give them a call

and pretended to be

the parent of a troubled teenager.

[woman on phone]

Happy to share

information, tell you whatever.

[Katherine] Yeah, so our daughter

has had some behavioral issues.

I guess our main concern

is that she will not go willingly.

-[woman]

Yes.

-I'm not sure we can convince her to go.

-Uh…

-[woman]

You don't have to.

Like, she doesn't have to choose

to be with us.

Utah's an involuntary state.

So that means

you have the right to sign her in.

And she can't leave

just because she doesn't want to be here.

And then as far as getting her here,

if you feel like

you couldn't transport her yourself,

you can hire a transport company

to come to you,

and pick her up from your home,

and bring her to the program.

Um…

-Is she adopted through foster care?

-[Katherine] Yeah.

[woman]

Do you have

some post-adoption funding

through the state or the county?

Oh! I don't know.

I don't think so.

Is that something I should look into?

[woman]

Uh, yeah, for sure.

So, we have agreements

with several counties in California.

Oh, really?

[woman]

They fund

the full amount of the program.

-[Katherine] Okay.

-[woman]

We have a contracted rate.

So your out-of-pocket is 200 bucks.

[Katherine] Oh, wow. Okay.

[Katherine]

The troubled-teen industry

as a whole has evolved

and become more resilient over the years.

They've now pivoted from private payment

to government contracts.

[Katherine] So, they'll come and kidnap

my adopted child across state lines.

And they'll take, uh, county…

government money for it.

[Katherine]

Programs now enter contracts

with a variety of public agencies

responsible for the care of children.

[Janja] It's a billion-dollar industry.

I mean, so much money

is being made off the abuse of these kids.

You know, several hundred thousand kids

are in one program or another every year.

[Mike McKell] It is a big industry.

If you look at the data in Utah,

it's an industry

that now exceeds

a half a billion dollars in revenue.

And we have about 100 facilities

in the state of Utah today.

[Katherine]

Utah's the epicenter

of the troubled-teen industry.

And its idyllic setting

and access to nature

have made it a hot spot

for wilderness programs.

[Maia] Wilderness programs

are an especially clever advance

because when you're talking

about reducing costs,

now you don't even need a facility.

You can just take

the untrained staff that you have

and take the kids out into the wilderness.

And you don't even need

to buy very much food

'cause they can eat lizards.

And you can sell it

for thousands of dollars a day.

There is no FDA for behavioral health.

If I want to introduce a therapy,

I can just say, "Standing on your head

will cure addiction."

And, "Come to my treatment center

and pay me $1,000 a day."

And there is nothing to stop me.

Do you believe the troubled-teen industry

has cleaned up its act?

Not at all.

I mean, we have reports of horrific abuse

still coming out of these facilities.

As of a week ago.

As of yesterday.

Last April, a child in Michigan,

Cornelius Frederick,

threw a piece of bread,

and as a result, was violently restrained

by numerous staff and died.

[Sara Gelser Blouin]

There's video of this.

Literally, all he was doing

was throwing bread.

He was not a threat,

but he's restrained for about 12 minutes.

And what happened

to Cornelius wasn't unusual.

We know it wasn't unusual because

of the reaction of the kids and the staff

in that room.

People eating lunch,

scraping things, walking by, looking.

[Katherine]

The only reason

Cornelius was in the program to begin with

was because his mother died.

So he was put in foster care,

which contracted him out

to Sequel Youth and Family Services.

Cornelius died,

and there are thousands of other kids

that experience these restraints

multiple times a week

or witness these restraints

multiple times a week,

which is very traumatic.

And we call this "treatment."

It is not treatment.

There is absolutely nothing

that is therapeutic

about a physical restraint or a seclusion.

It is a management technique

to manage kids in a very violent way.

How many more deaths do we need

to decide that now is the time to act?

[McKell] I wanna see

a federal bill passed.

I think if you bring in

some federal regulation,

you're gonna get to ask the question,

"What treatment is appropriate?

What protocol is appropriate?"

[Katherine]

Any time federal legislation

has been brought to the table,

it's been met

with intense opposition by the industry.

We found an email that Ken Kay sent

to program directors ranting about

the End Institutionalized Abuse

Against Children Act of 2005.

[Katherine] "Utah has approximately

1,500 teens in private youth programs."

"That's pristine money

coming into this little state…

those out-of-state dollars."

"Our state or counties should be

the only regulatory agencies involved."

That sentence, right there.

"Pristine money…

those out-of-state dollars."

[Blouin] The kids are just…

they're tokens in this economy.

And everybody is making a lot of money.

It is human trafficking.

It is…

It is human trafficking of children.

There has to be

somebody looking over that,

and there has to be protection

for the rights of these kids,

because their liberty is taken away

without any court hearing, nothing.

[woman on video]

I noticed you're struggling

with an out-of-control teenager.

Let's talk about it.

[Katherine]

Survivors have been

speaking out on social media

and organizing their efforts to expose

the abuse that still runs rampant

throughout the industry.

[on video]

There's nothing more to fear.

We will fix your child for you

for 36 a year.

[Janja] Kids who were

in these programs, now adults,

are speaking out, are trying to get people

to understand what happened to them.

The survivors are the experts.

The survivors have been telling us

what's wrong for a long time.

They've been telling us what's needed.

[Caroline] These experiences of abuse

are not just reserved to a few bad actors.

It truly is institutional.

It is systemic.

It affects every state

and every community.

[Janja] They are

shutting some places down.

They are causing

some state investigations.

[McKell] Facilities, historically,

have shut down, then start up again.

Bad employees bounce around.

I think that's still…

I think that's still happening.

But we are trying to limit that

as much as we possibly can here.

Yeah, I mean,

I'm not gonna give you any pointers.

-You're the professional here.

-[laughs]

But I'm just saying,

if there's a guy like Robert Lichfield…

Right.

…who has been opening

all these programs all over,

-and they've all had abuse…

-Right.

Can Robert Lichfield be put

on some sort of blacklist or something?

Being like, "Yo, buddy. Enough's enough."

I would think so.

I don't know Robert Lichfield, but--

You will! Soon enough.

I will watch the documentary,

and I will take notes of Robert Lichfield.

Okay. Keep an eye out.

[Katherine]

The Lichfields and their

protégés are still running programs,

just not under the WWASP name.

[Katherine] So,

what is Narvin doing these days?

He is… still operating.

-That's insane.

-Yeah.

All you have to do is type

"Narvin Lichfield" into Google,

and you'll find tons of stuff on the guy.

And, yet, people still send him kids.

[Katherine]

While I was in Utah,

Narvin posted on social,

inviting people to do karaoke

on Wednesday nights at Club 90 in Ogden.

So I thought I'd drop by

while I was in town.

Thanks for the invite, Narvin.

See you there.

[man on mic]

All right, we got Narvin

comin' up for his first one.

-[crowd cheering and clapping]

-["Witchcraft" by Frank Sinatra playing]

And I've got no defense for it ♪

The heat is too intense for it ♪

What good

Would common sense for it do? ♪

[Katherine]

It was surreal

to see Narvin in person.

Knowing everything I know about this guy,

the children he abused,

the parents he conned,

all of the crimes he's gotten away with…

Yet, here he is, free as a bird,

singing Frank Sinatra at a club in Utah.

I didn't talk to him

because I didn't want to blow my cover,

and I don't like giving abusers

a platform to spew their bullshit.

-[crowd clapping]

-[man on mic]

All right!

That was Narvin Sinatra!

[grimacing] Ooh! All right. Let's do it.

-["One Way Or Another" by Blondie playing]

-[crowd cheering]

[Katherine]

Unlike the Justice Department

or FBI,

there's nothing I can really do

to the Lichfields except this.

But don't get too comfortable, Narvin.

'Cause one way or another,

I'm gonna get ya.

One way or another ♪

I'm gonna find ya ♪

I'm gonna get ya, get ya, get ya ♪

One way or another ♪

I'm gonna win ya ♪

I'm gonna get ya, get ya, get ya ♪

[Katherine] All these people,

they've gotten away with this for so long.

So I think a lot of them

really do think they got away with it.

I think Narvin, I think Robert,

they've gotten away with it for so long.

And so if the smallest thing

that can come out of this

is just to expose it publicly,

they're getting off easy.

Very, very, very easy.

[somber music playing]

[Katherine] There's revenge I could do,

but I'm not gonna do it.

I'm not… being malicious.

I'm setting the record straight.

Who knows what will happen legally

if any law enforcement organization

will actually get their sh*t together

and investigate?

Like, you know,

if they actually serve time in prison,

if they actually get

whatever punishment is due

for people who abuse children,

knowingly abuse children…

There are punishments for that,

and I'm not a law enforcement agency.

I'm just a kid trying to expose the truth.

And it really just started out…

[crying] It was just to show my dad.

Because they didn't believe me.

They didn't believe any of us

about this sh*t.

[dark music playing]

[Katherine] I thought

it was just Ivy Ridge when I…

when I started looking into this.

And Ivy Ridge is bad.

It gets worse and worse and worse.

And then you realize,

"Oh, it's not just Ivy Ridge."

It's multiple programs.

Multiple states, multiple countries,

multiple families, multiple children.

So, if I'm bringing that to light…

[laughs] That's justice.

That's accountability.

[Robert Donat on TV]

I am exposing criminals.

Not for their sins against myself,

but for their black injustices to others.

Not only for what they have done,

but for what they continue to do.

They are the ones devoid of all humanity.

The ones that profited

by the sufferings of others.

-[Katherine] This is what I've been up to.

-[Ken] Wow.

That looks like a, uh,

crime-solvers type of thing.

[Katherine] Well, there's been

a lot of crime going on.

You look like Carrie in

Homeland

.

I feel like Carrie in

Homeland,

with all the mental breakdowns.

Well, you've done a good job.

[Katherine]

My dad's always been

supportive of my filmmaking.

-[Ken] Can I take a picture of this board?

-Sure.

In fact, why don't you

stand over by it, Katherine?

[Katherine]

So, part of me

feels really bad making a documentary

that will make him seem

like a horrible parent.

Lean towards 'em and gesture towards 'em.

Yes. There you go.

[Katherine]

Because he was

a really good dad.

[Ken on video] And here we are

with baby Katherine, and she just woke up.

-It is Katherine's birthday.

-[girl] There's the birthday girl.

-Right there.

-[Ken] December 5th, 1989.

Katherine, what do you have?

Can you make it play?

[discordant music on video]

[Katherine]

Here he is helping me

with my first documentary about Mars.

I'm interviewing Katherine

about her planet report.

Now, exactly what planet are you doing?

Oh, I am doing Mars.

Here is a picture that I made about Mars.

-[Ken] Hold it straight.

-[Katherine] What? Oh.

[Ken whispers] Tell us about it.

And if you weigh 100 pounds on Mars,

you'd weight about, like…

[whispers] Dad, put the camera up.

The camera up!

Up! Up!

And, well, that's it that I have.

[Katherine] Let's see

what some of these are.

Every day, they would make us

write reflections.

-[laughs] So…

-[Julie] Oh, that's interesting.

[Katherine] Yeah, so here's a few things.

"Reflections."

Look, my quote of the day is,

"'I love Daddy.' By me."

[Ken] Aw.

-[Ken exhales]

-[Katherine] Yeah.

So, here's a note on 3/28.

"Katherine went to worksheets

because she got a major mischief

for looking at the boys in the hall."

[laughing] "A major mischief."

"A major mischief

for looking at the boys in the hall."

So, when the boys

are crossing you in the hall,

they have these dorm parents

looking at your eyes to see if you--

Oh, yeah. You are not allowed to look.

If your eyeballs look out of line,

then you get in trouble.

So they got somebody staring at everybody?

Yeah, you're being…

Your entire body is being scrutinized.

-[Claire] See, to me that's sort of…

-[Ken] That's the worst abuse.

-[Claire] …kind of the worst.

-Yeah.

That control.

You don't have any physical autonomy.

[Ken] Turning you into a robot.

See, that's one of the things the parents

have no clue that it's at that level.

You have no way of knowing.

-[Katherine] I thought you knew.

-No.

For the longest time,

I was like, "You knew."

'Cause you were like,

"Try this program. It works."

How could you not know

we're not allowed to talk?

That's the most fundamental thing

about the program.

[Ken] They never tell you.

So you had no idea

we were not allowed to talk?

-[Ken] No.

-[Claire] Not allowed to smile.

[Katherine] I write in letters,

"We're not allowed to talk."

Somehow or another, that doesn't connect.

Maybe you think it's so absurd

or you assume that means study hall.

-[Claire] Like, "Don't speak in school."

-Something like that.

You don't assume it's 24/7.

[Katherine] I think the thing

I've been realizing the most

as I've been going through these files

and seeing the program

for what it really is,

is just how manipulated you were

and how lied to you were.

[Ken] Yeah, it's sort of shaming

to realize you've been manipulated

when you consider you're pretty smart.

[Katherine] Mmm.

-Yeah.

-Particularly by…

-Idiots.

-[Ken] Yeah!

Wish we could do it over.

Mm-hmm.

-I'm glad we're talking.

-[Katherine] Mm-hmm.

And I'm really supportive of this effort.

You're doing a great job

and I'm very proud of you.

Obviously, I'd love

to see Robert Lichfield in jail

for what he's done, but I can't do that.

But what I can do

is expose the methodology

of these places in this documentary.

Yeah.

So that other parents

don't get manipulated

and sucked up into this scheme.

Somebody needs to come up

with a alternative.

If you're even being tempted to…

put your kid in some program like this,

well, what's the alternative?

There is no easy answer to that.

[Phil] A lot of times, people ask me,

"What should parents do instead?"

And most of the time,

I say, "I'm not that smart."

I just know they shouldn't do this.

That this is absolutely clearly wrong.

[Maia] The fundamental flaw

with these places

is that "troubled teen"

is not a diagnosis.

Adolescence is a crazy time

for a lot of people.

And part of the point of it

is to get away from your parents.

So you may be rebelling,

or doing things that they don't like,

or just experimenting,

or just figuring out

ways to piss them off.

It's the job of the adult to be like,

"I get that. That's a teenager."

[laughs] Um…

You know, "I'm trying to keep them safe."

But when you do things

to break their image of themselves,

it's just harmful. It's just not…

There's no way to help somebody like that.

And it also makes it really difficult

for them to function when they come out.

When somebody gets out of a confinement,

they get into survival mode.

And surviving right now at this moment

means not looking at that.

[Katherine] For me, it was workaholism.

That kind of worked out for me.

I kept myself busy

so I wouldn't have to think.

And then, eventually,

when I was forced to confront it,

I started just having really bad,

debilitating kind of PTSD things.

-C-PTSD.

-[Katherine] C-PTSD. Yeah, there we go.

[Katherine]

C-PTSD,

or complex post-traumatic stress disorder,

is caused by long-term abuse or trauma

in which the individual perceives

little or no chance of escape.

[Janja] Complex PTSD, it colors

all your relationships afterwards,

because of the mistrust, and the paranoia,

and the fear,

and the betrayals, and all of that.

You have flashbacks, you have nightmares,

but you also have huge issues of trust,

loss of sense of self,

not knowing how to relate to people.

[Roderick] They're probably never

gonna go into therapy.

There are probably

some that will go into therapy,

but that's gonna be rare,

because they were abused

in the name of therapy.

[Katherine]

It's rough.

Like, there are nights

I'll be in the fetal position, crying.

And it's heavy,

and I don't know how to describe

how debilitating it can be.

"They tried to m*rder

children's souls here."

f*ck WWASP.

[Katherine]

And, unfortunately,

for a lot of program kids,

that's ended in suicide or overdose.

Oh, yeah. The suicides. Um…

One of the really,

really most difficult aspects

of even being aware

of this whole situation is the suicides.

So many come out of these programs.

[Maia] These programs do real damage,

lasting damage to children and families.

And some of that cannot be fixed.

[somber music playing]

There's a lot of times,

from 2006 to 2022, that I…

have not wanted to live.

And, unfortunately, it's beyond my fingers

to count people that I spent time with

in my program experience

that are not here.

[somber music continues]

[Katherine]

We've been keeping a list

of people we know from Ivy Ridge

who have k*lled themselves

or overdosed since their time there.

It's at about 40.

[fire crackling]

[Katherine] Oh, this is nice. Here we go.

That's a good fire, Quintin.

Did you guys ever watch

Are You Afraid of the Dark?

[Quintin] Hell yeah.

Do you know it's full-blown Canadian?

-Is it? Wow.

-[Quintin] Yeah. Listen to 'em talk now.

It'll blow your mind.

It freaked me out when I heard it.

[imitates Canadian accent]

"What are you talking about?"

[in comical accent]

"Are You Afraid of the Dark?"

[Quintin] Pretty much. It is strong.

Wait. Do you have any files to burn?

Yeah, I have a whole box I haven't

yet burned that they want destroyed.

-[Katherine] They asked you to burn 'em?

-Yeah.

-[Katherine] Let's burn 'em.

-Want to burn 'em now?

[Molly] Yeah, let's do it.

Get it over with.

[Katie] All right. It should be…

this one right here.

[Katherine] What are these we're burning?

People that said they don't want them?

-[Katie] Yep. They're over it.

-[Katherine] Burn it.

[Quintin] They found

some way to get through it.

This sh*t right here burns good.

[Katie] For the most part,

I mean, people want their files back.

Just out of pure curiosity, I would say.

But these people just…

they don't want to revisit

that time in their life whatsoever.

So…

-[fire crackling]

-[pensive music playing]

-[Quintin] Therapeutic, ain't it?

-[Katie] Yeah.

-[Quintin laughing]

-Yeah, this is therapy.

[Quintin] Hell yeah.

[Katherine] Every file, you know,

is just someone's destroyed life.

Oh my gosh. Another frickin' huge one.

[Quintin] Separate 'em a little bit.

They'll burn better.

[Katie] Ooh, that's smart.

[Quintin] Feel that heat?

[laughing] That is hellfire, right there.

All right.

[Alexa playing

"Girls Just Want To Have Fun" on keyboard]

[Alexa]

I come home

In the morning light ♪

My mother says,

"When you gonna live your life right?" ♪

Oh, Daddy, dear

You know you're still number one ♪

But, girls, they wanna have fun ♪

Oh, girls, they wanna have fun ♪

[Katherine]

This story

does not have a happy ending.

And the story is far from over.

The troubled-teen industry

is still alive and thriving.

They're still out there,

institutionalizing children

with little to no oversight or regulation.

[Janja] People need to know

that these programs exist,

and that they're unregulated,

and that the harm is monumental.

And something needs to be done about it.

That's all they really want ♪

Some fun ♪

When the working day is done ♪

-Oh, girls, they wanna have fun ♪

-[inaudible]

[Alexa]

Oh, girls, they wanna have fun ♪

[Katherine]

I often think of

what Maia said in the intro to her book.

"Creative, difficult,

challenging teenagers,

the ones most likely

to become our artists, our writers,

our social critics, and our scientists,

are at risk in this climate."

"Tough-love programs,

no matter how well-intended,

often wind up destroying these kids

in their attempts to save them.

"

"If there were good research that showed

that such programs are effective,

there might be an ethical dilemma

over their use."

"But in the absence of such data,

and in the presence of much

that suggests they produce damage,

not improvement,

we should stick with the first principle

of medical ethics,

'first, do no harm.'"

Some boys take a beautiful girl

And hide her away ♪

From the rest of the world ♪

I wanna be the one to walk in the sun ♪

Oh, girls, they wanna have fun ♪

Oh, girls just wanna have fun ♪

[Katie] There needs to be people

that keep up with the cause, you know?

And that…

stick with it to see it through

till the very end,

till the program is in that fire pit.

[Katherine]

There are thousands

of children

still trapped in these programs.

Like Thomas Houlahan said,

"The abuse of a child is the business

of anyone who knows about it."

Now you know.

[song ends]

[pensive music playing]