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01x03 - One of One

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Charlie Hustle & the Matter of Pete Rose". Aired: July 24, 2024.*
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Chronicling baseball legend Pete Rose's career, rise to fame, scandals and bid for reinstatement, with archival footage and interviews exploring his contradictory persona as both a tenacious hustler and a fallen icon tainted by gambling.

01x03 - One of One

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How about your grand slam?

The ball went by him.

I said, take a ride on that one.

Take a ride on that.

Don't say a word

to any reporter.

Nothing.

- Don't what?

Don't say a word

to any reporter.

Nothing.

What's that?

Yeah.

Now, he's a guy

Baseball greats from

the first Phillies team

to win a World

Series are returning

to South Philly this weekend.

And for the first time

since he was banned

from Major League Baseball,

Pete Rose will take the field

at Citizens Bank Park.

Let's meet the starting lineup

of the 1980 World Series!

- Pete!

- Pete Rose!

- Pete!

- Pete!

Oh, it was great

it was wonderful,

because I've always had

the utmost respect

for Philly fans.

But then that girl ruined it.

That re that

reporter ruined it.

Some 21-year-old girl started

talking about something

that supposedly

happened 30 years ago.

Go ahead.

Number 14, Pete Rose!

Rose given a pretty

touching ovation,

although there were definitely

boos mixed in there.

In an availability

before the ceremony,

Rose was asked by

a female reporter

about a statutory

r*pe claim against him

from 1973 that

resurfaced in 2017.

And he responded by saying,

"It was 55 years ago, babe."

Pete, come with me for a second.

I call everybody babe.

I don't call them baby.

"Hey, baby."

Babe's different

than baby, I think.

She ought to be flattered

that I call her babe.

Ladies and gentlemen,

the greatest player

in the history of

baseball, Pete Rose.

Batting first and

playing left field,

number 14, Pete Rose.

One of the game's

greatest players

has engaged in a variety of acts

which have stained the game.

That's what I

think of Pete Rose.

Mr. Rose has accepted

baseball's ultimate sanction,

which is lifetime ineligibility.

Bunt to left field.

Hello.

Where are we sitting, anywhere?

Why don't we just do it

over here, in the back.

We're just going do

it in the back here.

To get Pete sort of

socialized back into baseball,

MLB allowed him to attend

the Phillies reunion.

So this was the first

time in many years,

with their blessing,

their acquiescence,

he was gonna make a

public appearance.

And with all good intentions,

you hope that it would

be a perfect day.

But with Pete, it's

not a perfect day.

You were asked before the

game about how you thought

some of the sexual allegations

against you in 2017

might affect the way

fans or women view

You know, I'm gonna

tell you one more time.

I'm here for the Philly fans.

I'm here for my teammates, OK?

I'm here for the

Philly organization.

And who cares what

happened 50 years ago?

You weren't even born.

So you shouldn't be

talking about it,

'cause you weren't born.

And if you don't know

a damn thing about it,

don't talk about it.

All right, guys. We're

gonna stop there.

Thank you, Pete.

Thanks, everyone.

I think being a baseball player

kind of hurt me as a marriage.

You would think it

would help you because

you're always away from home.

But, you know, I didn't like

to go to bed early on the road.

Uh, but there again,

if someone tells me

to leave, I leave.

I'm gonna leave.

You gonna tell me

what you fight about?

Well, everything.

Just everything.

You know, I'm a jealous woman.

I've always been jealous.

Well, he's not like that.

Well, wouldn't you be jealous?

- You know.

Well, I mean, it's not

like he runs around.

He's a busy person.

Well, you know yeah, well.

What, Karolyn?

Yeah, well

Just going back a little

bit, you said that, you know,

you were there basically when

the divorce was happening.

Yes.

Do you remember

what that was about?

Was there a specific

reason for

Well, Pete had a

lot of girlfriends.

And he'd always take me

with him to the racetrack,

and little Petey.

Well, on the way

to the racetrack,

we always picked

up his girlfriend.

And one time, we came home,

and Karolyn asked me

she said, so who

was at the park?

And I says, "It was

me, Pete, and Petey."

And she says, "Why

are you lying?"

She goes, "Pack your

bags and get out."

And I'm, like, devastated.

And then they start

getting into some words,

heated argument, and

Pete says, you know,

"I'm getting the eff

out of here anyhow."

And he whistles.

"Tommy, let's go."

We end up leaving and

never went back there.

And he ended up

getting a condominium,

and then the fun began.

The 21-year-old Tom

Gioiosa attended college

in Brockton, Massachusetts.

His baseball team came to Tampa

for a tournament

a few years ago.

It was then that

Gioiosa met Pete Rose.

We ended up going down

to Tampa, Florida,

for spring training, and

we stayed at the same hotel

as some of the Cincinnati Reds.

It was called King

Arthur's motel.

But back then, my

whole drive was

to become a professional

baseball player.

And a lot of the guys would

go out partying at night,

and I basically just hung

out by the swimming pool.

And there was this

little boy that would be

hanging around the pool.

And I ended up asking if

he wanted to play catch.

The kid who asked

Tom to play catch

was Petey Rose, Pete's son.

After three days of catch,

Petey thought it was high time

for Tom to meet Petey's dad.

I was scared to death,

and Pete Rose was

sitting on the bed, laid

back, watching sports.

And I came in.

I said, "It's my pleasure

to meet you, Mr. Rose."

And he you know,

he shook my hand.

And I honestly, I can

tell you guys that even now,

I mean, I can

feel I got chills.

Like, there I was,

meeting my idol.

Pete and Tom were to

cross paths again,

same time, same place

the following year.

Rose never forgot how kind

Tom was to his son Petey,

and neither did Petey.

Petey asked Tom to visit the

Rose family in Cincinnati.

After Pete's divorce,

Tom wound up staying with Pete.

Now the two are good buddies.

Who is this guy?

How is he living with you?

He just was a good, young kid

here by himself in Cincinnati.

His family's back East,

and all he wanted to

do was play baseball.

And I had enough space in my

house where I could put him up.

And he become like a

a young assistant for me.

Was he someone who

helped you place bets?

Eventually, yeah. Eventually.

How did it work?

Uh, I think he

knew the bookmaker.

Now, when you started

with the Phillies,

did he go to Philly with you?

He stayed in my house in

Philly in Cincinnati.

He would do all the errands

and stuff like that,

and he would take time to

always play with Petey.

Tommy liked baseball

more than I did,

if you can believe that.

And I wanted to help the kid.

He says, "You're coming

to spring training.

"You're staying with us,

and Petey's no problem.

"And you and Petey are

gonna drive my Porsche

to spring training

in in Clearwater."

He says, "You know, it's

gonna be fun, and

and you're gonna be

a baseball player."

When he signed with him,

everything changed

for the Phillies.

Everything changed.

I believe that he

felt what we needed

was someone of his

stature to push us over.

Griffey swings.

Slow chopper, right side.

Here comes Concepción.

And the 1976 pennant

belongs to the Reds.

We failed in our first

three opportunities

in the post season.

We got beat by the Reds in '76,

and then the next two

years, it was the Dodgers.

The 1-0 pitch.

It's all over.

He hit it to center

field for a base hit.

And it's all over.

Just like that, the Dodgers

win the pennant again.

Pete took me from one of the

best players in the league

to the best player

in the league.

I taught him how

to be consistent,

and I think that's one thing

Mike Schmidt started doing

after I got there.

He started becoming the best

player seven days a week.

I'm not bragging, but

he used to call me that

every time he'd see

me so that that title

kind of hung with me, you know?

And I tell you, I walked

around with my chest out.

I walked around with a

different level of confidence

as a player just because

Pete was around me.

Baseball superstar Pete Rose

returned to

Cincinnati last night,

his first game in

his old hometown

since becoming a millionaire

Philadelphia Philly.

I'd just like to thank

the great Cincinnati

tri-state fans

who supported me so

tremendously over 16 years.

Thank you.

I went to his first game

back at Riverfront Stadium,

and I brought my camera.

And boy, did I boo him,

and I let him know,

like the rest of us did.

Though the applause was

enthusiastic before the game,

it cooled considerably

each time Pete came to bat

in a nothing-for-four night.

Man, I let him know

how mad I was at him,

how pissed off.

I mean, I'm 10 or whatever.

I was 11.

But I'm like, you know,

"You suck, Pete Rose!"

You know, "We hate you!

You're the worst."

And I remember thinking, like,

I can't believe I'm

saying this to my idol.

As for Rose, he fielded well,

but his new team lost.

Later, he said he understands

being both a hero and villain.

And there's a moment

and I have the photograph.

I have to find it.

Where I swear, he

looked right at me.

He's looking right down the

barrel of the lens at me,

and it's like he's

looking into my soul.

And he's going, "What

do you expect, kid?"

I never left Pete.

I was, like, shocked.

You know, I called my mother.

Nobody could believe it.

One day, Pete says,

"I got an idea."

And I said, "What's that?"

He said, "You're going

back to college."

And he says, "You're gonna go

"to the University

of Cincinnati.

You're going on the

Pete Rose scholarship."

That summer, I played in the

Cape Cod baseball league,

which was even

more unbelievable.

And then I when

that was over,

I came back and met

Pete in Philadelphia,

hung out there

with the Phillies.

And there I was,

dressed in a uniform,

taking ground ba*ls

with Manny Trillo,

turning the double play with

Larry Bowa to Pete Rose.

All the people coming in, and

I'm living with the legend.

I'm living with

Pete Rose, the guy.

Oh, pal.

Yo.

Keep that whistle

out of here, would you, man?

Rose is running.

Hot throw.

He's got it.

Pete was a motivator.

He really was.

I don't care what

caliber player you were.

Look, if you wasn't busting,

Pete wasn't afraid to

tell you like it was.

He's just one of the

down and dirty guys

that make things happen,

say the right things,

keep the team loose,

handle the press, and, you know,

do all those

behind-the-scenes things that

take the pressure from

the media off of us.

Long drive way back, baby!

Way, way outta here!

Home run!

Mike Schmidt!

The Phillies are

in the playoffs.

An unbelievable finish

to an unbelievable year

for the Phillies.

Another sell-out crowd

here at the Astrodome

this afternoon, the Phillies

down two games to one,

the best three out of five.

Should the Astros win,

there's no tomorrow.

It's down the left field

line towards the corner.

It's bouncing off the wall.

Here comes Rose around third.

And the throw to the plate

gets away from Bochy.

Crowd roars.

Pete Rose and Ray

Fosse all over again.

He looked like Roberto Duran

coming in, I'll tell you.

You gotta understand,

Pete's gonna try

to find a way to beat you.

That's the way Pete played.

And Bochy should

have known that.

Three, two, pitch.

Swing and a drive,

right center field.

Man on, and score.

The final out of the game.

And

Look at that ballclub.

The Phillies are 1 and 10,

and they're being mobbed.

The Phillies are in

the World Series.

The crowd will pretty much

tell you what's happening

in this ninth inning.

Willie Aikens, the batter.

One out.

Phillies, four, Kansas

City, one, top of the ninth.

Bases loaded.

And Frank White is the batter.

It's popped up.

Boom.

Rose, he'll have a play.

Boone dropped it,

and Rose caught it.

Rose was right there.

It popped out of his glove,

and Rose made the play.

Pete catches it.

Now, Pete catches it and

starts spiking it, right?

As he's running

toward the mound,

he's spiking it, right in

the face of the other team.

He is so much of an

in-your-face guy,

it's unbelievable.

First time in 86 years

the Phillies won

the World Series.

86 years.

That's a long time.

Baseball's been played in

Philadelphia for 150 years.

They've won two World Series,

and Pete Rose was a

part of one of them.

And some people say he's

the most important part

of one of them.

And he deserved to be there,

to be allowed onto the field,

to hear those cheers.

But as we always

see with Pete Rose,

just because you're

wearing a uniform

doesn't exempt you from

who you are as a person.

And a reporter asked

a perfectly legitimate question.

He was dismissive of

her, rude, arrogant

threw out all the goodwill

and made the focus

about himself.

All right, then.

What's up, Petey?

How you doing?

Thank you.

I love you.

OK.

All right.

Take care.

All right.

- Thanks, Pete.

- Thank you.

Hey, Pete.

Pete, that's Alex from the

"Philadelphia Inquirer."

You and her spoke

earlier, maybe.

Was we speaking, or

was she attacking me?

No, no.

I introduced myself

as a reporter for

the "Philadelphia Inquirer,"

and I asked you a question.

Yeah.

But you didn't mean to offend.

Oh, no.

I did I call you a name?

You called me babe.

I have it on record.

So that's the right stuff.

Keep playing

Think they'll throw

me in jail for that?

No, but you didn't

mean to offend.

No, I didn't mean

to offend anybody.

I was on my way down the runway.

I was sweating my butt off.

You're not old

enough to offend me.

Yeah, I think he just

wanted to tell you,

he didn't mean to offend.

That's what he wanted.

I didn't even

realize I said that.

- Yeah. Yeah.

He just wanted to tell

you, if you felt offended,

he wanted to apologize.

Will you forgive me if

I send you 1,000 ba*ls?

No.

That's the last thing she needs.

But he wanted to

apologize. That's

- Right, Pete?

- Have a good day.

- You too.

Sorry.

Yeah.

You know, people say, that

maybe I didn't

like that question.

That wasn't the

right time for that.

Or I'm not here to think about

Pete Rose's personal life.

But, man, when he keeps digging,

it's almost like he

can't help himself.

I don't think we would have won

the World Series without Pete.

Pete was the top winner in

baseball up to that point.

We were all, basically,

just like me,

kind of in awe of everything

that he had accomplished

to that point in his career.

Of course, a lot was to come

in terms of career records.

Batting for the Phillies,

first baseman Pete Rose.

First pitch to Rose.

Out there oh, there it is.

In his fifth at-bat

of his second season,

Pete Rose moves up to the top

of the National

League's hit list.

Rose is already

dreaming of collecting

another distant goal,

baseball's epic gold

record of 4,191 hits.

Tell the president I'll

be with him in a minute.

- Hello, Mr. Rose?

- Yes, sir.

Mr. President's on.

Go ahead, please.

Hello?

Yes, sir.

- Hello, Mr. Rose.

One moment, please.

- Hello?

One moment, sir.

Good thing there ain't

a m*ssile on the way.

Yes.

- Would you hang up the phone?

I'll call you right back.

OK. Yes.

- Who's speaking, please?

- Pete Rose.

One moment, sir.

Larry, I'll give

you my home number.

- Hello.

- Hello.

- Pete Rose?

Yes, sir.

Listen, this is Ronald Reagan.

How are you doing?

Well, I don't know.

I'll tell you.

Well, we were gonna give

you five more minutes,

and that was it.

I just wonder. We've

been having some

I don't know.

There's something

about Pete Rose.

There's something

there that just

he's different than anybody else

in the history of the

game, except for maybe

Oddly enough, Ty Cobb.

Ty Cobb held the record

for the most hits ever.

Like Pete, he would

do anything to win.

Well, I've always

had an admiration

for any ballplayer that

really went out there

and hustled and hit and fielded.

I think baseball

is that, to hustle.

It's funny, the two

iconic images of the two

are both of slides

Pete Rose head first,

his safety be damned.

Ty Cobb, spikes high,

your safety be damned.

The legend is he was the

meanest son of a b*tch

who ever lived and the

best baseball player.

Everybody loved Babe Ruth.

Everybody hated Ty Cobb.

It seems like every day,

this fellow is

setting a new mark.

But Pete's biggest

milestone in '82 is a double

in St. Louis that gives

him more career hits

than Hank Aaron,

moving him ever closer

to Ty Cobb's all-time mark.

Hit number 3,772,

and Pete Rose now

is the number two hitter

in the all-time Major League

Yeah.

I knew a couple guys who

worked in the organization.

And, you know,

back in them days,

they wanted eager kids.

They wanted guys that

would walk through hell

in a gasoline suit

to play baseball.

And Tommy was one of them.

I respected that. I liked him.

I liked him because

he was like me.

The more you watch

young Tom Gioiosa,

the more it reminds you

of a Pete Rose clone.

He looks like Pete.

He hustles like Pete.

He switch hits like Pete.

He plays second base

like Pete used to.

The Orioles liked what

they saw, signed him,

and he leaves for

Tampa March 17th.

There, Tom Gioiosa will be

reassigned to one of the

I signed my Major League

Baseball contract.

My dreams were all happening.

It was unbelievable.

I never sat there and says,

"Oh, my God, is he using me?"

I was more of feeling

in debt to him

because I couldn't pay him.

I didn't have any money,

but I could certainly

do whatever was asked.

He was a scrappy kid

scrappy, young kid.

Not as good as me,

but he played like me.

When you left Philly you

did leave Philly, right?

Yeah.

Partly because they weren't

gonna play you every day.

They told you, we're not

gonna play you every day.

But I could still play

every day, though.

That's the difference.

I was still able to

play at a high level.

That's why I kept playing.

I was a broadcaster

in Baltimore in 1983

when the Phillies got

back to the World Series.

A liner and the Orioles

are the world champions.

Now, the Orioles did beat them.

But in the third game

of that World Series,

Pete Rose was not in the lineup.

And I think Pete was

just totally outraged.

I wasn't a good

spectator in baseball.

I missed 10 games

in the '70s 10.

That's 11 years.

I didn't go to the ballpark

to watch the damn game.

I went to the ballpark

to play in the game.

Pete wants to play every day.

We could not assure him

that he was gonna play

every day with the Phillies.

He will be free to

sign with any club.

I would say that

I admire him more

than anybody that's

ever been in a uniform,

and I thank him.

Well, there's Pete.

And of course, he has

a story here today.

Media in from all over North

America on the Rose watch.

He needs one hit to

become the second

player in Major League

Baseball history

to accumulate 4,000 hits.

4,000 hits had only been

attained by Ty Cobb,

and that was pre-television.

It made the chase

something of an event

because nobody alive

had ever seen it.

A couple of veterans

going at each other here.

Rose driving the

ball to right field.

It's a base field.

There it is!

He's on his way to second.

And Pete Rose takes

another big step

toward baseball immortality.

I was on single A.

During spring training,

they moved me up to some

of the double A games.

I was playing really well.

They call me in, and they say,

"Tommy, we have a situation.

"We don't have money

invested in you.

"If we had money in

you, we'd keep you.

"But unfortunately, this guy,

"we have $100,000

bonus money in.

We gotta keep him."

You know, Tommy

was a lot like me

when he was playing baseball.

He was small.

I grew, but he didn't grow.

And that probably hurt

him because he just

was never big enough

to be a big leaguer.

I started working out in

a gym called Gold's Gym.

I got around some of the

guys that were nice guys.

They were just

big, gorilla guys.

And they said to me,

you know, "Tommy,

"if you get on these

steroids, you would become

faster, stronger and bigger."

And I said, "Well, give

them to me, whatever it is."

There were some characters

at that Gold's Gym, man.

Man, that place should have

been raided 50 years ago.

And I guess they

all took steroids,

'cause they were all built

like brick shithouses.

I was taking the

needles every third day,

and I got lifting weights.

And I got stronger and stronger.

And I'm just gonna walk

into the ball field,

and they're gonna you know,

I'll be hitting the ball out

I mean, I'll be crushing

it, was my thinking.

But what I didn't realize

is that the steroids

was gonna take over my thinking.

It was gonna make me

temporarily insane.

- Did you see this happening?

- No.

- Living with you?

- No.

No.

Matter of fact, I never

went to Gold's Gym.

You never went to

No. No.

In the winter of '84,

I started going

to this Gold's Gym

and really working out

to get in great shape.

And it seems like these guys

were were there to help me.

And they knew all

about the machines.

They knew all about diets.

They knew all about repetitions,

how many to do and stuff.

And, you know, I befriended them

because they were nice to me.

Did you start working out

more because of your age?

No.

I worked out the same.

I never weightlifted

a day in my life,

and I played for 24 years.

You know, I wasn't

ever looking to retire.

It never crossed my mind that

I'm too old to play baseball

because I still had flashes.

You know what I mean?

I had flashes of good nights.

Now, up to this particular

point, the last few weeks,

you haven't been playing

because of a sore heel.

Well, my heel is

my heel is in good

shape right now, Rick.

Last Saturday night in LA,

I hurt my elbow right

here throwing a ball

to second on Terry Whitfield.

And I haven't played since then,

but I've been able

to still swing a bat,

so I'm still able to pinch hit.

And I've been taking a lot of

ground ba*ls at first base.

You know, I was

struggling in Montreal.

All of a sudden, I

get a call that

would you like to go back to

Cincinnati as player manager?

Duh.

So Pete, welcome back.

It's nice to have you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, Bob.

It's a pleasure to be back.

The Reds were desperate.

They had just been

bought by Marge Schott.

Their attendance was bad.

Their records were bad.

She understood that bringing

Pete Rose back to Cincinnati

would have some value,

that even if the team

wasn't very good, the

chase for Ty Cobb's record

would help sell some tickets.

Rose in the hand.

Standing ovation for Pete Rose.

Well, you know, Harry, he

wasn't gonna start tonight,

but Pete said he felt

he owed it to the fans.

They only expected 18,000 here.

They're gonna have 40,000

people here tonight.

One ball, one strike.

Way to the left, out

there in the big field.

The ball gets away

from the fielder.

Look at Pete run!

He's gonna wind

up at third base.

Well, Pete Rose

has come back home,

and he's come back triumphantly.

Pete Rose, now only 127

hits away from Ty Cobb.

OK.

OK.

No.

Now, "The Dowd Report"

obviously has a lot of people

saying that it started

around '84 or '85.

This would include

what Tommy has said,

because Tommy has said that

If that's what they say,

that's when it happened

because I don't remember.

I don't remember.

But there again, if

you've got a good horse,

and you're a jockey, and

you're a good jockey,

you might have a tendency

to bet on your own horse.

Between the outfielders,

Hayes and Wilson.

May go all the way to the wall.

It will!

And Pete Rose now

is only 74 hits away

from breaking Ty Cobb's

all-time hit record.

I remember him

managing one game,

and he comes up to me.

You know, he's like, "Hey,

let me know when

the Derby's on."

We're in the middle of a game.

He's the manager.

And right when I go up

the first set of steps,

I'm like, "Pete, race

is about to start."

Boom, we go, watch the

race in the lounge,

and he goes back.

Base hit to run.

We were betting quite large

on basketball and football.

I stayed on the steroids,

and my addiction grew

to where Pete's addiction

in gambling grew.

He rips this one.

Base hit, right field.

Ripped it right center.

This is gonna be in there.

Pete Rose has himself a double.

He is now 33 hits

shy of Cobb's record,

and the Reds lead

it 4 to nothing.

He was losing lots of

moneys in basketball

and stuff like that,

and he started betting baseball.

Change up inside the bat.

Pete was terrible at the

football and basketball,

unbelievable in baseball.

I mean, because he

understood the pitching.

He understood the game.

Rose lines one down the

left field line base hit.

And so the countdown now is 23.

I don't know too many

gamblers that are gonna

look you in the eye and says,

"I gambled, and

I was a winner."

Did Tommy ever say, "We

shouldn't be doing this"?

No.

He liked it too.

I'm just thinking, God, we're

we're winning all this

money from the bookies.

It's like we can't lose

betting on baseball.

Why don't we just

bet on baseball

and not bet on football

and basketball?

And there's a base hit.

He's now eight hits away

from equaling the mark,

and that has stirred

mounting Pete Rose fever.

For the first time in

the history of Wheaties,

there's a professional athlete

on the front of the box.

I just keep seeing him

in all the magazines,

and everybody's waiting

for him to hit the big hit.

So I guess I'm waiting too.

Oh, yeah.

Uh-oh.

Huh?

A standing-room-only crowd

in Cincinnati on its feet.

If you have a lump in your

throat, you're only human.

And it's 2 ba*ls,

1 strike on Rose.

Everybody on their

feet here in Cincinnati

and a worldwide

television audience

watching these moments tonight

here at Riverfront Stadium.

2-1 pitch from Show

to the left center.

There it is!

Rose has a good stop.

That's number 4,192!

Well, there is love

aplenty here in Cincinnati.

And Eric Show becomes a

spectator as this city

loves their native son.

The moment we've all waited

for, hit number 4,192

that makes Pete

Rose the all-time

Major League

Baseball hit leader.

It comes at 8:01 PM

Eastern Daylight Time,

September the 11th, 1985,

off the Padres' Eric Show.

When I broke the record, I

broke the record at 8:01.

The people clapped till 8:10.

I got a 9-minute

standing ovation

9-minute!

It was the only time

in my baseball career

that I didn't know what

to do on a baseball field.

It was fine for five,

six, seven minutes.

But then what happens to

you is you start thinking

about everybody responsible

for you being there

that are gone.

That's what brings

tears to your eyes.

And I think, Joe Morgan,

you would agree that

from somewhere above tonight,

Pete's dad has to

be looking down

with a big smile on

Cincinnati Riverfront Stadium

and his little son, Petey.

So finally, the ovation got up

to about six or seven minutes.

I just went up and I said,

maybe he needs a shoulder.

And that's what I did.

I went over there up

there to give you a shoulder.

And he kind of broke

down a little bit,

but I'm sure a lot of his

life went before his eyes

his son, his dad,

and all that stuff.

And he said, "What

am I gonna do?"

I said, "Nobody's

gonna do this."

That's about all I said.

So

I think that's

about the only time

anyone has ever seen him

in that emotional state.

Oh, I know.

I don't know if you've

seen him like that ever.

No. No.

My dad's a man's man.

You're hurt, rub

some dirt on it.

Let's go. Get moving.

No crying.

People don't get to

see that side of him.

I never have, either.

And I just remember thinking,

I'm not gonna run out there

because what am I gonna do?

Am I just gonna stand there?

And they basically

forced me out there.

And I went out there,

and, you know, he

just grabbed me,

told me he loved

me, and hugged me.

And I was like, whoa.

OK.

This is kind of cool.

His son Petey, Jr.

You know what I mean?

It's like, to be able

to experience that,

and to have, like, basically

your first father-son moment,

it's amazing.

And for all the people

around that are watching,

let's all drink a

toast to Pete Rose,

the most prolific base hitter

in all of baseball history.

We saw the greatest

moment in sports history.

I saw one of the greatest things

I've ever seen in my life

and probably ever will see.

I could have cried.

I saw it in his eyes

and the confidence he

2 and 1.

It was his pitch, and he got it.

I love it. I love it.

I think it's great.

I got goosebumps all over.

I'm already hoarse.

Thanks to that sharp

single tonight,

Cincinnati's 2nd Street will

pass into history tomorrow.

At a morning ceremony,

2nd Street will officially

become Pete Rose Way.

I started to think,

like, "Wow, this is bad."

We're in a racetrack

at Churchill Downs

me, Pete Rose, and

a major drug dealer.

His name was Don Stenger.

And they're off!

Pete said to Don, "Where do

you get this kind of money?"

He says, "In cocaine."

Another guy went to Gold's Gym,

one of Tommy's buddies.

They were nice guys.

They just ended up

being bad people.

I guess they can say

something about me.

I was a nice guy.

I ended up being a bad guy.

Baseball's Pete Rose

and Nobel Prize winner

Mother Teresa are

sharing the honors today.

They both made the

Millennium Society's

1985 10 most

inspiring people list.

No one will advertise

for a manager

for the next 50 years

for the Cincinnati Reds.

Pete goes, "Well,

how can Tommy and I

make money in this deal?"

And Don says, "Well,

listen, give me 100 grand.

I'll turn it into $200,000

in less than two weeks."

And Pete's all excited.

"You're kidding me. Really?"

And I'm steroided out

of my mind at that time.

And I'm looking at him

like, are you nuts?

He said, "Well, tell

me how this works."

He goes, "Well, my

cousin takes the money

"to Florida, Fort Lauderdale.

"I fly down, make

the drug transaction.

My cousin drives back."

He goes, "Well, your

cousin is out of a job."

And he goes,

"G-Ski," meaning me,

"Is doing the driving."

So I did that a couple times

and never got caught, nothing.

And at that point, I says,

"This is this is nuts."

Pete Rose walks on water.

He may be the only

manager in baseball

who the owner

wouldn't dare fire.

Could you do it?

Could you fire him?

Probably not.

By the time he finished

as a player in 1986,

Rose had 4,256 hits.

But the man who always had

his eyes on the next goal

had one he still wanted

to be a World Series manager.

I should have known better,

but I wasn't thinking clearly.

I became the all-American

kid, gets on steroids,

and I turned into

a complete monster.

And I didn't care about

nothing except looking good,

getting more steroids in me.

Couldn't be without 'em.

Was was violent,

fighting all the time,

was not caring about

people's feelings.

And I became a real jerk.

My girlfriend told me,

"You know, Tommy"

that, you know, Pete's a

very he's a terrible person.

"You've got to get off the

steroids," or she's gone.

We're breaking up.

So I got off the steroids.

It was a tough depression time.

I ended up leaving Cincinnati

and went to San Diego

and happened to have a friend

there that had a health club,

gave me a job as a manager

at one of his health clubs.

And I was living clean.

He went to jail for steroids.

What was it?

Yeah. OK.

I forgot about the drugs.

Yeah, that's that

Gold's Gym deal again.

But I had

I had, uh, nothing

to do with drugs.

I had nothing to do with drugs.

Tommy'd be first

to tell you that.

I'm out of the picture now,

and he started hanging

around with the drug dealers.

He started hanging

around with Paul Janszen,

who was a steroid dealer.

Probably dabbled in cocaine

sales and stuff like that.

But he was he had

the cash to lend Pete.

See, the reason I

transported cocaine

from Cincinnati from

Florida to Cincinnati

was to pay his gambling debts.

How Major League

Baseball got involved

is Paul Janszen called

Major League Baseball.

Pete owed him $50,000,

didn't want to pay him.

It sounds like he was saying

things to save his a*s.

Well, but I would never

I would never put money

up to try to buy drugs.

I have no idea.

You'd have to ask Tommy that.

I have no idea why

he would ever say

that I even thought

about a drug deal.

One day, I was coming

out of my condominium.

A beautiful blonde

walks up to me,

and she said, "Tommy Gioiosa?"

I said, "Hi," and she says,

"My name is Jamie,

and I'm with the FBI."

Since last March,

rumors and news stories

linking Pete Rose to

gambling have whizzed about

the Cincinnati manager's

head like so many fastballs.

Pete, is it is it

frustrating that you're not

being allowed to talk about

this current situation,

that you've been told

not to say anything?

Mm-hmm.

No comment.

Media people have been on

Rose's heels ever since

"Sports Illustrated"

released a report in which

two Cincinnati-area men

claimed they made bets

on baseball games

for the Reds' skipper.

We discovered early

on, as I recall,

that there had been a prior

investigation of Rose.

And it was very troubling.

And it was the same allegation,

that Pete had bad

men in baseball.

This is great because

this this gives my players

the same kind of atmosphere

they're gonna enjoy

in October this year.

I soon came to learn, you know,

we had some organized

crime in the case

'cause Pete owed enormous

sums to the mob in New York.

With a flood of damning

new evidence against Rose

flowing daily from

baseball's eight volume

investigative report,

Rose fans and foes are

buying up copies at $230 each.

The boys had a hook into Pete.

You know, organized

crime has an interest

in the outcome of the games

of the Cincinnati Reds.

Essentially, they

own the manager.

They've got a mortgage

on the manager.

I'm going to say

this one more time.

I don't owe anybody a dime.

New York, New

England, New Mexico.

A dime. Nothing.

Not at all.

No, I wasn't gonna start

messing with organized crime.

No.

Then you're looking to

get your head chopped off.

Rose lawyers today

accused baseball

of trying to bolster

the credibility

of his accusers, two of

them convicted felons.

Former bodybuilder

Paul Janszen, they say,

was trying to blackmail the

Cincinnati Reds manager.

Janszen claims he phoned in

most of Rose's bets and says

Rose owed him $40,000.

And former bookmaker and

convicted drug dealer

Ron Peters,

in hopes of getting

a lighter sentence,

Rose lawyers say,

told investigators

Rose bet regularly

on Reds games.

He always bet the same amount.

He always bet on his team.

He never bet against his team.

"The Dowd Report" was

probably less interesting

than I hoped it would be

because it was such

an open-and-shut case.

You know, what a surprise

that Pete Rose spent years

consorting with people

who were unsavory,

and then those

people turned on him.

A big chunk of the report

72 pages' worth

is a chronology

of bets allegedly made by Rose

during the first three months

of the 1987 baseball season.

Rose's phone bills show

repeated calls from his house

to sports score

services, to ballparks,

and to people baseball

says made bets for Pete.

If there was an aha

moment, the Reds kept logs

of all incoming and

outgoing phone traffic.

Just before game

time, you could see

Pete call a particular number.

We established a pattern.

Home, the park,

on the road,

night or day, home or away.

You can see the call go

out to the middle man

for the bookmaker,

bookmaker to the middle

man, back to Rose.

"The Dowd Report" comes out.

It's pretty damning.

It is.

And I'm sure you probably

took a look at it.

I got a copy of it today.

Yeah, so and in

that time period,

you're sitting there

reading "The Dowd Report,"

did you have the

conversation with him about

whether or not he was

telling the truth?

I didn't have the guts to.

I didn't want to know.

Did I think that it was true?

Yes, I did.

I didn't want to be lied to.

After six months of denials

by him, delving by baseball,

and delays through the courts,

Pete Rose was banished

from the game for life.

When I signed that agreement,

I thought that he would give me

an opportunity in a year, OK?

A year suspension

seemed to be not bad.

The matter of Mr. Rose

is now closed.

It will be debated

and discussed.

Let no one think that it

did not hurt baseball.

That hurt will pass, however,

as the great glory of

the game asserts itself

and the resilient

institution goes forward.

Let it also be clear that

no individual is

superior to the game.

Have you now concluded

But one of the worst things

that ever happened to me

is Bart dying eight days

after he suspend me.

The commissioner

was looking forward

to a weekend of

relaxation with his family

on the resort island

of Martha's Vineyard,

but he suffered the

fatal heart attack

and died five months to the day

after becoming commissioner.

He was found

unconscious at his home

and never regained

consciousness.

Just eight days after

suspending Pete Rose for life,

Giamatti is dead

at the age of 51.

Bart Giamatti was a

close friend of mine

for many, many years.

I I do want to

pay my respects.

He was a great person.

He loved loved

the game of baseball.

When I heard Giamatti had

died of a heart attack

just eight days after rendering

his decision on Pete Rose,

my initial thought,

for right or wrong,

was that Pete Rose

had k*lled Giamatti.

God bless him, he died

because he couldn't

handle the pressure

of the Pete Rose case.

You know, but no one ever

said anything about Bart

smoking five packs

of cigarettes a day

and being 65 pounds overweight.

That was never part

of the equation.

It was always me.

I don't think I had

anything to do with

Bart Giamatti having

a heart attack.

Hey, he's the one that

started the investigation.

More questions about

Pete Rose this morning.

Already banned from baseball

for allegedly betting on games,

Rose is still

under investigation

by a grand jury in Cincinnati

checking whether Rose paid

all his taxes on winnings

from bets at racetracks

and on other income.

Friday, Pete Rose hustled

away from reporters outside

a federal courthouse,

where the all-time

hitting champ became

an admitted felon.

His arraignment completed

a plea bargain deal

that could land Rose

in jail for six years

for filing false federal

income tax returns

in 1985 and '87.

The FBI wanted me to cooperate.

Major League

Baseball contacted me

several times against Pete Rose,

and I wouldn't

cooperate with them.

A couple weeks go by.

Pete Rose is coming to Boston

to do a memorabilia signing.

So I met him there,

and I sat with him

and said, "Pete, I've

been under indictment.

"This is what Major League

Baseball wants me to do,

and this is what the

FBI wants me to do."

And he says, "Well,

what are you gonna do?"

And I said, "Pete,

I'd never tell on you.

"I'll take the fall.

"Let me tell them that I'm

the guy that made the bets.

"I got this problem,

and I'm the bad guy.

"I'll go to prison.

When I get out, just help me."

Do you know if he's ever

wagered on baseball?

No, Pete Rose ain't

never bet on baseball.

I mean, I wouldn't know why

he would bet on baseball.

On his darkest day

since gambling away

his baseball career, Pete

Rose plowed through the crowds

to a Cincinnati courtroom today,

where he was sentenced to five

months in a federal prison

for cheating on

his income taxes.

Don't let these vultures

get to you, Pete!

They sent me to USP Marion.

However, I was at

the camp next to it.

No bars.

Every day, 8:00, you go

over to the main prison.

I worked in the

welding department.

Carlos Lehder was

at the main prison.

John Gotti was at

the main prison.

I was like a a celebrity.

Well, not every

sign of Pete Rose

will disappear from Cincinnati.

The city council

decided the street

in front of Riverfront Stadium

should remain Pete Rose Way.

There was 234 guys

there, where I was.

We had one TV,

and we all watched the

World Series, 1990.

Ladies and gentlemen,

good evening,

and welcome to

Riverfront Stadium

for game one of the

1990 World Series

between the Oakland Athletics

and the Cincinnati Reds.

That was my team.

Introducing Reds

manager Lou Piniella.

It was a year after he had

been banned from the game.

I mean, Shakespeare

would have had

a field day with this story.

It would have been sensational,

had he been managing that club.

But it just didn't

turn out that way.

And a high fly ball to right

will put Cincinnati on top.

The runner tags.

They could never throw him out.

The throw goes into second base,

and it's 2 to 1 Cincinnati.

The fact that you're not

around those guys anymore,

you're not allowed

to be around them,

that's what's emotional.

Popped up and a short

right foul ball.

Benzinger wants it.

Cincinnati, the champions

of baseball for 1990,

with an improbable

sweep over Oakland.

And are you gullible

enough to think that

I'm the only player in

the history of baseball

that bet on baseball?

I see I see players

that are playing today

out here in Vegas all

the time, in the casinos.

I don't know what they're doing.

I don't care what they're doing.

But they're in the casinos

where all the where

all the action is.

The punishment don't fit

the crime, in my case.

- So you go to prison.

- Yeah.

What was the daily routine like?

That's one place

USP Marion, when I was there,

I used to get searched

six times a day

three going in,

three going out

and one time a

day, strip search.

And it was cold,

dropping your pants

and letting 'em

look up your a*s.

I don't know what they thought

I was gonna swindle in.

A baseball wouldn't fit.