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01x04 - One Last record

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Charlie Hustle & the Matter of Pete Rose". Aired: July 24, 2024.*
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Chronicling baseball legend Pete Rose's career, rise to fame, scandals and bid for reinstatement, with archival footage and interviews exploring his contradictory persona as both a tenacious hustler and a fallen icon tainted by gambling.

01x04 - One Last record

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This was taken in Montreal.

Was it?

During the all-star game, yeah.

Thank you.

Have a great day.

You too.

I saw you once in Vegas.

You should be in

the Hall of Fame.

That's a good sign there.

Yeah, it's steady.

Hey, buddy.

Thanks a lot.

Meeting one of the

all-time greatest, Gino.

Do you play ball?

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Can you hit?

No.

There you go, buddy.

And when you get ready to hit,

tuck that g*dd*mn hair

underneath the hat

so you'll be able to see

the f*cking ball, OK?

That's good. Thank you, Pete.

Thank you.

Let me see it.

Do you believe this?

Look at this.

What does it say?

That's Miracle League.

Isn't that supposed to be you?

Oh

Mr. Baseball.

Hank Aaron told me he struck

out three times in one game,

and he went home, and

he couldn't sleep.

I struck out five times.

- You struck out five

- Five times in a game.

In one game?

Yeah, yeah.

I'm so happy to hear that.

I struck out five

times once a month.

That broke my heart,

the stuff that

Yeah, I got

they're talking to me again.

Yeah, yeah.

We'll see what happens.

They're gonna need somebody

the next couple of years.

I know.

They don't have no big names.

You don't need to go in

because you're a big name.

You need to go in

because you belong.

Yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen,

the greatest player

in the history of

baseball, Pete Rose.

Batting first and

playing left field,

number 14, Pete Rose.

One of the game's

greatest players

has engaged in a variety of acts

which have stained the game.

That's what I

think of Pete Rose!

Mr. Rose has accepted

baseball's ultimate sanction,

which is lifetime ineligibility.

Everything in this

business is one more time.

It's fake.

Let me get his

camera ready here.

One time, we did 140

of these, one month.

You know, obviously, you get

more of these around Christmas

or Thanksgiving

you know, holidays.

Like this.

Everybody sends in birthday.

Hey, Jerry! This is Pete Rose.

I want to wish you happy

birthday number 75,

you old fart!

My God!

OK.

Here we go.

Hello, Melanie.

Pete Rose here, and it's

a pleasure to talk to you.

I'm honored to be a

role model for you

since you were in middle school.

Wow!

You're now 47 years old

and a living kidney donor

and donated your

kidney to a nurse

you worked with who

suffered from stage

jeez, that's a

this is a bad one.

Oh!

Air. Broken foot.

Sorry.

Hey there, Chad!

Pete Rose here wishing

you a happy 50th birthday.

The only thing you love more

than betting on baseball

is betting on the horses.

Man, them horses, they

what am I gonna say about that?

Oh, boy.

OK.

I do four or six videos a day.

People pay to get

videos for birthdays,

for anniversaries, for

Easter, for Father's Day.

Hey, Rob.

Happy 52nd birthday, brother.

Baseball wouldn't give me no

opportunity to make a living.

I had to make a living.

I used to do $20,000 a

day just in autographs.

That's $3.6 million a year.

Not in the casinos, OK?

Let's get that straight.

OK? I'd do I'd do the malls.

What happens to people

that come to Vegas?

One, they want to have fun.

Two, they want to

see a celebrity.

And three, they

usually got money.

And that's right up my alley.

Yes, Charlie Hustle.

Pete Rose should be in the

Hall of Fame, but he's not.

I signed autographs

five hours a day,

15 days a month.

Awesome.

Thank you, sir.

I couldn't do this in New York.

I couldn't do this in Atlanta.

But you could do it in Vegas.

That's why I moved to Las Vegas.

See you, buddy.

Great, great, great.

You know, I've been

asked for an autograph

when I'm at the airport in

the restroom using the john.

Hey, can I have an autograph?

Let's see.

Happy 75th birthday to

John from the family.

He's a hustler in every

sense of the word

you know, good,

bad, and otherwise.

And that's what he's

spent 60 years doing.

Thanks a lot, Pete.

Thank you.

Hey, Pete.

I got three ba*ls.

Everybody in town

is looking for you.

You got three ba*ls.

He's almost like an

uncouth member of society.

But Rose was able to

keep people on his side,

because he had public support.

I'm on fire today.

That's all it

- You're ready, boy.

- Oh, boy.

You're waiting for Perez?

And his supporters would say

it's that kind of mentality

that made him great

in the first place,

but it also has destroyed him.

So

You can't, because there's

too many guys that already,

in their craw,

made up their mind.

I thought I was getting

suspended for a year.

Well, how many years is it?

30-some years?

That's a long time to

swallow crow, isn't it?

Pete Rose, who collected more

hits than any other player

in Major League

Baseball history,

walked out of prison

today in Marion, Illinois,

after serving five months for

cheating on his income tax.

Pete, how are you doing?

Great!

The all-time hits leader

must now go to bat

for youngsters in Cincinnati,

performing 1,000 hours

of community service

as a phys ed teacher

for disadvantaged

schoolchildren.

I thought this

country was a country

of giving second chances.

What happened to me?

What happened to me?

How you doing?

Good.

How you doing?

Have you been told what your

responsibilities will be yet?

Yeah.

What are you gonna

be doing on weekends?

Are you gonna have

some free time?

Free time?

Will they allow you to get out?

Well, I can get out if

I have business reasons.

Can you go out of town?

Yes, sir.

Can you go out of state as well?

As long as it's

business reasons.

As long as it's business?

Yeah.

I got drafted by the

Orioles in the 12th round.

I signed.

I ended up going to

instructional league,

and then that's when

that's when it all went down.

And it was rough.

To give you an idea of my first

professional game in Durham,

people were waving

dollar bills at me.

OK.

Presenting number 14, Pete Rose.

I had to take it,

because that was my job,

and that was, you

know, whatever.

But I just remember

just caring about him.

Hey, are you OK?

Because when you take

baseball away from him,

I mean, God.

Do you think this

will be a fun job?

A fun job?

Didn't you have fun

when you went to school?

How you doing?

How you doing, Pete?

I remember he got

out, and he's like,

"Hey, I'm at the halfway house.

"Let's go get some Big

Macs, and let's go up

to the Western

Hills Sports Mall."

And you know, we hadn't

had Big Macs in a while.

So we sit down.

You know, you're you're

you're me, and I'm him.

And he looks up, and he

goes, what's back there?

Dad, come on, man.

Eat the Big Mac.

You know what's back there.

No, no, seriously,

what's back there?

So he gets up.

He walks to the back.

And it's the batting

cages, right?

So, of course, you know,

people were looking,

and they're like,

hey, man, there's

you know, there's that guy.

There's Pete Rose.

He's right there.

So now you got

people walking back.

And I'm like, here we go.

This ain't gonna work.

And he gets in the

one that's fastball,

80 miles an hour, what 85.

Drops down, and the

ball spits out like

He hits a line

drive first pitch,

line drive off the machine.

He turns around and

looks at everybody

and says, "You know what?

Some things never

f*cking change, do they?"

And walks right out of the cage.

That was the hit

Pete Rose thought

would ensure him a place

with baseball's immortals.

That's number 4,192.

Now his chances to join that

select group in Cooperstown

may have been dealt

a mortal blow.

The Hall of Fame

Committee has decided

to review the rules

for inducting players

into the baseball shrine.

That has set off a

bench-clearing brawl

with sportswriters, who have

voted in the Hall's members

for the past 55 years.

Suddenly, they've decided

to review the rules

one year before

Pete Rose becomes

eligible for the Hall of Fame.

Now, I mean, you don't

have to be too bright

to figure out what

it's all about.

Great, great.

All: Go, Yankees!

We love you, Reggie!

Cooperstown is this

beautiful, idyllic village

that, as you drive in,

you get the feeling

that you're entering a

Norman Rockwell painting.

And right there in the

middle of Main Street

sits the National Baseball

Hall of Fame and Museum.

I started in

Cooperstown in 1994,

so five years after

Pete was banned,

and three years after

the Hall of Fame board

chose to change the

rules for election.

The Hall of Fame's directors

voted the former Cincinnati

Reds player-manager turned

felon cannot be considered

for the Hall of Fame.

The directors felt that it

would be incongruous to have

a person who had been

declared ineligible

by baseball to be eligible

for baseball's highest honor.

Pete, how'd you like

teaching the kids?

What was that?

How'd you like teaching

the kids, Pete?

Oh, I'm still gonna

teach the kids.

When that rule came into play,

that effectively

eliminated Pete from being

considered in a formal way.

So the Hall of Fame

kind of just said,

"Well, it's not up to us.

It's up to Major

League Baseball."

Major League Baseball is where

the buck stopped on that.

The Pete Rose debate,

it's evergreen.

You can always debate Pete Rose.

And there's always so

much to debate about.

He's a draw.

He's still a draw.

After being banned from

baseball for gambling,

after being imprisoned

for tax evasion

- Good to see you, sir.

- How are you doing?

Good.

Rose is now starting over.

Rose was always

in the background,

kind of lurking as a subject,

because he's one of

the players in baseball

that drives interest as

if he was a real player.

There you go, pal.

Despite all that's gone wrong,

Rose remains a big

draw, appearing

at shows all over the

country, like this one

in Atlanta last month

appearances that can earn

him several thousand dollars.

He's more famous for not

being in the Hall of Fame

than if he were in

the Hall of Fame.

He's monetized it better.

Our guest is Pete Rose.

He's our guest

for the full hour.

We'll be including

your phone calls.

Pete, where do we stand today?

You're doing your radio show

successful, over 200 stations.

You've got a very

thriving restaurant,

a wonderful new family,

a happy marriage.

All I have to do is make it

very, very, very difficult

for whoever's in

charge to turn me down

when I apply for reinstatement.

I did.

I played Ty Cobb, yeah.

You don't know how to

deal with those SOBs

in the front office.

I can be a player-manager

as good as you can

any day of the week.

I did that in Cleveland

in a hotel room.

Yeah, I had my

hair slicked back.

I'd have been a good

guy in the '20s.

I'd have been a Romeo.

I don't know about the

'30s, but the '20s?

Yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen,

baseball's all-time hit leader,

Pete Rose.

Recently, the

commissioner's office

investigated Rose's appearance

at a Minor League park

in Reading, Pennsylvania,

where he paid tribute

to a former teammate,

Mike Schmidt.

Pete Rose does not go quiet

into this still night.

Right? I mean, Pete

Rose is around.

He's ever present.

With those sweaters,

you gotta

are you gonna market

those sweaters?

Well, we got a lot

of things going.

I think

This looks like a

Pete Rose sweater.

That's a great thing

too, all right,

because corporate

America, I think they're

letting me back on their team.

We got a

- Oh, are they?

Yeah, we got a line

of dips and salsas

that come out of

the Ballpark Café

that's out in most of

the stores in Florida.

And we got an

unbelievable frozen pizza.

It's gonna be called

Pete Rose's Ballpark

He would bring himself

into the story sometimes.

And other times,

you could just say,

I think it's time that

we did a story on,

should Pete Rose be

in the Hall of Fame?

Pete Rose is talked

about every single year,

every single year

at Cooperstown.

Tell me another Hall of

Famer we speak about as often

as we speak about Pete Rose.

If Pete Rose don't belong

in the Hall of Fame,

they ought to close it.

I personally think, yes,

Pete Rose should be

in the Hall of Fame.

Pete Rose, Hall of Fame?

I think he should be put in.

Pete Rose showed he's more

than just a pretty face

as the disgraced

baseball legend received

a standing ovation

at the introduction

of baseball's All-Century

team last night in Atlanta.

Rose's cheer before a

sell-out World Series crowd

was 55 seconds,

15 seconds longer

than Hank Aaron's.

Rose was able to

keep public support

when he was banned

from the game.

Have you thought about

what you would say

at the Hall of Fame?

No, no, no, not at all,

because that would

be a teary-eyed

you know, it would be

a a real soap opera.

I hesitate to use this analogy,

but there's a there's

a Trumpian aspect of him.

I think that you could probably

sell seats at Yellowstone

Park for that induction.

What do you think?

I think there'd be

a few people there.

How are the Cincinnati

Reds players and fans

reacting to Rose's exile?

We all love Pete

Rose, no matter what.

I sure miss him, though.

Free Mr. Baseball!

Give Pete Rose a second chance!

What always happens

in this country is,

if you go after

a popular figure,

people will rally

to their defense,

because people want to

believe that their heroes

are telling them the truth.

When he looks you in

the eye and tells you,

"I did not bet on baseball,"

I believe Pete Rose.

I refuse to believe he

would ever bet on baseball.

And I'll refuse it

until I finally hear him

say it with his own words.

And I think he would if he did.

I don't know.

You know what's weird is

I haven't spoken to Pete,

except just about a year

ago, he called my cell phone.

And I spoke with him

for the first time.

I haven't met him.

I told him I'd be in Las Vegas.

I know he's out there.

I'd love to meet with him.

And he was talking like

everything was great.

And I'm thinking, wow, like,

is he that in such denial?

You know, I'm thinking,

jeez, you know,

I think you owe me

a "thank you" here.

Pete Rose has

repeatedly denied

Major League Baseball, in fact,

has never officially said

that he did bet on baseball.

But you insist he did.

Well, Pete, you know,

he bet on baseball,

only, I think, not

realizing the consequences

of doing something like that.

I think he did it out

of out of boredom,

and something he knew.

And he and he had

fun at that time.

It was a lot of fun.

You feel betrayed by Pete Rose,

the fact that he never

acknowledged your loyalty.

Correct.

I mean, all he had to

do was say thank you,

and I would have taken

this to my grave.

And I just feel that

enough is enough.

And I just want to let the

people know that this

You know, I'm not

mad at Pete Rose.

But I think in deep inside,

he's he's miserable.

And he knows that, deep down,

that when you're not telling

the truth, it's tough.

What made you say to yourself,

I gotta go talk to

the commissioner?

What what changed

in your life?

Um

I just had to take

responsibility for what I did.

You're now saying for

the first time publicly,

"Yes, I bet on baseball."

I bet on baseball

in 1987 and 1988.

Did you bet on your own team?

Yes.

For 14 years, Rose

adamantly denied

allegations that

he bet on baseball.

However, in a new book called

"My Prison Without Bars,"

he finally admits that

he bet on the game,

thus setting in

motion a process that

may win him

reinstatement to baseball

and election to

the Hall of Fame.

Your public story changed.

You wrote the book.

But prior to writing the book,

you met with Bud Selig, right?

Yeah, that book went out

over a year after that

that situation happened.

The whole thing was screwed up.

The whole the whole

scenario was screwed up.

I didn't use the book to tell

people I bet on baseball,

because in my life, I

always felt the only guy

I had to tell was the

guy running the show.

But Bud Selig didn't say to you,

you should hold a

press conference

or let the world know?

No, not at all.

If you noticed, yesterday,

when all this broke on Monday,

strangely silent in

Milwaukee nothing.

And I think all along, Bud

is the kind of commissioner

who wants to do what he

thinks is the popular thing.

Now I think he wants to

see how this plays out.

In other words, put

the book out there.

Let the American

people judge whether

Pete Rose is sincere or not.

This could blow up on him.

This could backfire.

Even people who have supported

Pete Rose are gonna realize,

he's lied to me for 14 years.

In 2004, the Baseball

Writers elected

Dennis Eckersley

and Paul Molitor

to the Hall of Fame.

Wouldn't you know,

the exact same day

that we're introducing

these brand new Hall

of Famers to the world

is the day that Pete

decides to release his book

and admit that he

gambled on baseball.

True to Pete, he

wasn't gonna admit it

until he had a book to sell,

until he had an angle

that he could profit from.

Just a train wreck.

Just, like, an absolute

disaster at every turn.

You know, I'm wrong

about this, I know.

And people will have

things to say about it.

But if you want

to know the truth,

I think I think a manager

should bet on his

team every night.

It never altered the way

I tried to run the game.

Did you ever bet

against your own team?

Oh, no, no, no.

Well, first of all,

are we supposed to just

take you at your word,

serial gambler Pete Rose?

You know, he says,

"I bet on my team to

win every single day."

The Dowd Report says he

bet on the Reds 52 times.

So what about the times

you didn't bet on the Reds?

What is gambling community

to take away from that?

On the 10th of June,

Rose and company

were tied for first place.

And now they've

lost 13 out of 19.

They're 5 1/2 back.

They are obviously

hurting in many areas.

Here's Cal

And secondly, you've

gotta understand

the way in which

today's decision

affects tomorrow's game.

Say he had used his

best relief pitcher

three days in a row and

really wanted him to give

give him a day off

on that fourth day.

But he has money on the game.

That will do it for

young Jack Armstrong.

You're telling me there's

no temptation then

to put that pitcher in the

game to preserve that win?

It don't matter.

I'm still trying

to win the game.

I'm making the decisions.

My decisions aren't based

on betting on the game.

My decisions that

I make as a manager

are based on trying to

win the fricking game.

He's never wrong.

He's never gonna apologize.

He's never gonna back down.

It's always somebody

else's fault.

He is the hero of his

own mind, for sure.

Yeah!

Whoo!

It hurts, but at the

same time, he's

I love seeing him.

It brings a smile to my face.

Dougie!

I love seeing my dad with him.

How's it looking, man?

Take care now, man.

Where you going?

We gotta go to the parade.

Love you, buddy.

It's sad at the same

time, because

he was a major part

of my life growing up.

Lining up for the parade.

Watch your step, Pete.

That's the part where,

you know, still,

you ask me about Pete,

I'm gonna tell you

it's gonna be a biased answer,

because I've known

Pete since I was born.

Hey, Pete. How you doing?

Good. How you doing?

Good, Pete.

He could have handled

the entire reinstatement

to the Hall of Fame differently,

but I don't know if Pete

wants to see it that way.

I I don't know

if he's capable

of seeing it that way, you know?

I mean, I don't

I don't know how

Pete really feels.

I never sat down with Pete

and had a man-to-man with him,

because you would

probably understand

what I mean by that.

He's not the kind

of guy that can sit

and talk man-to-man with me.

He's a strange guy.

He's a strange guy.

But in my case,

related to baseball

and his effect on me,

what he did for

me was invaluable.

So I'm I'll be forever

indebted to Pete for that.

We all have people to thank

for helping us get here,

two who are already in

Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan

and one who is being

inducted today, Tony Perez.

Very vital parts of

the Big Red Machine.

And those from that team

who should be in

the Hall and aren't.

There have been so many people

who've wanted to help him,

who've wanted to

be there for him.

You don't give up on your

teams when they're losing,

and you don't give up

on your favorite players

when they're losing as well.

And yes, by God,

Peter Edward Rose.

- Joe Morgan?

- Yep.

I love Joe.

Um, well, Joe always had a

voice at the Hall of Fame,

but he couldn't

he couldn't convince

the other guys in the committee.

"The New York Daily

News" reports that

Commissioner Bud Selig may

reconsider that lifetime ban

on all-time hits

leader Pete Rose.

There is increasing pressure

that we saw this week

that suggests that

a lot of the people

who influence Bud

Selig will be trying

to convince him that

the time has come.

Joe Morgan, who is vice

chairman of the Hall of Fame,

talked to Rose for an hour.

So something's going

on, as much as baseball

is insisting that nothing

is officially changed

Joe is not just one

of the Hall of Famers.

Joe is a guy that

the Hall of Fame

kind of leaned on to help

them with big issues.

Joe tried to lobby

with the Hall of Famers

themselves to get Pete

Rose in the Hall of Fame,

where he should be.

We talk about conditions

for reinstatement.

What would those

be for Pete Rose?

Well, obviously, it's

really at the control

of Commissioner Bud Selig.

I mean, Pete Rose,

the Writers definitely

would not vote him

into the Hall of Fame.

If he reinstates Pete Rose

and makes him

eligible for a vote,

the veterans committee

then picks that up,

and they'll decide.

Guys who are already

in the Hall of Fame,

they will decide whether or not

he's going into the

Hall of Fame someday.

But clearly, that's

what it comes down to.

It's really all

in the hands of

The Baseball Writers only look

at recently retired players.

After 10 years, you get looked

at by a veterans committee.

Committee voting

is very different

than the Baseball Writers.

It's a much smaller group.

It's usually an electorate

of 16 individuals

who are made up

of Hall of Famers,

executives, and historians.

Hank Aaron's come out.

Now Mike Schmidt's come out.

Joe Morgan's come out.

There are some that are

at least powerful names

in the sport that

are saying maybe

we should at least

take a look at this.

And Bud Selig does

listen to people.

And he really listens

Joe always felt like

nobody more than

those Hall of Famers

wanted Pete to go ahead

and admit what he did,

and to to show

that he had remorse,

and to apologize to them,

and then welcome him

in with open arms.

But at the same

time, Joe knew well

and often talked about how

Pete was his own worst enemy.

You view yourself then,

now, as an honest man?

Oh, I've always been honest.

As a matter of fact,

I've been too honest.

You know, Pete

was very stubborn.

So that never happened.

And I think it hurt

Joe to see Pete Rose

left out of a place

where he should be.

Joe did everything in his power

to try and put Pete in a

position with Bud Selig.

But more often than not,

something would happen.

Pete would say something,

or something would occur,

and Joe's efforts

would go for naught.

Whether anything good would

have come out of that or not,

nobody knows.

But Joe worked his a*s off

to try and make that happen,

and it never did.

I used to tell Pete I said,

"You'll never have a better

friend in your lifetime

than you have from

that guy right there."

Sports fans around

the world are mourning

the loss of one of the

best to ever play the game.

Of course, we're talking

about Joe Morgan here.

He died yesterday afternoon

at his home in

Danville, California.

I talked to Joe Morgan

the last five years

more than any player in

the history of baseball.

And all of a sudden,

for a couple weeks,

he never called me.

Then all of a sudden,

8:00 in the morning,

I get a call from his wife

that told me he passed away.

They did?

I don't think so,

'cause I wasn't invited.

I I don't believe that.

I don't think any

teammate of Joe Morgan

would get a get a

get-together with Joe Morgan

and not invite me.

I was Joe's best friend.

God rest his soul.

They had Joe Morgan

Day on August the 8th,

8/8/2021.

And Joe's wife, Theresa,

who's from Cincinnati,

put together a dinner

and made that the

memorial dinner

the night before Joe Morgan Day

at the Great American Ballpark.

Pete Rose, forward motion.

Take care, man.

But Pete Rose was not there.

And they all expected

that he would be,

but he never showed,

and nobody ever heard

anything from him.

So then the next

day at the ballpark,

that was Joe Morgan Day.

It's not just here

at the ballpark

throughout Cincinnati,

Joe Morgan Day.

Johnny Bench was there.

Marty Brennaman, the voice

of the Reds, Bob Costas

you know, the kind of a group

that you would have expected.

And they had first

ball ceremonies

with all of Joe's kids

and his wife, Theresa,

and no Pete Rose.

And nobody had heard from Pete.

So then about the

seventh inning,

there was an announcement

between innings.

"Ladies and

gentlemen, Pete Rose."

You guys were so close as

as teammates and beyond.

Will you ever get

over losing Joe?

No.

He he was so young

and so energetic.

I used to do shows

with him all the time.

He was over in some other

private suite or whatever,

and everybody kind of

looked at Theresa, and

and and, you know, I

she didn't say

anything about it.

She didn't make an

issue out of it.

But you could see that

there was disappointment

like, well, he was one of Joe's

best friends in the world.

I think that was

sort of a puzzle,

and maybe part of the

enigma of Pete Rose.

I don't know.

But it was just something

that, you know, kind of

sort of stood out on

on that day, of all days.

Super Bowl Sunday in

Las Vegas, Nevada.

- No.

- No?

You know, there's probably

one of ten parties

I could go to.

But most people

don't go to a party

to watch the f*cking Super Bowl.

They go to get drunk.

Yeah.

And I don't need to

be around 100 drunks,

wanting to ask me questions

about this or that,

when I got a bet on the game.

Pete is sick.

He is an addict.

I know a little bit

about addiction,

because I'm alcoholic,

in recovery.

When given all the

reasons in the world

not to do something,

they still do it.

Is that a weakness in character?

Is that hubri what is that?

It's a disease.

When all this came

down and the FBI came

and all that stuff, I shared

the same thing with them,

that Pete Rose got addicted,

the disease of gambling.

He would bet on anything.

Now that he looks back,

he's probably thinking,

"Oh, my God, what

was I thinking?"

You know, but at the time,

that addiction took over,

and it was out of it

was like a heroin addict.

Yeah, because they

thought that

you know, that was one

of the weirdest things

I've ever been through,

Gambling Anonymous.

I'm listening to everybody give

their speech about gambling,

and not one guy made

any sense to me.

And these guys were stealing

money from their grandma

to gamble, and

stealing from this guy

or stealing from that guy.

I didn't do any of that stuff.

I did it partially

to try to convince

the judge to give me a break.

But I didn't get no break.

You know, I don't think

he's gonna change.

But maybe we can change.

You know, maybe we,

meaning the general public

that that look at Pete,

you know, negatively.

Maybe the Baseball Writers

can look at it differently.

Even if Pete himself can't

look at that and admit that,

maybe we can do that

for him, you know?

Maybe we can have some,

you know, sympathy

for him and his condition.

He's 81 now.

He could be someone that

we talk about in baseball

long after he's gone,

because his sins

are subject to revision

in the public eye.

Any time someone

does something wrong,

he'll be front and center

in the conversation

about, how should

this be handled?

And there it goes!

Can you say 66?

Oh!

Into the crowd, number 70!

A floater to Bonds,

and he hits it high.

He hits it deep.

Number 73!

Guys who clearly use steroids

some of them admitted

steroid guys

they may not be in the Hall,

but they're on the ballot.

Put Pete on the ballot.

Restart the clock, because

he was never on it,

and and see what

happens from there.

It could be any scandal

that touches baseball

or any other sport, and

Pete Rose will serve

as an example for how

it should be handled

or how it shouldn't be handled.

That might be his legacy,

just as much as 4,256 hits.

Here's a ground

ball, right side.

Could do it.

The Houston Astros

are world champions

for the first time

in franchise history!

Shockwaves are rippling

through Major League Baseball.

The league hit the Houston

Astros with harsh penalties

today for illegally using

technology to gain an edge.

They were using the center

field camera to decode signs,

and then they were taking

a bat and banging it

on a trash can.

No bang on the

trash can, fastball.

Bang on the trash can, some

sort of off-speed pitch.

Were you surprised?

I was surprised.

They didn't steal

signs back in your day?

They did.

They didn't steal them that way.

Where does this one

rank in your mind?

Number one! Number one!

So this is this is

worse than Pete Rose.

This is worse than anything

I've ever seen in the NBA,

in the NHL, in the

National Football League

I've had to write

about this, you know,

because there's always

this rush to compare

whatever the scandal of

the day is to Pete Rose.

And Pete Rose is almost like

the first one to tell you,

"Well, what I did

isn't as bad as this."

Pete Rose is applying,

again, for reinstatement.

What is the gist of

his argument this time?

He says his penalty,

30 1/2 years banned

from baseball,

is far more severe than

any of the penalties

that Major League

Baseball has handed down

in the steroids era.

And certainly, in the

last Houston Astros

sign-stealing scandal,

not a single player,

as you pointed

out, was suspended

a single game or fined.

The only slight difference

is that sign stealing

was an outgrowth of a practice

that has existed in

baseball for 150 years.

There's no murkiness to Rule 21

that Pete Rose violated.

No one in baseball, from

the commissioner on down,

has ever softened their stance

on letting an individual player,

manager, coach, executive

bet on the sport.

I think the problem that

baseball has going forward

is that the next generations

of players that are coming up

aren't gonna see the difference.

In a 6-to-3 vote, the

nation's highest court

struck down a 1992 ruling

that banned sports

gambling in many states.

The Hard Rock Casino

opened up today officially,

and the legend smashed

a guitar there.

Talking about Pete Rose.

Placed the first bet as well

to celebrate the reopening

Cincinnati Reds to

win the World Series!

I wonder if the

Commissioner of Baseball

is gonna be watching.

I hope not.

He'll put that in

my my minus column.

There he

is, gambling again.

- No, you're the VIP today.

We've got a

you've got a pass.

It's projected to be

a $129 billion industry by 2028.

Betting has become

increasingly intertwined

with the games themselves.

Leagues that once

insisted betting

would compromise the

integrity of their sports

have adopted a new position.

Sports gaming can be

an important source

of fan engagement.

We operate in a really

competitive environment,

and we have to take advantage

of every opportunity

to drive engagement by our fans.

How are you doing?

Thanks for all the great years.

Have a good night, Mr. Rose.

Hello, gentlemen.

Thank you.

Yet, I'm on the

outside looking out

because I gambled.

- Pete!

- Hustle.

How long do you punish a guy?

I've got the man right here!

- Oh, my God!

I love you.

Even today, I have

never been allowed

to go in the clubhouse

or the batting cage

at the ballpark.

That's how stupid

this whole thing is.

There's a shot

knocked down by King.

Hansen wheels it, and

no play at first

his first Major League hit.

And he'll be greeted with

another standing ovation.

Well, just another

4,255, he can catch Dad.

That was quite a moment

here in Cincinnati.

I think I might be the

only big league player

that I couldn't put my

dad on the pass list

for my game, for my my debut.

I couldn't have my dad in the

locker room after my debut.

I had to meet him outside

where all the fans were.

People don't

realize the whole

people aspect of

the whole thing.

I mean, yeah, he made a mistake,

but we all make mistakes.

I mean, we're

we're not perfect.

We're human. That's

kind of part of it.

You know, I went

through a period of time

when I got suspended,

everybody was like this

when I went to when

I came to the ballpark.

"Is he sitting in

the right seat?"

I mean, they were paranoid.

I quit going because

I made everybody's job

so uncomfortable.

- OK, big guy.

- Hey, Donnie.

- There you are.

- Good to see you.

Did he tell you?

You were joking?

I hate to say this, but

I'd have been better off

if I was a drunkard.

I'd have been better off

if I was a cocaine addict.

I'd have been better off

if I'd have beat my wife.

But I didn't do any

of the three things.

I gambled.

The difference is

you still can't bet

on the sport that

you're playing.

Integrity still matters.

It matters if the guys

who are controlling

the outcome of the

game are betting.

And it matters if they're

betting on themselves

or their opponents,

or the opponents are

gonna play in a week.

You know, you can't have that.

Integrity still

has to be the base

of everything that happens

in competitive sports,

even if it's no longer the base

of what happens

in American life.

I can't be someone different.

I've I've said I'm sorry

that I bet on baseball

probably 2 million times.

Everybody's not gonna hear you.

Everybody's not gonna hear you.

Cincinnati Reds legend Pete Rose

is asking, once

again, to be allowed

into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

The 81-year-old wrote a letter

to MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred

to apologize for

the gambling scandal

that led to the league

banning him from baseball.

In the letter, Rose writes

No.

I saw I mean, I saw when it

came out like anyone else did.

It was a "what the eff" moment,

because he had just sort

of come from Philadelphia.

That didn't go

particularly well for him,

even if he perhaps had

his best intentions.

And I thought he needed

to give breathing room

from that moment to then seeking

any sort of movement or clarity

from Major League Baseball.

As long as I'm alive,

I gotta keep fighting.

I gotta get that feeling

of being presented a trophy

that puts you in

the Hall of Fame.

I think if I ever went in,

I'd be the happiest

one of all of them.

If there were a change

by the Hall of Fame

not by baseball, but

by the Hall of Fame

I think that younger

sportswriters and

which they mostly are now,

as opposed to guys

like myself

might be inclined

to to vote for him.

Every ballot of mine had

Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds.

They never got in.

If Pete Rose was deemed eligible

and put on the Writers'

ballot, which he wouldn't be

if he were, would

I check the box?

Hell yeah, I would.

You see all these

things on Pete.

You know, whatever

whatever it is,

positive, negative, whatever.

But you know, guys strive to do

what he did in the

game as a player.

That's what you live for.

As a kid from Texas,

I was a hustle guy.

They called me

Captain Intensity.

You know, I always knew that

I wasn't blessed with grace.

And I I always knew that

I wasn't the best player.

We saw more Hunter Pence

signs in Milwaukee and here

and in Kansas City.

And even Pete Rose got into it.

And he says Hunter Pence

hustles his you-know-what off.

And for Charlie Hustle,

that's a heck of a compliment.

Talking with Hunter Pence

this morning about that

Having that whole

Pete Rose comparison,

like, kind of struck

me to my core

Because for me, it was

like, I'm all heart.

Like, no one loves being

out here more than me.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

There's a lot of

things that Pete did

that elevated our game.

Today, it's in the

hands of Rob Manfred.

And Rob Manfred

has said, you know,

"As far as the Hall

of Fame is concerned,

"that's not my place.

"That's not my job.

That's the Hall of Fame's job."

I 100% believe if

you bet on baseball,

you should be banned

from baseball for life.

The fact that you should

not be able to work

or be involved in the

game in a way that

you could affect an outcome

should not be the same

test as to whether

you should be in

the Hall of Fame.

It's a museum, after all.

It is not a competitive

undertaking.

You know

I don't know.

We're running out of time.

f*cking sideburns are long.

I know, you hippie.

And gray.

Silver.

It's time.

I mean, what he did is just

so phenomenal and unbelievable.

At a certain point,

don't we live in

a "bygones be bygones" world?

I hope, for Pete's sake, we do.

Who do you want Sunday?

I'm surprised you're not

going. It's in Arizona.

I have never been to a

Super Bowl in my life.

- Well, that makes two of us.

- There's 57 of them.

That makes two of us.

I bet Philly.

I already bet them.

- I like Philly.

I bet them yesterday.

- I like Philly.

- What do I know?

From the outside, it's

already kind of a sad tale.

And when he dies, it's gonna be

a great American tragedy

his life, not his death.

His life will be a

great American tragedy.

But in baseball, he'll

always be a cautionary tale.

I hope Pete Rose doesn't

give up the fight,

even if he may not win.

You know, my view is, I don't

want to go to Cooperstown

and not see a

plaque with the guy

who got the most

hits in history.

He drives a lot of feeling,

a lot of passion in people.

And I always felt like

the people who were

cheering for him, you know,

they're cheering for themselves.

They're cheering for

their childhood memories.

It's nice to think

that they're cheering

for forgiveness for somebody

who they'd like to

see be forgiven.

I know it's hard for him,

and I'm sure it's hard for

those people who loved him.

But baseball has to

look beyond that,

has to see a bigger

picture than that,

even if Rose can't see a

bigger picture than that.

I have come to the conclusion

that he will be in the

Baseball Hall of Fame

one day, but they are

gonna make damn sure

it doesn't happen

until after he's gone.

And I think if, in

fact, that occurs,

that'll be the

greatest injustice

that's ever been perpetrated

upon a person in this game.

Welcome back, everybody.

I mean, it doesn't get

much better than this.

All here to see the

pre-game roll call.

The guys heading

inside the stadium,

and they'll be back

in just a little bit.

But in the meantime,

let's talk about

the NFC champion

Philadelphia Eagles.

- There you go.

Earlier this season,

five-time Pro Bowl cornerback

Darius Slayton gave

Phillies wide receiver

a superhero nickname.

When I was when

I got in trouble,

I was the biggest

player in the game.

I was the biggest

player in the game.

Have you seen

I got my lunch all set.

On the kicking game.

Have you seen any punters?

Tommy Thompson no.

I don't see any.

No no Jake Elliott

jerseys out here, no.

Charles, have you seen any

return jerseys out here?

I haven't seen any guys

no Turners, no jerseys.

Five hours pre-game, we've

talked about the offense

and defense of both teams.

And I'm gonna tell

you right now,

ain't nobody gonna

beat my record.

Ain't nobody gonna

beat my record.

They don't have it in

them to beat my record.

And I broke the record in 1985.

How many years ago was that?

40 years.

I'm gonna I'm

gonna have the record

of being suspended the longest.

I got the record for

being suspended

and a hell of a record.

Uh, you know,

I made mistakes when

I when I gambled.

No question about it.

But to be honest with you

this is an honest statement

I quit gambling.

I quit. I quit.

I haven't made a

bet in six months,

and I have no desire to.

- Where are you

- So are we done?

'Cause I gotta go make a bet.

No, I'm just kidding.

Hi.

- Hi.

How you doing?

- Where do you want me?

Sit right here?

Yeah.

No, I haven't.

I'm I'm not lying.

I'm not gonna lie to you.

If I'm gonna lie, I'm

not gonna start now.

I am no longer Pete

Rose the gambler.

What do you want on the ball?

These are we were

gonna do Charlie Hustle,

or we're gonna do 4,256.

It just wasn't it

wasn't fun no more.

Most of my gambling

was my entertainment.

Watching "Monday

Night Football,"

but betting on it.

But all of a sudden, it didn't

become fun for me anymore.

Well, we appreciate

you doing this.

This is something we're

running low on inventory,

so this is gonna help

us out quite a bit.

I don't miss gambling.

It took a long time for me

to realize you can't win.

You can win, but you can't win.

Does that make any sense?

If your boy Joe Burrow

makes it to the

Super Bowl this year,

are you gonna place

a bet on the Bengals?

No, I'm not betting on nothing.

No.

Especially the

Bengals right now.

I signed 1,000

baseballs last week.

"Sorry I bet on baseball."

1,000 baseballs with that?

Took me 2 1/2 days.

And the guy wants another 1,000.

- Wow.

- People buy that ball.

I don't know why, but

they buy that ball.