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02x04 - Max Gruver

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Death in the Dorms". Aired: January 5, 2023.*
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Follow the true story of six college students whose lives ended in a tragic m*rder.

02x04 - Max Gruver

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[Blakely] Kids aren't supposed
to die in college.

Kids aren't supposed
to die at all.

[Kennedi] I don't even think
we were a month into school yet,

before the news came,
breaking news.

[reporter 1] Police at Louisiana
State University investigating

the death of 18-year-old
freshman, Max Gruver.

[Kennedi] And it was like,
all hell broke loose.

No one knew what to do.

[Rae Ann] It was Max's time.

Max was gonna spread his wings.

College was really
gonna be his time.

I keep drippin'

Candle in the sun

I've got nowhere
to run and hide

If I make it through
the night

Then nobody survives

Then take me
to the roof top now

And see if I can fly

Then take me
to the roof top now

And see if I can fly

[Stephen] In the small
amount of time

that Max was on this planet

he made us better people.

[Rae Ann] Steve and I met, here,
in Atlanta, Georgia.

[Stephen] We got married
pretty quickly.

And we were engaged
within the first year.

And we ended up
in Roswell, Georgia,

which is just North of Atlanta.

And that's where we got
our first house.

That's where we started
our family.

Max was our first.
We were very excited

and he came to us
on January 27th, 1999.

[Stephen] From the beginning,
you knew

he was something special.

When he was just a little baby,

I walked into the room

and Max was sitting in his crib
and he had

one of his
Mickey Mouse is sitting here

and another Mickey Mouse
sitting here

and this is before he could even
really talk,

right, and he's got a book
out in front,

he's pretending
to read to his two Mickeys.

Growing up, he was
such an avid reader

and he loved sports.

[Rae Ann] The minute, you know,
he could start throwing a ball

he'd pick it up
and throw a ball.

He loved when his brother would
play and we'd go to his games.

[Stephen] Max and Alex, they're
almost exactly two years apart.

Those two were fast friends.

Very close brothers, you know,
from the beginning.

[Alex] I would call him
my best friend growing up.

One of the reason I always
looked up to Max was because

he was so carefree.

He would do something and say,

"Hey, I don't care
if you don't like it

or if you do like it."

"I like it, so I'm gonna do it."

After Alex, four years later,
we had Lily-Kate.

[Lily] I think, not only
do we butt heads,

because we were
oldest and youngest

but I think we were also
just very similar.

My mom always tells me that

I remind her a lot of Max.

I think, his personality
runs a lot in my personality

as I grew up, so...
That's pretty cool.

Max coached me in basketball
in fifth and sixth grade.

Her team wasn't gonna
be able to play because

no one would step up
and coach the team.

Well, Max is like,
well, I'll do it.

[Alex] He literally loved every
second of it, and the girls all,

all the girls on the team,
they all loved him.

[Lily] One time, I fouled out
completely, like, I couldn't

play anymore and I thought
it was a really bad thing.

I ran off and I was crying

and he just picked me up
and I hugged him and it was...

it was very nice to have him
there, for sure.

[Mike] If you ever had a problem

or there's anything in your life
he's gonna be there

right by your side to help
you get through it.

He's gonna be there to make
you laugh and just be

the kind person
to you the whole time.

[Blakely] As college years
approached,

Max definitely wanted to be
a sports writer.

That's something
he enjoyed doing

on a lower scale
in high school.

[Stephen] He started working for
a company called Def Pen Radio.

Max wrote over 360 articles
on basketball.

That was his dream,
he wanted to continue that.

[Rae Ann] Max started applying
to colleges

and you know, we were talking
about schools

and he definitely wanted
to go to, a big school,

like, an ACC or an SEC school,
because of the sports.

LSU was the first school
he heard back from

with an acceptance,
and him and Steve went

to go see the school and,
let me tell you,

they did everything right there
at LSU.

We had such
a great time together.

My crew green
My crew violent

[tiger roars]

I'm all up in the terminal
after that dollars and blunts

I may burn a few...

And, you know, after that,
he came home, that Saturday

and walked in my house with his

LSU, you know, Tiger Bound sign

in his hand
that they took on the plane

and, I was like, oh, my gosh,
he's, he's gonna go there,

I can tell, that's where
he wants to go.

♪ Pushin' to the limit
I'm in it to win it ♪

♪ I'm in it to win it, yeah
I'm in it to win it ♪

[Kennedi] LSU means a lot
to the community out here.

Louisiana State University.

We bleed our purple and gold.

[commentator] Tiger's defenses
still as steady.

Billy Cannon takes it
on the 11.

And runs a gauntlet
of Mississippi tacklers.

♪ I'm on it ♪
♪ Had some bad nights ♪

♪ And there were
good mornings ♪

[Kennedi] You hear, "Go Tigers!"
all throughout the streets.

[crowd] Go, Tigers!

Being a student at LSU
is unlike any other.

[Rae Ann] Over the summer,
before Max went to school,

he started talking a little bit
about fraternities.

[Kennedi] So many people
come to LSU

specifically, just to join
Greek life.

[Christian] When I originally
came to LSU,

I believe there are around

These are long, historic,
established fraternities

that have been there for a while
in LSU's campus.

[Rae Ann] Max went through Rush
right after he got dropped off

at school, they have, like, week
of Rush before school starts.

I'll probably die
I'll probably die

Tryin' to be everything
you want

So tell me why...

Max and I first met during
the formal recruitment process

for LSU,
what we like to call Rush.

We kinda found that we clicked
very quickly.

We were both looking at some
of the same fraternities.

We both were going through
this process

really, to find our group
of friends that we were gonna,

you know, stick with for
the rest of our college time.

[Rae Ann] Phi Delta Theta
was at the top of his list

and he really, really liked
Phi Delta Theta

because it was a smaller
fraternity on campus,

and we think, Max liked that.

And, he really liked the guys
in his pledge class.

[Stephen] I went online
and did some research

on phi Delta Theta and

I landed on a page that...

This is for parents...
Parents, You're going to love...

your son's decision to join
Phi Delta Theta.

We have zero tolerance
for hazing.

And I saw that
and I was like, wow,

you know, Max has really made
some great decisions

with this fraternity.

[Rae Ann] Max kept talking
a lot about leadership.

I remember him telling us
he'd been up for like,

pledge call president
at the time and,

and he just really thought
he could do a lot of things

within the fraternity
and I was excited for him.

He was happy.
I felt that every single day...

that Max...
he's doing his thing.

On September 14th,
I was at work.

I worked at a doctor's office

and all of sudden,
my phone rang.

[phone ringing]

[Rae Ann] And we were getting up
to go to lunch, it was noon.

And, I looked at the phone

and it said Baton Rouge
across it.

And it was a man on the phone
and he...

was a nurse from the hospital.

And, he said, you know,

"Is this Mrs. Gruver?
Are you Max Gruver's mom?"

And I, you know, said, yes,
and he's like,

your son was just brought in,

he was found unconscious...

Some of his friends found him.

And...

they brought him
into the hospital.

[Stephen] I got a phone call
from Rae Ann,

she just kept saying,
something's wrong with Max.

Something is wrong with Max.

I remember telling everybody
at work,

"Okay, I gotta go, I gotta go."

And I just remember, you know,
looking to the sky

and praying to God that,

Max is okay.

When I get home, I learn

everything is fine, Max is okay.

You know, please, God,

Max is okay.

[Rae Ann] I was probably at my
house, trying to figure out,

what do I... I'm gonna have to
go to Louisiana, what do I take?

And then they called again,
and...

the nurse, he said,
Mrs. Gruver, we did...

[voice breaking] we did
everything we could do.

We worked on Max
for 45 minutes but...

he didn't make it.

[Stephen] I just... I yelled,
I screamed, um...

It was awful, just awful.

Lily and Alex
were still at school.

And we had to get them home.

They learned just like I did,

when they walked in the front
door...

in the foyer.

Just a terrible, terrible day.

[Alex] They came up to me
and hugged me

and told me right then
and there.

And we just... We just sat there
and we...

we cried together, like, that's

I mean,
I didn't know what to do,

nobody knows what to do
in that situation so...

[Lily] I went to his room
with my mom

and I put on one of his big,
large white T-shirts

that looked like a dress on me.

That's all I really remember
from that day.

[Hillar] Upon arrival
at the hospital,

Max's Gruver's
blood alcohol level

was extremely high
and it was a deadly dose.

[Morgan] The hospital
immediately contacted

the coroner
for an investigation...

'cause the circumstances
surrounding

this young man's death
were suspicious.

[Hillar] The coroner's office
called the LSU police department

and notified them.
At the same time,

Max Gruver's family
is being notified

and no one is really sure
of exactly what happened.

[Stephen] We knew that Max
had passed away

and we needed to get to
Baton Rouge as soon as possible.

[Morgan] At the same time,
law enforcement is notified

by the director of Greek Life

that Max had passed away

in the Phi Delta Theta house,
it's right there on campus.

They shortly arrived,
two minutes after.

[Hillar] Everyone was
kinda shocked

and shaking their head that

a young person, who is
a freshman, is dead.

And he's dead, potentially,
as a result of

a night of very serious,
dangerous drinking.

[Morgan] The pledge educator
also sends a message out

to the pledges to also come
to the house.

[Christian] We got a message
saying, everyone needed

to come to the house right now.

Everyone shows up to the house
and the next thing we know...

the head of LSU's Greek Life
at the time...

comes through the door
and just says,

I don't know why
you guys are talking,

this is a m*rder investigation.

And that was the first we knew
that Max was dead.

And, it hit me pretty hard

um, I didn't really know
what to do.

I definitely didn't wanna stay
in that house anymore.

We were, not technically
detained,

but my opinion, detained.

We got brought to a separate
facility that LSU had.

They took our phones
and everything,

we weren't allowed
to talk to each other

and they took each
of our statements.

Detective: We've called all the
frat- fraternity members in...

Detective: ...and we're gonna
talk with each

of y'all about what knowledge
y'all have...

Detective: ...of the events that
took

place last night and this
morning...

Detective: ...regarding, uh,
Max.

Law enforcement was smart enough
to know

we have to keep
interviewing people

'cause this isn't just
a normal case.

People don't get that blood
alcohol content in their blood

at a normal college party.

Detective: Look, I don't know
if anybody is a suspect.

Detective: I don't know if
everybody is a suspect.

Detective: I don't know anything
and that's

the only reason we're doing this
right now.

[Christian] That was, really
the, the pinnacle of when

all of us kinda realized, like,

holy cow, the severity
of the situation, like,

he's gone.

Detective: I'm trying to get a
picture

for this young man's family...

Detective: ...who are flying
down from Georgia.

Detective: Which, I'm sure,
I can't even imagine

what's going through their mind.

[Morgan] Enough information
is given to give the police

an idea that there was
a hazing event, a pledge event,

the night that Max passed away.

That it did occur
at the fraternity house.

[Jonathon] And reports are,
that as the night went on,

as the ritual went on,

Max started being
particularly targeted.

[Hillar] And that
things look like,

he was particularly targeted

for this night of, you know,
excessive drinking and hazing.

Pledge: Actives told us
to come for "Bible study."

Pledge: That's what
they call it.

Pledge: We were told to get
there before 10. Don't be late.

We'd heard about Bible Study,

guys mentioning it casually,

actives, to each other
and stuff like that.

Our Bible
was our Phikeia Manual.

So, that's your pledge manual.

Essentially, a book they give
to every new member pledge,

that gives you history
of the fraternity...

Even things like etiquette and

where you should put
forks and knives

when you're setting up a table.

So, everything
that you need to know

about the fraternity
is supposed to be in that book.

It's supposed to be
your best friend,

read it throughout its entirety,

probably 40 times so you know it
all like the back of your hand.

So, we finally got
the message, like,

hey, you know, be here, tonight,
for Bible Study.

Bring your manual,
and all that stuff.

And, so, we were like,
okay, like,

let's see what this is about.

We really had no kind of clue

what we were gonna step into,
we just knew

it was gonna be a... some
sort of hazing type of thing.

You feel like what you're
walking into, you're gonna

walk out of it and
you're gonna be safe and fine

but, hindsight, that's just not
the reality of it.

[Rae Ann] We know that
Max arrived

at approximately 9:50 p.m.

Him and I were Snapchatting

and he had told me,
he'd gone to dinner

with some friends and
then he was gonna run by

the fraternity house and
I Snapchatted to him,

I love you, and he Snapped
back, you know, I love you too.

[Morgan] He was dropped off
by two of his female friends

that were not associated
with the fraternity.

And according to them,
Max had not been drinking

prior to the Bible Study and had
not done any ill*gal substances

prior to the Bible Study.

There were probably 10-15, maybe
upwards of 20 pledges there.

But no more than 20 pledges
for the Bible Study.

They'd only been pledges for
a couple of weeks at the point.

[Christian] Formal fraternity
recruitment at LSU,

which we all called Rush,
is very structured.

Obviously, everyone is putting
their best face forward.

But just receiving a bid

or an invitation to join
does not mean you're gonna

end up being an active brother
or get initiated.

During the pledge period,
for the lack of a better term,

pledges are having
to prove themselves

to the active members.

[Christian] Pledges are kind of
expected to be on call, 24/7.

Whether it is bringing a brother
to a class,

or picking him up some lunch,

going to clean his house
or apartment,

really, anything and everything
under the sun...

you're probably gonna
get asked to do.

There's definitely some men who,
you know,

respect the lines that
come with the pledges

but there is plenty, plenty,
that abuse those favors.

A lot of the typical abusers
of those pledge favors

tend to take, like, pride
in the fact that they do that.

And a lot of those guys
tended to

talk negatively towards you.

They kinda made you feel like

you were a separate group from

this brotherhood
you were tryna join in.

Made you feel like
you were lesser than

and you had to really earn
your spot here.

And it really kinda messes up
your experience

during that pledge process.

A lot of the things that you get
asked to do are hazing but...

I was never scared to go grab
someone's food or,

you know, go clean their
apartment or any of that stuff.

But that looming invite of

you know, come here for this,
come to the house now,

everyone needs to be here.

We always get a bit of anxiety

when you're taking that ride
over to the house

or walking to the house.

Just not knowing what
you're about to go through...

once you get inside the doors.

Pledge: They gave off the air
that...

Pledge: ...like, we wouldn't go
through anything like this.

[Kennedi] I was a student
reporter at the time

and, gosh, I don't even think

we were a month into school yet

before the breaking news came.

And it was like,
all hell broke loose.

No one knew what to do.

[Rae Ann] So many things
were coming in.

I was amazed how many people
knew about it.

I mean, again,
it's on social media.

All of a sudden, like,
I am on the plane,

and before we took off,
I get a text

from a friend of mine
and she says,

you know, please tell me,
it's not true,

I just got a text
from my daughter

and...

you know, I just, you know,
started crying harder,

and I'm like, how do...

'cause how could
that be real, right.

How does my, this friend,

already know and her daughter
goes to school

at Georgia Southern.

[Kennedi] News teams
from everywhere

CNN, ABC, NBC,

everyone coming on campus, just
to figure out what happened.

All of a sudden,
the university president,

F. King Alexander,
there's a big press conference.

We, in the LSU community,
are grieving today.

The death of Maxwell Gruver
was tragic and untimely.

There were allegations that
they were related to hazing

but I want to emphasize that
this is a evolving situation.

We are investigating
this matter

with the utmost seriousness.

Hazing is dangerous,
irresponsible and unacceptable.

And it will not be tolerated
at LSU, period.

As a result, all,
I mean all, Greek activities

are suspended indefinitely,

pending the results
of a thorough investigation.

And everyone went crazy.

[news reporter] This evening
representatives

of every fraternity
and sorority

on campus held a closed door
meeting about the incident.

Any comments
on the meeting, guys.

I don't have anything to say.

A whole group of folks from LSU

asked if they could come see us.

And they were very forthright
with information

and that it potentially was,
you know, a hazing incident

and something happened
at the Phi Delta Theta house.

And there would be
an on-going investigation.

That, you know, obviously,
makes you very angry, right.

'Cause, you know that something
happened to your son

that shouldn't have happened
to your son.

That Max died from hazing
in the fraternity house,

a fraternity that has zero
tolerance for hazing.

So, you're getting all these
details and you're like,

how could this possibly
have happened?

[Rae Ann] That afternoon,
we were able to go see Max.

And... you know, we hadn't
seen him yet.

They had done an autopsy
on him that morning and

in the afternoon,
they had called and said,

you know, we could come
and see him.

That may be the worst moment
of all of this, was seeing him.

It was seeing him in the funeral
home on a slab and...

it was just, in a white T-shirt
and a thin blanket was over him.

I mean, that's when it really
became real,

like, that was actually him.

[Stephen] Really,
all you wanna know is

what happened?

How could this happen to my son?

You know, what led up to it?

Who's responsible?

And Hillar and Morgan made sure

that all those questions
were answered.

[Morgan] We learned that that
night, the actives were asking

the pledges to get
in a line downstairs.

The actives we know are present
at the Bible Study

are Matthew Naquin, a sophomore,

Ryan Isto is also a sophomore,

he was Matthew Naquin's
roommate.

And Sean-Paul Gott,
who was a junior

and he had a room in the house.

They take their cellphones,
and the way

that the Phi Delta Theta
house is laid out,

the common area is downstairs

and the entire upstairs
is just one, long hallway

with bedrooms on either side.

And Matthew Naquin tells
all the pledges to go upstairs.

Pledge: They had all the
upstairs lights off.

Pledge: And they had a strobe
light.

Pledge: And loud music.

[loud music plays]

And that's when the real, like,
yelling, yelling started

and we're all told like,
alright, turn around,

and put your nose
against the wall.

The pledges are turning,
being asked esoteric questions

about the fraternity
and other things.

[Christian] Founding fathers,
notable alumni,

founding history,
founding dates.

Any of the history that

some of the actives knew
and wanted to ask you.

If you get it right,
it goes to the next person,

if you get it wrong,
you take a pull of alcohol.

Detective: They were just
drinking it straight

out of the bottle?

Active: Yes, sir.

For as long as the member
standing in front of them

told them to drink.

Pledge: Take a 10 second pull.

Pledge: Uh, take a 5 second
pull.

Pledge: One of them told me
to take a 5 second...

Pledge: ...and I didn't want to.

Pledge: I was like, "Can I take
a 3 second?"

Pledge: It was like, "No, take a

Pledge: And I did.

And there was a mix
of alcohol in the beginning,

Captain Morgan,
but it eventually became

almost exclusively, Diesel.

Hundred and ninety
proof alcohol.

[Morgan] Regular liquor
is 80 proof.

This has twice the potency.

[Jonathon] Basically, the
strongest alcohol you can make.

It smells like gasoline
and tastes

probably worse than I would
expect gasoline to taste like.

And I was not quite prepared for

Diesel or any of that kind
of stuff to be used.

They realized once
they were asked to take

the first drink of it,
how potent it was.

And we were able to
find some bottles that

had been left behind
at the house.

[Jonathon] As witnesses
were coming forward

and talking to law enforcement

Matthew Naquin's name kept
coming up over and over again.

Detective: Were any of the
actives more vocal...

Detective: ...and a little bit
more out of the box,

pushing the drinking than
others?

Pledge: Um, absolutely, um...

Detective: Who were the
more aggressive ones?

Pledge: Matthew Naquin was
the...

Pledge: ...definitely the
leader.

Most of the other actives
just filtered in and out.

Naquin was one of the only ones
there the entirety of it.

Pledge: It's a name
that you've probably heard

over and over again.

Pledge: Matthew Naquin.

Pledge: Matthew Naquin.

Pledge: He was the most
aggressive

when it came to this stuff.

Detective: Was he intense
last night?

Pledge: Yes.

Pledge: He was...

Pledge: ...screaming a lot.

Pledge: He was...

Pledge: ...very upset whenever
we didn't know the answers.

Pledge: He probably handed out
the most alcohol to us.

[Christian] If Naquin ever
gave it to me,

it was... for me, pretty quick,
chug, whatever.

But every time, the couple
of times that I noticed

Max taking pulls,
it was not a quick one

and it was also not his choice
to not make it a quick one.

He was identified by witnesses
as the person

leading the Bible Study
or one of the leaders.

And also as a person
who was particularly

targeting Max that night.

[Morgan] From what
we understood,

Matthew Naquin was the main one

making Max drink that night.

and then as the night progressed

Matthew Naquin honed in on Max.

[Jonathon] And he was asked
to take more pulls

and longer pulls by farer
than any other pledge.

[Morgan] According to the
pledges, Max was so intoxicated

that he had a trash bag placed
around his neck

because they were worried
he would vomit.

After he had the trash bag
placed around his neck

is when Matthew Naquin
was honing in on him

and making him drink the Diesel

even though he knew
he was intoxicated.

Detective: Okay, so when it
ended, what happened?

Pledge: They just turned the
lights on, we walked downstairs.

Max sat back on
to a couch and...

very hardly, like, hit his head
on the windowsill behind him.

And I was like, Oh, s**t, so,

instantly the pledge brothers
kinda go around him, you know,

and, okay, like, are you good,
are you good.

"No, I'm just drunk,
I'm just drunk. Okay, okay"

Active: We were gonna bring
him home, but I mean...

Active: ...he could barely walk.

Active: So we decided
best bet was to, um...

Active: ...just let him sleep
it off at the house.

All we knew about Max was that
he was gonna stay at the house

so that an active could stay
with him the rest of the night.

Detective: Were you all worried
about him?

Active: I was worried about him.
Yes, sir.

[Christian] The next morning,
I texted some

of my pledge brothers, I'm like,
hey, let's go check on Max,

you know, let's go see how
hungover he is, whatever.

And we walk into
the fraternity house

and Max is still on the couch

and I could instantly kinda tell
something was wrong.

He looked pale and
he was cold to the touch,

his lips had started
to discolor.

At that point, I said, like,

I cannot feel a pulse,
I cannot feel a pulse.

So, me and my couple
of pledge brothers

carried, in my opinion,
Max's lifeless body

to a car and put him
in the back seat

so that he could get driven
to the hospital

and that was all we knew.

[Rae Ann] We were definitely
getting more information

and more information
was coming out

and it's just shocking, right.

This is my son's last night
on Earth and

he's being forced to drink,

you know,
copious amounts of alcohol,

you know, for what reason,
you know,

to join an organization, to be
a brother to somebody else,

you know, what exactly
is anyone proving

to someone else
if they can drink

copious amounts of 190 proof
grain alcohol.

And then I just, I know I kept
thinking about

what was Max's last night like.
Like...

Was he in pain? Did he
know anything was going on?

Did he know
he was starting to get sick?

We know that Max died,
from the coroner,

around 4 or 5 a.m.

[Morgan] They found that
his cause of death

was alcohol intoxication
with aspiration.

[Stephen] He died because he had

so much liquid in his lungs

from vomiting and just inhaling

it and...

Just the horror that goes

through that level

of intoxication and death

happened to Max on that couch.

It's painful they let him die

on that couch

and did nothing,

never called 9-1-1.

Never did anything

to try to save his life.

That's how your child, you know,

leaves you

and leaves this Earth.

I mean, that's horrific.

[Christian] That's what probably

the hardest thing is...

knowing that the last time

you saw him, you could've,

you felt like you could've done

something,

you noticed he was drunk

and instead you went home.

And you weren't there for him

when he really needed you.

After that, my grades slipped,

I dropped to about 100lbs.

My parents made the decision,

with one

of the LSU psychiatrists

to pull me from LSU.

I got therapy 3-4 times a week

for the entire rest

of that semester with

the goal to make it back to LSU

in the spring.

And then, from there on,

it's just the constant

knowing that Max

is never going to be there.

And that's a best friend that

I'll never get to see again.

[Hillar] As the interviews

progressed, we learned a lot,

not only through the police

department but

also through the students

of the student

Accountability Office.

[Morgan] Student Advocacy and

Accountability is an offshoot

of the LSU dean's office,

and they look into violations

of the student code of conduct

and make investigations

whenever there is

a student death.

So, they are making

an investigation

parallel separate from LSUPD.

They were able to get

more details about

the events in the weeks

leading up to Max's death.

And what we were able

to ascertain

was from the day that Max

was going to get a bid

in Phi Delta Theta,

Matthew Naquin

did not want him

in that fraternity.

And he actively didn't want him

in that fraternity

up until his death.

We learned through

the investigation that

you know, Matthew just did not

like my son,

'cause he was supposedly late

to certain events

and Matthew had it out for him.

[Hillar] From what we learned,

Matthew Naquin

did not like Max Gruver.

Did not think that he was

an appropriate member

for his fraternity.

Made it really clear

that he should not be a member.

In fact Gruver was given a bid,

Matthew Naquin tore up that bid

and said, he's not gonna be

a part of this.

[Morgan] The next day,

Max was given another bid.

They wrote him another bid card

and was extended the invitation

to pledge the fraternity.

[Hillar] More telltale was

the fraternity had a meeting.

And they were discussing

Matthew Naquin's behavior

in the fraternity as a leader,

and particularly, as it kinda

related to the pledges.

[Morgan] As a part of

the pledging responsibilities

Phi Delta Theta

had their pledges

stake out a tailgating spot,

the Friday night

before the LSU football game.

And Matthew Naquin came

to that location

with a airsoft g*n...

and shot pledges.

[Christian] I remember him

sh**ting me

in the back with an airsoft g*n

while we're trying to set up

the tailgate

for the brothers for the next

day, and,

yeah, we're getting pelted

by BBs.

And I can tell you,

it stung a good bit.

I had a nice, little mark

on the back of my leg

when I got shot

and it was not fun.

[Rae Ann] The Monday night

before the Bible Study

the executive board had

had a meeting about Matthew

because of his dangerous

and reckless activity

with the pledges.

[Morgan] After that

board meeting,

they had an active meeting,

with all of the active members

of Phi Delta Theta.

At that active meeting,

they gave an overall reprimand

to all of the active members

to be safe with the pledges,

to not be sadistic with them.

Also, after the meeting,

a vice president,

the pledge educator

specifically singled out

Matthew Naquin

and told him he was worried

about how he was interacting

with pledges, and Matthew Naquin

told him,

"I will do what I want."

[Rae Ann] And then

two nights later,

him and his buddies were

in-charge of this Bible Study

and he k*lled my son.

The funeral was at

St. Peter Chanel

which is the church we go to.

[Blakely] I was the first person

in the viewing

that wasn't family.

And I just saw the top

of his head

out of the casket and...

collapsed.

Alex's friends were behind me

and caught me and had to

walk me down to it.

[Alex] It was a pretty

massive funeral,

it felt like, I didn't really

look 'cause I was in the front

and I didn't want to look

at everybody

but from what I heard

from all of my friends,

they were like, dude,

it was insanely packed.

There were so many people, like,

it was almost out the church,

and I was like,

wow, like, that's awesome.

That just shows, like,

the impact he had

on the community and like,

people around him,

like, they all wanted

to be there.

[Lily] It definitely took me

a few months

to really, I think,

admit to myself

that he was gone.

And I wouldn't be able to see

him again.

I was still stuck in that

thought of, oh,

he'll be coming back from school

in a little while.

So, it definitely took me

a minute to, like,

really get those tears out

and understand that,

yeah, he was not gonna

be coming back.

At that point, we believed

that there's gonna be

criminal liability

and criminal action

taken by the police department.

The issue, though, for us is,

we're dealing with

a hazing statute

that has no teeth.

[Morgan] At that point in time,

in September of 2017,

there was a hazing law

in effect.

Only one hazing law in effect

in Louisiana

that had been in effect since

the early 1900s.

[Hillar] That law was really

not designed at the time

to encompass

great bodily harm or death,

it was just hazing,

some activity that students do.

Law itself is like,

a paragraph long.

The maximum punishment

was a hundred dollar fine

and 30 days in jail.

[Jonathon] There was

a real concern

that there would not be

real accountability.

for the people who did this

to Max.

Where the law on hazing

isn't strong in a state,

like it wasn't in Louisiana

when this happened to Max,

it creates many additional

hurdles for the prosecution.

[Hillar] And we had to look

to see, are there other

laws that had been violated,

that fit this situation.

[Stephen] We had very

specific conversations

with Hillar and Morgan about how

they're going to prosecute

the bad actors in Max's case.

They had to go through

a lot more work

to try to figure out

how to hold these

individuals responsible.

Ultimately, the most responsible

individual, Matthew Naquin.

And the only law that applied

was negligent homicide.

[Morgan] On October 11th, 2017,

the LSUPD feels like

they have enough information

to make arrests

of ten young men.

I remember being a reporter,

and we found out early

in the morning.

[Kennedi reporting] Ten people

face charges

in connection

to Gruver's death.

All are charged with hazing,

and Matthew Naquin

faces an additional charge

of negligent homicide.

Saturday will mark exactly

one month

since Max Gruver

has passed away.

I am so appreciative of

the DA team and Hillar Moore,

knowing that that Matthew needed

to be charged with something.

He was not just going to be

charged with hazing,

because Max died.

[Morgan] After

the LSUPD arrests,

our office took on

the investigation,

and we decided it would be

a good idea to confiscate

the phones of those

who were arrested,

so that we could see

if there was anything

that we could present

to the grand jury

to let them know the level

of culpability involved

as it relates

to these young men.

And the only phone that

we're not able to open

after exhaustive efforts,

and after requesting a passcode,

is Matthew Naquin's phone.

Ultimately, the judge ruled

that he would have to give

his passcode,

and he was given a grace period

to appeal that decision,

and during that grace period,

the FBI

was able to open

Matthew Naquin's phone.

And approximately 700

files were deleted.

We looked at the time

of this deletion.

Matthew Naquin's attorney

was contacted on November 8th

at 3 o'clock about the warrant

for his client's phone.

He then called Matthew Naquin.

And 40 minutes after the phone

call with his attorney,

Matthew Naquin is deleting

[Hillar] It's obvious that

someone has something to hide.

There was something on the phone

that somebody didn't want us

to see...

We did make efforts to restore

those files,

but weren't... unable to recover

the deleted files.

When we did get into

Matthew Naquin's phone,

we were able to look at

his search histories.

And there was a specific

search history

a little over two weeks

before Max's death

for Everclear, versus liquor.

To search what the relative

potencies were.

Everclear, just 190 proof.

Diesel is 190 proof.

So Matthew Naquin was aware

of the consequences

and the risks of using

this type of alcohol.

This is the first time

he's in the position

to be able to direct pledges.

And Diesel 190 alcohol
is the alcohol

that he chooses
to use that night.

That's how Max got to that
level of alcohol poisoning

within his system,
and that's what k*lled him.

[Kennedi] When more information
started to come out,

I mean, reading it,
it was disgusting.

[Lily] The story made me angry.

I was confused why people
would purposely

do that to my brother.

[Alex] When I went to college,
I had some friends

that would say, like, hazing,
we don't do it that bad.

And I'm like, well, the fact
you're doing it at all

is just messed up,
you shouldn't do it at all.

[Kennedi] And think about
one of those boys.

I mean, ten people got arrested.

If one of them
would have stood up

and said, we're not doing this,

Max Gruver could possibly
still be alive today.

[Morgan] So after the arrests,
all of these cases

were taken to grand jury.

And in March of 2018,

the first indictment

was for Matthew Naquin,
and he was indicted

for negligent homicide.

The second indictment
was for Sean-Paul Gott.

He was indicted
for misdemeanor hazing.

And the third indictment
was for Ryan Isto.

He was indicted for misdemeanor
hazing as well.

No other people were indicted.

Ryan Isto and Sean-Paul Gott,
once they pled,

the ball was in their court
to cooperate

and then also
to testify truthfully

at the trial against
Matthew Naquin.

[Rae Ann] When we went to trial,
about two years later,


it was a very hard two weeks.

[Blakely] Rae Ann and Steve
were very nice

to get me a plane ticket.

I flew through a hurricane
to get there.

The trial had already started
by the time I got there.

But it was a very surreal
experience.

[Morgan] Upwards of 40 witnesses
were called.

And of those witnesses,

were pledges that were there
at the Bible Study that night

and ten actives.

[Stephen] Having to relive that
night over and over

is extremely emotional.

It's very difficult.

I can just picture Max
throughout that night

and in the morning, and,
you know, it just...

it's visuals
you don't want to have.

[Jonathon] The theme throughout
defense counsel's questioning

and cross-examining
of witnesses

kept using the term free-will.

Mr. Gruver was his
own free-will.

His own free-will,
his own free-will.

Morgan Johnson,
who was the prosecutor

who led this case,
turned it around.

And she said,
let's talk about free-will.

And Mr. Naquin had free-will

when he decided
to grab that Diesel bottle

and hand it to Max and tell him

to drink again
and again and again.

So if we want to talk about
free-will,

let's talk about whose
free-will here resulted

in Mr. Gruver's death.

[Morgan] A fellow pledge who was
next to line in Max that night,

said, I believe from the bottom
of my heart

that if Matthew Naquin

wasn't in that house that night,

Max Gruver would still be alive.

No one asked him
any more questions

because he said
what needed to be said.

[Kennedi] When they read
the verdict,

and I just remember everyone

just being on the edge
of their seats,

and we're waiting,

and everyone is holding
their breath,

you can hear a pin drop.

The jury came back in less than
an hour with a guilty verdict.

[Stephen] Both of us just
broke down in tears

and just cried because...

we got some closure from this.

They did convict.

[Morgan] He had to serve
two and a half years

in Department of Correction.

And then when he got out,

he was subject to three years
supervised probation.

And if he didn't comply
with supervised probation,

he would go back to prison for
another two and a half years.

Based on what the judge
heard at trial,

he decided to sentence Ryan Isto
and Sean-Paul Gott

what the max was at that point
in time,

and a $100 fine.

Sean-Paul Gott and
Matthew Naquin

were expelled by the school.

[Jonathon] There were
some consequences

for the organization as well.

The fraternity was expelled
from LSU's campus until 2033.

[Stephen] After the trial was
over, we wanted to decompress.

And we couldn't think
of any place better to go

than to Chimes, certainly
his favorite restaurant.

[Blakely] And we walk in,
we sit down

just to get something to eat,
water, whatever, and...

in the restaurant,
I Don't Want to Miss a Thing,

by Aerosmith came on and
that was Rae Ann and Max's song.

I don't wanna fall asleep

'Cause I'd miss you baby

And I don't wanna
miss a thing ♪♪

[Blakely] That's like the song
she wanted to dance to

with him at his wedding.

She sang it to him like, oh,
he was little and growing up.

And that was kind of like...
his wink to us, knowing that

it was going to be okay.

[Stephen] The whole time,
Max has been guiding us

down this path
to try to create change.

So, we created
the Max Gruver Foundation,

which is about helping
to create that change.

[Rae Ann] You know, we've spoken
to well over, I don't know,

you know,

probably over 150,000
students total at this point.

[Stephen] We try to get as many
folks from the university

there as possible,
certainly Greek Life.

But we welcome
all the sports teams,

all the clubs,
when we go and speak.

And we want to educate them
on what hazing is.

And just how bad it is
and how it can escalate

and turn into something horrible

like what happened to our son.

[Rae Ann] And a big thing
we've been doing

is that we've made a high school
education program.


Steve and I tell Max's story.

And then a local
Phi Delta Theta chapter

talk about the realities of,
you know, hazing.

And it's really been effective.

[Stephen] What really got us
to form this relationship

was just speaking
with Sean Wagner.

Sean is the head
of the Phi Delta Thetas.

He knows that they failed
miserably at LSU.

And he's got passion.

That relationship's
been instrumental

in just amplifying our voice.

[Jonathon] Less than a year
after Max's death,

the governor of Louisiana signed
the Max Gruver Act

that made fundamental changes
to the hazing law in Louisiana.

[Morgan] Hazing is now a felony
in Louisiana.

[Jonathon] It creates reporting
requirements

for schools and fraternities
if there's hazing incidents.

It makes it a crime not to seek
medical assistance

for someone in situations
like Max.

[Stephen] And we've gotten
some change

in the state of Georgia as well.

We have a Max Gruver Act
that requires reporting

with respect to hazing
in every university.

[Jonathon] And one of the things
that Gruver's are doing

is try to advocate for
and push through a federal law

that would make hazing
a federal crime

with uniform standards
across the country.

[Rae Ann] You know, if we can
change one kid's mind,

then we've done what we want
to do for Max.

[Rae Ann] We miss you, big guy.

And we hope
we're making you proud.

Nobody survives

Then take me
to the roof top now

And see if I can fly

Then take me
to the roof top now

And see if I can fly ♪♪