TRAVIS: Why was it so hard
to drill through
whatever this stuff is?
I think these ceramics
might be covering the surface
of something pretty incredible.
- Ooh. That was warm.
- Wow!
TRAVIS: Look at that
weird figure eight it's making.
KEVIN: That definitely looks
more dispersed than
what they normally look like.
Isn't that strange?
ERIK: Oh, wow.
It didn't do the
ring, though, guys.
- I'm looking at it right now.
- KEVIN: Nope, there's no ring.
ERIK: It could well
be that that bubble
- is playing a role in the shaping of that cloud.
- Yeah.
DAVE: What is that?
Look at that. There it goes.
That's what I'm talking about.
- It's something I cannot explain.
- That's amazing.
NARRATOR: There is
a ranch in Northern Utah.
It is considered the epicenter
of the strangest and most
disturbing occurrences on Earth.
For two decades,
the federal government
investigated the property.
Their findings have
never been made public.
TRAVIS: Right there!
We got something!
NARRATOR: Now a new team
of independent
scientists and researchers
are taking over.
They are uncovering evidence
that the countless stories...
It came right out of the mesa.
Of unidentified
aerial phenomena...
UAP right there!
Bizarre energies...
It looks like there's a heat
source right above 'em.
And portals that lead
to other dimensions...
We're maybe
looking at the anomaly
for the first time, guys.
Might actually be true.
They will stop at
nothing to reveal...
The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.
BRANDON: I want to take
a moment to thank everyone
for their engagement, for taking
the time out of their busy lives
to come together today
for this very critical briefing,
as we dive into, I think, the
most compelling evidence
relative to the reality
of what is happening
at Skinwalker Ranch.
Jay, I appreciate you
pulling together a team
of esteemed experts to
help us better understand
what we have
documented at the ranch.
Well, I appreciate it.
I think this is gonna
be a really good review
because the folks
we've brought together.
We're trying to get the
experts in their fields so that
we can solve Skinwalker Ranch.
TRAVIS: As the
strangest year yet
in our team's investigation
on Skinwalker Ranch
comes to an end,
Brandon Fugal gathered us
in Salt Lake City
to review the results
of our latest experiment
and discuss all the incredible
discoveries we've made.
And joining us were
several high-profile guests,
including my former boss
from the UAP Task
Force, Jay Stratton.
Jay is a retired army
intelligence officer
who oversaw Robert
Bigelow's investigation
of Skinwalker Ranch for
the federal government
in the early 2000s.
A good leader brings
and surrounds themselves
with the experts that can
answer the questions, right?
And so, I brought
in Dr. Eric Davis,
who was part of EarthTech
and part of the original
DIA UFO program.
BRANDON: Your work, Dr. Davis,
laid the foundation,
in many respects,
for what we are doing today.
Thank you.
Dr. Eric Davis is
an astrophysicist
with 40 years of government
and private sector experience
in space exploration
and military intelligence.
He was also part of Robert
Bigelow's ranch investigation.
JAY: Along with him,
I've got Dr. Garry
Nolan, who participated
- through the DIA program years...
- Yeah.
And into the UAP Task Force.
TRAVIS: Dr. Garry Nolan
is a professor at
Stanford University
and worked with me and Jay on
the government's UAP Task Force
to investigate unidentified
aerial phenomena
that many of our
military members
have reported
encountering in recent years
across the globe and
even on Skinwalker Ranch.
JAY: And Mr. Eric Schrock,
who is an aerospace expert and
one of those guys I call
when I need some help
when it comes to
advanced technologies.
ERIC: I have a
in the development of
advanced aerospace systems.
And I'm really excited
to be here today
and see what all
we can find out.
- Well, we appreciate your insights.
- Thank you.
ROYSTON: And to
have General Lord here
from the Space
Command side of it is,
- you know, it's just amazing.
- LANCE: Thank you, Jim.
Lance Lord, former commander
of Air Force Space Command.
My background as commander
of Air Force Space
Command comes from
the intercontinental
ballistic m*ssile missions, uh,
nuclear strategy
work in the Pentagon.
And my job as the chairman
of OmniTeq and with support
of Brandon Fugal
and the whole team is
to make sure we
drive the resources
to help the
investigative process.
So, uh, it's great to be here.
BRANDON:
Appreciate that. I think
bringing together
a multidisciplinary
team of experts
will help us carry the
investigation forward.
Well, with that, Erik Bard,
I'm going to turn
the time to you.
You know, just to set the
stage for the discussion,
we're talking about particularly
interesting data where we're
seeing things happen with
our instrumentation
that has indicated
what I would say is a
structure in the data itself.
We've been calling
that "the bubble."
I've created a conceptual
model of the bubble.
Let me bring it up.
This is derived from lidar data
from Pete Kelsey's
terrestrial laser scanner.
GARRY: Wow.
- LANCE: Hmm.
- GARRY: How big across?
And how far above the ranch?
It's about 2,000 feet.
Okay.
TRAVIS: Of all the crazy
things we've discovered
over the past six years,
a massive, invisible bubble,
which we have
repeatedly detected
with infrared lidar devices,
covering a huge
area of the ranch
above and below the
ground is at the top of the list.
It encompasses several hot spots
where we've seen tons of UAPs...
- You seeing this?
- Yes.
And detected strange
radio frequency signals
that may actually be
communication signals.
Whatever this thing is, it
appears to have stopped
numerous instruments,
including drones and rockets,
from entering its
barriers to collect data.
And we've speculated
that the area at its center,
which is right at the strange
spot we call "the triangle,"
has prevented our devices
from collecting GPS data
inside the bubble and even
above it up to about 3,200 feet.
One of the questions
that keeps coming up is,
what happens if we
attempt to energize
the interior and the
barriers of this bubble
with a lot of thermal energy?
Would it respond to
something that we do?
Particularly, if it's
very energetic?
Well, that was our target
for the final experiment.
- KALEB: Holy crap.
- TRAVIS: A few days ago,
we welcomed a team
of pyrotechnic experts
to create massive fireballs
that produced mushroom clouds
followed by perfect smoke rings
at the center of and
along the bubble's barriers.
As the smoke rings
rose from the ground
up to as much as 300 feet high,
thermal camera expert Dave Mason
used his specialized cameras
to see how the smoke rings
were affected by the bubble.
KEVIN: The smoke rings are
completely different than
what we normally see.
TRAVIS: During the experiment,
a number of the
smoke rings seemed
to have been affected
by strange things
we couldn't see
with the naked eye.
So we were eager to share
surveillance and drone videos
with our guest experts
while we assessed other data
that we captured
during the experiment.
So, I'm gonna
show us one of those
detonations there
at the triangle.
Let's watch what happens
to a detonation
that should produce
a mushroom cloud
and a fully formed
ring but does not.
- CAMERON: Wow.
- ROYSTON: Look at that.
ERIK: Look at... look
at the shape of this.
TRAVIS: It's really strange.
It should be a perfect circle,
but something turned
it into a figure eight.
And this completely
shocked the expl*sives crew.
ERIK: It's certainly
suggestive that
that expl*si*n, or
that mushroom cloud,
was interacting with
something on the way up.
- Yeah.
- Right.
ERIC: So, did you notice
another type of
phenomena somewhere else
at the same time
these were going on?
Yes.
ERIK: This is a
great segue because
I have an example of a
surveillance camera positioned
east of the triangle
that captured
something above the bubble.
Let's watch this.
- GARRY: That thing in the middle?
- ERIK: Yes.
- BRANDON: There it is.
- ERIC: Wow.
TRAVIS: Where did it go?
'Cause those are the only clouds
- in the sky right there.
- ERIK: Right.
I'll play it again.
TRAVIS: Immediately
after the fireball expl*si*n,
a bright white UAP
showed up out of thin air.
Is that what caused
the smoke ring
to go from a perfect
circle, as it normally should,
to an odd figure eight?
And if so, did it come
from the bubble?
So we did some
of this in the day
so we could watch
the smoke ring easily
and then again at night
with, uh, you know,
infrared instruments.
ERIK: Let's watch what happens.
Two simultaneous detonations.
TRAVIS: Now look how
they look completely
different as they form.
CAMERON: Fascinating.
ERIK: And then here, during this
moment, we saw something seeming
to sweep across the
ridgeline of the mesa
in what we call a differential
FLIR camera system.
And I want to put
your eyes on this.
This is a thermographic system
that is looking at
temperature changes
in the field of
view of the camera.
And you'll see
areas of brightness
moving across the
ridgeline of the mesa.
TRAVIS: Yeah, you can see it.
- So, it's that yellow?
- TRAVIS: Kind of snaking across?
It moves across, right?
ERIK: Yes. That yellow
line indicates increased heat.
And just as curiously, it's
moving from left to right.
This is really interesting.
It's-it's fascinating.
Uh, yeah, interestingly enough,
right before, we saw two UAPs
headed west towards
Homestead Two.
DAVE: Hey, Erik, come here
- and take a look at this.
- ERIK: Yeah, sure.
TRAVIS: Seconds before
the thermal energy appeared
to sweep across the mesa,
two UAPs showed up in
one of our thermal cameras
and flew west across
the top of the mesa
and over the drill site
towards Homestead Two.
They were stunning.
But they may have been connected
to another even stranger event.
Okay, so, Sam, I'm
going to bring up your data,
- and I want you to talk us through it.
- Sure.
So, we have multiple data sensor
locations throughout the ranch.
We call them the
multiphysics boxes.
And if you see the map in
the upper left-hand corner,
that shows you the positions
of the fixed GPS sensors
set up at each
of these locations.
What you're seeing in
the upper left-hand corner
is Homestead Two.
Right now we're just talking
about these GPS sensors.
- I see.
- SAM: Now watch what appears
to happen to this GPS sensor
while we were experiencing
that thermal anomaly.
- JIM: Oh, wow.
- THOMAS: Wow.
ERIK: So, remember, these
are stationary GPS trackers.
- What?
- Look at that.
BRANDON: And this is happening
in tandem with this
thermal anomaly?
Yes.
This is... That's-that's
- a couple miles.
- THOMAS: That's at least
- three miles due north.
- Yeah.
Oh. Oh, it keeps going, guys.
Just watch.
TRAVIS: Where is it taking us?
TRAVIS: Where's the GPS going?
ERIK: About 20
miles to the north.
JIM: Geez.
It looks like it was
being pushed away
- from something.
- Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
TRAVIS: Just after we set
off two explosions last week
near the western
boundary of the bubble,
one of our thermal cameras
picked up two UAPs flying
over the mesa towards
Homestead Two.
But then the data from
a stationary GPS sensor
near Homestead Two
inexplicably began moving north
for nearly 20 miles.
The sensor never actually moved.
So how did the GPS data
think it was moving away?
Did the UAPs we
saw heading that way
somehow move the GPS data?
Or was it the bubble or its
boundary that caused this?
ERIK: Yeah, so, we're
encountering these
exceptional events in and
around this bubble structure.
Uh, let me just put it back up.
TRAVIS: When we take instruments
through this bubble boundary,
the instruments act up.
Sometimes we get corrupted data.
Sometimes we get
strange measurements
that the instrument
shouldn't be giving us.
For example, with GPS,
it thinks it's miles away
- from where it is.
- ERIK: Yeah, and we're talking
about something
that is repeatable.
Yes.
ERIK: Every time we do
uh, any kind of experimentation,
we have our standard set of
equipment, sensors and so forth.
And we've really been pressing
drone platforms into service.
And, you know, Jim Royston
is very often piloting the drone.
And in this region
that you see here
colored in red in the
western bubble boundary,
that being Homestead
Two, you know, we've had
very strange things happen.
- Would you like to describe that, Jim?
- Yeah, so,
I'll talk about one incident.
Flying the drone from the
west side of Homestead Two
through the western
side of the boundary,
the drone gets
to this, you know,
boundary or this membrane,
and it was just like
something stopped it.
KALEB: Yeah. It's
as if it was caught
by something in midair.
Uh-oh.
TRAVIS: What happened
to Jim's drone this year
when he tried to fly it through
the western
boundary of the bubble
was one of the most bizarre
events we've ever witnessed.
ROYSTON: You see
that? Every time I try
to push through the
barrier, look what happens.
THOMAS: It's like
it's pushing you back.
TRAVIS: The drone
stayed frozen there in the air.
But when we reviewed the video,
somehow it thought it got
pushed more than 200 feet away,
just like what happened
with the GPS data
from our smoke ring experiment.
That is not wind.
THOMAS: No. There's no way.
Okay, so now I want to
show you another place
where our anomalies
tend to cluster.
The location you see here
bordering on the Dry Gulch Creek
in the south field near the
southern boundary of the bubble.
TRAVIS: The south field is
one of the strangest places
on the ranch and is where
we've encountered all kinds
of disturbing phenomena.
Whoa! What was that
purple light over there?
TRAVIS: Like UAPs...
According to the GPS,
you're 5,000 feet underground.
TRAVIS: That's crazy, man.
Erroneous GPS data...
THOMAS: Look at those fangs.
TRAVIS: We got a
dead animal right here!
And even the carcass of a
mysterious wolflike creature
that we found in
Dry Gulch Creek.
But this year,
when we investigated
the southern boundary
of the bubble near the creek,
we were totally stunned
by what we found.
ERIK: So, Travis, I think
it would be appropriate
to talk about what
we've experienced
- this year with the river walk.
- TRAVIS: Yeah.
Well, you know,
we started right there
where the bubble, uh,
crosses Dry Gulch Creek.
We took kayaks and
instrumented them with GPS,
gamma ray detection
equipment, we had a sonar,
TriField meters, and
as we moved down
the creek, those TriField
meters went to zero
and maintained that measurement
without fluctuating at all.
Guess what the dadgum
TriField meter's reading right now.
- THOMAS: What?
- Zero, zero.
As we approached the
barrier of the bubble, first,
the gauges on our radiation
detectors went to zero.
Any normal environment
should yield small readings
for radiation.
It was like we were in
some kind of dead zone.
And then the data
from our GPS sensors
dove deep below the ground.
ERIK: Jim, I'd like
to have you comment
about the experiences
that you've had
in this part of
the, uh, the ranch.
ROYSTON: Yeah,
and in particular,
the day you were doing
the river walk, I was
ten feet outside the
bubble with my base station,
flying the drone
just outside of it.
And we got just enormous
amounts of anomalous activity.
[drone playing indistinct
automated message]
TRAVIS: After
what we experienced
with the instruments
in our kayaks,
we had Jim see if
he would be able
to fly his drone through the
southern barrier of the bubble.
-[beeping] -Okay, this is an
interesting one, everybody.
It thinks there's an
aircraft approaching
and doesn't want to
go do its flight plan.
TRAVIS: It was
just unbelievable.
The drone was
reporting a warning signal
that some kind of
aircraft was nearby.
But there was nothing
that we could see.
So, was it the bubble's
barrier that the drone detected,
or maybe an invisible UAP
that came from the bubble?
How many, uh,
different instruments
have exhibited an anomalous
response to the bubble?
- Lord.
- [laughter]
- All of 'em.
- Uh, every one we have.
Every single instrument
we've got, I think.
ERIK: That's not
an exaggeration.
Anything technological
seems to respond
to this membrane
or bubble boundary.
GARRY: So, how tight
- is the boundary?
- TRAVIS: We don't know.
And we don't know
that it's not fluctuating,
or it may be
rippling irregularly.
So we really don't know.
BRANDON; Also, there is
some correlation, it appears,
between the bubble
and the potential
unidentified aerial
phenomena or UFO activity
that seems to appear
above this ranch
simultaneous with
experimental activity.
TRAVIS: Yes, like
what we saw during
the laser experiments
with Nu-Salt, right?
Absolutely. We've
literally energized
the bubble with this
laser beam current,
- and we see a reaction.
- Wow.
ERIK: Okay, so
let's take a look.
ERIK: Okay, so
let's take a look.
TRAVIS: This is from
the laser experiments
with Nu-Salt, right?
Yes. We talked about
energizing the bubble.
You know, dump some
energy into this thing,
like we did with those
expl*sive detonations.
And the idea is that
we may see changes.
TRAVIS: We had six sets of
red, blue and green
two-kilowatt lasers
that put beams up into
the air from east to west,
beaming up through
and across the bubble.
And we actually had
something fly through
- one of the lasers.
- That's right.
TRAVIS: In order to see how
different colored laser beams
might be affected when they
were projected through the bubble,
a team from Nu-Salt Lasers
set up 18 laser cannons
all around the ranch.
We're going to
turn the lasers on.
- Whoa.
- TIM: Right there.
ROYSTON: Whoa. We
got something moving.
TRAVIS: After a
UAP appeared right
at the start of the experiment,
a number of the laser cannons
started malfunctioning
and shutting off
for no explainable reason.
But then a member
of the Nu-Salt team,
who was stationed at
the drill site, snapped
one of the most
incredibly timed photos
we've ever seen on
Skinwalker Ranch.
Oh, what is that?
A UAP actually flying
through one of the lasers.
So, did the UAPs we
saw that night come
from inside the bubble
and cause all those
equipment malfunctions?
BRANDON: We are documenting
technology and
manipulation of our systems
that really has no
easy explanation.
- Correct?
- Right.
We better hope
it's aliens, right?
- Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
- 'Cause if it's our near peers,
then they've got a
capability that we don't have.
LANCE: These are
serious questions.
- TRAVIS: Yep.
- I mean, really serious.
Even more reason why we
need to do what we're doing.
ERIK: So, let's go
to the eastern boundary
of this bubble structure
and talk about what
we've experienced
in our engagement here.
So, we had a...
what we call helikite.
It's a, a helium ballon
that's also affixed
to a kitelike fixture.
DILLON: Little bit more.
TRAVIS: The helikite
was an attempt
to take a sustained
collection of data
in the barrier of the bubble.
Thomas towed it on
a UTV and parked it
at an altitude of about 200
feet right in the eastern barrier.
There, it was
collecting GPS data
and transmitting a
radio frequency signal
at 1.2 gigahertz for us to
monitor for interference.
ERIK: Oh, oh, oh. Oh.
TRAVIS: Well, first, our GPS
data somehow got pushed
several hundred
feet underground,
just like we've seen at other
parts of the bubble's barrier.
And then we detected a
second 1.2 gigahertz signal...
Wow. Look at that.
As if something
had cloned our signal
and sent it back at us.
Who or what could
have done that?
That was unbelievable.
You know, just...
The behavior was
completely crazy.
TRAVIS: During this experiment,
we set rockets up
there and launched them
due west to fly
through the barrier.
ROYSTON: It really looked
like there is some
kind of shield there.
TRAVIS: We could
hardly believe it
when the bubble's
barriers seemed
to stop Jim Royston's
drone from entering it.
But during this
helikite experiment,
it appeared to do the
same thing to our rockets.
The first one that we
launched at the bubble
turned and flew north
around the perimeter.
Rocket's hot.
Oh, look out! It
went the wrong way!
And the second rocket
looked like it was deflected
in the opposite direction
and flew to the south.
What is this thing?
ERIK: I got some
interesting hits
in the high-speed cameras.
TRAVIS: We still
don't know that answer.
But when we checked our
high-speed camera video
taken during the
experiment, once again
we captured images of something
that may be connected to it.
That is just unbelievable.
The bubble... it's
bizarre. Extremely bizarre.
Let me tell you how I
get my head around this.
I say, either there is something
about this bubble that
is affecting the rocket,
or it is affecting the
things, like, perhaps UAPs,
that affect the rocket.
I think poking
the hornet's nest,
which we all kind of
chuckled about initially,
has led us to having
hard, actionable data...
- Yeah.
- Documenting the reality
of what we're seeing.
TRAVIS: You know,
we've taken so many data points
around the periphery,
inside, outside the bubble.
Uh, I can't wait
till you guys really
see us start painting that more.
BRANDON: Well, we're using
some of the most advanced
scientific equipment
in service to
mapping this anomaly,
and something is happening.
GARRY: What's the next set
of preliminary data that needs
to be created moving forward?
So, where the boundary crosses
the driveway on
the east side here,
we started right
there placing poles
every 42 and a half
meters from each other.
We start at the
driveway. That's post one.
And the idea,
at least for future reference,
is that each one of these posts
that are numbered has
a sensor packet on it,
real time, always monitoring.
ERIK: Gentlemen, I mentioned
at the outset of our meeting
that, you know, there
were basically two kinds
of deliverables coming
out of our work this year.
There is the
measurement side of things,
the observational
side of things,
but also a very physical side.
There is one
location in particular
that we've been
focusing on, as you know,
and this is what we
refer to as the drill site.
BRANDON: The drilling activity
has been a key aspect
of our investigation
and our focus, spanning years,
to unearth what really
lies beneath the mesa.
We inherited a narrative
of all kinds of underground
features below the ranch.
Everything from
vast tunnel systems
to even as far as
underground bases.
And we have gone exploring,
looking for something
that might fit
this description.
And what happened instead was
our drill ended up
hitting a hard object
that we didn't anticipate.
THOMAS: At the mesa drill site,
our drill ended up hitting
a hard object that
we didn't anticipate.
ERIK: I could actually
bring up a visual
of that ground-penetrating
radar data.
So, if you look
right at this picture
that Erik's got up here,
this is what the GPR
data tells us is in the mesa.
ERIC: Hmm. Wow.
THOMAS: We determined
the best route would be,
rather than trying to destroy
the object that we're trying
to study, it would
be better to go
up each side of it.
TRAVIS: For the
last three years,
we've been drilling
into the mesa,
where we detected what
appears to be a massive object
that's surrounded by a
number of smaller anomalies.
And after finding
manufactured metal flakes
in the drilling
spoils back in 2021,
we devised a plan to create
two boreholes on either side
of the large object
that would run all the
way up through the mesa.
Then we could insert
scanning devices to better study
what these buried
things actually are.
Check that out.
TRAVIS: Despite a lot of
strange drilling malfunctions,
we were able to complete
Borehole 1 last year.
But things got a lot crazier
and even more amazing this year
as we drilled Borehole 2.
So it's great to be able to
show other scientific experts
what we found this year
and see what they think.
We ended up finding, uh,
metal flakes in the spoils
that came out of the mesa.
ERIK: You know, the
analysis of these flakes
suggests that they have
some very interesting
trace elements in them.
TRAVIS: Yeah, the material
was mostly tellurium on one
side and europium on the other.
Also, there's vanadium in it.
And what's interesting is,
the metals appeared to be
most likely manufactured
in a blast furnace.
So how did those things get
hundreds of feet
inside the mesa?
How far inside the mesa?
THOMAS: As best as we can
gauge, somewhere between
the mesa horizontally.
That's remarkable.
- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
TRAVIS: And it's almost
like something crashed
there in the mesa
and created all these
little debris chunks.
That's what this
GPR data looks like.
ERIC: So, what you're finding
makes absolutely no
sense. It is truly anomalous.
- Yeah.
- THOMAS: Well,
as we continue those
drilling exercises,
we hit something that
actually broke the drill
- in Borehole 2.
- That's right.
The drill rod hit something,
and they couldn't move forward,
and they put, like,
against it for 30 minutes
and it didn't move.
ERIK: Frankly, we don't know
what the heck it is
that's turning this...
see, this is a
brand-new drill bit...
into this, or I should say this.
Wow, that thing is damaged.
KYLE: Holy crap, dude.
Tooth is almost completely gone.
TRAVIS: As the team from
Mark Construction Drilling
worked on Borehole 2,
at several different
spots, they hit
obstructions that
destroyed their drill bits.
These bits are designed to
cut through steel and granite.
KYLE: It's completely
- welded shut.
- It's friction-welded.
- Mm-hmm.
- That's crazy.
And when Borehole 2 finally
reached almost 470 feet in,
the drill hit something
that actually caused
the bit to wear down
and fuse to the drill rod
like they were welded together.
But the weird thing
is, is the beacon
stayed at 73 degrees
the whole time.
TRAVIS: But here's
the really crazy thing.
The friction needed to
cause that kind of damage
should have heated the drill bit
up to over 2,000 degrees,
but it came out completely
cool to the touch.
Something very strange
had absorbed all that heat.
Take a look at these.
The drillers have never
seen anything like this.
They said they've
never seen that, ever.
Did anything interesting
come out of the sludge
of the drill when it was
impacting that at
that point in time?
TRAVIS: Yes, it did. We hired
an archaeologist to
set up professional
sifting areas.
And so, he actually, uh,
can tell us all about it. Chris?
Uh, my name's Chris
Roberts. I'm an archaeologist,
local archaeologist in
the Uinta Basin area.
Right in the 472 mark,
they had hit a really hard spot,
and once I got those
spoils cleaned up,
then I actually noticed
ceramics that are
undeniable material evidence
that something is in the
mesa that is not natural.
Wow.
Very interesting.
So, these are some of the
specimens that we've collected.
Uh, some of the
ceramic materials.
I've, I've enclosed them
in these coin holders,
and we'll just pass those
down so you can have a look.
In certain respects,
it appears to be
a rather normal
- ceramic composition.
- TRAVIS: Yep.
BRANDON: What led you
to believe that this material
is indeed manufactured?
TRAVIS: Well, when you measure
the thickness, it's almost exact
over the entire
volume of the material,
which suggests it was machined,
molded, or pressed or something
because it's very uniform.
- It's mind-blowing.
- ERIK: Yes.
So, let me bring up an image.
This is, of course, a scanning
electron microscope image
of the feature that I think
stood out the most to us.
TRAVIS: So, if you
look at the image,
you can see what appears
to be a crosshatching pattern.
And under the scanning
electron microscope,
there seems to be
even more detail.
Now, this is the
interesting thing.
ERIK: This is a live recording.
It's been accelerated a bit.
This area here was
the area exposed
to the electron beam
for an extended time.
TRAVIS: See how,
with the exposure,
you see the change
in the surface?
- ERIC: Wow.
- TRAVIS: Almost instantly, you start seeing holes
open up.
It's almost like if you
take a really dried sponge
and you put it in water.
It expands and opens up.
- JIM: Wow.
- BRANDON: This is amazing.
Now, when we turned
the electron beam
off and let it set
for several minutes,
it goes back to the
exact same state
that it is at the beginning
before exposure.
ROYSTON: Look at that.
Oh, my gosh.
TRAVIS: Now, since this is a
reversible process, it does suggest
it's a topology, a
geometry that's changing
on its surface.
- It can transform.
- BRANDON: Wow.
I have a great
deal of experience
in materials characterization,
and I have never
seen anything like this.
It's very unusual.
GARRY: Are there any
materials in the last
few hundred years that would
look like this, especially
from the local basin?
No, there's
nothing like this, uh,
in the area or anywhere
that would match it.
ERIC: This is real,
tangible evidence
of a physical
thing, and you have
several pieces of it, right?
TRAVIS: Yes. There's even more.
ROYSTON: We're just
scratching the surface
of the material, literally.
TRAVIS: We did a lot of
testing with this material,
as you can guess.
Yes.
TRAVIS: After all
the incredible results
our team has gotten
from testing the
ceramic materials
that came out of the
mesa on Skinwalker Ranch,
it was pretty validating
to see the reactions
of other renowned scientists.
But we were just getting
to the most fascinating part.
We still aren't
sure what it means.
We ran some other experiments
which were even more surprising.
We dropped the ceramic
over a magnet after
freezing it in liquid nitrogen,
and it did hover
like the Meissner effect.
That suggests this could
be a superconductor.
So you're gonna
freeze the sample?
- Yes.
- Yes.
A couple weeks ago,
while running
additional lab tests
on the ceramic material
at Utah Valley University,
we placed a sample in a dish
of -320 degree
Fahrenheit liquid nitrogen.
Notice how it's
still boiling off?
TRAVIS: Now, a normal ceramic
would have cooled
down almost immediately.
But this stuff wouldn't
cool down at all,
and the liquid nitrogen kept
boiling for several minutes.
It's still boiling away,
man. Look at that.
We couldn't believe the
heat capacity of this thing.
- BRIAN: Here we go.
- TRAVIS: See it?
- Oh, wow.
- TRAVIS: You see it?
- It did drift.
- It did drift.
When it did finally cool down,
we put a magnet
under another dish
and placed the ceramic right
over the center of the magnet.
It literally pushed itself away,
meaning it repelled
the magnetic field.
This is called the
Meissner effect
and suggests that these
ceramics could be superconductors.
Superconductors are
cutting-edge materials
that scientists are
researching and developing
because they have the
ability to conduct energy
without any resistance.
Because of that and
their ability to repel
a normal magnetic field,
some scientists believe
that one day superconductors
could be used to make vehicles
and even spacecraft with
advanced propulsion systems
that don't require rocket fuel.
Is it possible that the
ceramics we found
in the drilling spoils
are superconductors
and are covering whatever
the objects are inside the mesa?
BRANDON: Gentlemen,
what would this
mean for science?
It could have very, very
wide-reaching implications.
It could possibly unlock
new methods of propulsion
and energy that we
haven't understood yet.
We get the majority
of our energy
from burning things,
and something like
this could really set us
on a completely different
course for the future,
which I think is
one of the things
that's so exciting about it.
Yeah.
I can't say that much
better than he did,
but I can essentially say
that this type of material would
contribute
advancements to photonic
and electronic materials
technologies and
take us into new directions
that we haven't imagined yet.
TRAVIS: Well, it's
an amazing find.
When we took the samples
and had them analyzed,
we did a scanning electron
microscope elemental analysis
and based on the
materials that is in it,
it looks a lot like the ceramic
tiles on the space shuttle.
That's remarkable.
ERIK: In fact,
whatever it is that's
concealed within that mesa,
all of our fragments that
have been retrieved indicate
that they may once have
been part of a structure.
TRAVIS: So, hopefully
we'll get to the bottom
of it and we'll learn more
about what's-what's in the mesa.
I'm wanting to be
cautious that we don't
damage that which
may lie within the mesa.
Chris,
do you have any advice
or direction for us
as we protect the
integrity of this dig site
and prepare for this next year?
Um, you know,
preliminarily, I've been looking
at what I would propose
for an excavation.
The actual artifacts
seem to start right about where
we get to that
intact bedrock level.
So I propose we come
from the top of the mesa...
make it safe,
and then we can go
and excavate that way
right in through the
front of the mesa.
I do believe we'll
find plenty more
ceramics in there
and then we'll find
whatever else might
be in the mesa as well.
BRANDON: We've
not only seen physical,
tangible evidence
of something unusual
going on inside the mesa,
but we're also documenting
for the first time some of
the anomalies that confirm
the existence of the
bubble above the property.
Now we need to find the
answers to why it exists
on Skinwalker Ranch.
Well, gentlemen, in light
of the incredible discoveries
that have been made at
Skinwalker Ranch most recently
and the direction
that we're heading,
we have engaged
with a sister
company to OmniTeq.
A sister company who is
a SpaceX integrator...
Oh, wow.
That will aid us
in our investigation
and take this research
to the next level.
BRANDON: This coming year
we'll place a
satellite in orbit.
A satellite that
will specifically
focus on the ranch
and take our investigation
to the next level.
So, with that,
I'd like to introduce
Chad Brinkley, the
CEO of SEOPS, in.
- Hey, Chad. Welcome.
- Thank you, Brandon.
CHAD: Thank you,
Brandon, for having me.
Gentlemen.
TRAVIS: Now, this
is pretty awesome.
Ranch owner Brandon
Fugal, Jim Royston,
Sam Deriso, and their
colleagues at OmniTeq
have arranged with a
space exploration company
known as SEOPS
for a satellite to be
launched into orbit
on one of SpaceX's Falcon 9
rockets in the coming months.
And it's going to be
dedicated to helping us
in our investigation
on Skinwalker Ranch.
CHAD: I got the
call from Brandon
and Jim on this
exciting opportunity
to fly a satellite to space
under a very
aggressive timeline.
ROYSTON: Yes. From space
to ground and air,
we have a capability
to push data up, pull data down.
That's our goal.
CHAD: Yes. So, this is
a Skinwalker Ranch satellite.
This will be a 6U spacecraft.
While small, you can put a lot
of capability in
a 6U spacecraft.
TRAVIS: A 6U CubeSat
is a class of
miniaturized satellites.
These compact units are designed
to carry various
instruments, cameras,
and other space-related
technologies.
ROYSTON: Over the
next several months,
we will put together
what each component we
could squeeze onto this thing
and have mission success with.
ERIK: Pretty amazing.
TRAVIS: We've
detected so many strange
energy signals, anomalies,
and even UAPs between 30
feet and 10,000 feet in the air.
But using rockets,
drones and helicopters
to try and pinpoint
where they're coming from
is very limited.
Having a 6U satellite in space
that will pass over Skinwalker
Ranch once every day
will give our team
incredible capabilities
to search for the source
of all the phenomena
that we keep
encountering on the ranch.
Now we can send
all kinds of signals,
GPS data, and more from
the ground to space and back,
scouring the entire
range in an instant.
This could lead to major
revelations about the bubble
and all the things we've
seen across the ranch.
BRANDON: Well,
we'll look forward
to the weeks ahead, planning
and making this a successful
addition to our
expanded scientific
platform and effort.
CHAD: Yeah. Well, we
appreciate you having us, Brandon.
- BRANDON: Thank you so much.
- Yes, sir.
Really excited about how
the next year's investigation
will come about, and when
we're sitting around this table
a year from now,
I'm confident that we will
achieve some great things.
I'm excited. I
look forward to it.
And it's going to be unfolding
some more information,
and hopefully we'll have
some questions answered,
and I know, in science,
we'll have more
questions unanswered,
so...
I mean, this summer's
investigation was amazing.
I'm thinking, okay,
what's next, right?
What's the ranch
going to show us?
ERIC: Well, I think we grow
as a society
from a technological standpoint
when we directly
confront the unknown.
GARRY: What I find
so fascinating about
Skinwalker Ranch is that
all of the people who are here
and the people before...
Bigelow, et cetera...
have created this environment
where science has taken root.
What you guys... Travis, Erik,
and everybody
else... uh, have done
is you've created data
that allows us to start
to think about conclusions,
and that really excites me.
Well, with that, let's
open a new chapter,
look forward
to, uh, our future discussions
and collaboration in carrying
this investigation forward.
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
BRANDON: Onward.
ERIK: With each season,
we see an evolution
of our understanding of
the ranch phenomenon.
Our thoughts about
what we're engaging with
change sometimes radically,
even with the results
of just one experiment.
I think it would be an
understatement to say
that our findings this
year indicate that we have
a lot more ground
and sky to cover.
TRAVIS: I've spent most
of my life studying science
and theory around
the kind of phenomena
that we keep encountering
on Skinwalker Ranch.
Heck, I've even
written a bunch of
science fiction novels
about this crazy stuff.
So being a part of this team is
absolutely a dream come true,
and I can't wait to see
what the next chapter
of our investigation
is going to reveal.
BRANDON: Skinwalker Ranch is
different than any other investigation
in history, simply because we've
brought together
a diverse group of experts
and scientists to aid
the investigation beyond
what anyone could have
imagined in years past.
As we conclude
this historic year,
more than ever before,
the world's attention
is focused on Skinwalker Ranch.
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06x14 - Meeting of the Minds
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Series that follows a team investigating Skinwalker Ranch, located in Uintah County, Utah, United States.
Series that follows a team investigating Skinwalker Ranch, located in Uintah County, Utah, United States.