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02x04 - The Mob: How E Busted the Bull

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02x04 - The Mob: How E Busted the Bull

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MAN: Shake this square world

and blast off for Kicksville.

NIXON: America's public enemy

number one is drug abuse.

NANCY: Just say no.

MAN: The Mafia is a major

player in the international

drug underworld.

MAN 2: At the end of the day,

it's all about the dollar.

It's all about the dollar.

REAGAN: American people want

the Mob and its associates

brought to justice

and their power broken.

HARRIS: There's now an

understanding that the w*r on

drugs was an abject failure.

MAN: You have to stop

and ask yourself,

"How did we get here?"

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SHAUN: The first time I took

ecstasy was in Manchester,

thinking, what is this?

This is pretty boring.

Then, all of a sudden, my

knees just completely buckled,

and time just started

to stand still.

RAVER: Woo!

SHAUN: The whole room

is just throbbing,

and everybody is

dancing and the music's

just pulsing into my head.

All these beeps

and weird noises,

like signals from outer space

that I didn't understand are

now completely making sense.

I never wanted the party

to end after that night.

Raving became my religion.

I'm Shawn Attwood,

known as one of the

biggest ecstasy traffickers

in the US rave scene.

My local nickname

was English Shaun.

I was up against one

of the Cosa Nostra's

most notorious K*llers.

As a young person,

I set a goal to be

a millionaire by age 30.

"Greed is Good" was my mantra.

I flew out to Arizona because

it had dazzled me as a teenager.

The plane comes in, and

you're looking out the window,

and you're seeing

all these swimming pools

in people's backyards.

The sun's always shining.

It's almost 50 degrees

in the summer and,

as soon as they hear

the English accent,

they roll out the red carpet.

But the rave scene

was barely starting.

They didn't even know

what ecstasy was,

so there was this huge

gap in the market.

(cheering).

When I threw my first rave,

looking down at all the

ravers just going off,

with the strobe lights pulsing,

I knew that this was

my calling in life.

RAVER: It's quarter

to six in the morning.

SHAUN: As an experiment,

I decided to order

1,000 pills out of LA.

All this stuff goes

in one weekend.

I've made thousands of

dollars, just like that.

Partying my a*s off.

And that was when I decided

to go full time trafficking.

KAREN: One thing about my

father, he is a businessman,

outside of being a gangster.

Some people call it a

racketeer, whatever,

I say he was a businessman

because he knew business.

He's gonna make money.

My name's Karen Gravano.

I'm the daughter of Salvatore

"Sammy the Bull" Gravano.

He was the under boss of the

Gambino organized crime family,

which was the most powerful

organized crime family

in New York City.

MAN: Gravano was a mean,

vicious, horrible person.

ANCHOR: Better known

as "Sammy the Bull",

a man who pleaded

guilty to 19 murders.

KAREN: My father was

released from prison is 1995.

The FBI wanted him to go

into witness protection,

so he agreed.

He went into the program.

GEORGE: Being a

cooperator, and then,

the witness

protection program,

and walking away

from the Mafia life,

very few of them

can succeed at it.

It is an enormously

difficult task.

KAREN: There's so

many restrictions.

He wasn't able to talk

to us because we didn't

go in the program,

so he signed himself out,

and he joined my mother

and my brother in Arizona.

My father's main thing

was construction.

He loved construction.

He started a company

called Marathon Development,

which, in New York,

he actually had

Marathon concrete.

He was in the office every

day trying to build this

company from the ground up,

legitimately

creating a business.

He wasn't "Sammy the Bull"

anymore.

He wasn't Salvatore Gravano,

he was Jimmy Moran.

That was the identity

the government gave him.

SHAUN: Ecstasy was going

for $25 to $30 a pill.

I started to source them from

Holland for $2 or $3 a pill.

SHAUN: My smugglers would

bring them over and they went

from Holland to France to

Mexico City to Hermosillo,

and over the border

into Arizona.

The most anyone ever brought

on one of those missions

was 40,000 pills.

SHAUN: By 1999 we were

a multi-million-dollar

international ecstasy

smuggling ring.

ANCHOR: Use of the

designer drug, ecstasy,

is rising at an alarming rate.

ANCHOR 2: By 1999 seizures

increased 300% to three million.

RICH: Ecstasy never carried

that dirty social stigma that

methamphetamine did, or

heroin did, or cocaine did.

So, the younger generation

thought it was OK

to be taking it.

RAVER: And why not just

go a club and, you know,

be messed up?

INTERVIEWER: How old are you?

RAVER: 16.

RICH: Next thing you know,

little Johnny's not coming

home 'til the sun's coming up.

There were times when they'd

start on a Friday night,

and they'd go through Sunday.

MAN: Do you know where

your teenagers are?

This could be the night

your child ventures into a

secretive and, potentially,

dangerous world.

The world of the rave.

RICH: All of a sudden,

we start fielding calls of

complaints from

middle class families.

ANCHOR: There is

reason to be concerned.

Even one pill of ecstasy

can cause dehydration,

anxiety and exhaustion.

COPE: When my lieutenant

asked for volunteers,

there wasn't one supervisor

that wanted to volunteer for

that mission because

it wasn't one of them

sexy things to do.

We're doing cocaine,

heroin, meth, marijuana.

I'm Sergeant Jim Cope,

from the Phoenix

Police Department.

I was the junior

drug enforcement

sergeant at the time,

so I got assigned the job.

I drafted Rich Lebel.

He was our lead undercover

in the whole operation.

At the time,

the spiked-up hair with

the bleached tips were in,

so we had

him spike his hair.

We developed the strategy

to go in the raves and

actually make undercover

purchases at the raves.

RICH: You have to

dress the part,

and it's certainly not stuff

I would wear on a daily basis.

You walk inside

and, right away,

the music makes your insides

vibrate because it's so loud,

and it's thumping over

and over and over,

with strobe lights

and lights flashing.

It's all, sort of, hypnotic.

SHAUN: The vibe was peace,

love, unity and respect.

There was no violence.

There was no Scarface

level activity.

RICH: Once you were inside,

they were super trusting.

Somebody would walk by you,

and they'd ask you,

"Hey, do you need any E?"

And we would just

be making buys.

SHAUN: All of a sudden,

I received mass reports of

these guys that

stood out selling ecstasy.

These were big,

steroid head characters

in shiny polyester shirts.

I'm wondering,

who the hell are these guys?

They wanted to have

a meeting with me.

So, I sit down between

these two guys.

The friendlier one, he says,

"English Shaun, why don't you

start moving some of our pills?"

And, I say, "Look, I've

got a good reputation.

Why would we wanna be

getting your stuff?"

Then the big guy just jumps

up off the sofa and says,

"Who the (bleep) are you

disrespecting our pills."

He throws out

this name, Jimmy Moran,

and I'm not familiar

with that name, and then,

he follows it up with,

"One call to

"Sammy the Bull" and we can

have you taken out

to the desert."

Now, that stopped

me in my tracks,

because I've seen John Gotti

and Sammy "The Bull" Gravano

on the news.

These guys are the

Gambino crime family.

KAREN: I went to

dinner with my father.

I wanted to sit down

and know all the things

that I never asked before

when I was kid.

I didn't want him to be my

father and try to protect me.

I wanted him to tell

me the truth and,

for the first time

in my life, like,

my father started telling me

about the Mob, and, you know,

about the things that he did.

You know, my father was

accused of 19 murders.

I wanted to know, like,

did you k*ll someone?

What was is like?

He looked me in the

face and was, like,

"It was, honestly, a rush."

It was like an adrenalin rush,

to be able to take another life.

Um, I didn't expect

him to say that.

RICH: I was probably

a little bit shocked

that he got the five.

19 murders, five years.

How can anybody confess to

that many murders and then do

five years in prison?

MAN: I think it's clear

that "Sammy the Bull" is

a marked man.

There are Mob members

that would love to k*ll him.

There are wannabees that

would love to k*ll him just

to add to their reputation.

GEORGE: He's, basically thrown

all the rules out the window.

But the biggest one is

being omertà, right?

He's destroyed

the oath of secrecy.

"Sammy the Bull" is

now "Sammy the Rat".

He's still working with us

on cases and information.

It was in my best interest,

as the government,

to make sure that

this guy survived and

played by the rules.

(cheering).

SHAUN: With this new

breed of ecstasy dealers

infiltrating my raves,

there was this change in

the atmosphere at the party.

Pills were cut with all

kinds of toxic substances.

People were tripping.

People felt like they

were on crystal meth.

All kinds of bad

reports were coming in,

and violent episodes occurred.

When my top

ecstasy salesperson got

his teeth smashed out,

in the back of my mind then,

I'm thinking

these guys wanna

take me out to the desert.

Sammy the Bull.

You can't mess around

with people who've got

that lethal reputation.

I got so scared I moved over

100 miles to Tucson, Arizona,

to live in a gated,

guarded community.

COPE: When Rich Lebel was

up to 250 to 500 pill buys,

the suspects we were

dealing with said,

"Hey, if you guys are gonna

be players in this market,

you'd better be careful

because the New York guys

are running everything,

and you're gonna have to

pay tax on your pills to them."

Rich is from the East Coast,

and I'm from the East Coast,

and we were both, like,

New York guys.

You know, we're in

Arizona, whatever.

We didn't take it

serious at all.

You gotta realize, at the time,

The Sopranos was in.

They were all striving to be

some young gangster, you know?

Some mobster.

These are just kids talking.

DENNIS: I got a tip that

Sammy the Bull Gravano was

hanging out in Arizona under

the assumed name of Jimmy Moran.

Um, I wasn't sure exactly

how to go about this.

It's not like you got out

and interview Mafia hit men

all the time.

I found that he had a

construction company.

I drove around

Marathon Development, like,

two or three times thinking,

what am I gonna do here?

It was in a big warehouse

district of Phoenix.

Kind of, a junkie area,

and it had a little foyer,

and there was a

little bell there,

and there was nobody upfront,

at the front desk

so I rang the bell.

(ding)

And, out of the office

walks Sammy the Bull Gravano,

and he walked

straight up to me,

and he had these

shark-like eyes and he said,

"What the

(bleep) do you want?"

And, I said, "Mr. Gravano,

I wanna interview you",

and he kept saying,

"You don't know anything

about me", and I said,

"Well, I know that you're

responsible for something

like 18 homicides",

and he says, "Get your

(bleep) facts straight.

It's 19."

And that just blew me away.

He said,

"If you do this story,

people are gonna get k*lled.

It's not a good idea."

KAREN: My father just

came home from prison.

My mother and brother

bought a restaurant.

Everyone always thinks that

we picked the name "Uncle Sal"

as the best kept

secret in Scottsdale.

KAREN: When they

bought the restaurant,

it was already

called Uncle Sal's.

I mean, yes, we laughed

about it, and it was, like,

Salvatore Gravano,

Uncle Sal's.

It's ours. We're taking it.

We joke at home,

but I think my mother's

the real gangster here.

My mother's name's Debbie.

She came to Arizona

with all the money.

So she financed things,

whether it was the restaurant,

or whatever it was.

My brother, Gerard,

he was a chef working

in the restaurant.

I'd just had my daughter,

and my brother had a son,

and we were doing good.

We were working hard, we

were staying out of trouble,

and we were just really,

honestly building

our family back up.

(splash)

GEORGE: Word came back to me

that a reporter by the name of

Dennis Wagner was

gonna write a story and we

wanted to stop it.

DENNIS: My publisher was

on a cruise in the Caribbean

and a shore to

ship call was made by the

FBI trying to convince my

publisher not to

run the story.

(phone ringing)

GEORGE: You print this

story and expose this guy,

all you're gonna do

is get him k*lled.

The story's not as important

as you think it is.

This guy's life is.

(tone)

DENNIS: It was picked up by

media all over the world.

It was, kind of, an

expl*si*n in that sense.

GEORGE: We knew the Gambino

family were actively trying to

figure out where he was and

how to set up on him, and now,

all of a sudden,

they were able to

start tracking him down.

KAREN: Once that newspaper

article came out,

it made everyone

start looking at us.

That was actually the start

of everything going bad for my

family in Arizona.

All the kids that were,

you knew, Mob groupies,

or whatever you

wanna call them,

infatuated with that lifestyle.

"Oh, Sammy the Bull's here."

"Oh, his family

owns this restaurant."

And that's what drew the

attention of the wrong people.

My brother was working

in the restaurant.

This guy came in, and he

threw $1,000 on the table,

and he told Gerard, "Here,

put this in your pocket.

Come out with us tonight.

We're gonna go to the clubs.

Everything is on

me, and, by the way,

I love your father."

So, that's how Mike Papa

comes into the whole picture.

That's how this whole

ecstasy thing started.

Mike Papa was a sharp kid.

He dressed nice.

He was a good-looking kid.

He knew how to talk.

He had the New York hustle,

because he was

originally from New York.

So, Gerard, building his

friendship with Mike Papa,

started going to

clubs with him.

Gerard started seeing

that this guy's, you know,

he's selling pills,

he's selling ecstasy.

Mike Papa was a big, big

person in that rave scene.

COPE: As our investigation

was progressing,

we kept hearing the rumors

about the New York guys.

I was at the gym working out,

an acquaintance of mine said,

"Hey, do you know

anything about some kind

of crazy club drug or",

he called it a "sex drug".

He goes, "All these

young kids are, at the gym,

bragging about how much money

they're making off these pills",

and he named

Mike Papa, and he goes,

"You're not gonna believe it,

they say they're being backed

by Sammy the Bull Gravano."

RICH: When I first

started hearing about the

Gravano name being involved

in the ecstasy scene,

you know,

I said to myself,

Sammy would be crazy to get

involved in any of this stuff.

COPE: I think we

have something here.

But I've already had to

convince everybody, hey,

there's something to

this with this drug ecstasy,

you know, and now,

I'm gonna say, "I think

Sammy the Bull Gravano,

a legendary Mafia

hit man is also involved."

People would think I was crazy.

KAREN: Mike Papa started to

come into the restaurant and

my father finally met him.

My father was,

you know, "Who is this guy?"

He wasn't introduced

to my father as,

"Oh, this is our drug

dealing friend, Mike Papa,

who sells ecstasy at raves."

It's, like,

"This is our friend Mike.

He goes to ASU.

He's a college student.

He's from New York."

My father was anti-drug,

and so adamant about

Gerard and I having the

straight and narrow path,

building a life

that is unbreakable.

But, unfortunately,

we (bleep) up.

(sirens)

OFFICER: We see ecstasy

coming from Canada.

Unfortunately,

the ecstasy and Molly,

it's actually caused

death, here in Detroit.

OFFICER: Any time where

there's drugs involved,

you know, you're dealing

with a lot of money.

People tend to use g*ns.

MAN: The DJs are selling

the dope and it's coming

out of the bathroom too.

OFFICER: The door, the door.

Search warrant,

gotta go, gotta go.

Move by the door, the door.

OFFICER 2: Face down.

Face down.

Straighten your legs out.

Straighten your legs out.

Face down.

Look at the floor.

Don't be looking around.

This ain't entertainment.

Keep your hands

where I can see them.

Wanna get cuffed up?

Look at the floor.

OFFICER: You have

any g*ns on you?

MAN: No.

OFFICER: Got a g*n right here.

It was loaded.

I just cleared it.

Put your hands on the floor.

Crawl out now.

Crawl backwards.

Crawl backwards.

Now, move.

What do you have?

Coke in there.

Tried dumping the coke.

Toilet doesn't flush.

It didn't work.

Looks like a pretty good

size piece of crystal meth.

Ecstasy. Heroin. Crack cocaine.

Good job, guys.

COPE: As we were progressing

and learning that, you know,

there's a possibility

that Sammy the Bull Gravano

was involved,

I knew we were gonna have

to take it to another level,

and I said, "You know,

I'm gonna sit down with Ron."

STERRETT:

My name's Ron Sterrett,

and I was the

lead detective for the

Phoenix Police Department

in the Gravano ecstasy

trafficking investigation.

I didn't believe that Sammy

would be associating with

college kids selling

drugs, quite honestly.

I thought that was

beneath his level.

But, when we obtained

Mike Papa's phone number,

it was subscribed to

Marathon Development.

COPE: It, right away,

hit me a business that Sammy

ran back in

New York was Marathon.

STERRETT: So,

the link was created.

Mike Papa, who was involved in

ecstasy trafficking worked for

Sammy at Marathon Development.

STERRETT: When it

comes to the wire tap,

we were going to go up,

initially, on Mike Papa.

STERRETT: He was horribly

undisciplined on the phone and

would talk at

length about their drug

trafficking activities.

If the rumors were true that

Sammy Gravano's involved,

Mike Papa and Mike Papa's

phone would walk us directly

into that evidence.

STERRETT: But, actually,

the link was created

to Gerard Gravano.

KAREN: When Gerard got involved

in the ecstasy business,

all of a sudden,

it went from the Mike Papa

investigation to the

Gravano investigation,

because they realized that

this is Sammy the Bull's son.

COPE: During our wiretap I

kept seeing this light-colored

Mercury Marquis out

on surveillance.

I would always come into

the wire room and I'd say,

"Hey, I think there's

some other dudes out

there following this guy",

and, because of the

shape of the car, I'm, like,

"Maybe it's another cop?"

KAREN: My father started

feeling like people were

following him, and he said,

"Listen, I don't know

if it's the cops,

if it's people

from New York,

but I feel like

something is going on."

COPE: Everybody

told me I was crazy.

There's nobody else, and I'm,

like, "I keep seeing this car.

Something's up with this car."

GEORGE: The whole time

Sammy was out in Arizona

we knew Gotti had given

the contract on Sammy.

'He screwed us.

You gotta go get him.'

STERRETT: During the wiretap

the kids made constant

reference to "The Big Guy".

STERRETT: Every now and

again somebody would slip

and call him Sammy.

COPE: They openly referred

to Gravano, you know,

when they were trying

to feel important or

show off to their friends.

KAREN: Mike Papa is

talking about "'The Big Man'

takes 50 cents",

so he can't drop the price.

That's Mike saying,

"I'm not gonna

drop my price",

and using my

father as leverage.

"If you got a problem,

go talk to Sammy the Bull."

STERRETT: We really

believed Sammy's name

was being thrown out by

these younger kids as a

point of intimidation.

COPE: So, the

speculation was always,

are we gonna get to

Sammy the Bull Gravano?

(tone)

(dialing)

COPE: In January of 2000,

Ron Sterrett

and the investigative team

start intercepting

calls between a supplier in

California and Mike Papa.

(ringing)

COPE: As those

calls progressed,

we realized a large

shipment of 25,000 pills were

gonna be coming in from LA.

STERRETT: We knew exactly

where the exchange of money

and pills was

gonna take place.

STERRETT: They met at a

hamburger place real close to

Arizona State University.

We saw the bag of ecstasy

coming into possession

of Mike Papa.

We followed Mike Papa directly

back to Marathon Development,

and saw Mike Papa

carry the bag in.

(camera shutter)

COPE: It was just amazing how

fast those pills were gone.

They were distributed in

the Phoenix metropolitan area,

and I don't think

they lasted a week.

(busy signal)

It got frustrating because

we weren't getting the

confirmation that Sammy

was involved with this

ecstasy thing that the

kids were doing.

All of the ecstasy purchases

were being done by Mike Papa.

Gerard was right there.

He was a distributor that was

giving it to the other parties

that were going out

and selling the pills.

(ringing)

GEORGE: The whole time

I'm dealing with Sammy,

there were no indications he

was doing anything other than

running his business,

helping the family with

the Italian restaurant,

and trying to be legitimate.

I had no doubt that that's

what was going on with him.

(dialing)

(ringing)

STERRETT: That call came

in somewhere between 11:00

in the evening to

1:00 in the morning.

A normal business doesn't

pay somebody at 11:00 in the

evening for a gas receipt.

$70 for gas receipts,

we knew that that

was code for $70,000

for the ecstasy.

STERRETT: Gerard and

Mike Papa needed to ask Sammy

to front the $70,000

for the next shipment.

That brought him right into

the middle of the financing of

the ecstasy organization.

I can't believe

Gravano was so stupid to be

caught doing these types

of things with these kids.

The prosecutor came

down to the wire room and

listened to the phone call.

SAMMY: Can she

do it right away?

STERRETT: And said, "We've got

the evidence that I'm looking

for to charge Sammy."

COPE: Yeah, we got him.

We got enough.

We got enough for everybody.

This whole group is done.

KAREN: We come to find out

Gotti had sent a hit team down

to Arizona.

STERRETT: There was

a plan to k*ll Sammy where

Sammy parked his car.

The individual was set up in

a position across the street

with a high-powered r*fle.

KAREN: My father would have

never laid down lightly.

It's no secret that,

at that particular time,

he had g*ns.

If some g*n battle

was going off,

he's coming out sh**ting.

Everybody was ready for

whatever was gonna happen.

♫ ♫

COPE: There was probably

200 tactical officers at

that meeting from

different agencies.

So, I have a lot

of guys there.

They're not real happy

about being up so early.

But the attention level on

the room definitely heightened

when we told them

who was involved,

and what the case was about.

(siren)

STERRETT: We wanted to use the

cover of darkness to minimize

any potential risk to the

officers or Sammy getting

involved in a sh**ting.

STERRETT:

When they made entry,

Sammy was crawling on the

floor toward getting a g*n.

I think he thought it was

the Mob coming after him.

He surrendered,

was handcuffed,

and brought to the facility

where I was waiting for him.

COPE: He was a

really sharp guy.

I could tell he was scanning

every document he could to try

to figure out how bad

it is and what's going on.

STERRETT: I told him 'you're

being arrested for conspiracy

to distribute

dangerous drugs,

and he just kinda

leaned his head back and

closed his eyes and signed,

like, jeez, I can't

believe I got caught for this.

But, quite honestly, we feel

we saved Sammy's life by

arresting him a

few days before he was

gonna get k*lled.

REPORTER: He insisted he was a

hard-working businessman,

who had settled into his

new law-abiding life.

But a tiger doesn't

change his stripes.

REPORTER 2: And authorities

say it was a family affair.

KAREN: I made mistakes.

Did I know that there

was ecstasy being sold?

Yes.

Was I involved in,

maybe, some of the talks?

Yes.

Me and my brother,

we (bleep) up.

ANCHOR: The crime

ring, allegedly,

distributed up to 30,000 pills

a week of the drug ecstasy.

GEORGE: He beyond

stabbed us in the back,

it was betrayal.

I mean, it was the

stupidest thing he could do.

It was the worst

thing he could do.

Nobody was gonna

save him this time.

REPORTER: The turncoat who

sent so many mobsters to jail

could soon be joining them.

RICH: I was over at

Mike Papa's residence

when we arrested Mike.

I thought Mike would be one

of the ones who cooperated.

REPORTER: He might just be the

most famous snitch of all time,

but now Salvatore

"Sammy the Bull" Gravano

has had the tables turned.

GEORGE: That's the

nature of drug dealing.

People are always gonna

be ratting people out and

pointing fingers

at one another.

KAREN: Once Mike Papa started

cooperating with the government,

they threw everything at us.

They threw charges at my mother.

They threw charges at me.

They threw charges

at my brother.

My father's now boxed in.

(sighs).

You know, I don't think

people understand.

My father didn't get involved

in the drug business because

he wanted to sell drugs.

My father stepped in because

he wanted to save my brother.

His biggest fear was Gerard

was gonna get k*lled on a

drug deal gone bad, and

someone was gonna make a

name for themselves for

k*lling Sammy the Bull's son.

Family's everything

to my father.

He would never let us

jump in quicksand without

jumping in with us.

And that's why Sammy the Bull

got involved in drug dealing.

STERRETT: There was a belief,

when Sammy ultimately took

responsibility

for what he did,

that he was doing it on behalf

of his family and, certainly,

that plea agreement did

mitigate Gerard's exposure.

It certainly helped Karen out.

SAMMY: I believe you

and this court have been very

fair with me and my family,

and I appreciate it very much.

STERRETT: In my view,

a lot of the Mafia members,

despite this Godfather

script of we don't get

involved in drugs,

they get involved in drugs.

They get involved in

anything that makes money,

and drugs is an extremely

fast way to make a lot of money.

GEORGE: I mean, the fact is,

he was a m*rder*r,

but we still talk,

and I look forward to

conversations with the guy.

You know, if he

was sitting here today,

he would tell you,

straight faced,

"I wasn't a drug dealer."

You got convicted of it.