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01x03 - Trekking through the '70s - Phase II and The Motion Picture

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "The Center Seat: 55 Years of Star Trek". Aired: November 5, 2021.*
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Chronicles rare and fascinating details of how "Star Trek" began, where it's been, and how it's going where no television series has gone before.

01x03 - Trekking through the '70s - Phase II and The Motion Picture

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NARRATOR: The Star Trek

USS Enterprise gift set

with command chair, console,

three tele-screen cards

and five Star Trek

action figures.

GATES: Years after

its cancelation, the only new

Star Trek characters on TV

were about six inches tall

and made of plastic.

NARRATOR: Star Trek

action figures also

sold separately.

GATES: With no new series,

Gene Roddenberry

could only watch

as other people

got rich off his idea.

They sold $12 million

worth of toys the first year

on a toy line of

a television show that was

off the air for half a decade.

GATES: Desperate, Gene went

cap in hand to Paramount

looking for

a piece of the action.

But instead...

They said, "for $150,000

"why don't you

just buy everything"?

called, "Phase Two."

All I know is, Roddenberry

called me in one day.

They offered me this job.

GATES: Harold had just

one sci-fi credit,

but it was a doozy.

I was the story editor

on a show called Future Cop.

GATES: But now

he'd be the writer

for this perfectly-named

second Star Trek series,

"Phase Two."

We were going to do



GATES: There was just one,

rather pointy problem.

Spock was not going

to be in Phase Two.

That, sir, is illogical.

GATES: It was all

to do with differences

regarding

a chocolate breakfast cereal.

Mr. Spock!

My search for something

super chocolaty has led me here.

They let Pebbles Cereal,

have Fred and Barney

wearing pointed ears

and making quasi-Vulcan jokes.

Fascinating.

There had been legal disputes

involving royalties

from the series

involving the use

of the actors faces

in merchandising.

GATES: Nimoy refused

to sign on

until the dispute

over licensing

his image was resolved.

Ironically, the script

he passed on was called

In Thy Image.

Everyone else is,

"Yes, sign me up."

GATES: And although

the screenplay writing duties

fell to Harold...

The idea of the story

came from Alan Dean Foster.

Alan Dean Foster

has been published in

science fiction magazines

and he's written

science fiction books.

He also wrote in

the novelization books

based on

the animated Star Trek series.

Fascinating.

GATES: Well, hopefully, Harold

would make it so, as he began

working on the script.

I went home

and locked the doors

and wrote this script.

GATES: And what a script.

JOHN: There's

a supreme intelligence

on its way to Earth

to meet its creator.

The Enterprise is sent

to intercept it.

GATES: But then,

another supreme intelligence

intercepted Harold's script.

HAROLD: Roddenberry,

he said, "All right,

"you've done your job,

now I'll do mine."

And Gene Roddenberry

rewrote Harold's script.

It was about 40 pages longer

and very poor, just dreadful.

GATES: Possibly because Gene

had replaced his beloved Spock

with an inferior facsimile.

The character of Xon

was a full Vulcan.

but wanted to be

on a mostly human ship.

because he wanted to explore

the human element more.

GATES: The man lined up

to replace Spock

wasn't from Vulcan.

He was the man

from Atlantis,

Oh, not "the man"

from Atlantis,

a different one.

My list of credits

other than the theater plays

that I'd done

was the man from Atlantis.

Oh, truly,

I haven't the heart.

GATES: It was just

a humble guest spot,

but it led to this.

Will Decker.

How do you do, sir.

GATES: With so

little experience,

David was brought in for

a full make-up screen test.

to see if he had the chops...

Lieutenant, you are

erasing those tapes.

GATES:...and the ears

for the role.

Sir, if I am

to function efficiently

as science officer,

I must become

intimately familiar with

each circuit in this system.

Carry on.

Thank you, sir.

I will.

GATES: But just as

the new kid was

about to be cast,

a new kid on the block

arrived for sci-fi,

and he had people

queuing around the block

for his movie.

Mr. Roddenberry told me

that he was very wistful,

one day in 1977,

when he drove by the theater

and saw the long line

around the block

for Star Wars,

wishing that, say,

it could have been

for a Star Trek film.

GATES: Even if Paramount

was having second thoughts

about doing TV

instead of a movie,

it was too late

to change course.

When Star Wars became a hit,

they didn't want to do a movie

because they said,

"Now it's been done.

"Who needs another?"

It's a one-time thing.

GATES: Well,

then a TV series it is.

Well, that's the real trick,

isn't it?

GATES: Actually, yes,

because Paramount's plan

to turn on a fourth network

was about to be turned off.

Because no one wanted

to really commit the dollars

for a fourth network.

GATES: The TV network

was faltering,

and if Paramount thought

George Lucas was

a one-trick-pony...

They didn't think there'd be

sequels to Star Wars.

They didn't think

there would be

Close Encounters.

I want to speak

to someone in charge.

GATES:...along came a film

whose dazzling lights

proved just

how hypnotic science fiction

at the movies could be.

There was no denying it.

The big money in sci-fi

was moving into the big screen.

After seeing

Close Encounter's success,

Paramount executives

called David Gautreaux

to their offices for

a close encounter

of their own kind.

I'm brought right up

to Gene Roddenberry's office.

Now I'm in a big room,

lovely office and there's

a lot of men in this room.

GATES: Including

Paramount's top brass.

There was Jeffrey Katzenberg

and Michael Eisner

and there's Gene,

and he's got a drink

in his hand,

and he's offering me,

"What would you like, David?"

And I go,

"I happen to like bourbon."

"Pour David a bourbon."

So Gene is really the master

of ceremonies for this.

And so it was two things

going on at the same time.

"David, congratulations.

You are our Xon.

"Hurrah!" A big toast.

I'm so happy,

I'm standing there.

Now we have another announcement

we want to make

with all of you here.

"We're going to be

a motion picture."

GATES: So not a TV show.

A movie, again.

Huzzah!

GATES: And so now,

All they had to do

was repurpose Harold's pilot...

[COUGHS]

that had been repurposed

by Gene, for the big screen.

So we all go and we read it

and he's sitting there.

He had a desk

that was about two feet higher.

So he looked down on you

like Mussolini,

he had this grinner's

face expectantly.

"What do you think?"

So I said, "Gene, it's..."

And the grin fades.

We had a few words

and he got a little angry.

"Well, we'll let

the studio decide."

GATES: That gave

studio head Michael Eisner,

the deciding vote

between Gene's rewrite

or Harold's original pilot.

He said, "This is

a good script, Gene,

"but it's a television script."

He says, "Harold's is a movie."

I thought Gene

was going to faint.

GATES: By the mid 1970's,

it seemed Star Trek

the TV series

was suffering

an identity crisis.

What was always meant

to be a TV series became...

The movie that was a movie,

but then it was a TV show,

But then was a movie again.

GATES: Nearly everyone

had lost track

of the Trek until...

The decision is made to take

In Thy Image

and turn it into

a motion picture.

The pilot that

we were commissioned to do

is being morphed into

a major motion picture.

GATES: And in more ways

than one,

Paramount was sh**ting

for the stars.

They were aspiring

to do 2001.

Open the pod bay doors,

please, HAL.

GATES: George Lucas had shown

sci-fi could pull a crowd.

But Paramount

didn't think movies

were the way to keep them.

People think Paramount said,

"Oh, we've got to have

a movie like Star Wars."

And it's going to

cost you something extra.

MARC: The reality was,

Star Wars had very little

to do with it.

JOHN: Science fiction was not

by any stretch

of the imagination,

a guaranteed thing

just because Star Wars

had been successful.

The concept of

a sustained, profitable,

growing science fiction

franchise had never

really existed before.

GATES: So Paramount

planned to make one

and one movie only.

With big money, big box office,

no reason to ever make

a second one,

the fans will never come out

to watch a second

Star Trek movie.

And then we'll launch

our network,

and then doing the series

off of the strength

of the movie.

GATES: But no matter how much,

Paramount said,

"May the fourth network

be with you,"

it never would be.

But in any case...

You still have

a lot of money that has

been invested.

GATES: The studio's

Star Trek project resembled

a real-life space program

and felt almost as costly

with sets, props and even

a brand new spaceship.

An entire overhaul and update

of the Enterprise itself.

GATES: They had a new ship

for a new production.

But who would captain

this risky mission?

Robert Wise.

GATES: Paramount thought

veteran director Robert Wise

would be a safe pair of hands.

Robert Wise was the first

and only director

on the list considered.

GATES: Wise, couldn't make

a flop if he tried

not after

this song and dance.

West Side Story.

This is the guy

who made Sound of Music.

GATES: And he knew sci-fi

from way back

when it was lasers,

not phasers.

He had done

a classic science fiction movie

called The Day

the Earth Stood Still.

Which is still regarded

as one of the greatest

science fiction movies

ever made.

GATES: The pieces were falling

into place for Paramount,

but there was still something

or someone missing.

Mr. Nimoy was still not

involved in the project.

Robert Wise,

he agreed to do the film.

His wife was a Trekker

and her son was a Trekker.

and they told him,

"It's crazy to do it

without Spock,

"it would be like doing it

without Kirk."

And so Wise went

to Paramount and said,

exactly what they had told him

and said,

"There's got to be a way

that we can get him."

GATES: Scheduling conflicts

and a bigger conflict

over licensing and royalties

had taken it down to the wire.

Days before the press conference

to announce Star Trek:

The Motion Picture,

all of those issues

were quickly resolved

and Leonard Nimoy

came on board.

Science officer, Spock.

Reporting as ordered, Captain.

GATES: The movie was announced

to huge fanfare,

Leonard Nimoy

was already getting

into character

and when asked

why it had taken him

so long to confirm...

Ah, probably the thing that took

the most time is the fact that

the mail service between here

and Vulcan is still pretty slow.

[CROWD LAUGHS]

GATES: But Paramount

still had a mountain to climb.

Since Star Trek last took

to the airwaves,

science fiction

had gotten real.

Now audiences are expecting

Star Wars level

and Close Encounters level

quality special effects.

GATES: Aggressive pre-sales

had also painted Paramount

into a corner

with a terrifyingly close

release date.

The distributors were promised

that there would be

a Star Trek movie

that they could show

in their theaters on

December 7th, 1979.

They had penalty contracts

where if they could not deliver

this movie by the seventh,

because these theaters

are holding open

the space for them,

they were out the wazoo

for millions of dollars.

So that only gives them



to take what is

a television show

and turn it into motion picture.

GATES: At least they had

a brilliantly inventive title.

This motion picture

would be called,

Star Trek:

The Motion Picture.

GATES: Huh?

JOHN: The body politic

that was making the movie went,

"You better let everybody know

that this is a motion picture,"

as opposed

to an adapted TV show.

GATES: The fact was,

this was an adaptation.

You had, what was meant to be

a tele-play for a TV show

has to become

a major motion picture

for large screens.

GATES: Which brings us back

to Harold.

Somebody's got to write

the g*dd*mn script.

There was a deadline looming.

They had to start sh**ting.

So Roddenberry invited

Harold Livingston back.

GATES: Harold's original script

seemed to have gotten

it's DNA mixed up

in the transporter.

In fact, it had gained

a whole new "Gene."

In Thy Image,

written by Gene Roddenberry,

He took all the credit,

he didn't share.

His name is on top.

GATES: Harold felt his script

was now a rewrite

and a write-off.

So he decided to draw

a line in the sand

when meeting Roddenberry

and director Bob Wise.

HAROLD: The first thing

Wise says to me is,

"What do you think

of the script?"

I said, "What I think, Mr. Wise,

is you ought to take cyanide."

Total crap.

And I would blurt

a big laugh. Ha ha ha!

So they asked me

if I would rewrite it.

I said, I'll rewrite it

as long as it is

contractually agreed

that Gene Roddenberry

does not put word on paper.

I mean, I hated him

because he couldn't

keep his fingers off a script.

He had to rewrite everything.

Agreed.

And they gave me a lot of money.

GATES: Harold set about

writing a script

the whole franchise

was riding on

safe in the knowledge

that Gene Roddenberry

would not have his way with it.

HAROLD: I write a first draft,

which Eisner wants to see.

I give it to Gene's secretary

to send to Eisner.

Three days later,

my phone rings.

It's Eisner calling me

from Paris.

He said,

"What kind of...did

you send me?"

Honest to God, I said,

"What are you talking about?"

I said, "It was a good script."

I said, "Bob liked it."

He said, "Nobody

could like this crap."

We find out what happened

was I gave the script

to Gene's secretary

and she sent Gene's rewrite

to Eisner in Paris.

GATES: You can't write

this stuff

which is why director Bob Wise

was amazed.

Wise head to me,

direct quote,

"Harold, I've been in this

business for 40 years

"and I've never had

an experience like this."

GATES: Not for the first time,

Star Trek, the fourth iteration

was back to square one.

We threw Gene's rewrite out

and went back to what I did.

GATES: The signing

of Leonard Nimoy as Spock

had Star Trek:

The Motion Picture

headed in

the right direction...

Well, so help me,

I'm actually pleased to see you.

GATES:...and Paramount

breathing a sigh of relief.

Because we're not going

to risk Star Trek property

that doesn't have

its most recognizable

and one of

the most popular,

if not the most

popular character.

GATES: But Spock's return

was still throwing

a wrench in the works.

In an essence, you have to write

Spock into the movie.

Right? He wasn't even in

In Thy Image.

GATES: What was good

for Leonard Nimoy was not

so good for David Gautreaux...

MAN: Are you trying to tell me

all that work was done

for nothing?

That is

the logical conclusion, sir.

GATES:...whose

Johnny-come-lately

Vulcan character Xon,

was suddenly on

the chopping block.

Spock is vital to this core.

GATES: And knowing Xon wasn't,

David met with Gene

for reassurance.

And he gave me

a thousand assurances.

We're definitely, definitely,

definitely... We're building

this to go into series.

GATES: Executives insisted

Xon was a Vulcan

who would

live long and prosper.

Xon is key

to the future of this franchise.

Okay.

GATES: So all David

had to worry about

was learning his lines.

DAVID: They send me the script.

There is no Xon

in the screenplay.

And I realize,

"Oh, it's over."

GATES: Fortunately for David,

another envelope arrived,

and it contained

the next best thing

an actor can hope for.

Here is your pay-off.

You're free.

All in one gesture.

And a very large check,

well above what

the pilot figure was.

I felt completely liberated.

GATES: But Mr. Spock himself

was feeling anything but relief

over the Spock

versus Xon debacle.

So Nimoy summoned David

to ask him.

How did it affect you

when I...

...took that role

away from you?

GATES: For David,

Nimoy's olive branch

was compensation enough

for his loss.

But I certainly never

ever once said,

"That Nimoy guy

coming back

and taking my role."

I never viewed it that way.

Because...

He's Spock.

You are correct.

GATES: And even by

the standards of a Vulcan,

this was...

Very human, very humane

that he would ask

such a challenging question.

GATES: And David still got

to learn some lines for

the movie.

That's within

Klingon boundaries.

Who are they fighting?

Unknown, sir.

They did say, David,

we'd like you

to play Commander Branch.

So I agreed,

I played Commander Branch.

GATES: Here he is commanding,

albeit briefly.

[SIREN BEEPING]

We are under attack.

GATES: And while Xon

the new Vulcan didn't make it,

for the first time

in nearly a decade,

the original cast

was tight again,

like peas in a space pod.

CHEKOV: I appreciate

the welcome.

GATES: Including Mr. Chekov.

Aye, sir.

GATES: Walter Koenig

finally came in from the cold

after missing

the animated series.

I thought we were in

for a grand time.

When we came back

to do the first really big one

that we did

after being away so long.

It was amazing,

that they're the same people.

GATES: And there were

mysterious new characters too,

smuggled in

from the original

Phase Two TV pilot.

She's Deltan, Captain.

A Deltan which was

a new alien race.

Her species was bald.

They possessed the pheromone

that was something

that humans just could not

steel themselves against.

GATES: Which was

especially inconvenient

for humans, because...

My oath of celibacy

is on record, Captain.

GATES: Lieutenant Ilia

was played by a new face,

and not just any face.

Miss India 1965.

Persis Khambatta,

was an exceptionally

beautiful woman.

GATES: It wasn't just her looks

that said Persis apart.

Unlike a lot of actors,

she was willing

to part with her hair.

GATES: This was

no simple matter

of a few hours of makeup

and a bald cap.

Persis was prepared

to go "baldly"

where no Star Trek actress

had gone before.

There are really

heartbreaking images

of her crying

while they were doing that,

but that's how committed

she was to playing

the character

and bringing

an authenticity to the role.

GATES: Also new, the character

of Commander Decker,

but actor Stephen Collins

got to keep his locks.

But getting the part

was a bit of a close shave.

Because at this point

in his career,

his biggest film role had been

as one of the many men

in All the President's Men.

Now, Stephen had a meaty role

playing a character

with deep ties to Star Trek.

He was the son of Will Decker

from the Doomsday Machine,

from the original series.

Commodore Decker,

you are relieved of command.

GATES: The cast

for The Motion Picture

was in ship-shape,

but unfortunately

the script wasn't.

JOHN: It was not perfect

because it had been rushed

to convert In Thy Image

to Star Trek:

The Motion Picture.

Ready or not,

she launches in 12 hours.

GATES: So much so,

that principal photography

began in 1978

before a script had

even been finished.

Paramount was also behind

on commissioning

special effects.

They wanted to give it

to Industrial Light & Magic,

but they weren't available.

GATES: Meaning there was

a risk their special effects

might not be so special.

And so...

Paramount hired

Robert Abel & Associates.

GATES: Which in movie circles

was not an obvious choice.

Had never done a movie.

They were doing TV commercials.

Enough of this kissing

little registered mark.

GATES: Not just any

TV commercials,

but effects-heavy

extravaganzas.

And they had just gotten

a lot of attention

for a 7up TV commercial

which had a lot of

effects in it.

GATES: While it was more

soda than Yoda,

it wasn't

a million light years away

from sci-fi.

So Robert Abel was hired.

To do all these

mind blowing special effects

that are,

in an industry perspective,

having to compete

with Star Wars.

GATES: Desperate

for fresh ideas,

Robert Abel hired

a hot shot young designer.

I was recommended

right out of school

to work on

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

GATES:...and gave him

a suitably entry level job

to start.

Build a whole new Enterprise.

GATES: Completely redesign

one of television's

most iconic vehicles,

and do it fast.

The Enterprise

had already been built,

but it was too small.

It was like six feet long.

They decided on maybe

a ten foot model.

GATES: For the big screen.

Paramount needed a big ship.

So the Enterprise

was up-sized.

And they built

this beautiful model. Huge.

MARC: He rebuilt

most of miniatures

and the ones he didn't rebuild,

he had to redesign

in some way or another.

GATES: But with

the script still in flux

and with sh**ting underway,

who knew which of the new ships

would even fly?

- [expl*si*n]

- MARC: They were rewriting

that script

as they were filming it.

We were sh**ting

without pages at times.

GATES: None of this helped

Director Robert Wise,

whose vast experience

counted for little

in the Star Trek universe.

He did not know Star Trek.

And he was at the mercy

of people who said,

"This is the way

this should be done."

GATES: And at the mercy

of people pestering him

for close ups.

WALTER: Every each time

I tell this... [CHUCKLES]

I hope I...

I tried to relieve myself

of the embarrassment,

the humiliation,

the guilt that I felt

at the time.

GATES: A shocking burden

that Walter carries with him

to this day.

We were sh**ting

very early in the sh**t,

and I...

[STUTTERS] I went up to this,

I called Mr. Wise

from start to finish.

"Mr. Wise, are we

going to come back

"and do a...

a close up of Chekov?"

[DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING]

I can't.

[LAUGHS]

He said to me,

"Please don't...

Please don't talk about

those actor things to me."

[SIGHS]

It destroyed me. I mean,

he was absolutely right.

Absolutely right.

I was thinking of me.

Me, me, me, me!

- GATES: You can't

blame a guy for trying.

- WALTER: "Me, me, me."

But under the circumstances,

Robert Wise had

much bigger issues,

monopolizing

all of his attention.

There were changes

coming down by the hour.

We had to do

all kinds of scenes.

GATES: Soon,

the movie's right hand

was no longer talking

to his left.

Script pages were

coming down to the set

after the scenes

had already been shot.

And any kind of script revision

that you have, causes problems.

You may need to

set up that scene

in a different location.

Do the camera movement

in a different way.

That's all time.

That's all money.

Both of which

the film didn't have enough of.

GATES: The writer

and producer

were barely talking either.

HAROLD: Gene would

continually rewrite.

Somebody would

sneak it back to me

and I'd rewrite him.

The rewrite

of the rewrite of the rewrite

would get rewritten.

And it became script wars.

He wouldn't stop.

He was just

maniacal about it.

WALTER: I guess that was

a trademark of Gene's.

He had to rewrite

everybody's work,

And he was a bad writer.

GATES: Ironically,

some of the best dialogue

in the most electrifying scenes

were playing out

between Harold and Gene.

HAROLD: We sit there,

insulting each other,

calling each other stupid

and a piece of...

and, "You don't know

what the hell you're doing.

"Get out of my sight."

We are at each other's throats.

AUTOMATED VOICE:

Emergency Alert!

GATES: But

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

now had a problem

money alone couldn't solve.

I'm not gonna put up with this,

and I don't care. And I quit.

GATES:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

was now months into sh**ting

but fast running out of script.

They gave us

an unfinished script.

GATES: And the only thing

worse than not having

a script,

is not having a writer

to fix that.

So I get a call

from Katzenberg...

- GATES: Writer

Harold Livingston had...

- Quit.

GATES:...and

Paramount executives rushed

to save their production.

HAROLD: Katzenberg

sends a car for me,

brings me to his office

at 7 p.m.

I walk into his office,

the secretary locks the door.

"Would you like

something to drink?"

So I said, "Yeah, I'd like

some gin on the rocks."

Brings me a full glass.

So I'm sitting there,

I'm drinking.

I drink.

Half hour later,

Katzenberg comes in,

"All right, you're going to

come back to work."

I said, "No, I'm not,"

And I'm drunk.

I'm whacked out of my head.

GATES: Perhaps the gin

had not swayed Harold,

but it had given him

some courage.

I said,

"I want $10,000

a week."

Got it.

And I want a picture commitment,

a script commitment.

You got it.

Now that's what I had to do.

GATES: But just as Harold

had tied one on

with Katzenberg

and been tied down,

Gene was unraveling.

Gene was already

starting to show signs

of substance abuse.

He was on drugs all the time.

He smoked a lot of pot,

and I know he was on cocaine,

and he was

a prodigious drinker.

DAVID: Gene Roddenberry

was probably one of the most

complicated people

I've ever met.

He had power,

he had authority.

he had ability.

He wasted it

by being a substance ab*ser.

But when he was at his best,

he was the best.

And when he was at his worst,

he was the worst.

GATES: Sidelined

from his own production,

Gene was losing touch

with his life's work.

HAROLD: I understand

that this was Gene's baby.

It was his whole life.

And without Star Trek,

he was gone.

He was nothing.

GATES: The creator

of Star Trek tried harder

to force his will

on the production.

HAROLD: Roddenberry

was always trying

to imbue his own ideas

into the script,

into the picture.

He drove everybody crazy.

He was more than

a pain in the...to

a monumental nuisance.

GATES: Onset,

Director Robert Wise

was feeling stymied

by his over-reaching producer.

DAVID: Robert Wise

was used to having

a much greater

degree of autonomy

to getting things to work.

And Roddenberry's meddling

and micro-managing

was not working well for him.

He was not

a happy experience for him.

Roddenberry was

the worst producer

he ever had to work with.

GATES:

Adding to the trouble,

Katzenberg and Harold's

gin-fueled accord

had already broken down.

I got so disgusted

with everything that

I didn't care about

the money right there.

- I just walked out.

- GATES: Again.

Which was not

the end of the story,

because the story

still had no end.

They didn't have an ending for

Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

They gave us

a two-act script

and a three-act movie.

I had trouble

writing the ending myself.

I mean,

I can't blame anybody for that

because I couldn't come up

with a decent ending.

GATES: And without

a writer on board,

the only writing being done

was a series of angry memos.

Lots of memos

going back and forth,

including from Paramount.

What's the ending going to be?

And nobody could agree

on what the ending

was going to be.

GATES: Literally

at a loose end.

They even turned to the movie's

two stars for ideas.

Bill and Leonard

joined the party.

There's a trap there

of self-interest.

GATES: Meaning

roles that were written

for other characters.

I'll do that part.

[LAUGHS]

That's what I was imagining

that was going on.

You know, there were

so many voices and so many...

so much self-interest,

that it interfered with them

finding the end of the story.

GATES: But actually,

rumor has it,

Shatner was

a little more generous

than previously suggested.

I'll do that part.

[LAUGHS]

- GATES: No, actually...

- WALTER: Bill Shatner said,

"Let's have Chekov do this."

Let...

On a couple of occasions.

That would've

substantially boosted my part.

GATES: Maybe,

Walter would have

that close-up after all.

They didn't.

They didn't go for it.

GATES: Ooh. Right.

But Bill Shatner

had come out in favor

of Walter Koenig.

GATES: Well,

whoever got the close-ups,

it was pretty obvious

that not having a third act

was bad.

But there was another problem

that couldn't simply be solved

with the typewriter.

The special effects people

were not producing

what he needed.

So the question would be,

why wouldn't they come forward

and say, "Hey,

we're having a problem."

Well, because you

don't want to get fired.

They were feeling that

they would somehow

find a way to pull it through.

GATES: The director

was getting nervous.

Paramount presold this.

There was a locked premiere day.

GATES: With the movie

already booked in theaters,

Wise knew how true

the teaser poster really was.

The adventure was only

just beginning

when it should have been

nearly finished.

They were opening the movie

in nine months.

She needs more work.

Bob Wise finally said,

"Come show me what you have."

He'd been asking

to see it for a while.

GATES: The effects group

played a test real,

hoping the director

would see the light.

And so they brought it in

and they screened it.

GATES: Robert Wise

saw the light, all right.

The probe itself,

which was a physical thing.

putting out

a huge amount of light.

GATE: But that was all he saw.

MARC: And he said," Okay,

show me what else you have."

And they said,

"That's everything."

And they failed terribly.

They were over their heads.

They didn't know

how to do something like this.

GATES: Worse, this humble

on-camera effect

was not what

Robert Abel had promised.

Bob had bitten off

a huge chunk.

He had proposed and pursued

doing the effects for the movie

in a digital environment

with computers

that were not even

as powerful as your cell phone.

GATES: Unbeknownst

to the director,

the digital effects had failed,

and the only

stunning visual effect

Robert Wise saw

was the disappearing budget.

About $5 million

was squandered.

Robert Wise had a meltdown.

He just stormed out and said,

"I never want to see

that man again."

GATES: That man

was soon to be replaced

special effects supervisor,

Robert Abel.

"Find me somebody else.

I don't care who.

"I will never

have anything to do

with that man again."

GATES: The numbers

were all bad for

Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Six months until the premiere.

Only two of three acts scripted

and just one miserable minute

of special effects.

Nearly a year

into production,

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

still had no special effects,

no ending and seemingly

no hope.

System's overloading, Captain.

GATES: Only one thing

could make this

classic Hollywood nightmare

worse. Lawyers.

Exhibitors put a lot of

pressure on the studio,

in the form

of a potential lawsuit

to make sure

that the movie was completed

on the date

that they had proposed.

GATES: There's nothing like

the threat of legal action

to get things moving.

Fearing the worst,

Paramount made plans

to shift liability.

I believe they had to have

a fall guy.

GATES: Overwhelmed

and underachieving,

Robert Abel was cast

in that role.

Bob Abel became

the force majeure

that the studio had to have,

in case they were sued

by the exhibitors

to avoid

a $100 million

class action suit.

GATES: Dreaming up

legal strategies

was one thing.

But what Paramount needed,

was someone to dream up

an ending to their film.

MARC: And Jon Povill,

who was associate producer,

came up with the ending.

in the eleventh hour

with this idea that

V'ger is trying to

achieve consciousness.

GATES: That's V'ger, the giant

amorphous energy cloud.

And how better to do it

than to merge with the Creator.

- And who is the creator?

- A human.

GATES: That's this human

MARC: And Decker

can merge with Ilia.

GATES: That's this woman.

The creator has not answered.

MARC: Which is

also merging with V'ger.

Who is V'ger?

V'ger is that which

seeks the Creator.

Which allows V'ger

to merge with humankind.

It became a living thing.

GATES: If that

sounds confusing,

that's because it is.

And Paramount

felt the same way.

Paramount hated it, hated it.

But Robert Wise said,

"I like it."

And of course,

when Bob Wise liked it,

then Paramount liked it.

And so it got filmed.

GATES: Working out

the end was a start.

But in June of '79,

Paramount still had

an incomplete film

with no special effects.

JOHN: Paramount

brings in Doug Trumbull,

who is one of

the special effects world's

most amazing artists,

working on 2001.

GATES: Stanley Kubrick's

classic opus

had virtually defined the look

and feel of space on film.

Nobody knew

how to do space effects

better than Doug Trumbull.

GATES: Paramount

needed Trumbull

to do the same for Star Trek

and at warp speed.

What Star Trek needed

was a new way of doing things.

And luckily for Trumbull,

John Dykstra

had invented just that,

courtesy of Star Wars, again.

This is where the fun begins.

JOHN: When we did

the Star Wars stuff,

it opened up a whole new realm

for lots and lots of material.

GATES: Motion control,

still a new technique,

had made it possible

to realistically depict

space fight.

Take us out.

JOHN: We were using

technology we designed

for an earlier project,

to achieve a new result.

But there was

so much work to do

in such a short period of time.

When I joined them,

it was triage.

Suddenly there was

a crash rush

at the end of...

coming up to release dates.

JOHN: We immediately

went into a nightmare.

Everybody's hair was on fire.

We were working

three eight-hour shifts.

They brought beds in.

I think the quote was

from Michael Eisner was,

you're coming out

on the release date.

We have said, "I don't care

if there's black leader

"in place of where

the effects should be.

The movie's coming out."

Don't worry.

She'll launch on schedule

if we have to tow her out

with our bare hands.

GATES: With the hardest

of hard deadlines,

John and Doug

divided the work

between their studios.

Doug was really, I think,

focusing on the Enterprise.

GATES: The iconic and now

redesigned mothership.

was destined

to be the centerpiece.

Doug did the drydock sequence.

And they do the tour

around the Enterprise

and if you're a Star Trek fan,

then it's, "Aah!"

JOHN: The introduction

of the Enterprise,

had to be orgasmic.

I'm in heaven.

You know, you could stop now.

They all die happy.

GATES: This cinematic cl*max

was made possible

by some ingenious

smoke and mirrors.

JOHN: Trick is,

is that we're trying

to create an illusion.

You put a light source

on the ship

and you want it to focus

on a particular thing.

ANDREW: So much white lighting

on the side of the ship

kind of took away

from the scale of the ship

and he thought

it would be better

to neutralize all of those,

that lighting down

and just use these spotlights

to give the ship a more scale.

GATES: That epic scale

came from something

small enough to fit in

your mouth.

There was dental mirrors.

A lot of dental mirrors.

Take a light source

that's a focused beam,

bounce it off a dental mirror,

and it puts a spotlight

over here,

and it looks like

that light is...

is sourced from here.

GATES: But to get

the party started,

it wasn't the Enterprise

that needed to look imperious.

John Dykstra's outfit

did the opening shot,

which was of the Klingon ship

looming into view.

They knew how important

it was for the picture.

GATES: If the Enterprise

was going to be majestic,

her enemies needed

to be electrifying.

[ELECTRICITY BUZZING]

We had lots of weird stuff.

We had a Tesla coil,

which is a lightning generator.

It would throw a six foot arc

in helium within the vacuum

which is a long piece

of lightning.

It used 60 amps

at 440 volts,

which is a lot of electricity.

[MAN SCREAMING]

And we had to build

a cage around it

because we're near

the airport there,

and when we fired it up,

it would interfere

with radio transmissions

from the tower,

with airplanes.

Maybe that wasn't

the best way to do it,

but it was the way

that we figured

we could get it done

in the time that we had.

GATES: While

incredible explosions

were being rendered to film,

something else was exploding

like a supernova.

And it wasn't pretty.

It went way over budget.

It doubled and then tripled

and then eventually was

$45 million.

Money wasn't an issue.

And worked around the clock

and finished the last

of the special effects

about a week before

the movie was going to open.

GATES: A lot had gone into

Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Nobody had seen the movie.

GATES: And a lot of it

ended up on screen.

It was

an incredible human effort.

GATES: So it was

no surprise that,

following their

first screening,

the "L" word was used.

And suddenly,

it's feeling long.

GATES: Along with

the "B" word.

It's feeling a little boring.

GATES: However,

somewhat ironically,

Robert Wise just didn't have

enough time to fix it.

He wanted more time

to shave off some of

those moments

that people complained

about where there's

a little too much

special effects.

add a little bit more

of the humanity into the film.

GATES: But with

the premier looming,

Paramount had

the bigger problem

of finishing their final cut

or any cut.

in time for the opening.

They were just hoping

that they could get it done.

GATES: December 7th, 1979...

There was

a red carpet thing.

Everybody was in tuxedos.

GATES:...as everyone

made their way

to the premiere...

Robert Wise

is carrying with him

the print and it's still wet.

They just made the prints.

They came out of the developer

into the can still wet

with the idea

that they would be dried off

by their first trip

through the projector

when they got to the theater.

The last roll of visual effects

had been done.

- the night before...

- They got into the theater.

GATES: The feeling

in the room was euphoric.

The opening to

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

is glorious.

There's so much going on.

The effects are marvelous.

The audience cheered

and applauded when they saw

the Klingon ships.

GATES: Paramount

had a hit on their hands.

It's amazing. It's insane.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

was extremely successful.

It's insane that the movie

made as much money as it did.

It made a fortune.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

makes $139 million.

GATES: After crawling over

the finish line,

the film still managed

to take first place.

It was number one

at the box office

for about three months.

It made more money,

than any Star Trek film

until Star Trek 2009.

GATES: But critics were split.

MARC: About half of them

were very positive.

- Half weren't.

- GATES: For some,

the rebirth of Star Trek

was an achievement itself.

JOHN: What a towering

achievement

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

was that it was able to take

a 1960s television show

produced on a 1960s budget

with 1960s

special effects technology.

and transform it into something

realistic and believable.

Looks like you found a way.

GATES: But for some,

the film still moved

at a 1960s pace.

"Star Trek:

The Motionless Picture"

and things like that.

WALTER: The papers,

they were brutal.

They just said we were

these old guys

who should have

stuck to television.

It was just awful.

The only thing was,

I evidently was so anonymous

in the picture

that when they came...

when the reviews came

and they started

naming the actors

who were out of their league,

by being in this picture,

they ignored

my existence entirely.

I... I was grateful.

We're out of it.

I always see

all the flaws in it

because I was there,

and I know

where the compromises are.

GATES: For Leonard Nimoy,

The Motion Picture

was like a faraway planet.

V'Ger is barren, cold...

It was cold.

It was distant.

It had very little to do

with Star Trek.

...no meaning, no hope.

Characters were not in shape,

and plays...

playing off of each other

and with each other

the way we did best.

There were some reviews

that called into question

the missing sort of humanity

of the characters.

GATES: Then

there was possibly

the most confusing ending

to a sci-fi picture

since 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I wasn't crazy about the ending.

What V'Ger needs in order

to evolve, is a human quality.

HAROLD: And that's not

because I didn't write it,

because it made

little sense to me.

Well, though, a merger...

Do something.

I don't know.

But, if it worked

for the Star Trek people,

okay, good.

GATES: For director

Robert Wise,

it turned out to be

one of his biggest hits.

and one of his

least favorite films.

So I've never made

a movie before

where we were re-writing

the script as we were sh**ting

and waiting

for the special effects.

Making Star Trek wasn't fun.

GATES: The success of

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

had saved the franchise.

MARC: Star Trek:

The Motion Picture

was such a big hit.

Of course there was going to be

a second movie and a third movie

and so forth.

We made it of worth to continue

the Star Trek franchise.

GATES: But this larger prize

came at the expense

of the TV show.

So their Phase Two

went away

for that reason.

Because of the success

of the movie.

GATES: For Gene Roddenberry,

The Motion Picture

was another example

of Star Trek taking off

without him on board.

LARRY: You know, there were

a lot of problems

with The Motion Picture,

both structurally

and as... as a film.

And a lot of that

was not Gene's fault.

But he was blamed

and he was demoted.

After The Motion Picture,

Gene was kicked upstairs.

They gave him a new contract,

but said that he would be

a very well-paid

script consultant.

GATES: For perhaps

the first time in its history,

but not the last,

Star Trek had broken through,

despite its creator,

as well as because of him.

We wouldn't be here

discussing Star Trek

if it wasn't for

Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Somebody had to go boldly

where no one had gone before,

and Robert Wise did it.

It would be churlish

and self-aggrandizing I think,

to not acknowledge the debt,

even if it, you know,

I just learned things

that I... watching the movie

that I didn't understand

or wanted to change

or thought

could be done differently.

It was also a sociological

[CHUCKLES] pop culture landmark.

What do you make of all this?

GATES: Just as

The Motion Picture's

split critical opinion,

fans were also split

and still debate

its worth today.

The very first debate

among the fans is

Star Trek: The Motion Picture,

good or bad?

Just didn't have the dynamics

didn't have the drama.

I think it's a good movie.

Most people excoriated,

but I... I like

the first Star Trek movie.

GATES: But for every fan

of the original series

who lamented

the lack of a good villain

or driving action...

[GROANS]

GATES:...there was a fan

who sees pure science fiction.

JOHN: It's a very cerebral,

thoughtful commentary.

It comments

on the concept of faith.

It deals with something

that we are dealing with

right now in a profound way,

which is the merger

of humanity and machines.

V'Ger and the creator

will become one.

JOHN: And so,

in some ways again,

like really

great science fiction,

ahead of its time.

For all the slings and arrows

that The Motion Picture

takes as a piece of cinema,

Star Trek broke so many norms,

it broke so much new ground

on so many levels.

We are inside a living machine.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

goes into who we are.

What is life?

What is the meaning of life?

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

keeps in line,

with Roddenberry's edict

that Star Trek is us.

I think we gave it

the ability to create

its own sense of purpose

out of our own human weaknesses.

GATES: Whatever its

human weaknesses.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

had put Star Trek,

the franchise, back on track.

even if its makers felt like

they had just survived a w*r.

I've been in three...wars,

had the...kicked out of me.

My worst w*r was

with Roddenberry.

I don't know who else

could have taken all that...

GATES: Well,

Harold would not be the last.

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