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01x05 - When Country Goes Pop

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "This Is Pop". Aired: March 6, 2021.*

01x05 - When Country Goes Pop

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- [indistinct chatter]

- [glasses rattling]

- [dog barks]

- [fanfare plays]

[baby coos]

["Song 2" by Blur playing]

[narrator] If you've ever been to

a wedding, a major sporting event,

a drunken karaoke night,

or a middle school dance,

then you probably know this song.

Whoo-hoo! ♪

[narrator] Or maybe this one?

You're my wonderwall ♪

[narrator] That, of course,

is "Wonderwall" by Oasis.

And before that, "Song 2" by Blur,

which is sometimes

just straight up called, "Whoo-hoo."

Whoo-hoo! ♪

[60's style pop music playing]

[narrator] Those were two

of the biggest songs

to emerge from the United Kingdom

since the days of The Beatles,

the Stones, and the British Invasion.

But in the '90s, before the Internet,

the average music fan

outside of Great Britain

had no idea that Blur and Oasis were

spearheading a whole new musical wave.

It was a wave that would rule Britannia,

dominating the UK charts,

selling millions of records,

seeding bitter rivalries,

and shifting the landscape

of British pop and politics.

This is Britpop.

[British national anthem playing]

[narrator] Ah! Jolly old England,

the land of dreary weather,

stately palaces,

the Union Jack, bobbies on the beat,

the Queen, quaint countrysides,

and a cheese farmer

who was at the very center

of one of the most important

music movements in pop history.

[cow moos]

[interviewer] What do you think or feel

when you hear the word "Britpop"?

[laughs]

Every time I hear the word Britpop

a little part of me dies.

I'm sorry, I know you're making a program

about how brilliant it was but bollocks.

[upbeat pop-rock music playing]

The most important thing that happened

to British culture in the '90s

was that art got really good.

And Blur had come out of this place

where that whole thing started,

Goldsmiths College.

At our first ever rehearsal,

we wrote our first single.

Right from the get-go,

we just made a really good noise together.

[melodic rock music playing]

But by 1992, we'd been mismanaged

to the extent that

we had quite a big tax bill to pay,

one that's enforceable

by imprisonment, if you can't pay it.

So, we fired our manager

and the only way to pay off the taxman

was to commit to

an enormous tour of America.

[grunge music playing]

[James] We arrived in America the day

that Nirvana's album Nevermind came out.

That record changed everything,

and we arrived bankrupt

with the old agenda.

You know, it's kind of a buzzkill.

[laughs]

All the music press

were talking about grunge,

it was the latest scene.

British music was completely irrelevant.

So, we had this huge three-month saga

of a steeplechase,

drinking really heavily,

playing shows in pubs and clubs

where nobody thought

what we were doing was relevant at all.

[rock music playing]

[Rowntree] It was quite a depressing

and frustrating time, really.

Grunge was huge in the charts

and we were a small band in the UK

and completely unheard of

outside the big cities in the States.

[harmonica wails]

I remember, specifically,

we went to a place called Mile City,

the kind of laughingly called "City"

'cause it was about

three houses and a truck stop.

[harmonica playing]

We got off the bus and somebody came

running up and asking for our autograph.

I thought, "That's amazing,

our fame has spread even to Mile City."

It turned out they'd never

met an English person before.

[laughs]

- [band singing "When Will We Be Married"]

- Lean Jimmy E ♪

You got your eye on Jimmy

A fine lad is he ♪

[Rowntree] The vastness of America

took us by surprise.

We'd driven

the length and breadth of the UK,

which just about fits into

one of the medium-sized states in America.

[chuckles]

On those interminably long US drives,

that's where we kind of had discussions

and ideas about how has

American culture shaped English culture,

kind of re-imagining what would

British pop music sound like

if Elvis hadn't happened.

We talked about

this stuff ad nauseam, at length.

It was that, really,

that was the genesis of what we did next.

["Rule, Britannia!" playing]

[James] When we got back

from that American tour,

it just completely gave us

a sense of who we are.

I don't think you really understand

where you come from

until you're taken out of that situation.

It just made us realize British culture

has been completely marginalized.

["Rule, Britannia!" continues]

We went into the studio

with the idea of writing something

very determinedly British,

something incredibly left field

and really different from grunge.

[playing slide whistle]

The record company were aghast,

they threw their hands in the air,

said, "British pop, British pop,

you're mad, never gonna work."

- [glass shatters]

- Oi!

["Parklife" by Blur playing]

I get up when I want

Except on Wednesdays ♪

When I get rudely awakened

By the dustmen ♪

Parklife ♪

I put my trousers on

Have a cup of tea ♪

And I think about leaving me house ♪

Parklife ♪

I feed the pigeons

I sometimes feed the sparrows too ♪

It gives me a sense

Of enormous well-being ♪

Parklife ♪

[James] We arrived to play a festival

and we'd just written "Parklife,"

"So should we start with that then?"

- [stomping]

- The drums start, the bass drum,

and they're all like,

"Whoa, we like this."

Hands in the air,

they're jumping up and down.

And, uh, we got to the chorus

and a pair of knickers hit Damon

and a bra hit me in the face.

[laughing] I was like,

"Wow. Something's just changed."

All the people ♪

So many people ♪

And they all go hand-in-hand ♪

Hand-in-hand through their parklife ♪

Know what I mean? ♪

Parklife ♪

Parklife ♪

[tires squeal]

Parklife ♪

All the people ♪

[Rowntree] Top of The Pops was

the main music program on TV at the time.

There were only four channels on the TV,

not the 4,000 that there are now.

And so, an appearance on that

meant pretty much every young person

in the country would see you.

And suddenly,

we were playing much larger shows.

We were getting mobbed.

And they all go hand-in-hand ♪

Hand-in-hand through their parklife ♪

We supplanted the tail end of grunge

and completely pushed out

what was going on.

It was as if suddenly

it was okay to be British,

it was okay to be English again,

you didn't have to be embarrassed.

There was definitely

something in the air at that time.

Parklife ♪

[British march playing]

[narrator] Blur's success with "Parklife"

made the English music press take notice.

Now, the thing is,

England is what you might call

a mono-culture.

There's one time zone,

a handful of TV stations,

and, in the days

way before the World Wide Web,

just four music magazines,

all based in London.

These magazines

had a voracious appetite for stories

and an insatiable need

to find the next big thing.

[Price] Britain, at that time,

was being suffocated by American rock

and American culture.

Grunge was all about baring your soul

and singing from the heart,

and being authentic,

and being real and credible,

and not having any frills or any artifice.

And to quote The Smiths,

"It said nothing to me about my life."

['60's psychedelic rock music playing]

[Price] The pop tradition of this country

is a bit more playful, post-modern,

about the knowing wink.

[dinging]

That had gone away

for at least half a decade.

Blur, they were pioneers

of British guitar rock

in the tradition of The Kinks,

of that kind of playfulness,

and the press ran with it.

And next thing you know,

the seeds of Britpop had been sown.

["Great Things" by Echobelly playing]

Savage & Best was a publicity firm

and we were very intimately involved

in PR-ing the bands around at the time.

You know,

a lot of them run around in our office

and we'd do photo sessions in the office

and go to gigs together,

or going around London together.

We found bands

quite young in their career,

often stumbling across them in pubs.

I wanna know what love is

Is it something I do ♪

We found Suede in a local pub,

and then Verve playing to about ten people

in even smaller pub, and Echobelly.

All is fair in love and w*r

Or so they say and so the saying goes ♪

But I've seen more broken hearts

Than you can count ♪

[Madan] It happened for us

very, very quickly.

One of the first shows that we ever did,

it was so rammed,

I mean it was illegally rammed,

you couldn't breathe in there.

The ceiling

actually collapsed on us. [laughs]

And we carried on performing.

- [crowd cheering]

- [fixture rattling]

[Madan] It was full

of record company people,

it was definitely a buzz going on.

And the press

was so determined to create the scene.

You had to be in

with the right journalists.

You had to basically have a kind

of authentic Britishness about you.

You had to look a certain way.

I remember going to a pub in Soho

and there was Blur in the corner

wearing the same clothes as us.

And we just clocked each other,

and it was like a kind of

something in the air, knowing.

In that scene,

if you ticked the right boxes,

you literally rode a wave.

I wanna do great things ♪

I don't wanna compromise ♪

I wanna know what love is ♪

Is it something I do to myself? ♪

Something I do to myself? ♪

Something you do to yourself? ♪

[Harris]

This thing is still not called Britpop,

I don't think that word's kicking around.

But it's pretty obvious

that being in a four-piece indie group,

influenced somewhat by the past,

there's money in those hills, right?

I can remember

being asked to write a piece

celebrating how great

British music had got.

Ten Great Britpop Moments.

And I don't know why I chose that word,

I just needed a word,

and I probably nicked it

from somewhere else.

But by the spring of ‘95,

it's kind of everywhere.

[Britpop music playing]

[Price]

We, in the press, were sitting around

desperately waiting

for something to happen.

We were looking for people

with personalities,

characters to write about.

When a handful of bands came along

who were vaguely similar,

nostalgic, retro, very English,

we were only too keen

to group them together

under this banner of Britpop.

Britpop was all about

discovering a new band every week.

We were very much A&R,

we were the talent scouts,

we would discover

these brand new bands and write about them

and put them on the front cover.

You would hear stories about

this group here had been

a heavy metal group until three weeks ago,

then they'd all gone

and bought Fred Perry shirts

and they were suddenly

singing songs about cups of tea.

Sometimes you'd kind of keep

the music much the same as it was

but change the clothes

you were wearing and, hey, presto,

you were part of this mood.

My band, we were sort of

scooped up into Britpop,

we were more of kind of

a DIY punk aesthetic,

and then by the time

we got to our first album,

we're all, like, wearing polo necks.

We were teenagers,

so we didn't know any different.

It was a really fun time

to be young and in a band.

Money was sloshing around

in the music industry,

people were buying guitar records

who'd never bought guitar records before.

You had bands like Lush,

previously part of

the shoegazing movement,

who were suddenly selling

a lot of records because of Britpop.

[shoegaze music playing]

Lush started as a shoegaze band,

and was kind of post-punk.

It was actually almost anti-commercial.

One of the criticisms of Lush was that

they could have been this pop band,

yet they muck it up by sort of

putting too many guitar effects,

not understanding that we like that bit,

actually, that's why we do it.

But there was a part of me

that thought, "Don't be scared of a hit!"

Blondie was with me for a summer ♪

He flirted like a maniac

But I wouldn't bite ♪

I'm weak ♪

Here's the hand claps

and the bit where all the music drops out,

and the little,

"You get the picture," you know? [laughs]

Let's give it a go, then.

Save your breath for someone else ♪

And credit me with something more ♪

When it comes to men like you ♪

I know the score

I've heard it all before ♪

Ooh, you're such a ladykiller

Always on a winner ♪

Shoegazing and grunge, at their worst,

had a bit of pompousness about them,

that were a bit humorless.

"Oh, come on," you know?

"Let's not be that serious."

You know, that was quite liberating,

that you didn't have to be scared

of pushing that side of you.

You think you're such a ladykiller ♪

I just bet you're still there

Posing in the mirror ♪

Hey, girls, he's such a ladykiller ♪

But we know where he's coming from

And we know the score ♪

[Damon]

Good evening. I'm Damon from Blur.

I'm here to introduce myself

and some of the best bands in Britain,

performing live here in the studio

on Britpop Now.

Three years ago, if you were in a band

that was not Nirvana or a diet Nirvana,

you were nothing.

Well, I think all that's changed now.

British bands are no longer embarrassed

to sing about where they come from,

they've found their voice.

[Harris] All of these groups, they were

all kind of London-based groups,

and they were true to the classical

art school notion of British music,

they thought they were making art

and they were, right?

Then comes this five-piece band

from Manchester led by these two brothers

who basically knock on the door and say,

"Ah, never mind all that, rock and roll."

It's like someone gate-crashing a party.

[glass shattering]

[trumpet fanfare playing]

[narrator] Oasis came out of

the northern factory city of Manchester.

They were part of a long line of bands

that included The Buzzcocks, Joy Division,

The Smiths, Happy Mondays

and The Stone Roses.

[burps]

See, this North/South divide

is a big thing in the United Kingdom.

The middle-class South is depicted as

stuffy, pretentious and, well, a bit soft.

Meanwhile, the other end of the country

is typically seen

as working class

and "a bit grim up North."

But one label head,

hailing from way up in Scotland,

was bent on recruiting Northern bands

and throwing a spanner

into the Britpop works.

Creation tended

to sign working-class bands.

We never really signed middle-class bands,

but I would have signed an aristocrat

if they had an amazing tune.

I wasn't a snob about it.

Glasgow was having

a "City of Culture" week,

the pubs were open all night,

and I walked in and there was

a lot of mouthy altercation

between this band

and the two Scottish security guys,

and a deal was brokered

'cause I kind of said,

"Oh, just let them on

for two songs, whatever."

They played "Rock 'n' Roll Star,"

"Up in the Sky,"

then they played a Beatles cover,

"I Am the Walrus."

Everybody used to ruin Beatles covers.

At that point I thought,

"That's f*cking amazing."

I said, "Who's in charge of the band?"

They went, "This guy, Noel."

I went, "Go get him."

Noel Gallagher comes on out

and then I just went,

"I'm McGee for Creation Records,

do you want a deal?"

It's the best move

I ever made in my bloody life.

["Rock 'n' Roll Star" playing]

I live my life in the city ♪

There's no easy way out ♪

The day's moving just too fast for me ♪

I need some time in the sunshine ♪

I've gotta slow it right down ♪

The day's moving

Just too fast for me ♪

[Hewitt] First time I saw Oasis play live,

I was absolutely staggered by them.

It was sort of like

this UFO had landed, bang!

"Who are these aliens?"

They didn't smile, they didn't try

to endear themselves to the audience,

they didn't do the,

"Hey, how's everybody doing?" bit,

they just played their songs

and left the stage.

"If you like us, great,

if you don't, f*ck off."

[police siren blaring]

[Hewitt] They came from

a real working-class area of Manchester,

they lived in a council house.

And one of the things about Manchester is,

they do have a bit of a chip

on their shoulder about London.

So here was this working-class band,

foul mouthed and didn't give a sh*t.

The media can take the Britpop

and stick it as far up the back entry

of "Country House" as they can take it.

We're a universal rock band,

we're not Britpop.

Oasis were gonna get big

whether they called it Britpop or not.

Blur partly opened the door for Oasis,

but Oasis were very different to Blur,

really, really different kind of music.

Calling them Britpop,

it was just a convenient tag

for the media.

Tonight I'm a rock 'n' roll star ♪

Tonight I'm a rock 'n' roll star ♪

[Skin] I remember seeing Oasis

for the very first time,

the songs were absolutely astonishing.

We hung out a bit and met them,

they were, like, working-class guys

but from up North.

So they were the same vibe as us,

they were who they were.

There's a lot of edge and great things

come out of working-class culture

because we have something to fight about.

Our stories are different.

Oasis had a legitimate backing

from working-class culture

in a way that a lot of the other artists

that made it at the time didn't.

We were on the same label,

so they put us on a tour together

and there was such a level

of authentic admiration

from working-class boys.

It was quite shocking to see

that it was real,

it wasn't media-made.

You only had to step outside

the bubble of trendy Britpop London

to see how much love

there was for that band.

You're not down with who I am ♪

Look at you now

You're all in my hands tonight ♪

Oasis came out

and they just did not give a f*ck.

And they came all g*ns blazing,

all swagger, all attitude,

and I think everybody else

just didn't know what to do with that.

Know what I mean? [laughs]

Oasis kind of fit into that lad culture,

which was much more

of a tabloid area of interest

than Britpop ever would be.

Tonight I'm a rock 'n' roll star ♪

Tonight I'm a rock 'n' roll star ♪

Lad culture was people saying,

"I want to go out and get drunk,

if I can get laid, great."

"I wanna take drugs,

I wanna listen to music,

and I'm gonna go and watch football."

[crowd chanting]

Whatever the lad culture dream was,

it was what Oasis were doing:

being hugely successful, drinking loads,

taking lots of drugs,

barely knowing what day it was.

That was the kind of

Loaded magazine dream.

[reporter] What about Justine of Elastica,

do you really fancy her then?

Yeah.

- Are you going to go for her?

- No, she's gonna go for me.

[Berenyi] It was the press,

I just remember them

absolutely wetting themselves

with delight.

[laughing]

You know, blokes

who were quite dull people,

who suddenly felt that this

was their liberating moment.

I might do a photo sh**t with the NME,

suddenly it's all like,

"Can you turn up in a bikini

and kind of like

spray champagne everywhere?"

It was like, "The f*ck are we doing here?"

Know what I mean?

- [all clamoring]

- [shutters clicking]

The lad culture was not just Oasis,

it was everywhere.

It all got a bit sexist

and it all got a bit, like,

traditionally white male.

Like, "Ugh. Really?

Are we going backwards?"

I didn't really identify with that,

it was something the straights were doing.

[laughs]

Oasis!

[laughing]

[Savidge] I don't think anybody expected

Oasis to be quite so big so quickly.

Once Oasis arrived, the attitude of Blur

became slightly more laddish

because they thought,

"We're getting left behind here."

"We've got to try and pretend

to be a bit more butch."

[laughs]

[guitar rock music playing]

[bubbling]

Blur were kind of middle-class boys

and they were kind of trying to dumb down,

they were putting on Fred Perrys

and sort of singing in c*ck accents

and "Parklife!"

"Yeah, cor blimey, geezer," and all that.

I mean, they were good records,

but it just didn't sit well with Oasis.

It wasn't really part of any plan,

getting into a fight

with another band, but

you know, it was a lot of arrogant,

c*ck young men,

added to the fact that there was

massive amounts of booze involved,

things were bound to go awry.

Blur, suddenly they're

acting like they're lads

ready to beat the sh*t out of Oasis.

I don't think so!

You wouldn't want them to be.

I'm not even saying,

"Oh, what a bunch of wusses."

I'm actually saying that they were

being encouraged to be these sort of

bloke-y pricks, actually.

[blowing raspberry]

[McGee]

Blur sort of just saw it as a game.

They misjudged how serious Oasis

were about the whole thing,

because they wanted to k*ll Blur.

[gushing]

[whistle blows]

[glasses clinking]

[narrator] Spurred on

by the Manchester lads of Oasis,

Britpop blasted out of London

and became a national obsession.

Now the Northerners were

eating the Londoners for dinner

[crunching]

and things were getting tense.

The evening news and tabloids

reached a massive circulation,

much bigger than the music press,

and they stoked up the fervor

between classes and cultures

across the country.

Today, this would be a Twitter flame w*r

lasting no more than a few hours,

but back then, for one whole week,

all eyes were on the Battle of Britpop.

[boxing bell dings]

[Ross] I'd always been extremely careful

to make sure that our release dates

fitted in comfortably

with the opposition's.

It made no sense for us

to collide directly

with our main competitors,

which, at the time, was Oasis.

If someone said in a pub or something,

"You know, Oasis are putting

their record out at the same time,"

"Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no

I don't think so,

you're having a bit of a laugh."

"Don't wind me up, mate."

We assumed that they would be

complying with common sense,

in terms of their release schedule,

except common sense and Oasis

don't necessarily go hand in hand.

[Noel] They accused us of moving

our single to coincide with theirs.

The reality of it is, they know they

brought their single forward

to coincide with ours.

They know that's what they've done.

They know that.

It's bloody obvious

it was not our schedule.

They started it

and we were just responding.

They announced the release date

for their new single,

so we thought, "Right.

We'll announce ours on the same day

and go up against them, head-to-head."

They then, I think still to this day

a rather cowardly act,

moved their release date

so it would no longer clash with us

and then we moved

ours again so that it did.

You gotta roll with it

You gotta take your time ♪

You gotta say what you say ♪

Don't let anybody get in your way ♪

'Cause it's all too much

For me to take ♪

Two of Britain's most popular pop groups

have begun the biggest chart w*r

in 30 years.

The Manchester band Oasis

and their archrivals Blur,

released new singles today,

each hoping to reach

the number one spot next week.

The music industry

hasn't seen anything like it

since The Beatles fought it out

with The Rolling Stones in the '60s.

I find the key

That lets you slip inside ♪

Slip inside ♪

Kiss the girl

She's not behind the door ♪

Behind the door ♪

But you know

I think I recognize your face ♪

But I've never seen you before ♪

The pop world is buzzing

at the confrontation

between Oasis and Blur.

Both bands are desperate

to get the number one slot.

There's a lot at stake,

neither wants to finish second.

The rivalry between

Oasis and Blur is bitter.

Both groups actively dislike each other.

I think we gotta

get back to rock and roll,

not Chas & Dave chimney sweeping music.

We released a single on the same day

because it was either that or a punch up.

And we thought there'd be less bloodshed.

You gotta roll with it

You gotta take your time ♪

You gotta say what you say

Don't let anybody get in your way ♪

'Cause it's all too much

For me to take ♪

[Laverne] You've got a song

about working-class culture.

You know, just saying,

"Sod it," and rolling with it

and going with

your circumstances as they are,

versus a song that's

literally called "Country House,"

which is something that rich people have.

City dweller, successful fella ♪

Thought to himself

"Oops, I've got a lot of money" ♪

Caught in a rat race terminally ♪

I'm a professional cynic

But my heart's not in it ♪

I'm payin' the price

Of livin' life at the limit ♪

Caught up in the century's anxiety ♪

- Yes, it preys on him ♪

- Preys on him ♪

He's gettin' thin, try the simple life ♪

He lives in a house

A very big house in the country ♪

There's nothing better

than a good old battle of two bands

that really f*cking hate each other.

It's almost like the Republicans

and the Democrats, isn't it? [laughs]

It really divided everybody.

[Rowntree] Anyone could put

whatever onto this chart w*r

and say, "This is about The Beatles

versus The Stones,

rock and roll versus art music."

It was a blank canvas for people

to write whatever piece they wanted.

Into the laps of the press

falls not just two records

coming out on the same day,

but the North versus the South,

the middle class versus the working class,

everyone went crazy.

[reporter 2] Today, lines seemed to

be drawn along the North/South divide.

In London, Blur were favorites.

Coming from London,

that's why I support them, really.

I'm a Blur fan,

want them to get to number one.

Oasis, definitely.

Because they're

a Manchester band and we're the best.

I think Oasis have a better following.

- Not Oasis.

- [reporter 2] Why not?

Um, I just don't think

they have much to offer.

I mean, the whole country

was obsessed with that.

It was on News at Ten.

You don't get pop music on News at Ten.

[Rowntree] It wasn't a slow news day,

actual things were happening in the world,

which were pushed out of the way

by journalists standing outside

record shops interviewing people,

saying, "What did you buy, Blur or Oasis?"

[laughs]

[Ross] People could go

to William Hill bookies

and you could bet money

on this great battle.

Oasis were favorites

to be number one that week

and we were six to four.

The whole thing was mental.

And the entire country seemed

to decide which side they were on.

It was insane.

[laughs] It's hard to see why

that would be important,

but it mattered,

for some reason it mattered.

Blur or Oasis?

- In the country ♪

- Doo, doo, doo ♪

- In the country ♪

- Doo, doo, doo ♪

In the country ♪

[boxing bell dings]

[crowd cheers]

[Rowntree] Blur won the Battle of Britpop,

as it later came to be known.

We should have won an award for that,

that was the marketing event

of the decade, really.

[Ross] I wouldn't say it was

the best song that Blur ever released,

I don't think it was

the best song Oasis ever released.

The main reason that we

became number one that particular week

was we had better formats than Oasis.

That's as mundane as it gets.

Our missiles were

better than their missiles.

[McGee] I think they did two CD singles,

7-inch, 12-inch,

so they had an extra format.

To be honest, it was the best thing

that ever happened to Oasis.

Oasis, at that point,

were like 500,000 albums in Britain

and Blur were

two million albums in Britain.

Going head-to-head, this mad rivalry,

it only elevated Oasis.

They got us on News at Ten

and they got us that kind of exposure.

They were marketed

very, very, very slickly.

We just put the records in the shops

and whatever happened happened.

It was like, we went in at number two

and they went in at number one.

But it's like when "Strawberry Fields"

went in at number two

and Engelbert Humperdinck went in

at number one. It's the same thing.

It hurt when they lost that battle,

when "Country House" was number one

and "Roll With It" was number two.

They tried to cover it up, but,

you know, as I said to them,

"You probably lost the battle

but you're gonna win the w*r."

- [silverware clinking]

- [heroic orchestral music playing]

[narrator] While not achieving

historical significance

on the level of the Battle of 1066,

the Battle of Britpop crowned Blur

the titular heads of the movement,

with "Country House"

their first number one,

until "Beetlebum" two years later.

Oasis were left to lick their wounds,

but they were about to throw

a big counterpunch.

[slurping]

["Wonderwall" playing]

Today is gonna be the day

That they're gonna throw it back to you ♪

By now you should've somehow

Realized what you gotta do ♪

I don't believe that anybody ♪

Feels the way I do about you now ♪

I got a CD-R from the band

and I put it on,

and thought, "My God,

it's gonna sell a lot of records."

It's one of these records that

you just knew, "This is gonna be big."

I wasn't that smart.

I managed to put out in America,

"(What's the Story) Morning Glory?"

as the first single.

It bombed, and then

I quickly put out "Wonderwall."

I don't believe that anybody

Feels the way I do about you now ♪

It's just got this kind of

emotive melodic pull to it.

It kind of sounds like a love song

and bits of it are a love song,

bits of it are completely nonsensical

but it doesn't matter,

it's what it sounds like,

it's not what it's saying.

Oasis became as big as they were,

not because of their great lyrics,

it's actually

despite their terrible lyrics.

What's a wonderwall, anyway?

I mean, what is it?

When I was writing the song it went,

"And after all, you're my"

There was this one word,

it was, like, missing.

At our house one night,

I was playing the album Wonderwall.

Someone said, "What's that album called?"

I went, "Wonderwall."

And I went, "Just give us a minute

while I slip into the back room here."

"And after all, you're my"

There you go. And that was that. You know.

I totally stole it. Sue me.

And after all ♪

You're my wonderwall ♪

Your middle-aged man

walking down the street,

or middle-aged woman

walking down the street,

would like "Wonderwall."

They would hate "Rock 'n' Roll Star."

But, "Aw. I like that one,

it's nice that 'Wonderwall' isn't it?"

"Lovely, yeah."

You're my wonderwall ♪

"Wonderwall" is a great song.

Whenever I hear it

it kind of makes me smile.

I think it was difficult for Damon.

Every time he went to buy a pair of socks,

a person in the sock shop

would put on "Wonderwall."

Every shop you went in in London,

if you hung around for 15 minutes,

you'd hear "Wonderwall,"

it was all over the radio.

It just became the national anthem.

And after all ♪

You're my wonderwall ♪

[men cheering]

It's sorta hard

to critique "Wonderwall" now

'cause it's grown a life of its own.

I thought it would sell 10 million,

it ended up selling 23 million records.

Oasis did a great record and it blew up.

[reporter 3] Fans seem

to come from everywhere,

from the band's hometown, Manchester,

from Sheffield and York,

from Newcastle and Norwich,

- from Little Hampton and Luton.

- Y'alright, mum?

[Harris] Oasis keep upping the ante.

Playing Knebworth

was mind-bogglingly huge.

I think one in 22

of the British population

applied for tickets.

Which meant if you

walked down a busy street in London,

every five seconds you'd pass someone

who was enough of an Oasis fan

that they wanted to go.

We could have actually done 16 nights

at Knebworth, it was kind of crazy.

It was probably

the peak of the Britpop thing

because it was such a big event.

That became almost

the Britpop generation's Woodstock.

Whether you enjoyed it or not,

you kinda had to be there,

you had to say you were there.

I wasn't there.

[reporter 4] Oasis star Noel Gallagher

says he can barely take in the idea

of playing in front of

a quarter of a million people,

but such is the scale of the success

of the Manchester band

that two million applied for tickets.

Gallagher and his brother Liam have

become the rock phenomenon of the '90s.

[loud cheering]

[glass clinking]

[narrator]

The global success of "Wonderwall,"

showed just how massive

Britpop had become.

Back at home,

a cultural movement called Cool Britannia

sprung up in its wake

that expanded Britpop's appeal to film,

fashion, and even football.

It was like swinging '60s had returned.

An ambitious politician named Tony Blair,

head of the New Labour Party,

felt the mood

and saw a way to appeal to youth voters

by exploiting Britpop.

In arts and culture,

London is a world center.

Indeed, if you ask young people

the best thing about Britain,

they'll probably say

the pop music industry

the best in the world,

where British musicians and composers

now earn more in foreign exchange

than the steel industry.

Blair was clever.

He was obviously hip

and liked British music.

I got a call from,

uh, the House of Commons,

"Can you get all your bands

to come to the House of Commons?

Can we meet some bands,

can we use them as spokespeople

for the New Labour Movement?"

[people screaming]

[rock music playing]

[Harris]

Tony Blair was always at award ceremonies.

He was there at the Brit Awards,

inducting David Bowie.

He was a face that was around.

He's young, he likes rock music,

he's different,

this is a generational change.

[reporter 5] If you won 25 grand tonight,

if you win the prize,

what do you fancy doing with 25 grand?

Give it to the Labour Party.

[Harris] Noel endorsed New Labour,

he was there at the Brit Awards saying,

"Power to the people, vote Tony Blair."

[crowd cheering]

[crowd clamoring]

[Berenyi] I mean, I do remember

seeing Oasis hanging out with Tony Blair.

I thought, "Okay, so you're now

in with the establishment."

I don't think they knew that much

about the government,

I think it was all a bit of a,

you know, love-in.

[Skin] Politicians,

they just use you for their end

and to rub shoulders with you,

and once they've got that little bit

of reflected glory,

they're off to go f*ck up

some other people's sh*t, you know?

[McGee] People loved

Tony Blair in the '90s.

He was cool.

He wasn't that cool when

he decided to b*mb Iraq.

[cheering and applause]

[reporter 5] A victorious

Labour Prime Minister

at the gates of Downing Street,

and a piece of political history.

And so, to this moment,

swept in on a tide of support

not seen in post-w*r politics

Tony Blair's election

had a lot to do with the youth vote.

All the people that liked Britpop

voted for Tony Blair.

[applause continues]

[Price] Labour's victory came in 1997,

which was the year

of the Britpop comedown.

We'd had this kind of moment

that was building and building

to this kind of peak of excitement

and then it had to crash.

I think the first time I thought

the wheels were coming off Britpop

was when I heard

the third Oasis album, Be Here Now.

While not being

a completely terrible album,

by their standards,

it was bloated and overblown.

Those songs weren't becoming anthems,

you weren't hearing them sung in pubs.

Be Here Now got rave reviews,

even when Noel Gallagher himself

thought it wasn't very good. [chuckles]

Everybody was so full of this giddy mood

of, "Isn't everything brilliant?"

that no one wanted to be the one to say,

"I think the party's finished now,

think we better call a taxi."

Things that rise quickly crash quickly.

We used to tour, and it would be

sold out, sold out, sold out, sold out

and it just became normal.

And then, literally,

I think, two years later,

I remember playing a university show

and it was half empty.

No one came to see us.

'Cause students are the first

to change over, they've moved on,

and the next lot of students

were into different music.

All of a sudden, Britpop was over.

You're like Sherlock Holmes,

"Who k*lled him?"

"Come on, Watson!

Let's find out who k*lled Britpop."

Britpop ran its course

because those bands ran out of steam.

Once you get yourself out of that label,

then you can start going places

which are far more interesting

than three chords and a Union Jack.

- [birds chirping]

- [cows mooing]

[James] I think at that stage we did need

to just go off and do something else,

'cause by that point, everybody was

putting trumpets on their records

and I'd be quite happy

never to hear another trumpet.

You can only write about, "Isn't it great

to be English at the moment?" for so long.

We felt we'd said

what there was to say about that,

the Englishness thing,

and we were starting to look at

modern American underground music

and shifting our attention back there,

really, back to that side of the pond.

It was just, like, back to basics,

just the four of us, keep it simple.

Strangely, that was

that was our biggest record.

["Song 2" playing]

Whoo-hoo! ♪

Whoo-hoo! ♪

Whoo-hoo! ♪

Blur coming back with "Song 2,"

it did feel like a sort of 180-degree turn

because only, what, four years before,

Damon Albarn had been telling me

I remember him saying,

"I've come to k*ll grunge."

And then Blur

makes this brilliant grunge record.

It's knowing, innit?

It's a bit camper than Nirvana ever were.

Whoo-hoo! ♪

When I feel heavy metal ♪

Whoo-hoo! ♪

And I'm pins and I'm needles ♪

I remember, I was in the pool

drinking a bottle of champagne

at eleven o'clock in the morning,

and we got a call saying "Song 2" has just

been added to super heavy rotation at MTV,

which basically just guarantees

that you'll have a massive hit record

And I ordered another bottle of champagne.

Yeah, it felt good, still does.

The time we had an American hit,

I remember that.

Whoo-hoo! ♪

Well, I lie and I'm easy ♪

[Rowntree] Pretty much every brand

of car has used it to sell a new model,

every kind of sports team has used it.

With massive great guitar and drum riff,

shouting "whoo-hoo,"

What's not to like about that?

[James] They're still playing that song

at American football games, aren't they?

People thought after Blur and Oasis,

that that was kind of it

"What are those guys doing now?"

Well, actually,

playing stadiums in America.

Whoo-hoo! ♪

When I feel heavy metal ♪

Whoo-hoo! ♪

Blur escaped its Britpop genesis.

It's incredible that the stuff

that we did 25 years ago

still resonates all around the world.

We made several missteps in our career,

you know, it has to be said.

Nowadays, if your first single

doesn't chart, you can forget it.

That's a shame

because it means that bands like us

probably wouldn't succeed now,

and obviously for me,

I think that's tragic.

For lots of other people,

they would think, "Thank God."

It's like the collapse of Rome,

that's the terrible, terrible thing,

is that

that kind of record company structure,

which had talent scouts in every venue

in London every night of the week

That's all collapsed.

All the music press is gone,

nobody watches telly anymore.

What do you do

if you want to be a drunk bass player

in a rock and roll band?

I don't know. I've started making cheese.

[cow moos]

[British national anthem playing]