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01x07 - What Can a Song Do?

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "This Is Pop". Aired: March 6, 2021.*

01x07 - What Can a Song Do?

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[police sirens wailing]

[crowd shouting faintly]

[shouting swells]

["Nina Cried Power" by Hozier playing]

It's not the wakin', it's the risin' ♪

It is the groundin'

Of a foot uncompromisin' ♪

[man 1] There are

always people who abuse power.

Not just people on the right,

people on the left,

people in the middle, anywhere.

[clamoring]

[man 1] But there are people

who don't want to be part of this

and who are fighting back.

And one of the ways of fighting back

is to write and sing songs.

It's not the song, it is the singin' ♪

It's the heaven

Of the human spirit ringin' ♪

[man 2] By itself,

a song is not going to stop

racism or violence and hatred.

We're in a moment now in which

violence and racism are back on the rise.

- Oh, I could cry power ♪

- Power ♪

[crowd yelling]

[man 3] It'd be great

if a song could change the world.

I know, everyone would love that,

but that's not what it does.

Music has no agency.

Only people have agency.

So, okay,

what can a song do?

Billie, power

Dylan, power ♪

Woody, power ♪

Nina cried power ♪

- [sirens wailing]

- [shouting]

[screaming echoes]

- [siren wails]

- [cars honk]

[traffic sounds]

[Hozier] Writing songs

and putting them out there into the world

is serious business.

When you think about a song as a vehicle

and what that vehicle can carry,

a song can be

a very, very important medium

for spreading a message.

For example,

it can remind institutionalized power

where true power lies.

That it's with the people.

[spray paint can softly rattling]

["Fight the Power"

by Public Enemy playing]

[crowd chanting] Go, go, go, go, go!

- 1989 the number another summer ♪

- Get down ♪

Sound of the funky drummer ♪

Music hitting your heart

'Cause I know you got soul ♪

- Brothers and sisters ♪

- Hey ♪

Listen if you're missing, y'all ♪

- Swinging while I'm singing ♪

- Hey ♪

Giving what you're getting ♪

Knowing what I know

And while the Black band's sweating ♪

And the rhythm rhymes rolling ♪

- Got to give us what we want ♪

- Uh! ♪

- Gotta give us what we need ♪

- Hey ♪

Our freedom of speech

Is freedom or death ♪

We got to fight the powers that be ♪

Fight the power ♪

[Chuck D] In the '80s in New York,

we had our own circumstances

and situations.

When Black people screamed

and said that this was a problem,

white America, like it always does,

doesn't pick up on it

because they don't care about it

until it becomes a problem.

You can scream as loud as you want,

but until you break some windows,

that's when they say,

"Oh, we've gotta do something about this."

It's like American pie.

No we're not the same

'Cause we don't know the game ♪

What we need is awareness

We can't get careless ♪

You say, "What is this?" ♪

With the racial and ethnic strife

happening under the mayoralty of Ed Koch

in the '80s New York City,

there were a number of prominent incidents

that we all remember and were ignited by.

There was a graffiti writer

by the name of Michael Stewart

who engaged in a confrontation with NYPD

and he wound up dead.

There was also an incident

with a young man named Michael Griffith

whose car had engine trouble

and had to walk around

an Italian American section of Queens,

and they were chased to the point

where Michael Griffith

ran on to the highway

and was hit by a car and k*lled.

- I will never forget

- [crowd echoing] I will never forget

- Michael Griffith.

- [crowd] Michael Griffith.

[Stephany] There are

so many things that were going on

that stoked the tensions

of 1980s New York.

So, Spike Lee gets on his bicycle

and rides from his apartment

to my apartment and says,

"I have this film script

you've got to check out."

"It's called Do the Right Thing."

"It's about the hottest day

in New York City

when all sorts of stuff jumps off,

and I need Public Enemy

to do a great song for it."

"Fight the Power" was, um

was purely on the power of Spike Lee

taking sight and sound

and making it happen.

I mean, "Fight the Power"

was already a big hit

with The Isley Brothers in 1975

as a protest record.

It said something to protest the power

and how Black folks weren't getting ours.

Coming up with an anthem for Spike Lee's

movie Do the Right Thing in 1989,

all I have to do is think back

to that song 14 years earlier,

how I was hit,

and come up with my own interpretation

of fighting the power,

three words that say a lot.

Fight the power

You gotta fight the powers that be ♪

Chuck, in his hip-hop kind of way,

was trying to reach back

and grab that sense of energy

that the Isley Brothers had been

trying to push back in the '70s,

but bringing it up to date

for, uh, a new generation.

For a generation that was

facing increased racism,

in which it doesn't seem like

traditional politics is the answer.

It was the '80s,

in which everything seemed

to be aligned against young people,

particularly young people of color.

"Fight the Power" happened to capture

through music, lyrics and rhythm,

a deep-seated feeling

that needed to be expressed.

[Chuck D] That's why Public Enemy

came out with the songs that we had.

We're gonna use rap music,

'cause we're not into

complacent, sorry,

sleepy-a*s syrupy music out of context.

"Fight The Power" means, like,

if there's a foot that's on your shoulder

keeping you from going forward,

pushing you back,

you've got to fight that that gravity.

Let's get this party started ♪

- Right on ♪

- Come on ♪

What we got to say? ♪

Power to the people, no delay ♪

Make everybody see ♪

In order to fight the powers that be ♪

Fight the power ♪

Fight the power ♪

Fight the power ♪

- [man on bullhorn] What do we do?

- [crowd] Fight the power!

- [man on bullhorn] What do we do?

- [crowd] Fight the power!

I think the song resonates 30 years later

because we're in a moment

that's not unlike 1989.

- [crowd chanting]

- [Chang] To hear that song now,

it does to us

the same thing that it did in 1989,

it gets us to think about

what we need to do.

[reporter] Across the country,

hundreds were arrested

in continual protests

over police shootings of Black citizens.

- [man] Hands up.

- [crowd] Don't sh**t.

- [man] Hands up.

- [crowd] Don't sh**t.

[Stephany] Sadly, the current politics

mirror 30, 40 years ago.

So, is it troubling

that we're still addressing

many of the same issues in our music

that we did in "Fight The Power"

and Do the Right Thing?

Yeah, it's troubling,

but it's also energizing

that we still have art

that responds to it.

["Fight the Power" continues playing]

I'm gonna end up talking

about these things until the day I die

because it's the job.

The job of an artist

is to try to make the roads better

for those generations coming up.

I came in this world not knowing

what the hell was going on.

I lived, paid attention, listened,

and see what I can do about doing my part.

[indistinct chanting]

["Fight the Power" fades]

- [sirens wail in distance]

- [car horns honk]

[Hozier] Of course, a song matters

and has always mattered.

Nina Simone, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan.

Woody Guthrie.

They sang about the times

that they lived in in their work,

they did so as honestly as possible,

they put their values into their work.

And I suppose the questions

that they posed will always be relevant.

The questions of

what it means to be a person

and what does it mean to be free?

And what does it mean

to live without shame in this society?

Those will always be relevant.

["This Land Is Your Land"

by Woody Guthrie playing]

This land is your land ♪

And this land is my land ♪

From California

To the New York island ♪

From the redwood forest ♪

To the Gulf Stream waters ♪

This land was made for you and me ♪

As I went walking

That ribbon of highway ♪

I saw above me that endless skyway ♪

Saw below me that golden valley ♪

[Arlo] My dad used to say that,

"The job of a folk singer

is to disturb the comfortable

and comfort the disturbed."

Underlying it is the belief

that you can't be afraid

to affront some people

and you can't be afraid to comfort others.

The primary focus of folk music

has always been

to bring the news of one place

to somewhere else.

And to get people

talking about it and thinking about it

and laughing about it, or crying about it,

or angry about it, or whatever.

That's the culture that I grew up in

because my father was doing that.

All around me a voice was sounding ♪

This land was made for you and me ♪

When I first came to America in 1984,

I knew who Woody Guthrie was

because I'd been a Bob Dylan fan

and I'd read in biographies that Dylan

was hugely influenced by Woody.

But you really couldn't find Woody's

records in the late '70s in England

unless you went to a specialist shop.

So, I'd never really heard

his whole catalog.

So, coming to

the United States of America on tour,

being able to find Woody's music

and taking that home

was quite significant for me.

You know, I was trying to find out

if music could change the world.

To the New York island ♪

[Arlo] I've seen a lot of speculation

about the origins

of "This Land is Your Land,"

trying to say that my father

wasn't patriotic

and didn't like the song

"God Bless America."

As matter of fact, the original title

for "This Land Is Your Land"

is "God Blessed America."

So, to suggest that

he didn't like "God Bless America"

is a little far-fetched.

I mean, yeah, you can probably

make an argument for it,

but you can make an argument

for a ham sandwich, you know.

[woman singing]

As I went walking I saw a sign there ♪

And on the sign said

"No Trespassing" ♪

♪ But on the other side

It didn't say nothing ♪

That side was made for you and me ♪

[Arlo] I think my dad's experience

is what led him to write the song.

That he had actually gone from California

to the West Coast to the East Coast.

And what he saw inspired him.

That the people had an ideal

that they would strive for,

not just an economic ideal,

but a political ideal:

that if we all could just

work together a little more

we could do amazing things.

[newsreel announcer] Down on

the Rio Grande, on the Mexican border,

Mexicans mostly do the work.

And, yes, we will build the wall.

We've already started planning.

- It will be built.

- [crowd cheering]

Nobody living

Can ever make me turn back ♪

This land was made for ♪

The idea that the world itself

was made for everybody

not only resonates,

but is still controversial.

[crowd singing]

From California to the New York island ♪

From the redwood forest

To the Gulf Stream waters ♪

This land was made for you and me ♪

[crowd chanting] You will not replace us!

You will not replace us!

- You will not replace us!

- White power!

- You will not replace us!

- White power!

- You will not replace us!

- White power.

- [dogs barking]

- [men shouting]

["Strange Fruit"

by Billie Holiday playing]

Southern trees ♪

Bear a strange fruit ♪

Blood on the leaves ♪

And blood at the root ♪

Black bodies swinging ♪

In the Southern breeze ♪

Strange fruit hanging ♪

From the poplar trees ♪

[Lordi] "Strange Fruit"

is not automatically

included in the canon

of American protest music

because it's not

an explicit call to community.

It's not a "we can do this." It's not,

"This land was made for you and me."

It doesn't issue a call to action.

Instead, it's an invitation to mourn

and to make something

of Black oppression in the US.

[man] Christ himself was

the greatest teacher of segregation.

You never yet found a blackbird

in a bluebird's nest.

Unless he was there to steal the eggs.

You mix with your own kind.

Pastoral scene of the gallant South ♪

The bulging eyes ♪

And the twisted mouth ♪

[Lordi] In 1930,

there is an infamous photograph

that circulates of a lynching.

Two Black men

were lynched in a town in Indiana.

And there is a white,

Jewish school teacher in the Bronx,

named Abel Meeropol,

who's one of many people

who sees this photograph.

He composes this poetic protest

against contemporary lynching.

Then the sudden smell ♪

Of burning flesh ♪

[Lordi] The way Billie Holiday

performed "Strange Fruit"

was very understated

but also very dramatic.

It was always the last song in her set.

They insisted on

stopping the café service.

Everyone would be silent

and they would have

just a single spotlight on Billie Holiday,

who would just stand still

confronting the audience

and sing these lyrics.

She kind of created a space

between herself

and the song and the audience,

and invited people to come in, you know,

and to care about this issue

and its broader resonances.

For Billie Holiday

to be singing "Strange Fruit"

is to say, "Here's racism."

"Here's what you have done

with the history of sl*very

to us and our people."

What "Strange Fruit" is,

is an invitation to say,

"All of you who do not live this pain

are invited now to understand

what this pain is about."

Here is a fruit ♪

For the crows to pluck ♪

"Strange Fruit" definitely

still has relevance today

as one of the first songs to speak to

the reality of the brutalization

of Black people:

physical, emotional, psychic, spiritual.

This is what they represent.

[crowd shouting loudly]

Black people will continue

to speak truth to power

and perform a kind of resilience

in the face of

this incredibly brutal experience.

Here is a strange ♪

And bitter ♪

Crop ♪

[audience applauds]

["Ball Of Confusion"

by The Temptations playing]

People moving out, people moving in ♪

Why?

Because of the color of their skin ♪

Run, run, run but you sure can't hide ♪

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth ♪

Vote for me and I'll set you free ♪

Rap on, brother, rap on ♪

I didn't really grow up

in a political family.

In some ways I was politicized

by the music I was listening to.

Early on, when I was 11, 12, 13 years old,

I really got into the music of Motown

through their

compilation albums of hit singles.

Smokey Robinson, Four Tops,

The Supremes, Marvin Gaye.

Although Motown

was an African American label,

it was a label that sought

a white mainstream audience.

[Lordi] Motown Records in Detroit

was not known as being

the most politically engaged label.

On the contrary, Motown owner Berry Gordy

tended to want his artists

not to speak about

or engage with the pressing

social issues of the moment,

namely the civil rights movement.

[King] It is humiliating

for anybody to say to me

that I have got to live

in some segregated place

because of the color of my skin.

And I'm saying to America

that we as Negroes

are going to live anywhere

that we want to live,

just like other people.

[crowd applauds]

[Robert F. Kennedy]

I have some very sad news for all of you

and people who love peace

all over the world.

And that is that Martin Luther King

was shot and was k*lled tonight

in Memphis, Tennessee.

[crowd screams]

Dr. King has been assassinated

and the civil rights movement

has come to boiling point

in the United States of America.

There was a change of tone

and this has been reflected through

the mainstream pop music of Motown.

And there was a song by Edwin Starr

called "w*r."

Marvin Gaye is singing

"Abraham, Martin and John."

The Temptations

were singing "Ball of Confusion."

[crowd clamoring]

Aggravation, humiliation,

Obligation to our nation ♪

Ball of confusion ♪

- [siren wails]

- [crowd shouts loudly]

That's what the world is today

Hey, hey ♪

[interviewer] What about racism?

That was an era of civil rights movements.

[Otis Williams]

It was very prevalent, I mean,

because we encountered quite a bit of it.

You know? And so, we found it

kind of hard to perform.

But once we started performing,

they listened to us

beyond the music that we made.

[interviewer] Yeah.

And it shows you that music

can be used for a far-reaching platform

rather than just getting out there,

doing what we're noted to do.

Evolution, revolution,

g*n control, sound of soul ♪

sh**ting rockets to the moon

Kids growing up too soon ♪

Politicians say more taxes

Will solve everything ♪

And the band played on ♪

[Bragg] It was the whole turmoil

of late '60s America

was coming through into the mainstream,

spilling into the mainstream music.

Not from the outside.

This was the mainstream itself

expressing the frustration,

the struggle, the anger.

The fact that the troubles

of the civil rights movement

had permeated all the way through

to me being able

to discern something had happened

as a twelve-year-old in London

Obviously, I knew Dr. King

had been m*rder*d, I'd heard about that,

but here it was changing the tone

of the music that I loved.

Artists couldn't ignore

what was happening in their own community.

We've all seen it

in the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s.

They're fighting back through music

and we still see that today.

Oh, great googamooga

Can't you hear me talking to you? ♪

Ball of confusion ♪

That's what the world is today

Hey, hey ♪

[audience cheers]

[Hozier] There is something about song

that sticks to people.

It sticks with their experience

and follows them through generations.

What I'm fascinated about song

is it as a vehicle for storytelling,

as a vehicle for the immortalizing

of the human experience

and of a shared experience of people

in that community.

["Stadium Pow Wow"

by A Tribe Called Red playing]

[reporter] It isn't often

a musical group can be credited with

creating real social change.

But that's just what these DJs are doing,

honoring their communities

within Canada's Indigenous culture

and representing them along with people

of all backgrounds on the dance floor.

[DJ 1] Within electronic music

we're taking that next step

to really bring home a message.

But also,

it's always about representation.

The origin story of Tribe

goes back to a club night

in Ottawa in 2008.

You know, we're all working DJs

and decided to come together,

throw a party as Indigenous DJs

for our community.

[DJ 2] We had started something

that people wanted,

that people felt was necessary,

a safe inclusive space

within the club environment,

within the urban environment,

for Indigenous people to gather.

[music intensifies]

There was a time where we weren't allowed

to sing any of our traditional songs

or do any of our traditional dances.

There was a cultural ban in Canada.

[reporter] The reasons behind

the residential school system

were simple and sinister.

To take children away from their homes,

families, and traditions,

and to assimilate them

into a culture that was not their own.

After that,

when people started reclaiming culture,

any song became a protest song.

[all vocalizing]

[DJ 1] By asserting your connection

to your culture and your history

through music was a protest

because everything was being done

to stop that from happening.

[singing]

[trilling]

[DJ 2] We were supposed

to be annihilated hundreds of years ago.

So, the fact that we're alive right now

and just living and breathing

is a political statement in itself.

The greatest political acts that we do,

is just because we're Indigenous dudes

DJing on a stage in front of people.

["Stadium Pow Wow" playing]

[DJ 1] What we could do and what

we could affect the most as performers

is how we're represented, how we're seen,

showing ourselves the way that

our community looks and acts today.

If you look back at history,

Indigenous people have never

had control of their own image.

It's always been through the lens

of somebody else.

Making it okay for people of our community

to come out and enjoy themselves

and be seen having a good time,

we discovered, is very political. [laughs]

- [music intensifies]

- [crowd cheering]

[Bear] The first time that we ever played

a show that was predominantly white

was the first time we went to Europe.

And we very quickly had to figure out

what that meant to us.

So when we're playing

to a non-Indigenous audience

then that's what we're there to do,

to show ourselves

in the way that we want to be seen.

[music intensifies]

[DJ 1] I never want to be the person

standing up here saying,

"You're r*cist,

the way you think is wrong."

I want to be able to show people things

that then they can

go through their own experiences.

That begins to be the basis

of having a conversation

because we start to see these things

through each other's eyes.

[Hill] Especially in the club environment,

especially where people

are there to have a good time,

you hit them with these messages,

and in the moment it might feel funny

and it might feel light,

but, at some point,

if you let them think about it themselves,

that actually creates a real change.

[loud cheering]

["Rebel Girl" by Bikini k*ll playing]

That girl thinks she's the queen

Of the neighborhood ♪

She's got the hottest trike in town ♪

That girl

She holds her head up so high ♪

I think I wanna be

Her best friend, yeah ♪

Rebel girl, rebel girl ♪

Rebel girl

You are the queen of my world ♪

[Wolfe] In the space within punk music

that is usually dominated by total bros,

the Riot Grrrl scene was about

creating the community you want to see.

We realized that it was important to

take DIY from punk and do it ourselves.

If you want to have a say, if you want

to have a voice, you have to create it.

[crowd shouting]

[Wolfe] You don't like

that it's boy dominated?

Then, okay, let's make

a girl g*ng within the punk scene.

We're like,

"Let's really fight the power here

to make a safe space for women."

There's revolution ♪

When she talks, I hear the revolution ♪

In her kiss, I taste the revolution ♪

The Riot Grrrl movement

started in the summer of 1991

and this was a really important time

for women's issues

in American politics, especially.

At this point,

there's been almost 12 years

of backlash against feminism.

This came to a head in 1991

with the Anita Hill hearings.

[reporter 1] All eyes have been

on Washington and Capitol Hill this week

as Clarence Thomas seeks a seat

on the Supreme Court.

Professor Anita Hill has testified

she was sexually harassed by Thomas,

allegations he denies.

[reporter 2] Thomas supporters celebrated.

It was the narrowest victory

in the Supreme Court's history.

[Marcus] This really woke up

the nation's consciousness

to the problem of sexual harassment,

the fact that sexism was not dead.

A number of feminist bands,

including Bratmobile and Bikini k*ll,

got together and responded

to the political forces

that were trying to control their lives,

through music.

That girl thinks

She's the queen of the neighborhood ♪

I got news for you, she is! ♪

They say she's a sl*t, but I know ♪

[guitar picking]

[woman cheering]

[Wolfe] Bikini k*ll,

and Kathleen especially,

was the person

who started saying at their shows,

"Girls to the front,"

and create this safe space for women,

because shows

were a lot more violent then.

It was a scary place to jump into the pit

unless you were a tough girl.

I wasn't a tough girl.

I loved going to shows,

but I was always kind of in the background

and a wallflower and whatnot. And

finally, I thought,

"You know, I can participate in this."

So, pretty much everyone

in the Riot Grrrl scene

was advocating for that.

Sometimes people

were passing out flyers, explaining,

"Please make a safe space for women."

And sometimes we'd say it on stage.

There's a lot of backlash

with stuff like that.

Like, sometimes the guys in the scene

were just kind of trying to bro us out

with, "Their politics

are more important than ours."

But that's kind of

how you start change, I think,

is on a community level.

[chuckles] When I would go and see

Bikini k*ll as a teenager,

just this amazing sense

of, like, anything's possible.

You can take up the space,

make as much noise as you want,

and there was just a sea of feminists

on every side of you. [chuckles]

It felt so amazing.

[music intensifies]

[Wolfe] Sometimes people will say,

"Well, Riot Grrrl is dead."

And I do think, to a certain extent,

Riot Grrrl was part of

a certain time and place.

But I think some of the concepts

can live on and can be updated.

And we've always been proponents of that.

Take the stuff and use it

to whatever speaks to you. You know?

Like, whatever speaks to you,

take it and use it. Change it.

I think as long as sexism exists,

so must Riot Grrrl.

She is my best friend, yeah ♪

Rebel girl, rebel girl ♪

Rebel girl

You are the queen of my world ♪

- [chanting] We believe

- [chanting] Anita Hill!

- We believe

- Christine Ford!

- We believe

- Anita Hill!

- We believe

- Christine Ford!

- We believe

- Anita Hill!

- We believe

- Christine Ford!

- We believe

- Anita Hill!

- We believe

- Christine Ford!

[song fades]

[Hozier] It's that thing

of the personal being political.

Everything that is personally experienced

has a political dimension to it.

If you're struggling to pay the rent,

to pay for the clothes you wear,

the food that you eat,

they all have a very important

political dimension to them.

You absolutely can put the essence

of the bigger questions,

of the bigger issues, into a song.

[crowd softly chattering]

[crowd chanting indistinctly]

[woman singing "Quiet"]

♪scare them all away ♪

If I let them hear ♪

What I have to say ♪

- I can't keep quiet ♪

- No, no, no, no ♪

[MILCK] Writing "Quiet"

was a very personal journey for me.

I think I had been trying to write a song

to release this tension

that had been building in my body

over the course of my entire lifetime.

When I started to understand

that my sexual as*ault was not my fault

Because I spent 10 years

feeling like, "Oh, my goodness."

"I have brought shame and badness"

"I've attracted it

'cause something is wrong

and broken within me,

and that's why that happened to me."

So, for years I just blamed myself.

But there was a moment where I was like,

"What if this this ugliness in my life

was not my fault? It just happened."

When I was writing "Quiet,"

I didn't have a conscious awareness

that I'm writing a protest song.

I wrote a song to heal myself,

and I wrote a song to free myself.

- I can't keep quiet ♪

- No, no, no, no ♪

- A one-woman riot ♪

- No, no, no, no ♪

[MILCK] The Women's March

on January 21st, 2017

was just mobs of people

charged with emotions.

And when we sang,

the people gathered around,

people pulled out their phones

and started filming and we'd cry,

and then we'd go

to the next group of people and sing.

It was just an offering.

I can't keep quiet ♪

I think "Quiet" resonated with people

because I wrote it from a place

of not feeling safe,

seen, or heard in my own life.

And I think I was a micro reflection

of what was happening on a macro scale.

If I don't say something ♪

Take that dry blue pill ♪

They may see a monster ♪

They may run away ♪

But I have to do this ♪

- I can't keep quiet ♪

- No, no, no, no ♪

We happened to intersect

with a woman named Alma Har'el,

who filmed the performance on her phone.

The video got 14 million views

in a couple of days.

After the song went viral,

that's when all the stories

of sexual as*ault and abuse

started coming in.

Hundreds of emails.

I'm still going through

stories of people's struggles

and how they related to "Quiet."

[singing "Quiet"]

[MILCK] And three weeks later,

1,500 people in Gothenburg

and 1,500 people in Stockholm,

a choir in Ghana,

they just started rising on their own.

If I don't say something ♪

Take that dry blue pill ♪

They may see that monster ♪

They may run away ♪

But I have to do this ♪

[Marcus] A song can create

a sense of not being alone

in the way you feel about

how things are going on in the world.

You might think that you're

the only person who is having trouble

with the pervasive sexism

in your high school, in your town.

And then listening to a song

makes you realize that

there are other people

who feel the way you do.

That can make you feel more emboldened

to take some kind of action.

I feel like artists

don't really have power

unless we are also part of a movement.

And I think I was just

surfing the beginning tides.

But, lo and behold, months later

the Me Too Movement started bubbling.

Women will be silent no more!

That we've come

to this moment of justice is staggering,

but it will mean the most

to the brave women testifying

and to all of us silence-breakers.

I thank those testifying

for standing not just for themselves,

but for all of us who will never

have even one day in court.

[crowd] Me too!

- [woman] Me too!

- [crowd] Me too.

[crowd] Ooh-ah ♪

[MILCK] I can't keep quiet ♪

[crowd]

Let it out, let it out, let it out now ♪

[MILCK] No, I can't keep quiet ♪

Let it out, let it out, let it out now ♪

[MILCK]

Must be someone who understands ♪

Let it out, let it out, let it out now ♪

[MILCK] One thing I've learned is that

the gift of melody that comes from a song

helps people get transported to a place

where they can access pain and trauma.

I know the power of music

and how it can do such beautiful things.

Let it out, let it out, let it out now ♪

[MILCK] Yeah ♪

Let it out, let it out, let it out now ♪

[silence]

[loud cheering]

[producer] Okay, this is Hozier, take one.

- ["Take Me To Church" by Hozier playing]

- My lover's got humor ♪

She's the giggle at a funeral ♪

Knows everybody's disapproval ♪

An act of protest can be many things

and especially nowadays,

and increasingly so, I'm sorry to say,

you know, it's true that

telling the truth and just being honest

can be a radical act.

Telling an uncomfortable truth

can be a very,

very important and radical act.

My church offers no absolutes ♪

She tells me,

"Worship in the bedroom" ♪

The only heaven I'll be sent to ♪

Is when I'm alone with you ♪

I was born sick, but I love it ♪

Command me to be well ♪

Amen ♪

Amen, Amen ♪

Take me to church ♪

I'll worship like a dog

At the shrine of your lies ♪

"Take Me to Church"

was first a series of lyrical ideas

where I was reflecting quite a bit

on the legacy of the institutionalized

Roman Catholic Church at home in Ireland.

How it had treated people, etc.

How The soft power that it had held

over people's lives for so long.

Here was this organization that had

managed to instill in a society

this matrix of thought and values

which was deeply hypocritical

and incredibly damaging.

[soft hymnal singing]

[Hozier] To use the Church's own words,

they view h*m* as something

that is intrinsically disordered,

something that is unnatural.

When you have

an organization of that power,

that provides this sort of

God-given justification

for alienating and othering

and persecuting people

of that sexual orientation.

If I'm a pagan of the good times ♪

My lover's the sunlight ♪

To keep the goddess on my side ♪

She demands a sacrifice ♪

[Hozier] At the time,

there were these horrendous attacks

that were taking place against

members of the LGBTQ community in Russia.

There had been an increase

in attacks carried out

by essentially neo-n*zi gangs

against LGBTQ youths.

They posed as other young people

in chat rooms and message boards

to lure 14, 15, 16-year-olds to places

where they thought they would be safe

and they attacked them

and filmed those attacks,

uh, and would t*rture them on camera

and post those on social media.

[reporter 1] The g*y pride march

in Moscow is banned by police

and g*y activists are

prevented from demonstrating.

They are protesting against the new law

voted in several regions.

The bill outlaws so-called

h*m* propaganda

to be used against any g*y action.

[reporter 2] Many feel this is

quite simply a crackdown on gays.

The inevitable arrests

have become almost routine.

No masters or kings

When the ritual begins ♪

♪ There is no sweeter innocence ♪

Than our gentle sin ♪

[Hozier] That was where

"Take Me to Church" came from.

It was discrimination

against people in same-sex relationships

and that song managed to cross borders.

And it seemed to resonate

with people across

yeah, across a wide space.

If you're writing songs

and you are honest with it,

and you believe in

what it is you are writing,

and you're willing to live and die by it,

surely your hope is that

the more people

that hear that, the better.

Take me to church ♪

I'll worship like a dog

At the shrine of your lies ♪

I'll tell you my sins

And you can sharpen your knife ♪

I didn't expect it

to translate to audiences

of the size that it did.

I thought maybe it would be appreciated

by a very, very small audience.

I thought my music as a whole would be

- Quite a big audience.

- Yeah yeah, it did.

It grew, it really did. [laughs]

It just kept growing and growing.

Awards are amazing

and I'm absolutely bowled over

by the fact that I won,

but for me the motivation

is always just to be honest with the music

and I think I've been fortunate

people connected with that.

Why write about one thing

as opposed to just writing pop bangers?

Um

I just find it more interesting,

if nothing else.

It's a fascinating world out there.

Not always not always a pretty world.

In fact, a terrifyingly, uh,

uh, a terrifyingly brutal world at times.

It's not the wall

But what's behind it ♪

["Nina Cried Power" by Hozier playing]

Oh, the fear of fellow men

His mere assignment ♪

And everything that we're denied ♪

By keepin' the divide ♪

It's not the wakin'

It's the risin' ♪

[Hozier] We find ourselves in music

and we feel less alone.

To me, that is the North Star

and the guiding light

of what a song can do.

If you have a song

that articulates something

that you can't yourself put into words,

and a thousand other people

are singing it and you're singing it,

you feel that your feelings are something

that the other people understand.

And that solidarity of song

is a real important part

of how music

can make a difference to people.

Hearing a song makes you feel like

you're capable of more than you thought.

That you're capable of surviving

more than you might've thought.

And that also you have a community

that's bigger and stronger

than you might have ever

had cause to believe.

That to me is really the power of music.

And I could cry power ♪

Power has been cried

By those stronger than me ♪

Straight into the face that tells you

To rattle your chains ♪

If you love bein' free ♪

[Hozier] When you're in a collective space

and you're all sharing and listening

and singing a song you found yourself in,

you found your own sorrow in,

or you found your own loss,

your own grief in,

you found your own joy in,

it's something, ultimately,

that makes us feel less alone.

Nina cried power ♪

[song ends]

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- [cars softly honking]

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[faint chanting, clapping]