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01x02 - Wood Wide Web

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Choose Earth". Aired: December 10, 2025.*
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Anne de Carbuccia meeting Earth Protectors defending our planet.

01x02 - Wood Wide Web

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There is this beautiful saying

of Estonian nature scientists,

that the swamps are the center of silence.

This is not water, this is not a land,

it's a world itself.

There is no owner of this place.

Estonians are silent people.

We have a lot of dialogue inside us

and I believe we identify ourselves

with swamps exactly because of that.

Everything is magnified

because there is not so much of it.

Historically, swamps have been also places

where Estonians have been hiding

from the wars, from the enemies.

You have to know how to navigate here,

because you step in the wrong place

and you sink through.

Maybe I also hide somehow here.

As human beings

we are mirroring things around us.

I think there is so much noise that

it is not so easy to find the silence

in us.

The silent places

are really necessary to mirror,

So you can create your music in that,

and then go out there and be a better

human being because of that silence.

I am Jared Cairuna Cauper,

from the Nuevo Saposoa Native Community.

My Shipibo name is Gushamani.

It means a strong and kind man.

My ancestors lived here,

generation after generation,

we've grown up on this land.

I was born to protect nature.

I am a park ranger

in Sierra del Divisor National Park.

For me, both things are important,

being a park ranger and being Indigenous,

I take care of the forest both ways.

Sometimes I sit under a tree,

looking at the trees, I wonder,

what will happen to them,

will they survive, will they disappear?

They stand there,

growing on their own,

years upon years,

thousands of years,

and they have

no way to defend themselves.

There is a theory in science that explains

that if we look close enough,

everything is composed

of strings of energy,

everything is made

of unbelievably tiny strings,

and that the fundamental

building-blocks of nature

are not particles but instead strings.

Imagine microscopic wiggling rubber bands,

connecting and interconnecting everything,

from one side of the planet to the other.

Behaving as one single organism is

something that trees seem to already do.

They all communicate through

an underground network of fungi

even if they are not related.

These intricate systems

consist in tiny threads of mycelium,

like a giant wood wide web

of communication and interdependence.

There is that world alongside ours,

vast and slow

that can be reciprocal or negotiable

and perhaps selfless.

It only seems to be visible

to some of us.

Pucallpa is a Shipibo city,

created by the Shipibo people.

Over time, the population grew and

now there's nothing left of the Shipibo.

- Of the Shipibo?

- Yes.

Pucallpa had a Shipibo name?

Mai Joshin, Pucallpa.

Colorful land.

Mostly, people come

from the Amazon region.

Drawn by the resources we have,

our rich flora and fauna.

It's very concerning,

the population keeps growing,

and human activities are hurting us a lot.

More people means more pollution,

more troubles,

more activities, legal or not.

It all impacts our environment.

- Is your mom here, in Pucallpa?

- Yes, she's here now.

- Your dad too?

- No, he lives in the native community.

Most people dream

of becoming something in life,

that's why they come to Pucallpa.

For a better life,

for education, for healthcare.

So, is Pucallpa a necessity?

It's partly a problem

and partly a solution.

We need to find a balance.

What was really shocking

is arriving into the city of Pucallpa,

which is a city inside the Amazon.

So you always imagine

this like incredible,

huge, green, vast, endless place.

And actually you've got

these cities that are really big

and have been built

with absolutely no urban vision.

It's all about trafficking,

whether it's wood,

whether it's humans, whether it's drugs.

But yet, in the same time,

it's also a place of opportunity

for a lot of these communities,

because they're so isolated

that they don't have access to education.

They don't have access to health.

They don't have access to a better life.

And Pucallpa in many,

many ways can give them that.

And so there's this extraordinary duality,

it's both an opportunity and a tragedy.

- How much?

- Only 50 sols.

Ready!

The river.

Sierra del Divisor

is one of the mothers of nature

where all flora and fauna

species reproduce.

Rainforest is alive,

with living organisms we often miss

but they're always there.

The insects and countless others,

all thriving in the forest.

In big countries

there's a lot of pollution,

and we act as a buffer against that.

The Shipibo

are the people of the Ucayali River,

they are the protectors of that river.

They think of the Amazon as a forest,

but it's vital as a river too, right?

It's vital to protect forests

and rivers as well,

people living near the river

depend on its water,

even though the rivers are polluted.

In Peru where some

300,000 mi² of forest exist,

ill*gal gold mining

has caused devastation of its own.

Here in the Amazon, pure 24 carat gold

is extracted by using barrels of mercury.

It's poisonous to human,

to wildlife, it lasts for centuries.

41% of the population have dangerous

levels of a neurotoxin in their bodies.

It's not just the miners

who handle mercury,

but also the people who eat the fish

from contaminated rivers.

We are 14 park rangers,

but with one million,

354 thousand, 485.10 hectares

of protected area.

MINISTRY OF THE ENVIRONMENT - NATIONAL

SERVICE FOR PROTECTED NATURAL AREAS

Navigating the Ucayali River

is very dangerous,

but we still do our work,

risking our lives every day.

Big logging companies

are destroying our forests.

Almost daily, we're fighting

cocaleros and deforestation.

Some Shipibo-Conibo people

have already been k*lled

because of drug trafficking.

Don't you have a g*n?

We're not allowed to carry g*ns,

they're forbidden.

New Human Rights Watch

report suggests that deforestation

is being driven by criminal networks that

the government is failing to stop them.

So-called rainforest mafia groups

organizing ill*gal logging operations

that contribute to forest fires.

The world's biggest rainforest,

the Amazon,

has lost an area the size

of Germany and France combined.

Deforestation is destroying trees

and the species

who rely on them to sustain life.

Biodiversity is declining at an alarming

and unprecedented rate.

It's not just the loss of trees,

entire ecosystems and the countless

species that depend on them are at risk.

Right now, more than one million species

are in danger of extinction,

disappearing at a rate

not seen for 10 million years.

And humans are mostly to blame.

Sometimes it's a cultural object,

sometimes it's organic.

There is a search, there is a quest.

There's definitely a process in what I do.

I arrive on location and I have to get in

contact with it and understand it better.

A tree hug.

Its challenges.

The people who are there,

their challenges.

Their history.

The light, the wind.

The fauna, the flora.

There's so much diversity on our planet.

And every time it's a learning process,

because in my own way

I'm trying to put together

a symbolic representation

of that place through the TimeShrine.

What is this?

This is male Huayruru seeds.

They say it brings good luck.

- It's good luck?

- Yes.

- Ah, okay.

- Yes.

The installation is definitely

the result of, of a sincere communion

between the place and myself,

and the people I've met

and the people who helped me.

It was interesting, I was going out there

in nature around our planet to do art.

What is the girl's name?

But at the end of the day,

the whole story was about us,

about other human beings,

about our species, about our choices.

This is a thorn, be careful.

Primary forests are immense untouched

trees, which no one has cut down.

To see them, we need to journey

two or three days from the city.

To me, cutting down a primary forest,

is like k*lling a person.

If you press it just a little,

a little drop comes out

and you put that in your eye.

What is this?

This helps not to get lost in the forest.

If we are going that direction,

the plants show it's the wrong way,

so we turn back.

- This way?

- Yes, let's go this way.

Through nature,

I brought friends to visit from afar,

they admire your strength,

they're here to capture your image,

to share your wisdom with the world.

That's all.

It should hold.

I need something to elevate. Do we

have a little piece of wood or something?

Let's put it under.

This is one of my symbols.

A symbol of death?

No, of life, the choices we face.

A positive or negative life.

- Ah, positive or negative life.

- Yes.

They are so ugly.

Can we go back one second?

I just need to fix that flower.

Okay.

Everyone in Estonia sings,

like doesn't matter in which way,

but it is impossible not to sing,

we grow up singing with mother's milk.

Singing for us is also like

the form of our culture.

Our grandmothers have taught us,

our mothers have taught us.

We teach our children that singing

is something that is our identity

and forest is sacred.

We have this funny saying of like:

"If you don't behave well, you know, I'll

put you in a song and you never get out".

What an interesting experience!

This folklore song is from stone age.

Can you imagine?

There was no way of writing things down.

I think our cultural

legacy is connected to the fact

that we have been so many times

invaded by other neighbours and cultures.

We were called the pagans,

no religion really stuck on us,

like we keep on doing our things.

Songs was a very important way to transmit

a lot of things that were not written,

but in the same time create some sort

of a form of resistance, would you say?

Definitely,

because during Soviet time we couldn't,

you know, repeat or say that,

or be in a way like

a free nation could be.

But we became super smart and witty

about hiding the messages in the songs,

so we could spread and say to each other

what we wanted to say in a hidden way.

Wow! What is this place?

It's called Linnahall,

which means, the hall of the city.

It was created

for the Olympic Games of Moscow for 1980.

It's a piece of brutal architecture

of the Soviet era.

And there's the sea.

I brought you here because

this is the only

Soviet time public building

that has openness for the sea.

- You mean like an access to the sea?

- Yes.

Because during Soviet time,

although we are a sea Country,

we couldn't reach out to the sea.

You couldn't go to the sea,

to swim or to fish,

because the Soviet regime was afraid

that you would escape the paradise.

Are you saying that the most of the shore

of Estonia had barbed wire?

Yeah, there were fences, and there

were guards every four hours walking by

and they cleaned the beach

to make sure that no one set foot on it.

Camping next to the sea,

using the sea, making fire

or doing things

that you would do on a seaside,

it wasn't really in my vocabulary,

I didn't know that it's possible.

But I remember barbed wire everywhere,

around forests, around the places

that now I'm discovering.

- Are those vegetables?

- Yeah, that a vegetable garden.

This is pumpkin.

And those are strawberries,

tomatoes and

- Oregano!

- Oregano, yes.

Is this a store

or is it just for the community?

It's just for the community.

- So this is your world, Ettie.

- Yeah, it's like a creative neighborhood.

It's the first one that is created out

of this kind of a Soviet huge complex.

- This is my office.

- How many Start-Ups do you have in here?

60, 70, depends.

Like, sometimes more, sometimes less.

I work in Startup Estonia,

it's a governmental organization.

It's kind of a department

of innovation agency

that creates rich ecosystem for Start-ups.

We actually have to be

in forefront of innovation.

Where do you want to be in 30 years? And

in 50? What impulses does society need?

So we are creating impulses for more

deep technology companies to be created,

so that there would be Start-ups that the

scientists would come out of their labs

and create products and services

for the good of the community

quicker than maybe

they would otherwise do.

- This is a mushroom?

- Yeah, this is a mushroom.

- It's like a nature's 3D printing.

- Exactly.

So why is deep technology

so important to you?

The deep technology

is like creating of a bundle,

So under that, there's all kinds

of verticals like climate tech,

and green tech and clean tech

and, you know, we need all of it.

Tackling the really core problems

of the society.

Of the international society

or the national society?

Always international society,

it's from Estonia to the world.

- Hi!

- Hello, welcome.

- Nice to meet you!

- Nice to meet you!

Welcome to the Arbonics office.

We're sort of at the heart of the mixture

of the old and new Tallinn here.

Arbonics is a bridge between a landowner

who wants to do good for the planet,

and the big corporation

who wants to achieve net zero.

We put the companies together who want

to offset part of their kind of product

that they couldn't minimise

in terms of footprint

and landowners

who do the good for the forests.

One hectare of forest can do around

ten tons of carbon storage per year.

It's around one and half European

citizens per year how much they pollute.

So if a landowner decides

not to cut the forest down,

we will get financial rewards

for the landowner from the corporations.

And although the landowner might lose

on the timber revenue,

which are even more, would gain

an alternative that does not exist now.

So we need to create

alternatives for the landowners

to make them behave

in support of our planet.

- Can you look my land?

- Yeah!

So this is what we have here.

This is your land, you know it,

but now you see it from above.

And I will plant the forest.

What can I earn?

Landowners are very pragmatical.

So that means here

is your land area report,

you have less than one hectare to plant,

which is not a huge area, but still.

We also provide

them with like specific report

telling like where exactly based on soil

information to plant which tree type.

If the tree grows, it adds weight, and

that's a ratio of carbon that's stored.

So the bigger the tree, the more

carbon stored, the more money you get.

This makes sense.

For us, it starts with the technology.

Everything is transparent,

you can measure everything.

You can see every plot of the land,

what exactly happened in the past,

happens now, and estimates

what will happen in the future.

Our scientific team is working hard

on kind of building the models,

so I think it needs to be a combination

of nature and science.

All right.

Can I pour you a bit?

So, do you take this everywhere with you?

- Thank you, perfect.

- Yeah.

Sometimes, you know, going in the rain

with a technical stuff on you

and then the other moment going with,

I don't know, like

You want to come with your hat

or with a fancy dress or whatever.

I often do that.

Yeah, it's more like a celebration, right?

It's not like necessarily being there with

your gear and your technical stuff and so…

- Also just being in nature right?

- Yes, exactly.

I love that nature doesn't judge you.

You judge yourself,

but nature doesn't judge you.

You don't have to become someone

else in here. There are no conditions.

- Look at this pathway!

- Yes, it's perfect.

- It's incredibly well maintained.

- Yes.

It's everywhere to protect this fragile

ecosystem, because it's a primary forest.

And you have basically

50% of Estonia is forest, right?

It's actually not anymore 50%, it's

already less. We keep on saying it's 50.

But, on the other hand, there is like this

lobbying in European Union and Commission

of logging more,

and it's not just, you know, here,

it's about everywhere

in areas of a lot of forest.

So one hand we protect

and another hand we destroy.

There's a row developing

between EU countries

over the fate of the continent's

remaining ancient woodland.

The mortality of trees

in French forests,

has increased by 80%

in the past decade.

In the Carpathians, trees

are extracted illegally by criminal gangs.

In Poland, plans to log timber

Everything and I mean,

everything is felled and removed.

Arbonics, they just want

to reinvent the value of the forest.

Does it have more value,

dead or alive, right?

Through the help of science

and technology,

that we could keep those ecosystems

and we could develop solutions

that are creating materials or solutions

that we would need to take it from here.

That's why I'm working in deep tech,

and trying to replace this

economical necessity

to destroy something with one hand

to have this other hand of regenerating.

What are your hopes for you,

for the planet, for Arbonics?

Where do you see us in 2050?

If we continue on the path we are today,

it's going to look very bad.

But there is hope in how many new

projects and solutions are being formed.

Many of those will fail,

but many of them will succeed.

The good thing is that it's up to us

whether we're going

to join forces and change it.

I think it's the biggest challenge

humankind has ever faced.

And if you don't succeed,

then we don't deserve it.

The extent of the biodiversity crisis

is extremely serious,

and we have absolutely no time

to lose to start reversing it.

We sincerely hope

we can stay on the right side of history.

Estonia supports

the nature restoration law.

The law aims to restore at least 20%

of the bloc's land and sea areas by 2030.

In the long term, the law aims

to restore all ecosystems in need by 2050.

There are a lot of large Countries

with a lot of timber industry lobbying

who are very against this law

because they're worried

this might limit what they're able to do.

Concerns on the costs of implementation

make Hungary vote against.

We must avoid negative impacts

in the agriculture sector.

Italy will firmly vote against.

There are no jobs on a dead planet.

Sweden cannot stand behind the agreement.

The European Commission finally approved

a sort of biodiversity protection law.

The majority voted

for the adoption of the text,

so we have formally adopted it.

Thank you very much.

They needed 65%, they got 66%.

And it basically came down

to the vote of one person,

one woman,

a representative from Austria.

We buried for many decades intact nature.

We lost nature

on the concrete and asphalt.

But it doesn't have to be this way

with a sick biodiversity,

there is no healthy

and happy human living on this continent.

She, despite being explicitly told

that she should vote against it,

actually decided in her own words,

thinking of her nieces and nephews

that it was worth risking

her career to vote for it.

In 20 or 30 years

when I will talk to my two nieces

I want to be able to tell them

I tried to support as much as I could.

Drones help us identify

the forested plots.

So we're going to have to send

a drone to the part that is deforested

so we can see if there's no one dangerous

in there, so it's safe for us.

Okay, great. So we just send a drone,

if nobody's there, we can go.

- We can get in, yeah.

- Okay, perfect, great.

Drones help us identify deforested plots.

We work with satellite images

update twice a month.

Today we walked more than three miles.

We found a deforested plot

and the community is really concerned.

I believe traditions and technology

can unite.

When we join them together,

they form a higher kind of knowledge.

That is very important to me.

The rate of deforestation has increased

by a third over the last year

to almost 10,000 km².

That's an area equivalent to three

football pitches being lost every minute.

Narcotrafficking become

one of the main causes of deforestation.

A kind of delta, a kind of triangle

that connects Brazil,

Peru, and Colombia.

ill*gal mining,

narcotrafficking, territorial control,

and foreign investment driven by profit,

threaten the Amazon

and are k*lling Indigenous leaders.

They warn of the risk

this poses to peace.

Amazon Rainforest

is on course to reach

a catastrophic tipping point

as soon as 2050.

How many hectares?

This is approximately

5 hectares of deforestation.

- This is incredible.

- Yes.

In how much time?

They destroyed it in one month.

- One month?

- In one month they cut it down.

- And this?

- This is a coca plant.

First, they make a fire.

They cut down the trees,

first then they burn them

to clear the land

and then they plant the coca.

- This is a

- This is

- A big big tree, right?

- A huge tree that they've cut down.

Then they've set it on fire.

Is this a primary forest?

A Primary forest that they've cut down.

This is the Amazon rainforest,

but it barely resembles its name.

Trees warped and blackened,

like burnt matchsticks.

Clouds not full of rain for the continent,

but smoke that is chocking it.

Known as the lungs of the planet,

the world relies on the Amazon

to absorb a lot of its carbon dioxide,

but these fires mean

it's now emitting record amounts itself.

On the front lines,

indigenous firefighters.

It's their land burning.

Rare images of members of uncontacted

indigenous tribe in the Peruvian forest,

Dozens of Mashco-Piro people on the

banks of a river close to logging sites.

Several logging companies hold timber

concessions in the area,

and one company has reportedly built over

200 km of roads for logging operations.

The reclusive Mashkopira tribe,

one of the world's most hidden,

has been sighted coming out

of the rainforest more often

to relocate further

away from loggers and find food.

So this is the other facet

of the Amazon, it's the deforestation.

So this image is what I had to do.

The other one is what I wanted to do

and this one is what I had to do.

It's like walking in a cemetery.

I mean, if you're coming

from that life and from that vitality

Because, you know, the forest

is also the home of so much biodiversity.

So, you're walking and it's everything

crackles through under your feet and,

and there's no more life,

you don't hear the birds.

You don't hear all the little insects.

It's like a dead silence, a dead nature.

You know, nature is never silent.

It's just really, really brutal

and it's not even like a burial ground,

it's just a dead zone.

We take the people and staff first,

then return for the boat.

We are going to do a little work there.

I will put this here.

Watch out, watch out!

Be careful with this!

My ancestors came to fish at this spot,

traveling from far away, from Pucallpa.

They fished abundantly

in waters full of life.

They chose to settle down

create villages and a community

We are the rightful guardians

of the Ucayali River.

Good morning to everybody and to all

the visiting friends of this community!

The Shipibo belief

is mainly about the plants

that our ancestors worshiped.

We had different kinds of guides

whether shamans,

healers, or spiritual guides.

Just like today

you have doctors or midwives.

Nature is pure connection.

My grandparents taught me

to sing in the afternoons.

The birds sing,

we too can offer a song to nature.

Each one within his Countries

is called to protect our environment.

They must continue

what we've always done.

Let them come

and see the truth from themselves,

how remote communities live.

Like you and me

sharing this with the world.

We all must protect our Planet.

For a long time with my boyfriend we have

been looking for an apartment for years.

We couldn't find anything

and at some point I saw a land

announcement coming that is sold.

I looked at it and I was like:

"This is my place",

and I told my boyfriend like:

"I think I found a place for us".

- An apartment.

- Yes, but it's not an apartment.

It's a land

and you can't actually build on that.

- This is your apartment.

- Yes, this is my apartment.

The living room, the kitchen

That's the kitchen.

- Are you hungry?

- Always hungry.

- Then I might offer you a healthy snack.

- Oh, wow!

- Are those wild strawberries?

- Yes.

- This is the season, right?

- Yes, exactly.

What is the reasoning behind buying

instead of apartment a land

where you cannot build on,

it's not very reasonable.

But then I realized that actually

I was going back to my home on that land.

A home where I can feel back in time

where I was a child

and it's like bringing my heritage

from there to here.

We can make our own sacred

places everywhere.

This surrounding is the way

that I transform or where I open up,

where my heart feels at rest

and I can be myself.

I'm a very science-oriented person,

but I'm also an emotions-oriented person

because it doesn't have to be

only this or only that.

I'm everything.

With all this AI and deep fake,

there will be a huge challenge to know

what is truth, what is not truth.

We're in an incredible turning point.

The world, as you said,

it's gonna be very different in two years.

It's really scary what you can do with it.

At the same time,

we could use it for a good purpose.

Do I use all this technology

and the possibilities

against the humanity or for the humanity?

There are like really important

tech people who are working against AI.

At the same time,

there is of course, you know, tech section

that is doing everything to use the AI

and to use the help of the intelligence.

So it's not so much about,

like, who's winning it,

but it's more

about what can we do with it.

Technology is just the tool.

It's not the mind, it is the tool.

So the mind comes from us,

the heart comes from us.

The midsummer festivity in that way is

very, very traditional, very particular,

like the dances

or the instruments or the singing.

This is your identity, so unconsciously

I think I log in with my ancestors,

with my grandmother, with my

grandmother's grandmother and so on,

and it makes me complete,

it makes me much more who I am.

This thing cannot die. It's incredible.

This is what I am. I want to do that.

It's the most beautiful part

of my history.

If we don't honor ourselves

and our culture and our personality

then those big ideologies

are just swallowing us.

Going back to our roots

is something that is valuable.

We want to save it.

We want others to save their roots.

And it will be like something

that we can use as a driving force

to save humanity intact.

Through the Ayahuasca,

and its energies,

I will heal your body and your Spirit.