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Quiet Voices in a Noisy World (2025)

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(poignant music)

(cars whooshing)

(truck engines whirring)

(poignant music)

(wind blowing)

- Racism was terrible

in this part of town.

- It always had been r*cist in Jasper.

- People had to go to the back

door and it was Mr. Felcher,

you had to call mister to a

child and all that kind of jive.

Very divided.

A white section and a Black section.

- Everyone stayed at his

place and did his own thing.

They didn't mingle or socialize

or anything like that.

- Jasper was a town of

mixed emotion in my opinion.

I'm not sure that that

is a good description,

but that would be my way of

saying it had some good people,

and some people who were not so good

as far as the relationship

between Black and white.

I remember one particular

time walking downtown,

and I stepped to the side of the street

to let a gentleman pass,

and he walked by me about two steps,

and turned right around,

and said, big boy,

I should kick your, whatever.

And I never shall forget,

I had a little temper at that time,

and I replied to him, if you do,

this will be the last one

you'll kick in this world.

And I often think about that.

But now I would probably smile

and say, I'll pray for you

because you need prayer.

(car whooshing)

(poignant music)

- It was a shock.

We hadn't had nothing that terrible.

We had had men's k*lled here before,

but it wasn't nothing like

my son, James Byrd Jr..

That was something that hadn't

happened in a long time.

(poignant music)

I couldn't say what led up to it,

but it could have been anywhere

'cause as long as where there is hate,

you'll look for something like this.

(gentle music)

- I did a little research

on the population history of Jasper.

If you look back, back

in those earlier years,

the population each year,

at least from my time back in the 1930s,

populations increased.

And then after the 2000,

when all the craziness was going on,

the population seemed to decrease.

And I don't know if that was the reason,

but it began to decrease

to where it is now.

There needs to be some kinda

way to kind of stabilize that.

And I think what I'm personally seeing

is that some of the Black folks

who left, along with myself,

who've gone off, and

done well in other parts,

and then come back and

are trying to give back

to the community, and we're

trying to help create jobs,

and create some leadership.

And I see that happening now.

(gentle music)

This is the old school

campus, old J.H. Rowe campus.

And in our minds, it was

just a magnificent campus,

and it was just disappearing

with integration.

Integration happened in 1968.

These nice buildings and things

were just being torn down,

and names were changing,

and stuff like this,

'cause there was no history for us.

We were J.H. Rowe Tigers

and the mascot had become

J.H. Rowe Bulldogs.

And my group that I grew up with,

we just thought that was inappropriate.

So we wanted to keep the

J.H. Rowe Tiger alive,

and that's where it started from.

We put together a committee

and we decided that we would

try to put a monument down here

that would remember J.H. Rowe Tigers.

And as you can see on the monument here,

we got two tigers up

there on the pedestal, so.

I'm an industrial engineer and

I have the ability to design

and all that kind of stuff.

And so I was named the

chairman of the committee,

and then we went to work on

designing and building it.

I wanted it to be all Black labor.

So we did all of this

with all Black labor.

- My role was I'm a shovel man.

I know how to read blueprint

and form up for concrete,

and pour concrete, and finish

concrete, that's what I done.

I also got another friend of

mine that named Tony Brick.

He's another Black guy.

He knew how to lay brick.

We got him and he laid all the brick.

- These bricks that you

see on that wall there

came from the old Rowe school.

So there's about 3,600 bricks

that we used from the old

school to build this with.

And we sold those bricks for

a hundred dollars a brick.

And that's how we financed it.

All of these are in alphabetical order

starting with Betty Fay Adams,

and it goes right on along

in alphabetical order,

probably about five,

600 names on this wall.

This is the school's alma mater,

"To our dear Rowe High homage we pay,

for in our lives you are ever a ray.

In adoration and hearts full of pride,

our love will forever

with Rowe High abide."

I, for one, was happy

with separate and equal,

but it wasn't separate and equal.

But we did a hell of a job

with what we had, I think.

- There are no other place like this

within a hundred miles

of Jasper that I know of,

where when they integrated

they've done something

of this magnitude.

- This wall of honor was generated

primarily for the same

reason as the memorial.

There's an area in Jasper

that has a recognition

of military folks and there's

not a Black person on there.

And that's where I came

up with that idea from.

- This is my dad's brother, Uncle Raymond.

He's one of the only veteran

honored with the Purple Heart.

He passed in Vietnam in 1970,

about four months before

the end of the w*r.

- Those of us who served

and those of us who died,

there were four people,

four people from Jasper area

that died in Vietnam.

And there's no recognition

anywhere in Jasper

about that except at the

Lone Star Youth Council.

- I wanted to try to preserve

some history for what we done,

and we done some good things,

and then we had a lot of people that done,

our parents done what they

could do back in the day.

So we supposed to do what we can do.

(upbeat music)

- He was almost home.

You can't say they did it

because he was in the community

disturbing the peace or anything.

But he was almost home.

And they said, this man, this young man,

I'm not gonna call his name.

And he was told, he wanted

to be initiated in the Klan,

and that's the way they do it.

You got to had a m*rder or something.

So they just picked him up,

and carried him out to Huff Creek,

and just put him behind a truck,

and just pulled him until

they pulled his body apart.

(somber music)

- They picked James Byrd up in town

and they drove him out here to Huff Creek.

And they crossed the bridge

right there with him.

It was dark at night

and they pulled up in

this dim road right here

so they could hook him up with the chain

just in case somebody

would come by and see him.

They hooked him up in here with the chain

and then they come out with him.

From what all indication

they said he was still alive

and they drug him up this road.

(somber music)

His head hit a culvert when

they went around the curb,

and he was swinging his arm like that.

And his head hit that culvert

and it took his head off.

Probably didn't know his head was off,

but they kept on going to the cemetery,

and that's where they were

planning on dropping him at

where he needed to be at, at the cemetery.

They took the chains off

of James Byrd right here

in the middle of the road,

took the chain off of him,

threw it on the truck.

Then they took off and left

his body it right here.

And came on to the car

wash to wash the chains off

and wash the truck off.

That's where they got 'em.

(somber music)

Well, they called me at church

and asked me would I come out here.

They had the road blocked off,

and they thought it was a guy

that worked for me because

they couldn't identify him,

he looked like a guy that worked for me.

So I was out here doing the whole ordeal.

(somber music)

(poignant music playing faintly)

- Well, Juneteenth means everything to me.

For it to be finally recognized

as a federal holiday,

that even means more.

And when Juneteenth became a holiday,

it was celebrated three

years ago in downtown Jasper.

And it's at a park down there,

it's a real nice park down there.

And they had it down there, but

there were no participants.

Black folks just wouldn't go.

You know, Jasper has been a

pretty rough place, you know,

for Black folks.

And a lot of folks have those memories.

I was on the Chamber of Commerce

when they tried to have it that

year and it didn't work out.

And so the executive

director of the chamber,

she told me they would

finance it if I'd run it.

And so I said, okay, we'll do it.

And they did exactly that,

and we too contributed.

We thought that if we got a

hundred people to show up,

that would be a good start.

Well, lo and behold,

there was more than that

and we couldn't even

count the number of folks

that showed up last year.

So this year, we prepared for 200 folks,

but then everybody and his

brother started donating stuff,

donating watermelons.

The folks that own

restaurants donated the ribs

and we had somebody else

to donate the sausage.

(upbeat music)

- Oh yeah, that look good, man.

Yeah, that's that

good-looking stuff there boy.

Make me happy

And make me smile with glee

Now never will I feel discouraged

(foil crackling)

(guests chattering)

(upbeat music playing faintly)

(lid creaking)

Johnny got a meat skin laid away

To grease that wooden leg so they say

Johnny got a meat skin laid away

To grease that wooden leg so they say

Grease that wooden leg so they say

Grease that wooden leg so they say

Johnny got a meat skin laid away

Johnny got a meat skin laid away

Grease that wooden leg so they say

Grease that wooden leg so they say

- This is Sandy Creek and about

a hundred yards downstream

is where my great-grandfather

Billy McCrea,

who was a freed sl*ve, set

up his homestead down there.

- [Billy McCrea] Next time you see,

there come a whole troop of

Yankees, all riding horses,

big g*ns a-hanging on in there,

and all like that you know.

Yeah.

We all would standing looking

at them, all going home.

And I said, I ask them,

I said, I ask them,

I say, Mama, where they going?

Said they all going home now.

- When I found out about how Billy McCrea

was in the Library of Congress

that just made us search

a little bit more,

just to find out a little

bit more about him.

- So Grandpa Billy had a

big house, and a cabin,

and all of this stuff

up here on Sandy Creek.

He was born in 1851 and he died in 1947.

So he was about 96 years

old when he passed away.

But there was a group called

the WPA, the Works Progress.

His name was John Lomax.

They came out and

interviewed Grandpa Billy.

The way I felt about after

I heard him sing and talk,

I said, well, oh my goodness,

when I read his sl*ve narrative,

I couldn't even make out half

the words that was on there.

And he ending up singing like BB King

and speaking like Martin Luther King.

(Billy McCrea singing)

- [Billy McCrea] How you like that?

- [John Lomax] That's a good one.

- Lomax started recording these musicians

in areas such as East

Texas and what have you,

ordinary folk.

But he was fascinated with

that music, blues, and jazz,

and just country,

and just the people's

music fascinated him.

He recorded it, he took it upon himself

to record everyday life

of a different culture.

That wasn't his culture,

but he recognized that that was value.

And without him having done that,

future generations, my generation,

the generation following me

would not know about that

music because it would be gone.

Come on, boys, let's go to hunting

Come on, boys, let's go to hunting

Dog in the woods, he

done treed somethin'

Dog in the woods, he

done treed somethin'

Come on, boys, let's go to hunting

Come on, boys, let's go to hunting

Dog in the woods, he

done treed somethin'

Dog in the woods, he

done treed somethin'

Come on, boys, let's go to hunting

Come on, boys, let's go to hunting

Dog in the woods, he

done treed somethin'

Dog in the woods, he

done treed somethin'

Dog in the woods, he

done treed somethin'

(gentle music)

- I've done some research

about Professor Rowe

and I just thought he

was a genius of a man.

When you think about the

times when this was going on,

I just don't know how on earth

he was able to pull it off,

to get this school, become the principal.

He didn't have a college degree

when he became the

principal of the school,

but he got his degree

while he was the principal

of the school.

The school was called the

Jasper Colored School then,

it wasn't J.H. Rowe, it became

J.H. Rowe after his death.

(gentle music)

I was a good student.

I was a good student and

I was a good athlete.

But I was a student athlete,

which I preach today.

I think kids ought to be

student athletes, you know,

don't forget about education

and I got a very good education.

(gentle music)

- I am the curator, basically.

I'm local, I take care of the museum.

After my elementary school years,

I came here to J.H. Rowe High School.

I was a student and athlete.

And I considered myself good in both.

Didn't have many run-ins with people

'cause I knew how to stay away from 'em.

I was taught how to stay away from that.

I lived the farthest out so

the school gave me the keys

to a vehicle that I

would take athletes home,

parked the car in my yard,

my parents yard rather,

and come back to school the following day,

they entrusted me with the vehicle.

(vibrant jazz music)

- It's still the only school

that had a state

championship in Jasper County

in football.

And these were the athletes, the coaches.

And that jacket there is a

replica of the championship team.

(vibrant jazz music)

And this is a replica of

the sanitation type stuff

that we had back in those years.

That's an outhouse.

And we had several of those on the campus,

but that's what we had to do, right there.

They had mens and boys outhouses.

Just thought it was important

that when we were having

a tour, I just open it up,

show 'em the stall and the

type paper we were using.

We were using "Sears and Roebuck" catalogs

and anything else we could

find to use as paper.

We lived in some really

unsanitary conditions.

(vibrant jazz music)

This building was originally a

Prince Hall Masonic building.

In 1993, I believe it

was when it was converted

to the Lone Star Youth Council.

We became a 501(c)(3)

organization in 1993.

The Lone Star Youth Council

is a very good organization.

The building is available for rental

and we also give scholarships,

just off the top of my head,

we've probably given over

$200,000 worth of scholarships

to our youth here.

(vibrant jazz music)

These photographs that

you see here on the wall

were all taken by Alonzo Jordan.

There were no other

photographers during the era

that took pictures of African Americans.

And he was the only one.

He took all of these pictures

along with all the principals

and also with all of the pageantry

that went on during those years.

(gentle country music)

- I, Helen Jordan, I'm 95 years

old, I was 95 in September,

was married to Jordan in 1939.

We lived together until he died.

(gentle country music)

Alonzo was a devoted Deacon,

he was a barber and a photographer.

He photographed about 12 high schools,

and he loved his job, and loved his work,

and loved the brethren.

- My name is Eddie Shelby,

Mr. Jordan and my father, Cleveland Shelby

were Prince Hall Masons.

Sometimes they held meetings,

stressing family values,

a sense of community,

a sense of belonging,

and a sense of responsibility

to the community.

Alonzo Jordan was one of the

first professionals we had

in this community.

He set an example by

being a church member,

by being a barber, by

being a photographer.

But most important, by giving

us a sense of belonging

to the community and responsibility to it.

- See, in the Black community,

we didn't have photographers.

Mr. Jordan was sort of a icon to us.

Jordan's Studio, the only

Black studio in Jasper

or in East Texas.

His way of taking pictures

just made you want to be a photographer.

- Black photographers had been ignored

by the larger community for years,

even though they were incredibly important

to the Black community

because they were preserving

part of our history and our culture.

There were these photographers

who documented the Black

community for decades.

And it was Documentary

Arts that came along

and said we want to

preserve these works of art.

(calming country music)

(calming country music)

When I was working as a columnist

for the "Fort Worth Star-Telegram",

I got a call one day from a

woman, who happened to be white,

who said she had in her possession

something that she

thought I would wanna see.

And as we talked, what she had

was something that her mother

had actually given to her as a child,

but that she had kept for a long time,

and had really sort of forgotten about

until she was going

through things, I think,

after her mother passed away, and says,

she wondered why her

mother had this photograph?

'Cause it was a photograph of a lynching.

(somber music)

There were copies of this photograph

that had been put on postcards

and sent all over the country,

perhaps all over the world.

- When I think about the

woman who shared this photo

with Bob Ray Sanders, it

raises a lot of thoughts

in my brain.

I'm gonna say she felt socially compelled

to tell the world here's further proof

of what did happen historically

and more people ought to know about it.

And this image doesn't lie, this is truth.

- People used to get dressed

up, put their Sunday best on

to go and see a hanging.

And they'd go back home,

and eat a good dinner,

and sleep good at night after

seeing something like that.

- [Bob] And I mean

children and older people,

and it was the entertainment for the day.

- From the African American community,

there is a large segment

that believes we need to

leave the past in the past.

There's an old African saying

about the Sankofa bird,

you have to look back to

know where you're going,

but there's a large segment

that says, don't do that,

look forward, climb up,

and let the climb be what you're after.

That when you look too far

back, it's too much ugliness

and it just pulls us down.

But you have to see it

because it's reality.

Life is not always pretty.

It's beautiful sunshines,

and all like that, horizons.

But living life is tough,

and those photographs

prove that that happened,

and we just have to deal with it.

- "This is only the

branch of a Dogwood tree,

an emblem of white supremacy.

A lesson once taught

in the Pioneer's school

that this is the land

of a white man's rule.

The Red Man, once in an early day

was told by the whites to mend his way.

The n*gro now, by

eternal grace, must learn

to stay in the n*gro's place.

In the Sunny South, the Land of the Free,

let the white supreme forever be.

Let this a warning to all Negroes be

or they'll suffer the

fate of the Dogwood tree."

People read that poem,

I'm sure many of them

recited it over time.

That poem is haunting in itself

because it says what

the majority of people

in that town thought about

the other people in that town

and in this place.

(poignant music)

- I was waiting for him.

He was supposed to come by

and carry one of his

neighbors to church.

But something happened

that morning, I didn't go,

and it was about afternoon

before the police come and told me

that my son James Byrd

Jr., they found a body

and they thought it was his.

I didn't have but two boys,

rest of them was girls.

If he had been in the

neighborhood raising sin,

it'd been hard but I could accept it.

But he was coming home.

My son, and they just overtaken him.

(somber music)

He was a person

only harm he did was to hisself.

Wasn't nothing too good

for him to do for anybody.

And he loved music.

He was very young.

He was in his forties

when they k*lled him.

- It had a pretty tremendous effect.

We had never seen anything

that heinous before,

not in my lifetime.

It took some doings from

the people in this town

to keep a lid on things.

And I was here, and I lost,

I guess around about 16 days of work,

working with our sheriff

at that time and our DA

trying to keep a lid on things around here

because they could very

easily have gotten outta hand.

- And so the FBI came in

and investigated that crime,

one of the worst crime in the

United States ever happened,

to k*ll a Black man at that time.

(somber music)

- We met at the Courthouse Square,

I think a day or two after the incident

and it was hundreds of people there

on the Courthouse Square.

I belonged to the Minister's

Alliance and we had a vigil,

we prayed and did all that we

could to help the community.

They asked us not to go down there

when the Black Panthers came

and when the Ku Klux Klan can came,

they came and marched, and everything,

and we didn't go down there.

And they were ready and ready to come

and to stand on the Courthouse

Square and to proclaim it.

The Ku Klux Klan came to, said it

maybe it was the right thing to do

or they wanted to put in after

but the Black Panthers came loaded.

You know, I don't know whether

the g*ns were loaded or not,

but they had 'em, and I saw them myself.

Al Sharpton came and Jesse Jackson came

in support of trying

to get rid of the hate

that might be within our community.

- So we had people from all over the world

came to Jasper, Texas.

And we got justice.

That's all we wanted, justice.

We wanna see them men to be punished.

We couldn't let 'em go all free

because we got justice on it.

Two of 'em got the death penalty

and one got life without parole.

But it didn't bring James

Byrd back, his life back,

he got destroyed, it was

sadness for the family, yeah,

so we got justice, yeah.

(intense music)

- I knew Berry, one of

the guys that participated

in the k*lling of James Byrd.

I knew him pretty good because

he worked for a tire company

that I'd done business with

and I thought he was

a good friend of mine.

And it's just something

I would've never thought

would've happened.

And I had to testify to that

in court during the trial

that I knew Berry and I done it

because I knew it was the truth.

I knew him.

I thought I knew him.

You never know an individual.

Some people act differently

when they're with a group

than they would if they

were by themselves.

So I think he got in with some hardcore,

two hardcore people,

and he couldn't back up.

He couldn't get out of it.

Berry was a good fella as far as I know,

but when you get with the

wrong group, things happen.

(intense music)

(gentle music)

- The Huff Creek community

is a Freedom Colony.

Once sl*very ended and Black

folks became freed men,

then they had to have somewhere to go.

So they got together, and

they would settle in areas,

and they called 'em Freedom Colonies.

And that's what this is.

This is one of the Freedom Colonies.

And this is Huff Creek Cemetery.

It's a Freedom Colony cemetery.

And then the school back there

is a Freedom Colony school.

We put the marker up there

so as to have something

for the kids to understand when growing up

that there was a reason for this building.

It went through the first

through the sixth grade.

And they had two teachers there.

And they taught there for 16 years.

And the school closed in 1960.

(calming music)

The Huff Creek Elementary School

and the Rock Hill Elementary School

are Julius Rosenwald funded schools.

And Julius Rosenwald Fund

was a fund created by Julius Rosenwald

who was a Jewish philanthropist.

And they, in turn, would provide

a certain percentage of funding,

maybe half to the community,

and then the community

would do the other half

to get these schools built.

In my mind, the way to

get people to understand

about Black history is to do it.

And that's what we have embarked on doing.

We lived it and we just need

to bring ourselves together

to get it out there in the public.

We're doing this by utilizing

folks who walk the walk,

then demonstrate it to

the rest of the public.

I'm packing up, I'm

getting ready to go

Packing up, I'm getting ready to go

Packing up, I'm getting ready to go

I'm packing up, getting ready to go

- I'm very passionate

about this particular area.

My elementary school was here,

I went one through eighth grade

on this particular campus.

Bobby Joe Hadnot was my very first cousin

and the reason Bobby

Joe Hadnot's name is here

is when this property came up for sale.

Bobby Joe Hadnot was very

instrumental in the community.

And Bobby Joe and I worked

through the entire process

of getting the financing and everything

for this particular building.

But he passed away

about two years after we

purchased the property.

(poignant music)

I started thinking about Freedom Colonies

and after we'd gotten

the historical marker

from Texas Historical Commission,

that was about the Freedom

Colony itself overall.

But then I was thinking that,

hey, I went to school here,

and I'd like to recognize the people

that was influential in my life.

So I sat down, and I wrote this,

what's on this marker here.

And George Adams and I

figured out how to construct

this marker, monument here

I guess you could call it.

But the Sankofa was

something that I had learned

from Freedom Colonies, that

was part of Andrea Roberts',

Texas Freedom Colonies Project

and Sankofa is their avatar.

So I felt like, well, what

I'm talking about here

was us reaching back, and

pulling stuff from the past,

and bringing it to the future.

And we need to continue to do that

because there are a lot of

young people out here right now

who knows nothing about

the Freedom Colony.

(poignant music)

(birds chirping)

- Okay, well, good morning.

So, how long have y'all

been in town so far?

- [Student] Since Monday.

- Third day.

Have they worn you out yet?

- They've tried.

- Okay, well, not too bad.

Okay, so this is the Jasper

County Historical Museum.

Jasper is the county seat

and what we're working to do in here

is to tell county history,

although we tend to focus

a little bit more on Jasper

because that's where we're

sitting, we're in Jasper.

Jasper's one of the original 23 counties

in the Republic of Texas.

We're part of where

Texas' history started.

My name's Tod Lawlis, I'm the director

of the Jasper County Historical Museum.

I decided that one focus

for me would be to make sure

that it is a museum that

tells everybody's story

in Jasper County.

That it's not the white museum,

there's no Black museum.

It is Jasper County.

There's a section here

on Freedom Colonies.

If you're not familiar with the story

of the Freedom Colonies,

it's a very interesting

post-Civil w*r story.

And we have one very

well-known one here in Jasper,

the Dixie community.

Again, you're welcome to look around.

If you got questions, I am

here to answer 'em for you.

- This program is the

American Exchange Project.

It is a project to bridge

the cultural divide

within the continental

US, to bring students

from other parts of the

country into an area

that is opposite of their own,

to be able to immerse them

in a different culture

and see that we can all live together.

- I got involved in AEP

through my math teacher.

She wanted to sign me up

to give me the experience

to go somewhere else.

And she knows I'm a very

honest person with my opinions.

So she was like, I would

really love and appreciate

if you did this for me to show our school

and our school district

that this is a good program

to have here in Albany.

- I'm really concerned about the earth,

and where it's going,

and people may not be concerned about it

just because like we live in this era,

but I think it's important

for our posterity

to like enjoy this planet,

like it's modern way.

They should live in a healthy

planet, enjoy their lives,

and not having to deal with the mistakes

that their previous generations made.

- In the aftermath of the

m*rder of James Byrd Jr.,

Jasper did face a lot of challenges.

I'm certain that when students

were randomly chosen to come here,

when they possibly Googled our town

that popped up and concerned them.

But I think since they've arrived,

they see that there is much more to offer,

and that we have healed as a community,

and we are interested in moving forward

in a positive manner.

- My impression of Jasper

is pretty excellent so far.

I love the people here.

I love the community.

I come from a tight-knit

community in Albany.

We're a town of about 18,000

people in a square mile,

so everybody knows everybody,

but I love it here.

I love this weather, I love the people,

I love just being in the open

and having everything kind of spaced out.

(calming music)

- This is the oldest church

west of the Mississippi,

built by formerly enslaved Christians,

oral history suggests.

This church was established at about 1853

when Joshua Seale, the sl*ve owner,

and Uncle d*ck Seale got

together and built a church.

Uncle d*ck Seale was

holding church services

under Magnolia trees on

this particular grounds.

Joshua Seale realized that,

hey, let's build a church.

So they got together and built a church.

(calming music)

- We're from San Diego, California.

My family has been in Jasper,

Texas, since the 1800s.

My family, the Seale family,

is the founding family

of Dixie Baptist Church.

My great-great-grandfather,

Richard d*ck Seale,

was a servant of the Seale family.

Joshua Seale helped him

establish the church in 1853.

- I was a preteen when I joined here

and we were baptized in

the creek down the street.

- I used to work as the church secretary.

I still sings in the choir.

I lead three songs.

(calming music)

My favorite song is

"Walking in the Light".

Walking in the light

Beautiful light

Ain't it wonderful how the light shine

- When I come back to Jasper,

I feel connected to my ancestors.

I feel appreciative for the

sacrifices that they made.

I do a lot of family

history, genealogy research

that allows me to feel connected to them.

Walk in Jerusalem just like John

Walk in Jerusalem just like John

- Right now, we are on the

Joshua Seale Plantation.

This may have been the sl*ve quarters

that we're looking at behind

us, these small buildings here.

There are other stories

that it may be some people

who came to work on the

railroad or whatever,

but my impression would be

that this were probably some

refurbished sl*ve quarters.

And I know that there

was another plantation

like right across the

creek, the Indian Creek,

that was a Hadnot plantation,

this was a Seale plantation.

Both of those plantations

kinda came together

after the emancipation,

and most of the people

in this Freedom Colony started

out as Hadnot and Seales.

(birds chirping)

(poignant music)

- We accepted a lot of things

because we didn't know anything different.

And so growing up to me was a happy time

until as I got older and I

realized different things

and different ways that

other people were living,

and different things that

had happened in the past

to my relatives, then the

more I learned about that

then I wasn't as happy as

I was when I was younger

and didn't know anything.

(poignant music)

- It wasn't easy for us

to be where we are today

in this world.

There was a lot of trials and tribulations

that the people in this

particular community

had to deal with.

After sl*very and emancipation,

most of the people that stuck around

ended up doing sharecropping.

And sharecropping was

almost as bad as sl*very.

- All I know is my father was a,

well, it was just like sl*ve,

I'm gonna tell it like it is.

He had to come from up

in Tennessee with the WPA

and he never went back.

- I lived Jim Crow, so I understood

where my place was supposed to be

according to who was making the decision.

So I just kinda deescalated

things rather than escalate 'em.

And when I went into the

military, it was the same thing.

I mean it was just like it

was living in Jasper, Texas.

So there was a lot of situations

that I was involved in in the military

that I could have made

a real big issue out of.

But my upbringing taught me

to deescalate rather than incite.

- There was a time right

there at the post office,

we couldn't drink out of the ones

that you all drinking from.

We had one for ourselves.

So we had to sit well in the

back, I'll tell you right now.

But I'm gonna tell it like it is.

We couldn't do, separate restrooms.

We couldn't go in and we

had to go in our restroom.

- We could drive up and down this road.

We are way out here in the community,

rural community, right?

And highway patrol was just

running in behind ya, you know,

just to pull you over to see

if you going 42 miles an hour

in a 41 mile an hour zone.

And you're pulled over and

you're going to get a ticket.

And to me, it was just, I don't

know, it was just ignorance

in what I thought it

was, it was ignorance.

But we got through all of that,

and we ended up in a better place.

- The pain is easing down a whole lot.

People be moving on with life here

and trying to do good in the city.

We don't want no more racism.

- I know that it brought

Jasper closer together.

We might be a bit divided now,

but after the James Byrd incident,

it brought us close together.

I know that it did.

- It must be getting better.

(calming music)

'Cause they're beginning

to come to your house

and sit down and talk to you.

They used to didn't do that.

- President Clinton, he put me up,

I had a phone straight to the White House

and he would call, and Reno,

they kept up with it.

That encouraged me because

they was seeing the things

was gon' be carried out.

(poignant music)

The grave got took three

times after he got k*lled,

but it's finally settled down.

I had to fix that grave three times.

They went there, and tore

it up, and left a sign

that said the Ku Klux Klan's been here.

(poignant music)

That's why a fence around it now.

I come through it with

the helps of the Lord.

You just can't bear down

in your sorrow and grief.

I just turned it over to the Lord.

I got a letter today from some,

in the wishes of my son, I

still get all kinds of letters.

They send me checks too, and

flowers to go on his grave

all the way off over in England.

(poignant music)

He's in the textbooks.

And they got a hate crime named after him.

So that helped me to have a little hope

that something good come out of it.

But it still hurts.

(poignant music)

(upbeat music)

(Reverend John and hairdresser chattering)

- No, I hadn't been

there, but you know what?

I ain't was about to hit, they were,

I think he was Isaiah was gonna

send us over there to work.

- I'm Reverend John D. Hardin,

Pastor of the Mount Olive Baptist Church.

I've been here for 32 years.

I came here in 1976 and brother

Jordan was a deacon here.

In fact, he took the

pictures of our wedding.

We married in 1955.

I think one of the better

attributes that he had to me

was that he was a great teacher

and he taught his men's class,

very, very astute in his studying

and he knew exactly what

he was teaching about

Mr. Jordan helped people

in any way that he could,

he wouldn't mind helping.

We need more people like

that even in our world today

that's willing and ready to help.

He did it more or less for the community,

I'm sure right now, if you were to check

some of 'em still owe him for pictures

that he took years back.

(upbeat music)

- [Rev Kenneth] Anything

in the Black community

that was worthwhile and you

wanted to have memories of it,

you would call Mr. Jordan.

He also would take

pictures of school events,

church events, bible school.

- Mr. Jordan would take pictures

of anything that he felt

that the community would

enjoy as well as he himself,

and his wife, and family would enjoy.

He also enjoyed taking

pictures of baseball

and in particular, the Jasper Steers.

Jasper Steers started as a

minor team in the early '40s

and when the Steers started playing,

everyone wanted to be a part

of that particular ball club,

which was the most popular

thing in Jasper at that time.

I played third base and

served as a utility player.

I knew Mr. Jordan for

approximately 40 years.

He became my barber once he moved down

to the Jasper Steers area.

- My brother and I, we

would walk from home

to the barber shop to get our hair cut.

I remember it was every two weeks.

As I grew older, I guess you

might say I became a teenager,

a different hairstyle came

out called the crew cut,

I think it was.

I wanted that new hairstyle.

I said, Mr. Jordan, can

you give me the crew cut?

He said, have you talked

with your mother about this?

I said, no, sir.

He said, well, I'm gonna

continue to cut your hair

the way she has asked me to cut it.

That's the way Mr. Jordan was.

Even after I had graduated

from high school,

when I went into the service,

when I would come home,

I'd always go to Mr.

Jordan to get me a haircut

because I think he was the

best barber in East Texas.

(gentle music)

- Freedman's Cemetery in

Dallas for me is such a message

to the future and the past.

Freedman's Cemetery is a

historical burial ground

for formerly enslaved Africans.

Many bodies were removed,

but many are still there.

Being here in Freedman's

Cemetery means to me

that the spirit of all

ancestors, not just mine,

but particularly ancestors of

the African American culture,

have not been forgotten.

Yes, the symbols are not here,

the headstones and all of

that, they're all gone,

but the spirit of those

individuals is here.

(cars whooshing)

I pass here all the time

as thousands of people do, in traffic,

but I kind of glance

over, and I think of peace

even though there was such

turmoil, and hurt, and pain,

but yet now this location,

this ground of earth

makes me think of peace, hopefully rest.

When we talk about heritage,

and history, and culture,

there is a philosophy and

opinion that only the people

of that culture can tell it.

Yes, they need to, but

history needs to be told

by whoever's gonna tell it.

Ain't gonna let nobody turn me round

Turn me round, turn me round

Ain't gonna let nobody turn me round

Keep on walking, keep on talking

Marching toward freedom land

I love music, and I have a

strong musical background,

and I appreciate the songs

that have told messages of culture.

Getting through these difficult times,

I always turn to music.

Music is a salve on wounds.

Music gives us an outlet for hope

that we should never give up

and we need to pass it

on to the new generation.

Savior

Savior

Hear my humble cry

And while on others Thou art calling

Do not pass me by

Here, Rattler

Here, Rattler, here, here

Here, Rattler

Here, Rattler, here

Oh, Big Foot Rock is surely gone

Here, Rattler, here

Oh, Big Foot Rock is surely gone

Here, Rattler, here

(upbeat jazz music)

- [Russel] I think it was 1939,

I got around Marshall, Texas,

and began to photograph

several of the projects there,

and the others were

incidental as we came along.

- There's an Anglo photographer

by the name of Russell Lee.

He would go among the African descendants

and photograph their everyday life,

which we would not ordinarily see.

You might hear it in family stories,

but to actually see images of it.

(upbeat jazz music)

When you side him with Alonzo Jordan

who was a Black photographer,

you get the two dynamics of life.

Russell Lee showed the everyday life,

which wasn't always

pretty, but it was real,

and it captured a period of society

and of life that we

might not have gathered.

Jordan showed kind of what

Black photographers did,

church life, weddings,

graduations, community gatherings,

that sort of thing.

But just that every day

with the sweat and the toil,

the dirt on your hands, the

family sitting on the porch.

Those images had value and

when you put the two together,

they show both sides

of the Black existence.

(upbeat jazz music)

- My name is Marla Smith

and Alonzo Jordan was my grandfather.

To all the grandkids, he was known as Papou

and we enjoyed being around him,

we enjoyed watching him taking photos.

(vibrant music)

He would go to the different schools,

and the kids would get so excited

when it was time to take school pictures,

and we enjoyed watching

him take those photos.

And he'd always have this

little saying that he would say

before he'd get ready

to snap that picture,

he'd always say, okay, get set, ready.

And everybody would get so excited

because we knew we had to be

at attention and in position,

and we enjoyed being around.

He was such a fun person.

He'd always make those

little faces at the kids

or he'd always hold his

hands up over the camera

and make little signs with his hand.

And kids always enjoyed that

because they were excited

to get their pictures made.

It wasn't often that we'd

get to go to the supermarkets

or to the discount centers

and have photos made.

So he did that for us, and that

was an exciting time for us

to spend with him.

(calming country music)

- I am Emma Sharp Adams,

the godchild of Alonzo and Helen Jordan.

And I grew up around the barber shop

and photography shop,

used to just crawl around

they'd tell me when I was a little tot.

And he took pictures of my family

from childhood on up till his death,

and I used to get a kick

out of listening to him

in the darkroom talking to the pictures.

You would swear that he was in there

talking to a person live

and he had to get everything just perfect.

If there was a strand

of hair out of place,

he had to get it fixed.

- I went with him everywhere he went

so that people was dressed,

the colors and everything

like that was on them straight.

Give 'em a mirror and see

if they were satisfied

with their appearance.

- Everything had to be exact.

The lighting had to be exact,

the background had to be exact.

It would take him almost 30 minutes

before he would snap the picture.

At the weddings, everyone

had to be in order

before he would take the picture.

He was just that kind of photographer

who wanted to have the best picture.

And because of his conscientious

way of doing things,

he became popular all over East Texas.

And one thing about the pictures,

they all were what I would

call perfect pictures.

- I admired him for the motivation

that he put into becoming a photographer

because he taught himself.

He studied a lot, he read a lot.

So he was very interested

in applying himself

to do the good work.

(gentle music)

- I met Mr. Jordan early in

life when I was in high school.

He was a great photographer

and he visited many of the schools

and took school pictures each year.

Mr. Jordan took many wedding pictures.

He came down to Buna where I lived

and took my wedding pictures.

And we were very pleased with 'em.

Not very many pictures was done

that you were not pleased with 'em

because he made sure that the

subject that he was taking

was in the perfect position

that they needed to be

so that the pictures would

come out beautifully.

He was a very kind person,

but he was very firm

and made sure that you

understood what he wanted

was what he needed to get a good picture.

- He would've loved the digital photos.

Now, being able to take

a picture instantly

and you can connect it to

your TV and see it right then,

or even edit it right then,

he would have loved that.

(gentle music)

- There's a political movement right now

in the United States to wipe

out, to erase cultural history,

particularly from my vantage point,

African American history,

critical race theory,

wokeness, all of that.

Such hateful resentment.

But people like the African

American descendants

in small towns like Jasper,

they have stepped forward

to preserve their history, rich history

that very few people know

about that needs to be told.

They've opened museums

and things like that

to really preserve that history.

That's important.

That's key.

Because without that type of

action, history will be erased,

and has been erased.

And that's a diabolical thing to happen,

to erase history that

somebody fought so hard

to make happen.

- Without the past, how do

we even examine the present,

let alone think about a future?

We go back to our past,

we tell our history.

And as I say, we gotta tell

it all and tell it well.

All the pain, all the

sorrow, all the suffering,

all those things that make

up what our past has been

in this country, will help

us, I think, figure out

where we're going in this country.

And I'd hate to say right now

is that we have people now ready to erase

everything they consider to

be negative in our history.

Everything they consider to

be ashamed of in our history.

No, you don't erase it.

You don't try to amend it, you tell it

because that will inform us

even about our present right now.

It is a shame what is happening

in the country as I speak,

that people who would

dare want to tear down

any semblance of the black man's struggle,

the red man's struggle,

the brown man's struggle

in this country.

No, we tell it and you

tell how they overcame.

What a difficult past they went through,

that I went through.

You know, I'm still standing.

But I tell you what, you

know, I don't have long

to stay here as the old folk used to say,

but I want it for my child,

I want it for those

children who come after me

to know the truth about the

history of their country.

It's a long John

It's a long John

He's a long gone

He's a long gone

Like a turkey through the corn

Like a turkey through the corn

Through the long corn

Through the long corn

Well, my John said

Well, my John said

In the ten chap ten

In the ten chap ten

If a man die

If a man die

He will live again

He will live again

Well, they crucified Jesus

Well, they crucified Jesus

And they nailed him to the cross

And they nailed him to the cross

Sister Mary cried

Sister Mary cried

My child is lost

My child is lost

Well, long John

He's long gone

He's long gone

He's long gone

He's long gone

He's long gone

Mister John, John

Mister John, John

Old Big-eye John

Old Big-eye John

Storm is almost gone

Storm is almost gone

I can see the sun peeping

through the clouds

The storm is almost gone

The storm is almost gone

Storm is almost gone

I can see the sun peeping

through the clouds

Storm is almost gone

- Wow, look at this.

You know this is a photo of

the young James Byrd Jr.,

it takes my breath away,

but I look at the promise

in that young face,

those eyes and that subtle smile,

and I think about the

future he could have had.

This rips my heart, this rips my heart.

But this picture would not

be here had it not been

for Alonzo Jordan, the

photographer who took it.

This shows the value of photography.

Oh, the horror, the horror of it,

to look at the promise of this young man.

(poignant music)

- It's very important to remember,

but it's not good to just dwell on it.

I don't want to dwell on it

'cause if you do, it'll eat

you up, it'll consume you.

I just don't forget it.

If you do, it can happen again.

Whatever you throw behind you,

can come up in front of you

again if you don't watch it.

So we gotta stay vigilant.

And hope to God it doesn't happen anymore.

But we can't let it eat us up though.

(poignant music)

- Jasper just has grown so much now.

We all are together, a community of people

working together,

that's what I like about it.

And you can't do nothing all by yourself.

Somebody got to help you.

That's what I say.

Somebody's got to help you.

(bright gentle music)

- We decide we would set

it up in remembrance of my son

and try to educate.

We give scholarships to the

students what deserves it.

And most of the time

where this hate come from

is through ignorance and

they ain't been taught.

So we try our best to help those

that wanna go to college

to get an education.

Lots of peoples really

don't know any better.

If they educate theyself

and then consider a feeling

of others, it would help 'em.

(bright gentle music)

And then I want to see something

good come outta his death.

And long as I can help

anybody, you get a release.

Seems like your living won't be in vain

if you could help somebody.

(bright gentle music)

(vibrant music)

- The power to overcome

is, it's wonderful.

I mean, you can see it

from what's going on

with the Juneteenth with my dad,

and Fred over at the CFHPA,

and my cousin now is

president over there now,

and she's my age.

(vibrant music)

Younger people are coming up

to show that Jasper's

more than James Byrd.

(vibrant music)

Even my daughter was just telling me today

that she tells people that

her family's from Jasper

and they always say, oh,

you don't wanna go there

that guy was k*lled there.

And she's looking at them saying, no,

my family is from there, you know?

And so she has to explain to them

that Jasper's bigger than that.

And that's what's really important,

we want a better legacy for Jasper.

- [Announcer] 35, 16, 26, and 33.

(audience member applauding)

Alright, first bingo.

- I have this belief.

The Martin Luther Kings

and the Malcolm Xs and all,

they did wonderful jobs

doing what they were

doing to get recognition

and stuff like that.

And they're recognized.

But I have this thing

about hometown folks.

I feel like they ought to be recognized.

And so that's what we're trying to do now.

- Local communities have

a special responsibility

to tell their story.

And so what you have had is

that communities like Jasper

where people have established museums,

they have gone back and

reclaimed their history.

They're proud of that school,

they're proud of those situations

that help make them who they are today,

that help them to overcome

that bad experience

that the world will never forget.

They're there to tell their story.

(vibrant music)

- My uncle's in that museum.

- Who is that?

- MacArthur Ray Smith.

- He sure is.

(resident laughing)

Won't you ring O hammer

Hammer ring

Won't you ring O hammer

Hammer ring

Broke the handle on my hammer

Hammer ring

Broke the handle on my hammer

Hammer ring

Got to hammerin' in the Bible

Hammer ring

Got to hammerin' in the Bible

Hammer ring

Won't you ring, old hammer

Hammer ring

Won't you ring, old hammer

Hammer ring

Gotta talk about Noah

Hammer ring

Gotta talk about Noah

Hammer ring

Well, God told Noah

Hammer ring

Well, God told Noah

Hammer ring

You is a-goin' in the timber

Hammer ring

You is a-goin' in the timber

Hammer ring

You argue some Bible

Hammer ring

You argue some Bible

Hammer ring

O ring, old hammer

Hammer ring

O ring, old hammer

Hammer ring

Well, Noah got worried

Hammer ring

Well, Noah got worried

Hammer ring

What you want with the timber

Hammer ring

What you want with the timber

Hammer ring

Won't you build me a ark, sir

Hammer ring

Won't you build me a ark, sir

Hammer ring

Won't you ring, old hammer

Hammer ring

Won't you ring, old hammer

Hammer ring

Well, Noah asked God, sir

Hammer ring

Well, Noah asked God, sir

Hammer ring

How high do you want it

Hammer ring

How high do you want it

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