01x03 - Schwarz-Gelb

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Tell us how you did it today

winning here in Munich for the
first time since 1991.

Borussia Dortmund beat

Bayern München 3-1 at the Allianz Arena.

Bayern weren't prepared for our attack,
that's clear.

Was that not an early title celebration?

Somehow you sense football history
being written in the Allianz Arena.

Who is going to prevent this
title win?

To this day it's something people
still talk about.

I'm not going to sugar-coat it,
this defeat hurts us.

For us this game was about
optics as well for us.

We wanted to restore the order
somewhat.

The best team in Germany is,
we can be honest,

Borussia Dortmund.

CHAPTER 3
BLACK AND YELLOW

2011 It wasn't a time when

you were winning ten Bundesliga
titles in a row like nowadays.

Back then it was sometimes Bayern,
sometimes Werder Bremen.

Even Hamburg back in the day.

Then came Dortmund.

Dortmund had a top coach in
Jürgen Klopp.

He pushed them, he pushed
the entire club forward.

Jürgen was a massive part of it,
of course.

That phase we were in back then

came during a completely different
situation to today.

Nowadays in Germany

people are always saying
it's high time that Dortmund end Bayern's title run.

Back then, it wasn't on
anyone's mind.

No, because we always have the
mia san mia mentality every year

that we will be champions again.

That's always our mindset.

But Dortmund had also improved,
you have to recognise that.

Back then under Jürgen Klopp

they had undergone

an amazing development.

But it took some time and we gave
ourselves that time because

we had been through a difficult phase

at Borussia Dortmund, in which
we hadn't had much

success on the pitch.

We had financial problems.

Until September 2006 we were

in insolvency proceedings

Then Jügen arrived in 2008.

We pulled of some really good
transfers too.

Well they had the likes of

Gündogan, Hummels, Lewandowski, Götze,

then on the right flank they had
Blaszczykowski and Piszczek.

That was a really good team,
you have to say.

In 2009 we finished in sixth spot,

In 2010 we were fifth.

And I remember clearly that in
the summer of 2010

none of the experts, nobody said
Borussia Dortmund had a chance

to become German champions in the
2010/11 season. Nobody said it.

The entire city, the entire stadium
stood like a massive wall

behind the team
and that team marched

quite deservedly
to the league title in 2011

and that hurt us.

Subtitle Extracted by: Aren Zohrabi

Of course, that didn't
meet our expectations.

When someone else becomes
German champion then we

at FC Bayern have to question
everything we do.

You have to take a proper look at
how it could have come to this.

At that time, Bayern were,
you have to be honest and add that

Bayern didn't have that top quality.

Neuer wasn't their keeper yet.

At Schalke, he was Germany keeper
who was already good

and would become even better
in the coming years.

You could see that he had
incredible potential.

Neuer with a massive save!

I believe that to be a great team
you need a great goalkeeper.

Manuel Neuer the man
of the match for me.

For me, a great goalkeeper

makes up 30 to 40% of a team.

I desperately wanted Manuel to come to us.

The first contact came with
the national team,

with players of FC Bayern.

I had a great relationship
with all of them

we got on well

and had already talked about
Bayern München

and that they wanted
to lure me there.

It was something that I
thought over for a while.

Of course it's not something
you can decide from one day to another.

I had made a list of pros and cons,

talked to my inner circle
and across the board

the thought was that I had to also

make the decision based on football,
on success on the pitch.

That was my attitude as well.

I wanted to win titles,
collect titles

so there was only one option: FC Bayern.

I was still on the other side,
those weren't my fans

that were against me,
heckling me so to say.

In essence, those were opposition
supporters then, whom I wasn't playing for.

Against us in the DFB Cup semifinal with Schalke
he pulled off amazing saves.

We didn't really have a clear
number one at the time.

Hans-Jörg Butt or

Thomas Kraft?

Thomas Kraft then played a lot in that second year

and did quite well.

The path for him was there.

But of course, Manuel Neuer from Schalke
was in the spotlight because

he had shown what he was
capable of.

So yeah.

That was aspect.

I think there were many aspects and

in the end it's the results
that matter.

Schalke are in the DFB Cup
final after beating Bayern 1-0 in Munich!

I think the biggest problem was
we were conceding to much.

Conceding easy goals

where we gave the ball away
and were extremely open defensively.

We couldn't get it right.

We know how it is when you are
knocked out in the last 16

and the title bid is in danger
at FC Bayern.

Then things are changed quickly.

FC Bayern has just announced
that head coach Louis van Gaal will be relieved of his duties.

As a coach if you have absolute success and

win everything, then you hold
all the aces.

In this case, I believe we
just didn't play so well that season.

The decisive moment was when we
played in Nuremberg and drew again.

He was with the team in the bus

and I was in the car with Karl-Heinz.

We said we would meet in that evening.

Louis and I would always sit together

Next to each other in the bus.

Then he got a phone call telling him

there would be talks with Uli and Kalle.

Right away he told me that he
will be sacked

and that they'd ask me
if I take over.

He was very hesitant
because he didn't want to stab his boss in the back.

Andries Jonker asked me if he could do that.

I said: “Of course you can. It is a challenge for your career.”

Only then did I decide to do it.

Back then we were in fourth in the Bundesliga.

The aim was to qualify for the
Champions League.

I asked them: “Do you want to go back
to Man United next year

or do you want to play Lech Poznan?

With all due respect to Poznan.

That's not where you want to play, right?”

“No, we want to play Champions League.”

Andries Jonker taking over those games,
it gave me a big boost.

I think those were the best games
I ever played in my entire life.

Yes, that's always some sort of energy
that goes through a team.

Some feel freed up, others get
more power.

You could sense it against St. Pauli

20 minutes before full-time
it was 8-1 and I said

we can't do this,
we can't score ten goals here.

So then I subbed off several of the players

we said be calm, be calm.

We've done it.

The aim has been achieved and the
next aim is the second team.

I still have a contract for
another year there and then

we will see what happens in this
football business.

You get someone new in, even if it's
the assistant and suddenly it works.

Sometimes it's just like you're
set free then.

Louis also was quite...

let's say opinionated.

He also got into a lot of arguments.

And perhaps one or the other of
the players had a problem with it.

From day one,
it was a relationship that was very difficult.

And that's always a problem
with ex-players.

Ex-top players.

They think that they know
what coaching is.

But that is not true.

And that was the problem
from day one.

Neither Juventus nor Nuremberg.

Day one.

You keep trying until it stops working.

Yesterday it stopped working.

I've never had as many arguments with
a coach as with him.

Even though today we have a
great relationship.

Hoeneß and Rummenigge in charge,

then you add Louis van Gaal
a third person who may have

a third opinion he will
stand by completely.

With a self-confidence that perhaps

Uli Hoeneß and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
only themselves previously demonstrated.

In hindsight, I think Karl-Heinz
and Uli both knew how much

he did for Bayern München overall.

I have nothing to say against Louis.

First of all, Louis van Gaal was exactly the right person
to start us down that path,

I'm convinced of that.
That's tough to replicate for another coach.

With that team at that time
turning the club around.

Not just the team but the
entire club.

I have to be honest,

with van Gaal a new tactical philosophy
was brought into the entire club.

I have my own vision.

I had a lot of successes in my career

before I came to Bayern Munich.

So it worked.

So why did I have to change my vision?

In spite of all his stubbornness

he was a brilliant coach and brought
about systemic change,

introducing the style of play which
FC Bayern upholds to this day.

When he told the team that

he will no longer be the coach and
said goodbye to the team

the great Louis van Gaal

stood in front of us and had
tears in his eyes because

the team meant a lot to him.

I had always a very human good contact
with my players.

That is the total human being principle.

Many had a lot to thank him for

and he made a lot of players better.

So it hurt us a lot.

Seeing his face while he was
saying his goodbyes to the team.

When you have to say goodbye,

then it's always emotional.

So I think
that I had tears in my eyes.

The last question:

How do you feel about FC Bayern today?

Always good.

Morning! Morning.

We always had him in our sights
because he had both the quality

but above also this empathy in him.

He was kind of

you could call him 'everybody's darling' at this club.

Then he became the successor of Louis the next year.

An experienced coach, a former player
who achieved basically everything

also on the pitch.
I think that always plays a part.

Of course, he was also a completely different type of guy
compared to Louis van Gaal.

Not as authoritative in his manner

but more through his past, his history.

First you have to create a basis for trust.

So that the players know how
I am as a coach.

That I stand by what I say

That I am a man of my word.

I made the experience that it is
vitally important to build

trust with the group and then you
also get that back.

We had goals.

We could compete for the Champions League
in the coming years

and we needed top players for the team.

Looking back there were

maybe a few major transfers which
were responsible for making us

suddenly much better, raising our
quality year for year.

One of those was Manuel Neuer,

the best goalkeeper in the world.

You notice something is developing
because we made some key transfers.

I played for Schalke for five
and a half years and

I really wanted to move to Bayern

but it didn't work out.

That's why I went to Italy for a year
to Genua.

After that in December 2010
we had initial contact with Bayern München.

It was my dream to play for them.

He's a crafty devil

in the best sense, who was
always there when you needed him.

He had those smarts that really

suited him to Bayern München.
And I wouldn't want to do without him.

He was also a superb professional who
represented the club very well.

In the same month, Bayern reached agreements

with me, with Manuel Neuer and with Jerome Boateng.

In 2009, I was in Hamburg and
had to decide what to do next.

So I stayed for one more year
and then move to Man City.

I got my share of game time

but not in the position I was
promised I'd play.

I really wanted to play center back
but I was played on the left and right

and eventually a little bit
in the middle.

But I wasn't very satisfied,
I didn't feel settled.

For Jerome it was a logical move.

He was a very good player

I think we signed him from England, from City.

When I knew that they wanted
to have me, I said that

I really want to go to FC Bayern.

As a young player, you need
a lot of discipline,

desire and passion.

You have to have fun playing football
and it can never be too much.

Those are the players that make it in the end.

With David Alaba in my first year
in 2011 I took him aside during training.

I told him: ''I am more than satisfied
with you, it's great how you are

working and how you are training.

It's only a matter of time before
you play.”

It was always my dream to break
through at Bayern München.

For me, things progressed pretty quickly.

Then I made those two mistakes
against Frankfurt

and then quite quickly it went
back down again.

That affected me. Mentally as well.

It put me into a hole for a few months.

Where I couldn't quite get out of it.

You could notice it during
training sessions and

I felt it myself.

Then I got the call on New Year's Eve,

whether I could imagine going to Hoffenheim
for half a year.

I remember calling Basti that evening

to ask him for his opinion

and I decided to go for it.

For me personally that was one of

the most important steps for me in my career.

Back then I wanted to stay
in Hoffenheim.

Then Jupp Heynckes became the new coach

and it was out of question for him.

The coach always demanded that I
was patient.

He always encouraged me and said I
would become a starter for Bayern.

I told him: “You'll play so many games
that eventually you'll come to me

and say: Coach, I need a break.”

He said: “You thinks so?”

He was very serious.

For me at the time it seemed
a world away.

I felt really comfortable in the team.

Then I became a start quite quickly

and my teammates really helped me

on the pitch and off the pitch.

I was regularly at Basti's house
playing PlayStation.

I also had a great relationship with
Holger anyway.

Let's go man, let's go!

Step on it!

It was a good group we experienced a lot together.

I'll take a bend! Left-hand bend!

We were together a lot more than

with our families and loved ones,
even off the pitch.

It was really cool
that even off the pitch they developed

a good group that also would spend
their free time together.

We wanted to get into the mix
and dived right in.

There were lots of funny stories.

Even if there were games on
Wednesday and Saturday

we still went out on Saturday nights.

Really, my dad once called me to say:

I always see you partying in
the tabloid papers.

People taking photos of you out.

Are you still playing football or
just partying all the time?

We were out a lot.

The core was Basti, Mario and me.

Yeah that's how it developed.

Yeah, Gärtnerplatz g*ng

was what one paper called us.

Of course eventually the paper
called us the Gärtnerplatz g*ng.

If you sit there every day you
shouldn't be surprised.

I lived 50 meters away from the square
and there are cafés and restaurants there

so it's a nice spot to sit.

Mario and Holger were there
a lot too.

If I think about the fact that I
used to sit there every day

in a café at Gärnterplatz, it seems
absurd to me. Today, I think

I could have been doing something
productive or learning something.

But at the time we needed it.

You sit there, you get compliments,

you soak that up,

the city lifts you up.

I do think it helped the vibe also within the team.

It was a h*m* unit

that just kept getting more

keen on winning titles.

That was the goal right from the start,
no doubt about it.

You noticed it, also from the players
who had been there the previous year already

and so there was pressure there.

I think it was a tough season again
for us, right from the start

but slowly, bit by bit you could see

that we were competitive, not
just competition for Dortmund

but that this year
we would take the crown from them.

A lot of people rated us highly

but didn't believe we could do it again.

Many felt that

Bayern had slipped up before
but next year they'll be back.

I think there wasn't a sense of
certainty that season.

We knew it would get more difficult

and it was like that.

In the first half of the season
it wasn't such a clear thing.

And that is Bayern time that you are seeing now,
ladies and gentlemen.

Robben with the dream goal to make it
3-0, now they're tearing them apart.

We had a good feeling and were
organised well by the coach

and were very confident.

We had the performances and potential
to win titles.

So we went on the front foot.

Oh boy, you can't do it any better!

We had an eight-point lead on Dortmund.

Then at one point

something happened which to this day
I find hard to understand.

Travelling to Munich and knowing

you'll play the league leaders and with a win

you can get back onto their heels.

Those are the types of games
that make it special.

Black or red?
Black!

- Okay, we'll stay here.
- Okay, Dortmund will kick off.

You also had two very different

playing styles clash.

We were still influenced by
Louis van Gaal

in terms of possession and
having a more dominant approach.

Dortmund had a compact defensive unit

and would win the ball back and
quickly transition forward and finish.

I know that Mario Götze scored
and we won it 1-0.

Borussia Dortmund,
the reigning German champions

beat the clear league leaders Bayern München.

In those two years we were incredibly good.

We would travel to Munich and
think we can win this.

So much for claiming the title here already!

We had a phase in which we played poorly
and barely collected any points.

Dortmund passed us in the table.

Then you're no longer the hunted.

For the first time in a long while
Dortmund are.

We had a team that had grown together

that could basically win it all.

That self-assurance which Bayern had

for so many years and then also
regained afterwards,

we had it at Borussia Dortmund.

We didn't have that self-confidence

because the previous season we were
fighting just to qualify

for the Champions League.

So then you lose a bit of your
confidence because of that.

So we knew that when we saw

Dortmund that this season it would be quite tight again.

I think at one point we were eight
points clear of Dortmund in the league

so I got the impression that

maybe at one point we thought

we had the title in the bag.

We'll concentrate on the Champions League
to make it to the final in Munich.

You can't get the points you lost
on the weekend back.

That's a different competition.

We want to progress in the
Champions League.

We know how great it is to play
in the Champions League

so we want to get a good result tomorrow.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE - ROUND OF 16

Basel with their home atmosphere
and great stadium, sold out,

they wanted to take it down
to the wire.

Basel had some great players
at the time.

You saw that later

when some of them moved to the Bundesliga.

Like Shaqiri.

It was a proper top match for us.

In Basel we really pushed ourselves
to the limit.

FC Bayern was not in a great phase
at the time

and we fired them deeper

into their crisis.

We just weren't on form

and it was a tricky team for us.

It was really a horrible match,

a typical horrible match that
you don't want to be a part of.

After that there was an interview...
Do you remember?

Dragovic.

Of course I remember.

What did he say?

Yes.

Yeah, there was something.

I'm not sure what it was.

I can

It followed him.

Dragovic was still a young player
and he learned a lot then.

David called me back then and
was joking around with me.

What did you say there?

All I said was basically that

he's not like Messi in that he won't
dribble past five players

Then we conceded seven!

How many goals did Mario score?

Four goals.

After every goal that Mario scored

he looked at Dragovic.

In the sense of, yeah that one was for you.

After every goal he rubbed it in my face.

The goalscorer, again our number 33!

Yeah he took a beating there.

Four goals from Mario Gomez,
it was a dark day for me.

I shook his hand afterwards and said: “Man...”

I think he learned a lot that day.

Of course, I really put my foot in it.

Mario was a world class striker.

Not without good reason he played for Bayern.

When I've met him he's been a nice guy.

Mario had a fantastic day

and we had a bad one.

As you expect from FC Bayern,
we were steamrolled by them as a small team.

7-0 was already heavy enough but
after that we were just hoping

it wouldn't be double figures.

We knew we had to manage that

because if we didn't then you
don't need to bother playing in the Champions League,

then you don't deserve it
and should forget it.

There were so many strong characters
that we didn't even allow for it

to happen that we'd have several
bad games in succession.

We were pretty relaxed going into
the game and because of that

I think we were pretty sure
of our progression.

Exactly after nine months absence

after a bad injury I came back.

I'll never forget it:

after one training session the
coach came to me and told me

you're going to play against
Olympique Marseille

One year without playing and now
I'm straight back in the Champions League.

Franck came to me before the game

and he said I will tee you up.

I'll get an assist for you,
don't worry.

You'll score a goal.

He came over to me and said

I told you so and then later
I scored a second goal.

He was a player who gave 100%
every single day.

You saw when he played that he really
gave everything in order to

score to help the team.

After the match in Marseille
you had this game in Dortmund.

Yes, the Bundesliga match.

- For the title.
- Yes.

- You win the penalty.
- Yes.

- Was it a penalty?
- Yes.

- Yes?
- Yes.

It was pretty tight,

It was pretty tight,
Dortmund were top.

We few points behind.

We had to win this match.

We knew that if we win this home game

nobody could stop us in the
title race anymore.

It was a crucial point at that stage
of the season.

If we win this game,

we'd have every chance of defending
the title.

If we lose,

well, then things might just go
as they usually go.

It was actually a decent performance
from us, especially away to Dortmund.

It's not so easy facing a
confident team.

You have to be fair, it was tight.

It was finely balanced.

It was really tight,

I think both teams had the chance to win it.

Manu made some incredible saves
in this game.

For us it was a match on level terms.

We didn't have the best feeling.

It was 0-0,

then we concede such an awful goal.

1-0 down after a corner

where someone was playing the
scorer onside.

It was incredibly emotional in the stadium.

After that it was relentless,

Bayern did everything to equalise.

There were still ten minutes to play.

And then there was that moment
with Arjen.

Weidenfeller came off his line
and I got to the ball first.

So I just...

well, I used his hands.

I maintain to this day that
I didn't make him lose his footing

or anything like that, it was
just cleverly done.

He was running towards me one on one,

I thought I would come out but not fully.

In hindsight I should have just
stayed on the line.

He gave me an opportunity and I took it.

We all know Arjen well enough to
understand that he wouldn't let that opportunity slip.

In that very moment you have a
sort of game within your head

which will be decided in your head.

Those mind games.

Who has the right idea now to get it done.

Robben wants to take it himself.

So there was a face off:

Arjen Robben versus Roman Weidenfeller.

Will the title be decided now?

It was bad, badly taken.

That's it.

Arjen hat often gone to my right previously.

So I thought he would change it up.

It was just bad.
That's all there is to say,

you don't need more.

There are always stories,

sometimes you hear or read things

from people who want to talk about these
kinds of situations again.

Everyone has their own take and
maybe believes in their own version.

But I remember this:

it wasn't well taken,

end of.

When Arjen took the penalty

he was insulted by Subotic.

It wasn't very gentleman like.

I like things to be fair.

When it's unfair then I lose it.

In that case, I thought it was a dive.

That's why I ran over

and I told him that.

One word I used was dive,

the other stuff was insults.

The rest you can read in my book,
I think it's on page 93.

Not a proud moment for me.

You just don't do things like that.

But it didn't bother me too much in that moment.

What I learned later was that

Roman did make contact and it was a foul.

Looking back you can give the penalty.

I was more in my own thoughts.
I was just very disappointed.

If I could take it back, I would.

It's not sporting from me.

I didn't care that he was in front of me.

Things weren't going Arjen's way
at that time.

He played well and then couldn't
convert the penalty.

He had another great chance.

With a 1-1 draw

we theoretically would still
have been in the title race.

But with that defeat it was basically
guaranteed we'd be second.

Runner's up.

The fact that Arjen Robben,
usually a reliable penalty taker, misses that

shows the amount of pressure
Bayern München was under then

and how badly they were suffering
as a result of Borussia Dortmund being so strong.

I think that preoccupied them quite a bit.

From that moment you knew that we've
got this thing sealed.

I think with that penalty potentially giving us the draw
Arjen was very bothered by it.

Usually you have to score that

So I am very sorry for the team
and the fans and I can only apologise.

That game naturally was very mentally draining.

But then you have to pick yourself up
and keep going.

You can't then dwell on the fact you lost
to Dortmund in the Bundesliga.

You've got to move on yourself.

Champions League against Real.

What more do you want?

MUNICH AIRPORT

And then I met Bayern again.