Trouble with KanYe, The (2023)

[bunniefuu]

No cameras, no cameras. No, no, he's

saying yeah. Oh, he's saying yeah?

Yeah, he said, "I love it."

This way!

Come on. Do you want to talk

about anything, Kanye?

You've lost a lot of endorsements,

people are dropping you,

you're getting vilified. You know,

there's a whole world out there

that's condemning you

for what you said.

Off of one tweet, they can take

the most influential black person

in the world

and run him to the ground.

I mean, anti-Semitic statements

are never good for anybody, right?

It's kind of like being anti-black.

Do you regret your statements?

Are you worried you ruined

your legacy, Kanye?

Ye, formally known as Kanye West,

has been at the forefront

of popular culture

for almost 20 years.

After releasing his debut

single in 2003,

he'd go on to sell millions of

records and win critical acclaim.

Later launching a billion-dollar

fashion empire,

he was seen by many as a pioneer.

Infamous for going off-script

and sharing his unfiltered

political views...

George Bush doesn't care

about black people.

..Ye has continued to be public

about his ever-shifting politics.

I love this guy right here.

More recently, his words

have caused outrage.

Rapper Kanye West has been accused

of promoting a hate statement

at his Yeezy fashion show

at Paris Fashion Week.

Many, including former

collaborators, have expressed

concern about how Ye

is using his platform.

At this point it's clear to anyone

who's been paying attention

that our brother, Kanye West,

has been thoroughly indoctrinated

with n*zi propaganda.

Suggesting he was on a w*r footing

with Jewish people, Ye's words

stirred up anti-Jewish hate

and threatened an entire community.

In the face of backlash,

he just kept going.

I can say anti-Semitic things

and Adidas can't drop me.

Now what?

Now they just dropped you.

Adidas joined the long list

of companies cutting ties,

costing Ye his billionaire status.

Cancelled by the mainstream...

Ye is our guest.

He's going to be here for

the next three hours or so.

And also America First leader

Nick Fuentes.

..Ye has found a new audience

with the alt-right,

taking his dangerous

conspiracy theories online.

The Holocaust is not what happened.

Let's look at the facts of that.

And Hitler has a lot

of redeeming qualities.

To millions of fans

across the world,

Ye's words still hold power.

Hey, will you sign my shirt for me,

man?

And with rumours of a presidential

campaign...

YE24. So you are running?

..there are fears that he could

radicalise a whole generation.

You listen to people that's getting

their cheque cut by Jewish media.

I want to understand the impact

of Ye's actions.

He's espousing these views

that have no credence to it.

There's no information

to back this sh*t up.

This demon in the box that he's

playing with is irresponsible.

Where it's going to end up at,

I don't know.

And how did one of America's

most celebrated artists

become a megaphone for hate

and division?

This is so amazing. Look at this.

It's absolutely nuts.

Look at that view.

Cody, Wyoming,

is completely beautiful

but not necessarily the place

you'd associate with Kanye West.

Believe it or not, he's really

gotten away from the LA scene.

He's been in Wyoming,

in the mountains.

Are we to expect a sort of

rap-country album?

I don't think you can put it past

Kanye West at this point.

When Kanye moved to Wyoming,

there was already concern

over his wellbeing.

His 2016 tour made headlines

for meandering political speeches.

I got the vision, bro.

That is what I've been blessed with.

My vision.

Following a 15-minute monologue

in Sacramento,

the tour was cancelled.

Get ready to have a field day,

press, cos the show's over.

What followed was a stay in hospital

and then reports

of a bipolar diagnosis.

If you were looking at the story

of Kanye West in music,

you'd start that in Chicago,

but that isn't the Kanye that

I'm interested in, actually,

because the latest incarnation

of Kanye is Ye,

and this is the place where

he launched his 2020 bid

to become the president.

It's where he really started

wearing his politics

and his theology on his sleeve.

Ye bought a ranch here for a

reported $14 million in 2019.

Alongside the move came

a new public persona.

# You're such a BLEEP h*... #

In his video, which he directed

and later premiered

at a porn award show, Ye performed

as the brash, provocative rapper

that his fans have come to know.

For some time he's been criticised

for his misogyny.

# I'll buy you a sick truck,

I'll buy you some new BLEEP

# Get you that nip-tuck... #

But in the space of just over

a year, he went from this...

# Send me some mo' BLEEP,

you triflin' h* BLEEP... #

..to this.

# You my Chick-fil-A... #

He shot this video

at his Cody ranch,

projecting the image

of a God-fearing family man.

# Follow Jesus

# Listen and obey... #

This poignant single was followed up

by the gospel album Jesus Is King.

Ye linked his new-found focus on

God back to his recent struggles

in this revealing interview.

I remember sitting

in the hospital at UCLA

after having a mental breakdown

and there's documentations

of me drawing a church.

As a guest on one of America's

leading televangelist shows,

Ye shared his new mission with

a packed stadium of Christians,

who seemed delighted to welcome him.

Now the greatest artist that God

has ever exist...erm, created,

is now working for Him.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

I wanted to dig deeper

into Ye's time here.

Rumour has it that

when he came to Cody,

one of his first stops

was the mayor's office.

Hello. How are you doing?

I'm Mobeen, really nice to meet you.

Matt? Yeah. Can I call you Matt?

Yeah, of course.

So, you know I'm in town because

I'm looking into Ye's time here.

Uh-huh.

He just wanted to know a little

bit about the community,

try and get a handle on some of

the things that, you know,

could be issues for us.

So, he was trying to get a handle

not on what could affect his plans,

but actually what are issues

for the town?

For the community, yeah. OK.

Our goal is to bring

the manufacturing back to America.

We moved the headquarters

to Cody, Wyoming.

We have a 4,000-acre ranch,

and a couple of other

properties out there.

We're going to be farming

and going seed to sew,

and have our cotton hydroponic farm,

and our hemp farm,

and our own wheat farm.

This is me. Yeah.

The mayor agreed to show me some of

Ye's grand plans for Cody.

You've just got to remind me to stay

on the right side of the road. OK.

I'm kidding!

THEY LAUGH

We're going to take a

right, right here.

Ye rented this warehouse with the

promise of bringing jobs to town.

So, this is a place for their

research and development.

So, the way the operation...

For the shoes?

Adidas and shoes, right, yeah.

For the creative kind of things,

for coming up with

new designs and stuff.

Did Ye get into that

because he was in this area,

or did he move to this area because

that was already part of his vision

and he thought he could use

this area to kind of

make that a reality?

Yeah, I think that he had those

kind of thoughts and intentions

when he came here.

You know, have those small

communities where, you know,

if you come in and you bring

some kind of job creation,

it's only even five or ten jobs,

that still ends up being

relatively impactful.

When I run for president in 2024,

we going to definitely...

Now what y'all laughing at?

SCATTERED LAUGHTER

When I run for president in 2024,

we would have created

so many jobs that I'm not going

to run, I'm going to walk.

I don't think I really understood

the level of investment that

Ye had made in this place.

And that brings with it

a whole lot of opportunity.

Allowing Ye to position himself as a

political leader that'll bring jobs,

it's that populist America First

idea that we've heard from Trump.

Today, when you think about

the more dangerous ideas

Ye's putting out there,

that now seems like a pit-stop

on where he's ended up.

MUSIC: Life Is Just A Moment

by Roy Ayers

A lot of cows.

Even if politics isn't your thing,

you probably already know that

Ye ended up running for president

four years ahead of schedule,

in 2020.

And he didn't win.

This is it.

There was a whole team trying

to make it happen,

and some of them still live in Cody.

Hello. Hello, John. I'm Mobeen.

John Boyd moved to town when his

daughter was working with Ye

on the album Jesus Is King.

Thank you. Shall I take

my shoes off? Er, yeah.

I don't want to bring the

snow in, yeah.

How's it going? It's going good.

Is it OK? You having a good day?

Yeah, yeah.

Can I just put this here?

In a short space of time, he went

from being a spiritual adviser

at Bible studies sessions

Ye held at his ranch

to a major player in

his political campaign.

How would you describe, at the time,

the basis of that campaign?

Well, I created the

ten points on his platform.

We address education, freedom

of religion, energy policy,

foreign policy, racial

reconciliation, you know,

they were ten dynamic points that

I think the whole team really

rallied around and agreed with.

And he really liked the points.

Right.

I really want to watch

this rally with you.

In July 2020, Ye took his campaign

to South Carolina.

Speaking to a room packed

with people,

and with a live stream beaming his

appearance across the world,

this was a chance for Ye to prove

his presidential credentials.

That's you there, right?

Yeah, I was standing

right behind him.

I organised that whole -

pretty much the whole thing.

I thought he'd deviate a little bit,

but this...

Where he went was

completely different.

CHEERING

According to John,

Ye had planned to share his vision

for the future of America,

but he went off-script

and decided there were other things

he wanted to get off his chest.

He had said some stuff

that was just, you know, erm,

just way out there.

Especially his comments

about Harriet Tubman.

SCATTERED MURMURS

SCATTERED CHEERS

As you're standing by the

side of the stage,

what's going through your mind?

Er, train-wreck.

I'm thinking, "You're going to lose

control over this whole scenario".

More than anything else,

the rally made headlines

for Ye's views on ab*rtion.

Four years after

his public breakdown,

there were fresh concerns

about Ye's wellbeing

and the rally ushered in

a new phase in the politics of Ye.

He gained a lot of respect from

a lot of people on the right

just for being so bold on their core

issues, namely ab*rtion.

It wasn't just voters that were

now seeing Ye in a new light.

His statements at the rally won

him prime-time coverage

on America's highest-rating

news network,

and high praise from

one of its most famous faces.

The most compelling voice

against ab*rtion

and Planned Parenthood

is not a Republican.

The most widely-heard Christian

Evangelist in America

is not ordained.

Instead, he is a rapper married

to a Kardashian -

who, by the way,

everyone says is crazy.

If a part of his audience

is pushing back,

he's going to gravitate towards

the part of his audience

that's celebrating him.

Where it's going to land,

where it's going to end up at...

..I-I don't know.

After the rally, Ye appeared to try

and make the most of his new status

as a voice of the Christian right.

America.

What is America's destiny?

What is best for our nation,

our people?

In this carefully-crafted

campaign video,

Ye seems to make his bid for

the evangelical Christian vote.

We as a people will revive

our nation's commitment to faith.

To what our constitution calls

"the free exercise of religion,"

including, of course, prayer.

Through prayer,

faith can be restored.

Christian fundamentalists took note.

Fast forward two years,

and Ye's new campaign is

taking shape in LA.

He's joined forces with the Cristian

white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

Who would you like to be

the candidate?

Maybe somebody that

hasn't announced,

but we want a visionary,

fearless leader... OK.

..who's going to put Jesus first.

A cult figure online,

Nick revels in misogyny, h*m*,

racism, and anti-Semitism.

I don't support women's rights.

I don't support "LGBT" rights.

I believe in race

and gender essentialism.

I'm Catholic.

I'm a Catholic reactionary.

I believe that organised Jewry is

extremely influential in the

United States and pushes America

towards an open society,

liberalism, internationalism,

for their own benefit

at the expense of America.

I think they do that corporately.

Nick wears his anti-Semitism

on his sleeve.

Conspiracy theories and Holocaust

denial are part of his brand.

And it looked like Ye wanted it

to be part of his brand, too.

This widely-publicised picture

of them both on Ye's private jet

signalled a new and sinister

chapter in Ye's politics.

# Children grow and women produce

# And men go working,

some go stealing

# Everyone's got to make a living #

In just a few years,

Ye had gone from political novice

to beacon for the alt-right.

So, how did this happen and

what does it now mean?

MUSIC: Jenny From the Block

by Jennifer Lopez

LA is, in so many ways,

the place where Ye -

or Kanye back then -

entered that league of superstardom.

Rewind 20 years, and the Kanye

the world was introduced to in 2003

was celebrated as an innovator

and super-sampler who'd write about

his insecurities and not fitting in.

It was a shift from the

street persona

hip-hop was selling back then.

Nobody guessed that an

art school dropout,

managed by his college professor

mother, Dr Donda West,

was going to redraw

the boundaries of a genre.

Ten solo albums and

24 Grammys later,

Kanye West was part of

the pop-culture establishment.

En route, there's been accusations

of misogyny and anti-blackness.

But today, as he faces a reckoning

for his dangerous rhetoric,

Ye's entire career is being

looked at in a new light.

To understand how

he got to this point,

I reached out to someone that's

been around from the start.

Hello, hey. What up, dog?

Wassup, wassup?

I'm Mobeen, so pleased to meet you.

Yeah, this is fresh.

Really, really nice.

This is fresh!

You ain't bring me one?

I didn't bring you one...

You ain't bring me one?

If I knew you'd like it,

I'd have brought you one.

Yeah, I love it.

I'm not happy.

I would've bought you one,

if I knew you'd like it.

Yeah, that sh*t hard, dawg!

THEY LAUGH

That sh*t hard!

I appreciate you like the jacket.

It's amazing, man.

You know, the reason I'm excited

about speaking to you

is you have been...

You've had a kind of front-row seat

through a lot of different phases.

Yeah, 22 years.

Malik Yusef has songwriting credits

on almost every Ye album -

from 2021's Donda all the way

back to 2005's Late Registration.

Tell me, at that time,

what was his mission?

Cos I can take a guess, but

I want to know from you, like...

I think it was to wake people up

to the true plight of African people

on the planet, in this day and age.

The album Yeezus,

the politics are in your face -

like from the moment you

turn that record on.

The swagger of Ye was...

That was the.. Yes.

You could feel that sh*t,

so we went to Saturday Night Live,

cos the words needed to be heard.

# My mama was raised

in the era when

# Clean water was only served

to the fairer skin

# Doin' clothes,

you woulda thought I had help

# But they wasn't satisfied unless

I picked the cotton myself

# You see it's broke... #

How did it feel,

a performance like that?

That isn't going to make

middle America feel good. No.

It's like a person that's boxing,

you know what I'm saying?

You can see it when it'll land.

You can see when that sh*t,

when he throw that m*therf*cker

from here, that that b*tch

is going to land.

My interpretation of New sl*ves

is he's talking to, like,

working-class communities,

and the black community and

he's saying, "Your aspirations,

"you're worth more than

those aspirations".

Yes, a lot of people try to skip

over that in our catalogue.

They try to skip over cos it is

so political, and it is so jarring.

And it feels revolutionary

and very clear.

It feels very different... Yeah.

..to the Ye I know now.

Yeah, B, I mean...

It's hard for me to hear you

say that, you know what I'm saying?

Because this is a person who I love.

I can feel your whole energy just...

Yeah, this is a person who

I love, you know?

And a heavy loss to lose you,

because we made this

for people just like you.

We designed a customer.

We designed somebody that's smart,

that gives a f*ck,

that is a citizen of the world.

We had these talks.

Seeing if we could make a

billion dollars off being really,

really good people.

"Don't f*ck up the whole

thing for us, too,

"cos we put as much energy

into this as you did."

We just weren't the lead

singer of the group.

We had to build a person to go in.

And Kanye might detest me

saying we "built" him,

but that's the f*ck it was. Mm-hm.

We tethered a rope to you, said,

"Go in there, get all that sh*t,

and bring it back,

"and we'll build our own

sh*t from there." Mm-hm.

Maybe he not the person that gives

up sh*t for everybody else to win.

But then, when he go and throw

himself on the pyre of white

supremacy, it makes me feel like,

"Hm, you are the type of person that

sacrifice everything for somebody,

"just not us".

You know, aligning yourself

with people like Nick Fuentes and

getting these people platforms that

they otherwise wouldn't have...

It's true.

There's Ye fans who will have

heard of Nick Fuentes for

the very first time through Ye.

Mm-hm.

Not because they were going down a,

you know, a rabbit hole on the

internet and looking up propaganda,

but because Ye turned them onto it.

Mm-hm.

When someone that you care about,

like Ye, has so much influence,

and is putting this stuff out there,

is there part of you that thinks,

"OK, I want to... I want to

at least try to stop him,

"I want to try to make this better"?

Nick Fuentes is not

somebody I f*ck with,

because these m*therf*ckers

is punks, man.

They're not real.

They're espousing these views

that have no credence to it.

There's no information to

back this sh*t up.

And I say it to him,

he's acceptive of it.

But that's in our circle,

it works better.

When he leaves,

he goes and gets around him

until he's back, fired up again

with that bullshit.

So, it's very clever how he

shrouds himself with, like,

a peanut gallery

on his side,

but I'm still like, "Yo, G".

So, people to support those views?

Yeah, or maybe not even care.

It's really clear to me

that Malik loves Ye.

He sees him as a family member,

and he's worried about him.

I think he's also really hurt

because there's this idea that,

for a long time, this whole crowd

around him who were from Chicago,

they had this plan, and it wasn't

just about entertaining people

or putting out a bit of music,

it was about speaking to

a particular constituency.

It was about, kind of,

societal change.

It was about a change to the system.

And it took all of them

to build that.

He referred to Ye as

the "lead singer".

He might've been the lead singer,

but we were all doing this work.

I reckon Ye has always been aware of

the power that comes with celebrity.

I, right now, because of New sl*ves,

have the most powerful voice

by a mile.

So, you're talking... I've got

a trillion dollars' worth of voice.

His politically-charged music was

followed up with deliberately

provocative tour merch

featuring the Confederate flag.

The tour merch...

React how you want.

You know, the Confederate Flag

represented sl*very.

So, I made the song New sl*ves.

So, I took the Confederate Flag

and made it my flag.

Whilst he said it was

all about interpretation,

many people were angry that

Ye would stick what they saw as

a symbol of white supremacy

on a tour jacket.

Boasting about the currency

of controversy,

Ye seemed to lap it up.

I know how to swim through

backlash, you know?

I know how to float.

I can tread water through backlash.

I don't care about backlash.

In 2022, after wearing a

"White Lives Matter" T-shirt

and putting out a whole run of

anti-Semitic statements,

Ye's business partners drew

a line in the sand.

He thought they'd never do it.

Today, Adidas joined the long list

of companies cutting ties with Ye.

In a statement, officials with

the athletic brand wrote...

From 2015 to 2022,

Adidas sold Yeezy-branded clothes

and shoes designed by Ye

and his team.

At its height,

Yeezy brought in a reported

$2 billion of annual revenue.

Today, although Ye has been

dropped by Adidas,

the designs can still be

picked up on the resale market.

Hello, you OK? Is Adeel around?

I am. How are you?

Hello, I'm Mobeen,

really nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you.

How are you doing?

I'm doing good, y'all doing good?

Yeah, I'm really good, thank you.

Nice to meet you.

I wanted to know if Ye's influence

was still being felt

in places like this.

Everyone knows Kanye West.

Everyone knows this style,

this brand.

He has a unique impact on

fashion and culture.

He's worked for decades to build

this fanbase that he has today,

and they follow him.

Regardless of what he does outside

the media, in the politics,

his impact globally, when it

comes to fashion or culture,

is unprecedented.

Give me, like, a classic 350.

Like, grab...

So, this is one of

his first ones ever made.

These are the Yeezy 350

Turtle Doves. OK.

I remember when these came out,

you remember - what was the price

when they came out?

Like over 2,000? 3,000?

Yeah, it was like 1,600, $2,000.

People were trading cars for that.

Cars.

People were getting rid of cars.

People were trading their cars in?

This is one of

the hottest shoes ever.

Selling your car for a pair

of shoes sounds nuts,

but the hype machine Ye created

around his brand worked like magic.

And we'll put it on Instagram,

put it on Twitter,

shout it out, you know?

For years, Ye positioned himself

as the authority on what was cool

and what was not -

famously sharing his opinion

at award shows,

even when he wasn't asked.

In the early days of social media,

he plugged his art online.

So, when he moved from

selling music to shoes,

he knew exactly how to turn

fans into consumers.

You in the loop if you got this.

You the man if you got this,

you know what I'm saying?

You gotta get it, you know what

I'm saying? There's a trend.

You gotta be up with the times.

Today, it's exactly that ability

to translate online hype

into real-world trends

that's concerning so many people.

We had some people that were like,

"We don't want to shop with you

guys if you sell Kanyes".

They were just so opposed to it,

like parents... It wasn't too much

of the younger generation,

it was more like older generations.

And they were like

"Oh, we don't want to support it".

But they sell - like, our first

sale today at the store

was a pair of Yeezy slides.

So, this is our stockroom.

And then, this is literally

Yeezys, Yeezys, Yeezys, Yeezys.

Yeezys there, like a book store.

Adeel, what is the value

of all the stock?

Just Yeezy stock, like probably

1-2 million, at least.

Two million quid? Yeah.

Two million dollars? Dollars.

If you were to take these products

and the shoes didn't have

the word Yeezy on it,

they didn't have Yeezy branding,

it just had Adidas on it,

would it still sell?

I don't think it would.

If people didn't know this was

Kanye West, that's his fanbase,

it would just be another shoe.

People would actually...

The craziest thing is,

I always tell people this,

"I think people would hate

on it even more".

They'd be like, "What kind

of ugly shoe is this"?

Say it was a random kid in Miami

that just designed this

and he created his own company,

and it looked just exactly like this

without the Yeezy brand,

no-one'll care about it.

Some of these shoes,

Adeel was saying,

are kind of ugly.

But because they've got

particular branding,

because they've got that name,

people will buy them.

So, going with that theory,

if Ye can add his name to something

and sell an ugly shoe...

..it's entirely possible that he can

sell other ugly stuff too,

including ugly ideas.

I want Jewish children

to look at their daddy and say,

"Why is Ye mad at us"?

I want all the kids that

love my shoes and love my songs

to say, "Why is Ye mad?

"What have you done to his people?"

This shocking interview has

since been taken down

after Ye expanded on the

dangerous anti-Semitic tropes

that he'd shared in his tweets.

The Jewish people have their hand

on every single business

that controls the world.

And everybody knows that full fact.

Ye's claims about Jewish people

controlling money

and the media are untrue.

And it taps into a centuries-old

trope that promotes a false

narrative about the power of the

Jewish community as a collective,

who are working together for

their own interests

to the detriment of others.

Ye is stoking the already

alarming surge in anti-Semitism

across America, against a backdrop

of rising white nationalism

which accelerated under

Trump's presidency.

In 2017, a rally in Charlottesville

was attended by white nationalist

Nick Fuentes and other extremist

groups from across the country.

The march's message was unequivocal.

CHANTING: Jews will not replace us!

Jews will not replace us!

With many more people feeling

emboldened to express their hate,

the Anti-deformation League

reported the highest number of

anti-Semitic incidents

on record in 2022.

And white supremacists were

responsible for a reported 21

out of 25 extremist murders

in America that year.

I want to understand what was behind

Ye's flawed and dangerous thinking,

and what, if anything,

did he hope to gain?

Hey, Mobeen, how are you doing?

Hey, how are you doing?

Nice to meet you.

Yeah, you too, man.

Are you all right? How's it going?

Good, good.

Thanks for the time, bro.

No, thank you for coming down.

Kevin Coval,

a Jewish writer and poet,

has paid close attention to

what Ye has been saying.

Shall we grab a spot? Yeah!

Is that OK?

Oh, my God, this is such a nice

place. This is beautiful, man.

I'm someone who has had all

kinds of experiences, kind of,

in proximity to him, just being

a Chicagoan, being a Chicago kid.

Came up and mentored by some of

the folks that his mum

was colleagues with.

Instead of turning away from all

of Ye's ugly falsehoods,

Kevin confronted them head-on

in an online article.

To me this just seems like a

very teachable moment

that we should embrace,

rather than run from.

You know, and I thought what

he said is deplorable.

There seems to be a theme with

a lot of what Ye has put out there,

which is, essentially,

this notion of Jewish control.

There's conspiracy theories that

are referenced. Yeah.

Of course, he is delighting

in anti-Semitic tropes,

and sampling and recycling them,

which is hard to take because

he's such a genius when it comes to

the samples he's chosen

in his career.

He's picking these tropes that

go really back to the charge

of de-icide against Jews, you know,

who've been accused of k*lling Jesus

but, you know, we're not running

the Roman government.

I mean, it was the Romans,

you know?

But this notion has been

perpetuated again and again.

Why do you think that is?

I think that there is a strain

of evangelical Christianity

that is anti-Semitic, and I

certainly believe that there is a

rich tradition of white nationalism

that is anti-Semitic.

You know, I mean, the notion

that there's a cabal of, you know,

Jewish bankers that run the world,

you know, has a lot to do with how,

you know, Christianity has posited

Jewish people historically.

I think we have to address that,

because I think it's a place

to come together between black

and Jewish communities, and I think

that's work that we need to do.

In part, because I think that

there are forces that are greater

than our communities that are

trying to keep us apart,

and ultimately trying to destroy us,

both communities.

You know, it's no -

it's no mistake that in a place

like Charlottesville, you know,

you have white supremacists

walking with tiki torches saying,

"The Jews will not replace us,"

but I mean, they also mean

black folks, they also mean

Latinos coming to this country.

They mean anyone who they don't

identify as, you know, a,

you know, kind of like an Aryan.

Sure. It's a form of neo-Nazism.

Amidst the rising tide of hate,

Ye wore a T-shirt featuring

the slogan "White Lives Matter" -

a simple statement charged

because it's a slogan used

by white supremacists and other

hate groups to respond to

the Black Lives Matter movement.

Ye's actions were hurtful and

alarming to many around the world.

But the condemnation

wasn't universal.

The enemies of his ideas

dismissed West,

as they have for years,

as mentally ill.

We've rarely heard a man

speak so honestly

and movingly about what he believes.

Once again, Ye grabbed the attention

of the right-wing news media.

They celebrated him as a voice

that needed to be listened to.

So, how was this all being processed

by those working for

racial justice in America?

Hey, Marcus, I'm Mobeen.

Hey! Hey nice to meet you!

Not so long ago, Ye was seen

as someone who could contribute

to that conversation.

So far, so good. How about you?

Yeah, really good, thank you.

Yeah, I love the outfit.

Oh, thank you.

Dr Marcus Hunter was one of the

people who first coined the phrase

"Black Lives Matter".

I think that is going into

a very dangerous place, you know,

where the consequences of his

actions, of his statements

are much larger in scale, not only

because of his increased celebrity,

but also because of what he means

to, you know, the black community,

what he means to the black people

who buy his music, who support him.

We would say "your day ones"

you know, like,

that you're harming your day ones,

and you're throwing them out

to pasture for these day 15,

day 20, day 30s.

I want to understand, then,

how you felt,

how you responded when

you saw Ye wearing a

"White Lives Matter" T-shirt.

Yeah, it was, for me,

"sl*very is a choice" part two.

When you hear about sl*very for

400 years - for 400 years?

That sound like a choice!

Like, you was there for 400 years,

and it's all of ya'll?

That's devastating to

so many communities.

That's devastating to

the consciousness.

Just think about young

black children and

they really worship you,

they value your music,

they feel like you're more

important than the teachers who are

communicating this information.

And mind you, nobody wants

to learn about sl*very,

it's not like people's

favourite topic.

You finally are, in America,

able to teach it and it's a part

of the curriculum -

only for someone to come out

and say, "It's a choice".

Like, it's important for people

to understand it was involuntary.

You know, it's criminal.

Do you think that a lot of

this perspective and the viewpoints

he's expressing could just be down

to the idea of shocking?

Because it's served him well,

hasn't it?

I think a lot of times with him,

there is an attention-seeking

going on, and unfortunately, it's

been going on for quite some time

cos, as I said, it begins with

"sl*very is a choice,"

you know, in terms of public

statements that really negate

the experience and the history

of black people here.

But when you say "White Lives

Matter", the jeopardy is for

so many more people than just

you and your ecosystem.

So many more people

who you might never meet.

That's the part that we don't know.

Who are you trying to empower,

and who are you trying

to disempower?

You've gaslit the black community,

you've gaslit the Jewish community,

gaslit, you know,

the commercial industry.

Just a lot of people who are now

very clear about the fact

that you have been harmful

to all of them.

Also clear is that Ye was

not backing down.

In late 2022, Ye went from

spotlighting white nationalists

to courting a group of

black supremacists.

The connecting thread?

Anti-Semitism.

We are the Jew,

and they are Jew-ish,

like that of a Jew.

That's what I'm talking about.

Oh, you wanted to hear that -

I'm already cancelled, right,

so I can say stuff like that.

Now, that ideology, it comes from

this extreme version of this group

called the Black Israelites.

They believe that certain black,

Hispanic and Native American people

are the only true descendants of

the biblical 12 tribes of Israel.

So, this is a group that many people

see as an anti-Semitic hate group,

because their ideology frames

the global Jewish community -

that are acknowledged as

the Jewish community -

as impostors that have

stolen their birthright.

The Black Israelites spend a lot

of their time on the streets

in Hollywood preaching,

and in streets around the country,

preaching on Saturday afternoons.

Who's giving them compassion?

Who's giving them the love

that they need?

Ain't nobody doing that, man.

You understand, so it's time

for us to love our own

and come together with our own.

Cos those brothers in the streets...

So, what role does this ideology

play in where Ye is today?

..the truth according to the Bible.

We want to tell our people the truth

and give them the guidance...

Hey, how are you doing? I'm Mobeen.

Captain Gadoha, yeah?

Yeah, what's your name? Mobeen.

Is it all right if I chat to you for

a little bit? Yeah, for sure.

I'll be completely honest with you,

I hadn't heard of the Black

Israelite movement before. Right.

I heard of it via Ye.

Right, right, right.

And you know, he put out a tweet

at one point saying that

he can't be anti-Semitic

because he is, er, he's a Jew.

Right, right, right. Yeah?

And I know he did kind of a podcast

thing as well, with someone

from your organisation, a senior...

Yeah, Captain Azaria.

Captain Azaria.

And in there, he said, "I am Jew,

I am a Jew, they are Jew-ish."

Exactly. Yeah? Explain what

that means to me.

That was correct, what Kanye said.

Of course, we've been saying it

since 1969, that we're the Jews,

the true Jews that

the Bible speaks of.

Could you see how that could be

construed as stripping away

someone's identity and

being offensive? Of course.

Do you ever get people

coming here and saying that

you're anti-Semitic?

Do you have that conversation?

All the time.

So, what do you say to those people?

Prove it.

Prove it. I tell them prove it

in the Bible that I'm anti-Semitic.

And I'll prove to you I'm not.

It's very difficult to say

it's just facts from the Bible,

cos the Bible or the Koran,

or any of these religious texts,

people interpret them

in different ways. For sure.

So, it's very difficult for someone

to say, "Oh, it's just facts,"

because that's your interpretation.

Right. Erm... In your opinion, yes.

It would be my interpretation.

Absolutely my opinion.

Right, so, yes.

To put forward the idea that another

community are not who they say

they are could lead to harm,

and it's one of the reasons

so many Jewish people are concerned

about groups like this across

America and around the world.

At the moment it feels like he's

flirting with the idea. Mm-hm.

Do you think he could be reborn

and join your movement?

In my opinion, no.

You don't think he will?

He's too rich, he doesn't care.

Everything for him is a play,

you know what I mean?

It's a play for him.

I don't think he really truly

believes in the culture.

He's kind of cherry-picking -

would that be a fair way to put it?

Mm-hm. That's he's just taking a,

kind of, one core belief,

but he might not have signed up to

the whole thing, is that the idea?

Exactly, right, right, right.

Is this something you were...

Were you born into it,

or was it something

you've discovered?

I was just in the world just

like anybody else.

Meaning outside the truth,

not knowing my heritage,

my culture, and things like that.

And I found the truth, you know,

watching on YouTube, honestly.

So, how old were you when you were

watching this on YouTube,

and you really thought,

"This is something that

I really need to consider"?

I was 19. 19? Yeah.

Some of the people that Ye

is aligning himself with right now

are huge figures on the world

of the internet.

I'm talking about people who would

identify as white nationalists.

OK. Right? Right.

Do you think that's worrying?

For who?

For all of us. Because, you know,

you've got a pop culture

with huge amounts of influence

putting out a tweet.

I think that is anti-Semitic,

I think that is scary.

I mean, are you insinuating

he's inciting something? Right?

I think so, yeah.

I mean, this is my opinion.

I think it's going beyond

the boundary, you know...

What boundary? Are there boundaries?

You know what I'm saying?

I understand what you're saying.

You're saying there is

a level of human decency that

everyone should have,

and he's going beyond that.

You just said it.

I understand, I get you.

But what... So, who's going

to stop him?

You get what I'm saying?

Does it... Am I in fear?

No, not at all.

And should you be in fear?

I don't think so.

Thinking about Captain Gadoha

sitting down at his laptop

and going down this

rabbit hole on YouTube,

and that ending up with this...

That is really dangerous.

So, then, for a moment if

we consider Ye and his fandom,

and the fact that he is plugging

these ideas, and also the ideas

of people like Fuentes,

Christian fundamentalists,

and that is going out to potentially

millions of people in the fandom,

what kind of effect is that

going to have?

What is that going to look like

20 years from now?

That's a really scary thought.

It can seem easy to dismiss ideas

shared on a street corner,

but the fact is divisive ideas like

these, amplified on the internet,

can reach millions and can

have consequence.

In December 2019, a kosher

supermarket in New Jersey

was the target of deadly violence.

Three people were shot and k*lled.

There has been considerable

reporting that these

two suspects are linked to the

Black Hebrew Israelite movement.

We have evidence that both suspects

expressed interest in this group.

The attackers were shot dead

at the scene.

The police later discovered

one of them posted about

Black Israelite ideology

on social media.

Before I went any further,

there was another part of this story

that was important to understand.

Hi, Bassey. Hi.

I'm Mobeen. Hi, Bassey.

Lovely to meet you. Oh, you, too.

How are you doing? I'm good.

You OK? Thank you, yeah.

Ye's outbursts have fuelled

a very public conversation about

hate speech from someone that has a

documented mental health condition.

I want to know what role, if any,

Ye's bipolar diagnosis has to play.

Ooh! Can we make it up here?

This'll be a good thigh workout.

Oh, this is beautiful!

Oh, wow.

After being diagnosed as bipolar,

Bassey became a mental health

advocate and wrote a book

about her own experiences.

APPLAUSE

Let's get right into it.

Please give a warm Def Poetry

welcome for Bassey Ikpi,

from Nigeria!

CHEERING

Back in the early 2000s, she was

known for her stirring performances

in the Def Jam poetry scene.

Welcome to the place where a

black face asks, "Who will be next"?

And a white one answers, "Not I".

Welcome to the place that

justice forgot.

Welcome to the place that fights

no battles with the have-nots.

Welcome to the place where

our blood runs.

It's here she crossed paths with

an up-and-coming producer

trying to make his mark as

a performing artist.

The thing about that performance

is that no-one knew who he was.

He wasn't Kanye at that point,

he was just this kid from Chicago.

And one of the poems he did

ended up on one of his songs.

So, like, a year,

two years later, we're like,

"Wait, is that the same guy?"

You were there that day?

I was there that day.

Tell me that ain't inse-curr.

The concept of school

seems so se-curr.

Sophomore three yurrs ain't

picked a car-urr.

LAUGHTER

Just like Ye, Bassey's journey

towards her bipolar diagnosis

began during a tour.

When the doctor, like,

went off the list of symptoms,

I was sitting here like,

"All of that is me."

"I've experienced all of this."

Just give me that list.

Erm, consistent high energy,

the lack of discernment,

the inability to regulate when it's

appropriate to say certain things.

Being unable to regulate your moods.

And a lot of what was scary,

too, was that the highs,

I thought, were my personality.

I thought that's who I was.

Like, I talk a lot and...

Just kind of fun-loving,

"I can do anything".

Yeah! I like to go out, exactly.

I like to go out, I can...

You know, my friends were like,

"Oh, she never sleeps.

"Just call her. She's up."

I would write.

I was so creative, I thought.

It's almost physically

uncomfortable.

It is physically uncomfortable.

It's like, if you don't get

this thing out, you're not

going to be able to rest.

So, as soon as you get it out,

you'll rest. But it never stops.

The getting it out never stops.

The rest never comes.

There's always more.

There's always more.

People with bipolar experience

extreme highs known as mania

and depressive lows.

It isn't clear what causes it,

but stressful and traumatic events

like grief are known to be triggers.

It's treated with therapy

and medication.

So much of what you describe,

I can see it in the

very public life of Kanye.

So, the extreme highs.

Those are all symptoms.

You know, all that arrogance,

all that bravado, all that, like,

big talk about yourself and your

capabilities and abilities,

those are symptoms.

And here's the thing, too,

that people don't really get.

It is you but magnified. Right?

So, I'm not making the case

that he's this, like,

"Oh, no, no, no,

he's just a lovely guy.

"And this is all, like, as soon

as he takes the medication,

"he'll be different."

He's probably a jerk.

He's probably

hard to get along with.

He's probably, you know...

All the things that we think of him,

he's probably all of that.

And the illness magnifies it

to unthinkable levels.

Someone like you or I,

we would eventually lose friends

and not have replacements.

We would eventually lose money.

So, our rock-bottom that was

kind of like,

"OK, I need help"

would come much quicker.

He's being embraced by

this new group of people,

and he's falling into that embrace.

This can't end well.

This won't end well.

There's the anti-Semitism,

there's the anti-blackness,

there's the aligning with

white nationalists.

They're not going to attract

a lot of sympathy, are they?

No, not at all. And they shouldn't.

It's understandable.

I understand perfectly why people

feel the way that they do.

I don't have these conversations

to change their mind

about Kanye West.

I have these conversations so

people will understand the reality

of living with a mental illness

that people are unable to find

sympathy and empathy for.

As well as all the harm he'd caused,

Ye's behaviour was, in some ways,

contributing to a lack of

understanding of bipolar disorder.

Living with the condition

in no way excuses Ye's bigotry,

but it is part of his story.

Come into the office.

A month after Ye was dropped

by agents and brands...

This is Giuliano right here.

Hi, Giuliano!

He was filming me outside,

so I said, "Just come inside."

Let's pick up over here.

How are you guys?

..he invited paparazzi

into his LA studio.

Here, take this. Oh, yeah.

Thank you, Kanye.

They'll make another one, here.

Appreciate you, man. Yeah.

Despite huge backlash, Ye acted

like it was business as usual,

confirming a presidential

bid was on the cards.

Ye24.

I'm trotting out...

So, you are running? Yes.

Just days later, Jay and Nick

Fuentes were reported to have met

with former president Donald Trump.

The dinner made headline

news around the world,

and fears were growing that Ye was

helping Nick get a seat at the table

to push American political debate

even further to the right.

It felt more important than ever

that Ye be held to account

for his actions.

But getting hold of a celebrity

with no PR team, no record deal

and no agent isn't exactly easy.

This is worth a shot.

I think it's a direct letter.

It's not shying away

from this idea...

..there are things you

need to talk about.

I've seen this video

that's been published,

which is Ye in an

American flag puffer jacket

dropping in on this church.

It's not a particularly glossy,

glamorous church,

certainly not a megachurch.

So, I'm going to swing by.

And the idea is, maybe they have

a route in to him directly.

Maybe they have that

kind of contact.

And even if they don't, I've got

my bunch of letters to Ye.

So this is the perfect place

to drop one off.

I wasn't sure how my visit to

the church would turn out.

But the man being hugged

by Ye in the video

was right there in the car park.

Do you live in your car, Mark?

Absolutely.

How long have you been living in...?

I've been homeless for nine years.

Nine years? Minus a year.

Oh, really?

That must be quite tough.

No, it's not. Tough is when you're

shopping-cart homeless.

When you have a car, you feel safe.

Yeah.

Mark explained that Ye often

dropped in at the church,

and it turns out Nick Fuentes and

members of the Ye24 campaign team

were also regulars.

They all said that I was the most

religiously erudite in the room,

and Ye started looking to me

for my opinion on

every topic that came up.

He called me the following Monday,

the Monday before Thanksgiving.

And the first thing he

said to me was,

"I want you to be my campaign

manager to run for president."

I'm fascinated by this idea

that Ye effectively chose you

to run his campaign.

And I mean... God chose me.

You think Ye's another actor?

We're all actors!

Shakespeare said we're

all actors, right?

OK, so that's a way to look at it.

But you don't fit into the mould

of someone I would say is

a seasoned political campaigner.

No, not at all.

Does he strike you as quite erratic,

or does he strike you as someone

that knows exactly what he's doing?

Does he change his mind a lot?

I feel he's a little whimsical.

Whimsical? Yes.

Can I go one step further?

And obviously, I'm not asking

you to diagnose here,

because neither of us are

qualified to do that.

Of course, Ye has spoken publicly

about the fact that he's bipolar.

I don't think he has bipolar.

He's spoken to that.

He has no interest in medications.

Does he...?

So, he says, "Maybe I'm autistic

and Rain Man with superpowers".

OK?

That's his latest take.

I'm concerned that if he's not on

his medication, maybe things

are going to get worse for him.

No, that's Satan.

I rebuke that,

in the name of Jesus.

Screw that.

Screw you for suggesting that.

For suggesting what?

That he take his medications.

You think that would be a bad thing?

That would be an evil,

horrible thing to do. Yes.

Why would it be evil?

Because God doesn't like sorcery.

So, that was that.

With no sign of Ye,

I was about to leave

when I bumped into another Ye24

campaigner in the car park.

I'm going to go for it, OK?

Nick Fuentes,

the alt-right extremist who airs

his r*cist views on his live

streams, was also there.

I want to ask him about

his increasingly influential

role in the campaign.

On social media, Nick says that

referring to Ye's mental health

is a convenient way

to undermine his message.

No? You don't think so?

Have a good day, Nick.

It looked like I'd never get

the chance to question Nick or Ye

about the impact of the extremist

views they were putting out.

f*cking hell.

Hearing about this church,

I thought it might be a place

that Ye stopped off at,

and he made an appearance,

and then might be able

to get a line to him.

I didn't realise...

..that this little church,

with a guy living in

the parking lot...

..seems to be the

current headquarters of

the entire operation.

I did go inside and spend some

time with the pastor,

who didn't want to be on camera.

He told me Ye had bought

part of the property

and had big plans.

The pastor showed me...

He said, "If you come out to these

buildings," we took a little walk,

he showed me the rooms at the back

full of women on their sewing

machines, mood boards,

new designs for the Yeezy line.

This place is now meant

to be his political headquarters,

and a place where Yeezy fashion

designs are created and made.

He's trying to turn this place,

this unassuming church,

into his new empire.

And actually, the bigger

question there is,

where is all this going to end?

Because I don't think this is

the last incarnation of Ye

that we're going to see.

There's a trajectory here,

and there's a spiral,

and it's downward.

It's Thursday, December 1st, 2022.

I'm your host, Alex Jones,

and in studio,

Ye is our guest.

He'll be here, he says,

for the next three hours or so.

And also America First leader,

and that is Nick Fuentes.

Now, you've got God's warriors

coming together.

Infowars is an online

talk show hosted by the

conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

After a string of challenging

interviews with more

traditional outlets, Ye continued

to spread his dangerous

conspiracy theories online.

The so-called crime doesn't

deserve the punishment.

What did I - I thought...

That's right, you're not Hitler.

You're not a n*zi.

You don't deserve to be called

that and demonised.

Well, I...

I see...I see good things

about Hitler also.

The Jews... I love everyone.

Ye doubled down on his bigotry

in front of a reported audience

of millions.

I don't like Hitler,

and I know you're trying to be

shocking with that.

I'm not trying to be shocking.

I like Hitler, I do not...

The Holocaust is not what happened.

Let's look at the facts of that.

And Hitler has a lot of

redeeming qualities.

The m*rder of six million Jewish

people during the Holocaust

is an inconvenient truth for

conspiracy theorists.

So, instead of engaging

with history,

they simply argue that it didn't

happen in order to continue

promoting their hateful untruths

about supposed Jewish power

and control.

Following his initial

anti-Semitic statement,

the Holocaust Museum in LA

invited Ye for a private tour.

He declined the offer.

But I wanted to find out more

about just how dangerous

these statements are.

You know, words matter,

words have consequences.

We see students from all over LA,

and most of them don't know

what anti-Semitism is.

And to learn it from someone

like Kanye West is, you know,

that's a serious problem.

You mean that's their first

reference point of anti-Semitism?

It's Kanye West rather than an

understanding of history, of

the Holocaust, any of those things?

Exactly.

So, what they're learning from Kanye

West is these anti-Semitic tropes

that have been around for

thousands of years.

We know that Jewish people have

been used as scapegoats.

Our message definitely provoked

a lot of hateful remarks,

and that was really the first time

where we saw hateful messages

posted on our social

media platforms.

When you think about it,

there are 15 million

Jewish people in the world.

Ye has over 30 million followers

on social media.

It's chilling because,

even if you cancel Ye,

the tweet is out there.

It's already...

it's out there in the world.

The floodgates have been opened,

and there is that ripple effect.

The impact of Ye's words

were felt globally,

with his hate spilling into

the real world.

And in Jacksonville, the city's

mayor is also condemning a number

of anti-Semitic messages recently

seen across the city.

It follows controversial remarks

made by rapper Kanye West.

The message could be seen during

the Georgia-Florida game day

celebrations, and it was projected

at the stadium, reading - quote -

"Kanye is right about the Jews".

On college campuses and

online stores,

hate was being spread

in Ye's name...

..at times leading to violence.

In Central Park, a 63-year-old

man minding his own business

became the victim of a vile

hate crime earlier this month.

Cops say this man spewed

anti-Semitic rhetoric and

made a reference to Kanye West

before attacking the victim,

punching his teeth right

out of his mouth.

And then, he walked away.

News stories like these,

and another incident where

a Jewish man had his nose broken by

an attacker whose friend reportedly

shouted, "Do it for Kanye,"

were evidence that even though

Ye had put out messages urging

for no violence,

the consequences of his words

had gone beyond his control.

So far, I had no response

to my letters,

but Ye certainly had a lot

of questions to answer.

But one person in his inner

circle agreed to speak to me.

That's me over there.

Alex Klein, a tech entrepreneur,

was a friend and business partner

of Ye's between 2019 and 2022 -

and it was during that time

that Alex witnessed first-hand

a worrying shift in Ye's personal

and professional persona.

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place to rest... #

In this music video,

Ye wore a black mask that would

come to symbolise this dark

chapter of his career.

Standing in the midst of

a striking scene referencing

biblical destruction, Ye appeared

to give fans a sign of where

his music and politics was headed.

But way before all of that,

Alex, like many in his generation,

had grown up with Ye's music.

What would you say your level

of fandom was?

Oh, I loved Kanye.

You know, any new music he dropped,

I would listen to it right away.

I was interviewed in 2015.

And I was asked, if you could pitch

one person on your company,

who would it be?

And I actually said Kanye.

I was like, "I would pitch Kanye,

cos he's an operator and an artist

"who works in many disciplines".

Four years later, Ye and Alex

were in business together

to launch a new music device.

But in the aftermath of

Ye's anti-Semitism,

Alex felt he could no longer

work with him.

We turned down $10 million.

Kanye was very angry.

He was saying, you know,

"I feel like I want to smack you,"

You know, "You're exactly

like the other Jews."

Like, almost relishing and revelling

in how offensive he could be,

using these phrases,

hoping to hurt me.

There's a whole bunch of people

out there who will say

it's irresponsible even to be

having a conversation about Ye,

because he's so beyond the pale.

Why do you think it is important

to talk about Ye?

Because the...

..return of Kanye is inevitable.

And I think it's important to shed

light on the situation,

because Kanye...

..has communicated,

using his powerful and

persuasive voice,

racial conspiracy theories that

diverts attention to a scapegoat.

And this demon in the box that

he's playing with for

his own benefit is irresponsible.

The conversation

has become like, you know,

"Oh, it's his mental health, and,

"Oh, you know, maybe a few

"Jewish people screwed him over".

And it's like, no, it's like...

..Kanye needs to be taken seriously.

I asked him, I was like,

"So, do you really think that Jews

"are working together

to hold you back?"

And he said, "Yes, yes, I do.

"But it's not even a statement

that I need to take back,

"because look at all the energy

around me right now -

"without that statement,

I wouldn't become president."

He thinks it's his manifest destiny,

his God-chosen destiny

to become president.

He used these anti-Jewish statements

as part of a political platform.

And he told me that he was

attempting to do

what Trump did in a more

intense way.

So, the analogy he used

to me was like...

..the way like Kobe invented a

new way to play basketball,

which then LeBron followed on to,

"Kobe is like Trump,

I'm like LeBron for politics."

So, he wants to supersize Trump?

Exactly, yeah.

I hadn't ever imagined

that Ye could have unleashed

all of this hate as part of

an election strategy.

It wouldn't be the first time a

candidate has used division

to win support from voters.

Up until now, I couldn't find

a way to contact him.

But then, I was given some details

that I was told were

a direct line to Ye.

I was hoping this could be

my chance to find out the truth

about his divisive campaign.

So, there's every chance

this isn't even going to connect.

You don't try, you don't know.

PHONE RINGS

It's actually ringing.

Just rung out.

PHONE RINGS

But just as we put the camera down,

Ye called back.

PHONE RINGS

Hello?

Hello, this is Mobeen Azhar.

I'm from the BBC.

I was trying to get hold of Ye.

Ye!

Er, so my name is Mobeen.

I'm from the BBC.

So, Ye, I-I've been working

on this documentary for a while.

I've been speaking to...

So, the person who gave me your

number specifically said,

"Please don't pass on my details."

Yeah.

He hung up.

He might be thinking that,

"Maybe I just don't engage with

"any of this stuff, and it's just

going to blow over.

"I've done stuff that's

controversial in the past,

"and I've just moved on.

I've put out other albums.

"I've continued to get deals" -

and maybe that's true.

Maybe that commercial interest

and the fact that you stick

his name on stuff and it sells...

..maybe that'll pull him

through this.

But I don't think that's right.

I don't think that's right.

I don't think it's good.

I don't think it's

how responsible society works,

when you've put stuff out there...

..that has really hurt people.

And I don't mean just

hurt people's feelings.

I mean, resulted in people being

attacked on the street.

I don't think it should

work that way.

I think he has an absolute

responsibility...

..to answer some questions.

MUSIC: Love & Hate

by Michael Kiwanuka

In America today,

so often divided and angry,

Ye's story is a perfect fit.

Whilst his capital as an artist

and certainly his commercial

force is diminished,

the outrage he causes

has become his currency.

If he really believes his bigotry

could take him to the White House,

we can only hope the future

will prove him wrong.

# Love and hate

# How much more are we supposed

to tolerate?

# Calling for my demons

now to let me go

# I need something,

give me something wonderful... #