O.J. Simpson: Blood, Lies & m*rder (2023)

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[Operator] We're sorry,

you have reached the number

...

that has been disconnected

or is no longer...

[Tom] O.J., it's Tom again.

Can you to hear me?

Hey, hang on the line,

I wanna talk to you.

Okay. I'm still here.

I'm just getting

a little interference here.

You're going to break our

hearts, don't do this.

That's okay. Listen,

there's nothing

to be sorry about.

My name is Tom Lang.

I am a former LAPD homicide

detective of 29 years.

[line trilling]

Hello, O.J.? You still there?

He's thinking.

I've been involved in

250 different homicides.

One m*rder investigation

still bothers me.

[Operator] 911 emergency.

[Nicole] Yeah. Can you send

someone to my house?

[Operator] Oh, okay. Is he the

sportscaster or whatever?

[Nicole] Yeah.

[Operator]

Is he threatening you?

[Nicole]

Please send somebody over.

[Tom] It's the double m*rder,

that occurred

at 875 South Bundy.

[Operator] Is he black, white

or Hispanic?

[Nicole] Black.

[Tom] I was the lead detective

in that case.

The evidence led to one suspect

and that was O.J. Simpson.

[Operator] He's back, okay,

what does he look like?

[Nicole] He's O.J. Simpson.

I think you know his record.

[Tom] The Hall of Fame,

NFL football player and actor.

[Nicole] He just drove up again.

[Operator]

What kind of car is he in?

[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.

But first of all,

he broke the back door down...

[Tom] In what has been referred

to as the trial of the century.

O.J. was found not guilty

of k*lling his ex-wife,

Nicole Brown Simpson,

and her friend Ron Goldman.

- [Nicole] O.J.

- [Operator] O.J.

Back then, we were gagged.

We couldn't talk to anybody,

couldn't talk to the media,

couldn't discuss the case

with anybody else.

Victims had

their throat slashed.

I'm not gagged now.

All these years later,

I could tell a story,

why it happened. The fact that

it shouldn't have happened.

We've got the evidence

to show it.

[Tom] Hang on the line.

I want to talk to you.

- [O.J.] I'm here.

- [Tom] Okay, I'm still here.

Just getting a little

interference here.

Can you hear me?

O.J.? He's gone again.

O.J., you there?

[O.J.] Uh...

[Tom] Get rid of the g*n.

[O.J.] Uh...

[Tom]

Nobody's going to get hurt.

Man to man, right?

Listen, you've been a man

Listen, you've been a man

a

Don't give in now.

[Reporter] And there are reports

that blood stained clothes

a in Simpson's home.

[Man] We can't jump the g*n.

We can't afford

to make a mistake.

We are very meticulous

in what we do.

You don't know the facts

of the case.

This is where he parked the

Bronco, the night of the m*rder.

A lot of things have changed

approaching Bundy

where 875 used to be.

[Reporter] An L.A. homicide

detective says

O.J. Simpson's arrest

is imminent.

Simpson trial was held

right here.

[Reporter] It began early on the

morning of June 13th.

Neighbors discovered

the bloody m*rder scene.

He's shocked.

He's really grieving.

He's upset.

Mr. Simpson is a fugitive

of justice.

I plead 100% not guilty.

This is a trial about the man

that m*rder*d my son.

[Woman] Is a trail of blood from

[Woman] Is a trail of blood from

B

and into the defendant's

very bedroom

linked by the defendant's

white Ford Bronco.

Get out of the way.

[Man] You think O.J. had a bag

with the bloody clothes

- and the knife?

- [Man] There!

Have you ever heard

the term cover up?

[Reporter]

Recognized around the world,

first for speed

and athletic grace and now

for a grisly,

gripping m*rder case.

[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the

right to remain silent.

If you give up the right

to remain silent,

anything you say can

and will be used against you

in a court of law.

Do you understand your rights?

[Tom] Are there any questions

about that?

[Tom] Okay. You going to speak

up audibly.

[Tom] You can never have too

much evidence in a m*rder case

period.

It's almost embarrassing

to articulate.

But the prosecution withheld

a lot of evidence

really pisses you off

after a while.

There's good evidence.

People don't realize that.

This was just after

the Rodney King riots.

The officers in that trial

were acquitted.

The LAPD in particular,

was not particularly liked

by the populace of L.A..

Eye for an eye,

tooth for a tooth.

[Tom] So the prosecution is a

little, little too careful,

I think, not to put on

a certain amount of evidence

brought by the LAPD.

Okay, I want people

who watch this

to walk away with the truth.

I don't want them to have a

comic book version of this case.

[O.J.] Is that I did not,

could not, would not

have committed this crime.

I have four kids,

kids I haven't seen in a year.

All you can do

is all you can do.

[Reporter]

Los Angeles homicide detective

But hey, we've got witnesses.

We've got experts.

They're going to tell this

audience what happened for real,

they're not going to juice it.

My name is Michelle Kessler,

former employee of the

Los Angeles Police Department.

I was involved in

many high profile cases.

Hillside Strangler case,

nude bodies were found

on the hilly slopes

around the Hollywood...

ARamirez is a devil worshiper

And of course,

the O.J. Simpson case.

I'm Alan Park,

O.J. Simpson's limousine driver.

The night of June 12, 1994.

6' 200lbs, it just seems to be

a pretty big female.

You wouldn't lie to me

when I talk to you, would you?

My name is Rod Englert. I'm a

crime scene reconstructionist.

Now, let me tell you, the shots

that are fired, there's three.

He was convicted and is doing

life in the penitentiary.

I've worked on some

very high profile cases.

Robert Blake.

[Woman] We the jury find the

defendant not guilty

of the crime of first degree

m*rder of Bonny Lee Bakley.

I was retained in this

particular case

to do a reconstruction of what

did or didn't occur.

California versus O.J. Simpson.

Okay, get your knife. It's very

important we start a time.

Just and it was sort of like,

you know, someone said,

you're on the edge of your seat.

I'm on the edge of my seat.

Listening of is he lying?

This guy's lying, like... Yes.

[Reporter] As Clark stared down

her own witness.

This isn't for entertainment

as much as it is for education.

I'm not an actor. Okay?

I'm going to put this out.

What really happened?

Number one, I'm tired of people

lying and the media,

the lawyers.

This will clear all of that up.

We're going to get to everything

that screwed this case up.

What happened happened.

You don't buy it.

You buy it.

It's still gonna tell you

2 and 2 is 4,

I'm not a salesman.

[Rod] This will be

a reconstruction based upon

the physical evidence,

the autopsy, the blood patterns,

trace evidence, and the patterns

of blood on the clothing

and at the scene.

I was retained in this case

to come in and do

a crime scene reconstruction

with emphasis

on blood pattern analysis,

and to be able to

put the pieces together.

This what appeared to be

a large puzzle at the time.

[Nicole] He's going to beat the

sh*t out of...

[Operator] Wait a minute,

just stay on the line

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- Okay Nicole?

- [Nicole] Uh-huh.

[Rod] So I have these props

and props give one the ability

to be able to reconstruct based

again solely upon the evidence.

There's no speculation here.

The attacker comes to

the residence

and I want to put on the props.

[Tom] This is about the victims.

That's where we're here.

That's our job.

We gotta find out who did this.

I asked you to go back up

to like you're pretending

to come out of your apartment.

And when the attacker

gets to the residence,

gets a knife...

And as Nicole steps down,

she is stabbed on the head

and she have contusions

on her head.

And there are four stab wounds

on the left side of her neck

that penetrate down

to her heart.

She goes down on the ground

with her head on the first step.

She's bleeding from the wounds

on her left side,

making a pool of blood

that not only is filling up

this particular area, but it's

running down onto the sidewalk,

simultaneously to that as Ron

walks up a witness hears,

Hey, hey, hey.

He is stabbed on his left side,

which is a very fatal wound

that starts bleeding

down his pant leg and they will

stomp spreading the blood

that's projecting large and

small stains onto the clothing.

They back up into this area,

spattering blood

by stomping in the blood of

Nicole that is now running

from her wounds.

She's bleeding profusely.

I am backed up against her

as the glove comes off

and as you pull it off, let it

go down over to the left,

along with the

glasses that drop.

[Tom] And every question that

came up, he's answered

and he was never called.

There's no reason for that,

except I have my own opinion

on why he wasn't called.

If you want to hear that?

[Rod] During the struggle,

I'm trying to get in your throat

and then you reach up and pull

the hat off of my head.

It will fall there to

our left hand side.

[Tom] This is the LAPD on trial.

This is the LAPD who've been

accused of being r*cist,

of planting evidence

and the jury, again,

they were being fed this

by the prosecution.

Fine. But you can't put evidence

on unless you put the person on

who found the evidence.

You have to admit it

legally in a court of law,

on the stand, under oath,

in court, you can't just come in

and drop a piece of evidence,

and say, we want this, we want

the jury to look at this.

The prosecutor,

for better or worse,

did not want to appear

to be in bed with the cops.

[Rod] You get the knife in

while you're struggling,

cutting in the margins

of the wound,

different planes creating what's

called a swallowtail wound.

And as we go over to the area

here, we're still fighting.

You will go around and then down

on your buttocks,

your pager will pop off

of your belt.

And as it comes off, you will

also bleed on to this rail,

the bottom rail

that we have here.

And I go back over to Nicole,

cut from left to right,

capturing and cutting a large

amount of hairs on to the knife

and then goes over to

Ron Goldman.

There's two grab marks and blood

on the back side of his shirt.

Grab Mark is consistent

with pulling him over

because in the scene photograph,

this shirt is pulled up

and then the attacker

from right to left

will cut his throat also,

as was done to Nicole.

The attacker will leave

and go over to Nicole,

step on and put an impression

of the Bruno Magli shoe

onto her right side

below the arm,

and then continue and drop blood

from cutting his own finger

when attacking Ron

will drip blood to the left,

continue all the way

back to the alley,

which is about 200 feet back.

There is so much evidence in

this case, the only way

that the defense can work

towards resolving it

in their favor

is to just throwing dirt

to take the attention away

from the case in chief.

O and the cover up continues.

[Tom] This is the only

personal journal that exists

in this entire case.

It is currently in

the Law Enforcement Museum

in Washington, DC.

This is personal. These are

observations that I made,

people I had dealings with, and

it's the case in my own words

and my own thoughts

and my own deeds.

I'm using a rubber glove.

It's human blood.

That is medium velocity spatter.

[Tom] Photographed here, we're

very interested in

this blood droplet or cast off

whatever you want to call it,

possibly from a wound you said

or maybe a m*rder weapon.

We don't know. But we want this

because it's out of place.

[Rod] But the thing that's

significant, it shows up,

up here by the steps

and it goes all the way back,

drops like that

to the back gate,

which about 200 feet away

to the alley.

[Tom] I made a specific request

through the investigator

- to collect all of this blood.

- You did say that.

Oh, I said that

and she wrote it down.

Again everything goes sideways,

sometimes at the worst times,

the coroner's investigator

was off with a broken leg,

so they did not have

a criminalist there.

So instead of somebody inquiring

washed the body down.

Which can be

the attackers blood.

Yeah, the donor

could be the attacker.

[Tom] Yeah. And of course,

the defense got all over us.

The real story behind this,

however, just inches away,

we have a similar drop

on the sole of the left boot.

Here it is right here,

Ron Goldman.

- Okay.

- We have this, is a droplet

- or a cast off tailing down.

- And it's not disturbed.

- Blood's everywhere.

- Yeah, but no some's fallen

in the air after these two

are down and they're immobile.

So what would that be? Right.

The knife. Because they had

knife wounds or like you said,

the attacker.

Thank God the coroner didn't get

hold of that boot

and wash it down.

So we were able to get the blood

off of the sole of the boot.

Take your eye off the ball

or off the prize.

If you deviate from

what you normally do,

you're going to screw it up.

Whose blood is on that droplet?

It's a mixture.

Both victims

is on that blood droplet.

Came from a common source

to further corroborate,

we look at the same area here,

indicating what appears to be

a footwear impression

right here. See that?

Turns out that that is a

footwear impression

from a pair of

Bruno Magli shoes.

At this point, the FBI had

identified the bloody footwear

impressions at the crime scene

as being from Bruno Maglis,

but we couldn't at that point

put Bruno Maglis

on Simpson's feet.

Dominic Brown is

Nicole's younger sister,

so I met her for lunch

and I said,

I've got six pictures

I want to show you.

They're all of shoes, she goes

right to the Bruno Maglis.

She says, O.J. has

shoes like that.

So I'm thinking this is

a little too good to be true.

So she says Nicole was

back in New York in January

and she may have bought

them for him at that time,

but I don't know for sure.

There she also bought some

Bruno Maglis for herself.

She wore 'em for a while

and just she didn't

really care for them,

so she gave them to me.

So really, in fact,

I'm wearing them.

She takes off for Bruno Maglis

and puts them on the table.

That's pretty good stuff.

Why would you not want to have

her testify to that in court?

And that never happened.

It turns out that

the Bruno Maglis at

the crime scene, were size 12.

His athletic shoes,

by his own admission

that he was wearing

were size 12 also.

If Simpson turns out,

if he's a size 10,

that's exculpatory evidence,

defense would use that.

And that's enough for a juror

to say, well,

it couldn't have been him,

this is different shoe size.

We've got nothing like that.

Wife beater, r*pist, m*rder*r.

[Reporter]

There is enough evidence

to put Simpson on trial.

About two or three days

after the murders occurred.

Defense attorneys at the time,

Bob Shapiro.

Is it not 60?

Is it 10,000?

[Tom] He came to our office

at robbery homicide in his style

requested, suggested

that he could perhaps help

our investigation along

as a defense attorney

if he would provide us with a

criminalist and a pathologist

to assist us with our

investigation of the body

as evidence, but that is brassy,

so I guess we can't

blame him for trying.

It didn't work that way.

Now, as we're sitting here doing

the crime scene investigation,

this pager continually went off

the entire night.

We find out coworkers at the

Mezzaluna Restaurant

was trying to get a hold of him,

that this was kind of eerie

listening to this. This is going

on throughout the whole night.

We're doing the whole crime

scene investigation,

but it turns out it was,

in fact, his friend.

They wanted to go out drinking.

[Rod] Look at the blood that's

on the small tree transfer.

He had to be up against that.

And then there's a little pool

of blood where he was

up against that so that when the

attacker went over to Nicole

to cut her throat, then he came

back to him and cut his throat.

And that's what evidence does.

It tells that he was

in this seated position

before being pulled over

and then his throat was cut.

[Tom] So he was going between

her and him.

- [Rod] Exactly.

- [Tom] More than once.

[Rod] You know why? Because he

want to make sure they're dead.

And the only way to do that

in this person,

- the attacker's mind.

- Yeah?

Here's the cap, again,

the Bruno Magli

footwear impression here.

Very important stuff.

And note, she's still bleeding

because the blood is running

over the top of the footprint.

She's nearly decapitated.

As we remove her body, you can

see her vertebra from the front.

If you look at Ron Goldman,

you have, you know, like

20 different sized stab wounds.

Ron fought hard, hard, hard.

Ron, he was just at the wrong

place at the wrong time.

The blood in here is everywhere.

Nicole, she was in the wrong

place for a long time.

[Tom] And that became a bone of

contention later on

when we were also accused of

planting the blood.

Yeah, which is something else.

But then you and later...

[Rod] But you had to have

knowledge on how to plant it.

Well, to make it fit.

[Tom] Not only that,

but Simpson's blood

w-we picked up at the scene.

He's back in Chicago,

so how did we get his blood

from Chicago to here?

[Rod] Yeah.

[Tom] Well, it didn't

make any sense.

I know, I know.

Listen to this.

So there's a city of

8 million people.

- Yeah?

- You have a Bronco,

that's a scene.

You have Bundy Street,

that's a scene.

And you have Rockingham.

That's a scene.

You got all three people's blood

at each one of those locations

in that two hour period.

And it's so simple.

It is so simple.

So everybody was taking shots

at everybody else.

Everybody pointing fingers

in every direction.

We were fighting, not just

involving in the case

and these attorneys,

but the media.

Rod Englert alluded to some of

this when his home was prowled,

there was a team for the defense

that was going

through people's trash.

Friends of mine at my church

were contacted secretly

because I was a youth leader.

People were interviewed about

my interaction with kids.

Yes, it did affect my life.

It was both my wife, my family.

Now, before Ron Goldman was

removed, you couldn't see

the keys because

they were concealed.

You can see the drag marks here

after the pull the body out.

Keys are interesting because he

was probably holding the keys.

The keys belong

to his girlfriend.

He drove her car

the night of the murders.

When these keys were picked up,

they were booked into evidence.

There was no blood in those keys

and they were booked

and they were consequently

released to the girlfriend.

She made a complaint when

she got the keys back

said, oh, there's blood all over

them, they were terrible

- and everything else.

- Right.

Well, somehow the defense

got a hold of this statement.

The defense said, well, perhaps

the real suspect

got the keys from Ron

and there was blood on them.

And that blood belongs to

perhaps the real suspect

using the keys as a weapon.

[Rod] There's no speculation,

there's no guesswork where

the donor has been identified

with those particular patterns.

It made it very, very solid.

[Tom] Because we have a mixture

of blood coming from

a common m*rder weapon

and his sole to this day,

the defense claims, well,

there's probably a second one.

There's no evidence

of a second one.

We looked for that evidence.

I looked for that evidence.

I examined every piece of that

sidewalk and then going

all the way back to the back,

about 200 feet to where

the Bronco was parked

in the alley.

And there's no evidence

whatsoever that there was

more than one individual.

[Tom] The evidence tells us

without any doubt,

because of the blood

and because of this,

- there's only one suspect.

- Right.

When we came, the blood is going

all the way down the walkway

and she just about bled out.

When we did the autopsy.

She didn't have a whole lot

of blood in her.

As far as my role

in the OJ Simpson case,

I was involved in

examining the Bronco.

[Tom] John Rogers,

remember John?

- Yes.

- [Tom] Good guy,

classmate of mine, he calls me

at about 3-3:15 in the morning,

Tom, the captain wants to buy

you a cup of coffee.

No, hello, how are you?

I'm sorry I woke you.

So we know we got

something going on.

So he tells me they have this

double O.J. Simpson's ex-wife,

I think he said,

may be involved,

but we don't know for sure.

They got all of Bundy

blocked off. He's on the steps.

The lower part of the steps,

four feet, ten inches away.

There's a second victim,

Ron Goldman.

When the sun came up,

we begin to find more blood.

This is Rockingham gate,

the blood tailed up the driveway

and right into the house. A

Bronco was parked out in front.

I had nothing against

O.J. Simpson, and I was shocked

that he was a suspect.

Here's the master bedroom.

These are O.J. socks he took off

when he returned

from the crime scene.

So the bathroom is

back over here.

What's interesting,

your guys went up there

and they checked the sink

and they check the shower stall

because Simpson had said that

he took a shower,

but in the sink

and the shower stall,

the bar soap

lying in the bottom,

what do we find?

- Blood.

- Blood. Traces of blood.

So we know he was in the shower.

Now you can see some of these

photos where you start to see

stains by the naked eye.

Smears of blood everywhere.

Began to believe it was really

O.J. Simpson and nobody else.

He has a knife.

She's nearly decapitated.

He is stabbed.

When the sun came up,

begin to find more blood.

In the sink

and the shower stall.

The bar soap lying in the bottom

what do we find?

- Blood.

- Blood.

This is what, 25 years later

that there was a second suspect.

They can't tell you why. They

say the cops planted evidence,

but they can't show us evidence

of the cops planting evidence.

They said the lab was

involved in this conspiracy,

but they can't show us

any evidence of that.

And I don't know if you can

imagine how many people

it would take to

pull together this conspiracy.

Basically, overnight,

the evidence in general

was found within 24 hours.

[Tom] The LAPD has a policy

that all searches,

after they're completed,

will be videotaped

to show that we have not

trashed it.

The defense gets the video

that we took.

We turned it over

to the defense.

Looking at the video, they say,

wait a minute,

where are the socks?

There's no socks here.

They must have been planted.

They're not in the video.

Unknowing to them, when the

video was actually made

after, not before, this is very

simply explained

where the video was taken after.

Today, people still say,

what about the socks thing?

There were a little over 1,000

crime scene photos

of the Bronco, of Rockingham,

of Bundy

and all turned over

to the defense.

This is August 27th.

So this is a

little over two months later

and they don't know

where the bodies were

at the crime scene?

No, they had no idea.

They thought the bodies were

by the front doors.

I said no, they're down here

near the front gate.

This is where Nicole was.

This is where Ron was over here.

And they're not taking any

notes, but there's plenty of

camera work going on

with the media.

You can see in

this picture right here,

my hair used to be red

and not white.

- Okay.

- But anyway,

we went in to examine the Bronco

for blood patterns.

To our surprise,

we found a lot more blood.

You can see some of these photos

that I have here

where you start to see stains

by the naked eye.

Smears of blood everywhere.

Began to believe it was really

O.J. Simpson and nobody else

when there was no other blood

found at the crime scene

except the victims

and O.J. Simpson's by th... where

he said he parked his car.

[Tom] When we take the doors

off, take the console out,

take the seats out,

take the back out,

strip everything out. We find a

lot of interesting stuff.

We were accused of finding all

this extra blood,

more of it as planting it.

It's another stab to the heart.

The jurors, that was another

story testifying.

And I look over and you try to

talk to the jury

and you try to speak

in lay terms

and they're taking notes and

kind of giggling to each other

and whispering,

I can't believe that Judge Ito

didn't put a stop to that, nor

did the prosecuting attorneys

say anything.

Everything was attacked.

That's their only defense.

They're going to

tell you it was lies.

They're going to tell you

it was a conspiracy.

We were very happy that

we found this amount of blood

because in those days,

analyzing DNA,

you needed a lot of blood.

We proved that it was

a combination of Ron Goldman,

Nicole Simpson and O.J. Simpson.

Evidence that was collected from

the Bronco is enormous.

Get any prosecutor in the

country that prosecutes cases,

would love to have

what's just in the Bronco.

[O.J.] Just tell them

I'm all sorry.

Y and tomorrow that I was sorry

and that I'm sorry that I did

this to the police department.

[Tom] Listen, I think you

should tell them yourself.

After the chase, we obviously

searched... searched the rear.

We searched the whole thing.

You gonna go to the house?

[O.J.] That's where I told you

we weren't... you know,

you just let them all know.

You let the police know,

you let them all know

I wasn't running.

[Tom]

I know you weren't running.

This was Simpson's mobile phone

that I spoke to him with.

[Rod] And that was during the

Bronco chase after the m*rder.

- The slow chase?

- Yeah.

- [Tom] You there?

- [O.J.] Just let me get to

- my house.

- Okay. We're going to do that.

[O.J.] I swear to you,

I'll give you what...

I'll give you me,

I'll give you my whole body.

[Tom] Just throw the g*n

out the window.

Let's look at this disguise kit,

of significance in this kit,

see, you got a little beard,

and a mustache here.

But what's significant

is May the 27th, 1994.

So this disguise kit was bought

two weeks before the murders.

Why would he have

a disguise kit?

This was found in the back seat.

- Premeditation. Premeditation.

- Yeah.

Later is in pursuit.

He's got a g*n.

Here's the g*n right here.

A revolver.

This becomes very important

to my conversations with him,

that isn't brought

into evidence.

Just have A.C. pull over

and just toss that g*n out

and everything will be okay.

It's gonna be better tomorrow.

- [O.J.] He's takin' me home.

- [Tom] I know he's

taking you home, but will you

please toss that g*n?

Here's a set of keys.

Ten days before the murders,

Nicole went to her mother

and she says, Mom,

I'm a little concerned

because I think O.J.,

when he was in the last time,

stole my keys.

- There they are. He was right.

- What were those keys to,

other than her door? Was it to...

[Tom] The gate

and the front door.

Why would he want to steal the

keys? Perhaps because he wanted

to go in there

at his own choosing.

There's actually two Broncos.

The first Bronco was given

to O.J. by Hertz.

He used the Bronco

the night of the murders.

His good friend, A.C. Cowlings,

also bought a 1994 white Bronco.

[Rod] O.J. was supposed to

turn himself in

at Parker Center downtown.

He never showed.

So this goes out

all over the news.

People are actually

running up to the car

- and banging on the windows.

- I saw that.

We jump ahead to the trial.

Where's all this stuff?

[Rod] None of this was used.

[Tom] No, this goes to

intent to flee, obviously,

that's the very least.

[Rod] Okay. What do we have?

We have two people m*rder*d.

We have three locations.

We have a Bronco.

We have Rockingham

and we have Bundy Street. Right?

And we know that there's

a lot of blood.

[Tom] There's a ton of blood

in this car.

[Rod] I wanted to do a little

demonstration for you

that I was planning on doing

for the jurors

and this is stage blood.

And what I'm going to do

is put some on my knuckle.

O.J. Simpson was bleeding,

- left middle finger.

- Yeah.

I could come up. Sure.

And open the door like this.

But then it would be awkward

because you got to

push the button. But then I go

in like that and I'm bleeding

and I pull it out.

I open the door.

Even TV viewers of that trial

never knew that there was

enormous amounts of blood,

that these these were patterns

that were identifiable.

Pretty hard to refute.

Here's a photo

taken at the time of

the crime scene investigation.

This is the door handle

on this one.

Here's the same door handle

here.

And notice where it's located.

It's not where

the thumb would be.

It's not where the

little finger would be.

And we have a person

bleeding from which finger?

The left middle finger.

And that's O.J. Simpson's blood.

They did not put Rod Englert

on the stand to testify

to the months and months

of work that he did.

As to every bit of blood

evidence in this case

that the jury, I'm sure,

regardless of how they thought

about cops or anything else,

I'm sure they wanted to hear it.

Nobody else did that

on either side.

This is at the very end

when O.J. Simpson gets out of

the vehicle and leaves after

parking it on Rockingham.

- You didn't see that at trial.

- Exactly.

Somebody needed to tell that

story because the story

is pretty hard to refute.

I've done something here that I

think that will help the viewers

to realize how much blood

is actually in this vehicle

and the size of the scenes.

So this is not the same vehicle.

That vehicle had leather seats.

They were beige.

This has seats that are cloth.

But I just want to take the

viewer through how much blood

and what the patterns were

inside of the vehicle.

Well, who was bleeding?

O.J. Simpson.

Where was he bleeding?

Left finger.

And this is a transfer

that appears to be something,

could be the knife laying right

under it is a long blond hair.

And you're supposed to

testify to that

and admit it in court,

never happened.

Smears of blood everywhere.

[Tom] Crime scene photos of the

bronco of Rockingham, of Bundy.

Let's look at this disguise kit.

A mustache here.

Here's the g*n right here.

This goes to intent to flee,

obviously.

Well, who was bleeding?

O.J. Simpson.

Where was he bleeding?

Left finger.

How it lines up with not only

opening the door on the outside,

but just opening the door

to get out on the inside.

It's only his blood. It's in

line with where he's bleeding.

And then when did

the crime occur?

Nighttime.

Well, what do you do on a car

when you get in it

to drive it at night,

you turn on the lights.

We actually Luminoled this

and this is on the light switch,

not only on the switch itself,

but below the switch.

And when the donor came back

as to whose blood this was,

it came back as human blood.

And it came back as the donor

being O.J. Simpson.

Now, that's a lot of blood,

but it even gets to be more.

On the steering wheel

at about 1:00, you will see

a faint transfer of blood there

down here at about 7:00.

Well, what hand do you

turn the lights on with?

You turn it on

with your left hand.

Sure, you can reach over

and turn it on with your right.

But in this particular case,

then you've got outside door,

inside door, light switch,

steering wheel. 1:00 and 7:00

is O.J. Simpson's blood.

Well, in getting in the vehicle,

we have a swipe

that goes from left,

the door side,

the driver's door side

to the right.

And that is

Nicole Simpson's blood.

See, there was never any theme.

There was never a story

that started at Bundy Street

and then went into a Bronco.

And that evidence then

transferred some of it

into a house and around a house.

I mean, there's a

ton of blood in here.

Why it was never

put into evidence.

You got blood here

that's visible,

anjd you got blood

that's not visible.

[Rod] Right, in trial,

only pieces were.

Well, this blood here

is this person.

[Tom] Sitting on the jury, I

want to know how, why.

[Rod] But there was never

any explanation of theme

that followed

from beginning to end

about these patterns,

what the patterns were,

what they mean,

what they came from.

We had two swipes of

Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

going from left to right

near the door sill,

as you can see here,

was also a swipe

of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood.

What is that consistent with?

That's consistent with

having blood on a hand

which we know he was bleeding

that swipes across or a sleeve

in both of these,

Nicole Simpson's blood.

[Tom] You know,

there is a story.

What we needed was

someone to tell it.

- [Rod] I was ready.

- [Tom] I know.

[Rod] If I were his defense

attorney, I'd be worried.

I would be really worried.

The evidence is overwhelming.

It's enormous. It's big.

This is a lot of blood.

These aren't little

specks of blood.

These aren't projected stains.

They are patterns,

large patterns of blood

to indicate that someone

is bleeding extensively.

On the console, it's as though

O.J. Simpson is reaching around.

And inside of that was a mixture

of Nicole Brown Simpson

and Ron Goldman's blood.

These are visible

to the naked eye.

Transfer stains from a hand

that is wet with blood.

[Tom] You look at

the DNA in this case

and the fact

there's nothing exculpatory,

never have too much evidence

in a m*rder case.

Like I have too much,

they'll never believe it.

Well, that was this case.

You had a ton of evidence

that was never brought.

[Rod] Just another transfer.

And this is a transfer

that appears to be something

that is it could be the knife.

You'll notice here, Tom.

Notice at the edge of it.

It's well-defined, laying right

under it in the seat

is a long, blond hair.

And remember I told you what I

picked off 39 hairs

from Goldman's shirt

after her throat had been cut.

Nicole's throat was cut. The

attacker went back to Goldman,

cut his throat,

and all those hairs came off

because there's close contact

and on to Goldman's shirt.

[Tom] Simpson never even knew

Ron Goldman.

So what would Ron Goldman's

blood be doing in Simpson's car?

Never could put

those two together.

In the seat, you have

Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

in the form of what appears

to be a knife transfer.

It's a very well-defined line

that's different than what

cloth would do

or a finger would do.

And then below that is

a long blond hair.

See the enormity

of that evidence?

And you're supposed to

testify to that

and admit it in court

and it never happened.

Any piece of evidence,

including the hair,

the strand of hair, was found by

one of the prosecution's

criminalists, Rod Englert.

In order to get that

into evidence,

something that the jury

can look at and consider,

it has to be admitted.

It was never admitted

because if it were admitted,

it would have been admitted

through Rod Englert.

That didn't happen.

And the only reason

that wouldn't have happened

is because the prosecution

wouldn't have wanted it,

well, why don't they want it?

Well, they didn't want a lot of

evidence submitted in this case.

That's why we're here today

doing this thing.

And this was one of them

because a cop

was delivering the evidence,

cops are on trial

as far as the jury is concerned.

And Rod is one of them.

Okay, Rod, why don't you to step

back a second.

I want to show you a little fun

fact here with it we found.

And he pulls the seat out

and there's a little

illumination bulb rolling

around underneath

- when you took the seat out.

- I remember that.

Plastic cover over the

illumination bulb was missing.

And so is the bulb, so I look

up, this bulb fits

at the top of the Bronco.

But I'm thinking back

to when I was a young cop,

the first thing we did

at nightwatch, we'd reach up

and we grab that bulb,

we'd pull it out.

Why would you remove the bulb?

For the same reason we did.

We didn't want...

He didn't want

to be illuminated.

This to me, again,

goes to intent.

It's very significant.

We never saw it in trial.

[Rod] Okay, Tom, now let's

talk about the socks.

[Tom] More accusations of cops

planting blood right.

[Rod] Tell me about that.

[Tom] Well, the socks Simpson's

house belonging to Simpson

- were recovered in his bedroom.

- Right.

Tom Lange picked them up

at the foot of the bed

and those socks

went into evidence.

[Tom] More accusations of

cops planting blood.

You get involved in this whole

thing as a blood expert,

blood spatter expert.

A shotgun blast was down

through the floor

that accounted for

the third shell.

Another third was here.

Here's your knife.

And then the person

rolls him over on his back.

We find on the socks that the

victim, Nicole Simpson's blood

is on these socks,

on O.J. socks in his bedroom.

We get accused of planting

that blood on those socks.

Ron and Nicole, you wouldn't

even know there's any victims

when all this B.S. starts.

They're talking about

everything else,

everything around the periphery

of this entire case

except the victims.

Nobody cares about that.

One of the defense attorneys,

Alan Dershowitz,

You would have voted to acquit.

And he says officer, he calls

him Officer Vannatter.

It was my late partner,

my late homicide partner

planted the victim's blood

on Simpson's socks

and he very demonstrably

puts his hands up

and says he's holding

the sock here

and there's a

vial of blood here.

And Vannatter poured the blood

on the sock.

Anything to throw doubt

within a case.

And this is a very,

very good example.

If this were true, number one,

why didn't we see this

during the trial?

And quite frankly,

waited until after

my partner died?

So we have the defense attorney

saying my partner poured blood,

planting it.

Their own investigator says

the lab planted it, well, they

can't get their lies straight.

Why wasn't this challenged

in rebuttal during the trial?

People can lie.

Look at me, Tom.

People can lie,

but the evidence never lies.

Blood was poured onto the socks

and the blood was planted

- on the socks by the cops.

- Well, that's ridiculous.

It's common sense.

If you pour it,

that's a different pattern

than projected stains.

The blood pattern on the socks

was projected stain,

impact into blood

that projected the blood out.

This random distribution of

large and small drops

that were on both socks.

Just like go in your kitchen,

get some water

and pour it on a cloth.

Everybody knows that's not

the same pattern.

And then you have to

turn it over.

You have to do it to this side.

It doesn't create

that type of pattern.

If I'm in the jury,

I want to know

how the blood got on the socks.

[ t

I'm uncertain.

Here you have transfer pattern,

transfer pattern on the toes

and then projective stains on

360 degrees round those socks.

We looked at these socks

together, remember?

I flew to DOJ. You met me there

at Department of Justice

in Sacramento. Now, they hadn't

been analyzed yet

and we counted

and looking with magnification,

we've counted 29 projected

stains right here,

meaning little dots, the same

that are on Ron Goldman's boots.

And then 19 on this particular

sock, another sock.

Now, we don't know which one

was left or worn left

or which one was right.

On the toe of both of the socks

and on the top of one of them

was a different type of stain.

It wasn't projected stains,

it was a transfer stain.

Now transfer means if

I've got blood on my hand,

give me your hand

and I transfer it to your jacket

and I hit some blood

and projects,

that creates a little

random distribution

of large and small drops.

Right?

Now, I want to

show you something.

I've got a cut, and I reach down

and I pull the sock down.

A neighbor told us that he saw

O.J. peeking in Nicole's window.

Coincidentally, the same type of

knit cap at the crime scene.

I believe that she was dating

guy, that his name was Keith.

The time that I think that

was who O.J. was spying on.

And we have a person bleeding

from which finger?

The left finger.

Inside of that was a mixture of

Nicole Brown Simpson

and Ron Goldman's blood.

We get accused of planning

that blood on those socks.

I've got a cut and I reach down

and I pull the sock down.

I've got blood on my hands.

We know he's bleeding

from the middle finger.

We know that

that blood is fresh.

And this is where

the transfer occurs

when I pull the socks down.

There is your transfer.

That is a pattern that's

different from the pattern

on both socks, 360 degrees

around the ankles,

but not where

my pants are covering

and not where my shoes

are being worn.

And then you pull it off.

You usually have to grab the toe

or it's consistent with grabbing

the toe on both of these socks.

O.J. Simpson's blood

on the toes.

O.J. Simpson's blood at the top.

And Nicole Brown Simpson,

360 degrees of projected stains

from what the demonstration is

fighting, stomping, projecting

stains, out to the side.

You cannot pour blood

onto these socks to create

those kind of patterns.

It's pretty powerful evidence.

Remember, this is interesting.

When we was there at the lab,

you call me five days later

and you said, go to a secure

phone and left my office.

So I went to a phone booth.

It was raining.

I'll never forget the words

that you told me,

you said, want to know whose

blood this is?

She said there's only five

people that know

and the two of us

are two of the five.

Nicole Brown Simpson blood

and Simpson's blood.

And then there was

another accusation

that the lab rehydrated

these little stains

to make it go through

to the other side,

meaning nobody

could be wearing them.

Do you know what that means?

That means there was

no foot in that sock.

Can you really think of this?

Just think that

someone with a Q-Tip

is going to rehydrate blood

and 29 times...

to make it go through the other

side that... that was,

that was not true. And that was

actually testified to in trial.

Tom, let me just show you

how ridiculous this is,

this false accusation,

the blood pouring that

allegedly has occurred

is when I pour blood into blood

and pour it on the socks.

You're not going to get

those individual stains.

It just isn't going to happen.

Look at that.

[Tom] It's solid.

[Rod] And it doesn't go around

to the other side.

This is a transfer.

Now, I've got blood on there

and that's a transfer.

And that's what we have

at the top that we couldn't see

with the naked eye.

- [Tom] Yeah.

- [Rod] Not only do we have

a transfer there,

but we have a transfer here

and we have a transfer here

on these socks.

And this tells a story.

It's that simple.

And so in going and meeting

with the criminalist,

the Department of Justice

and I contacted you later

as to what the results were.

And I've got a little video here

that he sent to us.

You remember this?

It's called an

infrared examination.

That is the camera that is able

to focus and be able to see

what the eye cannot see.

You can see the different

stains. They were there.

And I want you to see this.

This is the top of the sock.

[Tom] That is

O.J. Simpson's sock.

[Rod] That is O.J. Simpson's

socks found at

the foot of the bed

that you found.

This is a transfer stain

that we're looking at here.

And this is sock number 42A.

But now the criminalist is going

to go down this knee high sock

and you're going to start seeing

those projected stains.

And mind you, there's like 19 on

one and 29 on the other.

They start showing up and look

where they're showing up.

And look,

you're coming up to the heel.

[Tom] Yeah.

[Rod] And also on the sock

was O.J. Simpson

at the transfer stain,

the upper one.

And look at the stain.

These are projected stains.

And there's little ones.

There's big ones.

That's a random distribution

of large and small drops from

fighting.

Here we start to see with

infrared photography and video

projected stains that comes back

to the blood of who?

- [Tom] Nicole Simpson.

- [Rod] Because you're the one

who told me that when you had to

go to a phone booth

- and call you.

- These are the ones you counted.

[Rod] That's right.

So there's a lot of them

all around the socks.

- [Tom] 360 degrees.

- [Rod] 360 degrees.

And there's a photograph

of Ron Goldman's boots.

You know what's on

the side of his boots?

Same type of projected stains.

This is like a transfer stain

at the toe.

- And guess who's blood that was?

- [Tom] Simpson's.

[Rod] That's Simpson's blood.

At the top and at the toe.

And the same on the other

at the toe.

[Tom] You've got Simpson's

blood, the suspect on the toe

and at the top of the sock.

You indicated how that got

there. And in the center,

- you got projected blood.

- Exactly.

From the victim.

And juror number seven,

she never believed

he was guilty.

Is this before she heard the

evidence, apparently.

Thought that the physical

abuse side of the case

was, quote, belongs somewhere

down the hall in another court.

This was a m*rder trial.

The defense shows

without any doubt that

that's exactly what it was.

Yet she associated this

apparently with some kind of,

uh, uh, abuse to the victim.

Yeah, it was plenty of abuse,

but I guess it just didn't

sink in that way with her.

[911 operator]

Attention all units,

domestic violence at 30...

correction,

325 south crescent ring way,

advise, the suspect has now

entered...

[Nicole]

O.J., the kids are sleeping.

[911 operator] 4-2-2-1 are the

825, children involved.

[O.J.] You didn't give a sh*t

about the kids

when they were f*cking sitting

in the living room.

They were here.

You give my kids sh*t?

Oh, it's different now...

[Bill] My partner,

Detective Lange

enter interview room

in Parker Center.

Tand the time is 13:35 hours.

And we're here

with O.J. Simpson,

i

And what is your birthdate?

[O.J.] July 9, 1947.

[Tom] Okay, prior to us talking

to you as we agreed

with your attorney,

I'm gonna give you...

Is my hair okay? Is there.

Every time I meet someone and

they find out that I'm Kato,

the witness in the trial, they

all want to be a part of it.

They all have a story,

and it's like, why do you

want to be associated with that?

I don't want to be

associated with that.

But they are coming up with

these different theories.

You know, if I'm a detective.

I'm going, geez,

Tom, you take this call.

It's the psychic.

I'll never forget when

detective Vannatter said to me,

It's just there in my brain,

this is a two minute

Columbo episode

because we have

so much evidence.

And I was like, Oh, wow.

All of little pointed

in one direction.

[Reporter] Mark asked Kato if he

thought his new pal O.J.

could help his

struggling acting career.

I don't think we're going for

the same parts, right.

I'm going to L.A. to be an actor

and things are going okay.

And I was in a few commercials.

I was doing my things.

I kept going,

Hey, I could be Brad Pitt.

Oh, okay, maybe Armpit.

His brother.

- What's your name?

- Erin.

[Man] Any book deals or anything

happening for you?

Coloring book, maybe one day.

I'll do a coloring book.

We'll see.

Do you have a crayon?

You do. You do carry a crayon,

don't you?

I noticed that about you.

Everything has a blueprint

in your life,

and for whatever reason,

mine was to be a witness

in this trial.

In 1994, my friend

produced a movie.

Believe it or not, I had the

script three months earlier

to Dumb and Dumber, and that was

the film that I was tested for.

And later in life I got to meet

the Farrelly brothers

who directed that film.

And I'm going,

You guys got to hear this story.

[Tom] You were hanging around

O.J. for quite a while,

and you probably get opinions.

He was a wealthy guy. I wasn't.

So it was sort of like

he was tax bracket was Danish,

I was donuts.

So I converted that way.

He loved having people

make sure they knew it was him.

A neighbor told us that he saw

O.J. peeking in Nicole's window

and he was wearing

a dark colored knit cap.

Coincidentally, the same type

of knit cap at the crime scene.

[Kato] I Believe that

she was dating a guy,

that his name was Keith

at the time that I think

that was who O.J. was spying on.

[Tom] There's a lot of things in

this case that weren't brought

as evidence

that should have been brought.

Marcia Clark's doing her job.

The only thing was

I don't know why she called me

a hostile witness.

Basically what she's saying is

whatever Kato says,

it really means nothing.

Kato was Kato and Kato didn't

give up a lot during that trial.

Probably just

because of that fact,

you're not going to cooperate.

I wouldn't either.

I think he was as forthright

as he could be,

and there's no reason

for him not to be.

Everybody's says and even the

media says, you know,

then the cops get involved.

And the biggest problem they had

is they concentrated

on O.J. Simpson.

They never looked at

another person.

That's all B.S.

That's not true.

There's other people

that were suspects.

We actually have what we call

a clue file.

And among those were

512 of these things

that we investigated.

And among them

were about 50

potential suspects.

- [Kato] 150?

- [Tom] Fifty, 5-0

potential suspects.

We spent months on other

possible suspects in this case.

It's all documented.

It was all turned over.

Go down here to, oh, look at

this, 317, what does that say?

[Kato] Kato k*lled the Nicole

because she broke up with Kato.

Suggest putting Kato

on the lie detector.

Well, it's not me.

- You know what the good news is?

- What?

- You're a three.

- I'm a three.

That's a Category three,

that's always good to know.

On top of her head,

she also has a stab wound.

She has contusions.

There's another wound on her

that hasn't happened yet.

O.J. Simpson's blood

on the toes.

[Kato] His name was Keith.

That was who O.J. was spying on.

There's a lot of things in this

case that weren't brought

as evidence.

This was one of them.

Kato, suggest putting Kato

and the lie detector.

Well, it's not me.

They're interviewing over 50

suspects, 5-0, and to know

they collected so much evidence

that never was used,

- I'd be so pissed off.

- I told you we had this audio,

I wanna play that

for you in a bit.

But looking around here

at all these pictures,

what does that look like?

This picture right here?

That's the old Kato room

right there. It's clean.

It was 5:00 or so

in the morning,

there's a knock at my door,

and all I saw to the door

were four guys.

And I just let you in.

I'm in a daze at that time,

I'm always in a daze

but I'm in a daze

because of sleep.

Picture this though, really,

four guys at 5:00 a.m.

coming to your door

and you don't even ask

if they're really police

and you say, Come on in.

He said to me, he said,

What did you wear last night?

And I said,

Oh, it's on that chair.

Now, you have to understand,

I don't know what's going on.

Then I start thinking,

something happened to O.J.

is there plane crash?

Ten hours earlier?

Were you lying in bed?

Something happened.

I was on the phone.

I heard a noise,

and a picture moved,

and I said,

did we have an earthquake?

- To her on the phone?

- Yeah.

Sort of a...

like, what was that?

What's behind your bed wall,

on the outside?

There's an air conditioner.

And that's about it.

Does that look like the air

conditioning unit behind you?

Yeah. Someone said, you hear

anything unusual last night?

I said, I don't know if

this is an important thing,

but my picture moved.

But it might not be anything.

It happened behind this wall.

[Tom] Yeah, that was

kind of important

because right down here

was the glove, right?

- So it kind of was important.

- Yeah, it was important.

[Kato] Everybody remembers

the bloody glove, everybody.

[Tom] And so I get back to this

audio I was telling you about.

I want to get a feeling for what

you think about his responses.

This isn't interrogation.

If the cops are going to

interrogate somebody,

they usually confront them.

You don't do that with someone

like this, who's a sociopath.

Number two, probably

kick your a*s anyway.

The audio for Kato was the

interview that Bill Vannatter

and I did with Simpson.

And this is about 14 hours after

the murders occurred.

At this point, Simpson is

not a suspect.

He's a potential suspect.

We still want to know

his side of things.

What's going on?

What did you do last night?

I know you just

got in from Chicago.

We had these terrible murders.

I want to see what

he's got to say about that.

[Tom] We're investigating,

obviously, the death

of your ex-wife and another man.

Someone told us that.

How did you get the injury

on your hands?

[O.J.] I don't know.

N I was in Chicago, I know.

But at the house, I was just

running around and I...

[Tom] How'd you do it?

[O.J.] I broke a glass.

I just was...

you had, one of you guys had

just call me

and I was in the bathroom

and I was in the bathroom

a

for a little bit.

And it was a normal dance,

humbling, bumbling around.

Well, you know, I cut it

back in Chicago on a glass,

on a drinking glass.

I cut my fingers all the time.

You know, I'm playing golf,

I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

So we're getting two or three

different scenarios.

[Tom] If you recall,

bleeding at all

in the truck, in the Bronco?

[O.J.] I recall bleeding

at my house.

And then I went to the...

went to the Bronco.

The last thing I did

The last thing I did

b

was I went and got my phone

out of the Bronco.

[Tom] Do you recall

bleeding at all?

Yeah. I mean, I knew I was

bleeding. It was no big deal.

I bleed all the time, I mean,

I bleed all the time, I mean,

I

There's always some knicks

and stuff.

But if you cut it in Chicago,

you stick with it,

you don't say, Well, I might

have cut it over here.

I might have done this

and I'm cut... and like,

it's no big thing. Let's forget

about it and move on.

That's what he wanted.

Most important evidence now

is blood. Blood evidence.

[Bill] You haven't had any

problems with her lately,

have you?

[O.J.] I always have problems

with her, you know,

I guess our relationship

has been a problem relationship.

[Bill] O.J., well,

that's sort of a problem.

We've got some blood on

and in your car.

Y

And sort of a problem with it.

[O.J.] Well,

we'll take my blood test.

[Tom] Well,

we'd like to do that.

We've got to, of course,

the cut on your finger

that you don't...

not real clear on.

Bleeding with the middle left

finger left side of his body.

So right away

the wheels start spinning.

I want to find out

about that finger.

So I'm building this rapport

and it worked.

He didn't invoke,

as a consequence,

we ended up him cooperating and

letting us look at his finger.

Do you recall having that cut

on your finger the last time

you were at Nicole's house?

[O.J.] A week ago?

No, no.

- [Tom] So it's been since...

- [O.J.] Yeah, right.

Since last night.

So intense and now he's like,

oh I got to cut.

I don't, I don't know

the cut, where I got it.

He's thinking now

what can he say?

I think you're right.

I think you're right.

O.J., you're bleeding.

We'll maybe have somebody

take a look at that,

put a Band-Aid on it, and he

said, Oh, no, that's fine,

everything's okay.

The back of my mind,

I'm thinking evidence. Meanwhile

he gives us three really sketchy

responses about how

he cut his finger.

[Bill] What do you think

happened?

[O.J.] I had no idea, man.

You guys haven't

told me anything.

I have no idea what happened

when you said to my daughter,

said something to me today

that somebody else

might have been involved.

might have been involved.

I

w why or what?

You guys haven't

told me anything.

Every time I asked you guys,

are you going to tell me?

[Tom] Well, we don't we don't

know a lot of the answers

to those questions yet ourself

O.J., okay?

[Bill] Did you ever hit her

O.J.?

[O.J.] Uh... That one night,

we had a fight that night.

That night we had a fight.

She hit me, you know.

And as I said,

they never took my statement.

T They never want to hear

the housekeeper's side.

Nicole was drunk.

She did her thing.

She did her thing.

S

She hit me.

I, I, I got to tell you,

just listen to this.

It's sort of...

she's dead, right?

Let's what else we got here.

[O.J.] I didn't punch her or

anything, but I, I, you know...

[Bill]

Slapped her a couple times.

[O.J.] No, no, I wrastled her

is what I did.

I haven't slapped her at all.

Nicole's a strong girl.

She's a [scoffs] one of

the most conditioned women

since that period of time.

She's hit me a few times,

but I've never touched her

after that.

[Tom] Did Mr. Weissman, your

your lawyer, your attorney

talk to you anything

about this polygraph?

About us performing one?

But what are your thoughts on

that?

[O.J.] Should I talk about my

thoughts on that?

You know, I mean, I'm sure

eventually I'll do it.

But it's like I got some

weird thoughts now.

[Tom] The reason we're

talking to you is you're,

you're the ex-husband.

[O.J.] I know I'm

the number one target.

And now you're telling me

And now you're telling me

I

[Tom] Well, there's blood at

your house in the driveway

and that footstep,

we got a search warrant.

W

[Bill] Is that your blood?

This drip there.

[O.J.] If this is what I dripped

running around trying to leave.

- [Tom] Last night?

- [O.J.] Yeah and I wasn't aware

that it... I was aware that

I you know, I was trying to

get out of the house. I didn't

pay any attention to it.

I mean, you've got to be,

like just pissed off.

Why aren't they using

this stuff that we found?

It was never put on as evidence

and it should have been.

Could have sent you or me to

prison for the rest of our life.

[Kato] I can tell you one thing

I keep close to my heart

is to know where I came from

and all that and I still have

my house guest key and yeah...

Much of autopsy photos trying to

determine what happened.

Now, again, the blood tells the

story, but the wounds

also tell the story.

Well, one thing,

the body is evidence

and then the clothing that the

person wears is evidence.

And one other thing that

people don't regard a lot

is the lack of blood in certain

areas is also evidence.

She goes down because of these

four stab wounds, that here,

that penetrate her heart and it

had to be a long bladed knife

to go that deep.

On top of her head,

she also has a stab wound.

She has contusions.

This would put somebody down

very quickly.

There's another wound on her

that hasn't happened yet

because Ron Goldman walks up.

He is stabbed multiple, multiple

times. He's in a fight.

Look at all the

defensive wounds on him.

He is struggling

with everything within him.

There's a total of 29 stabbing

wounds, cuts, defensive wounds.

And this happened, as we know,

in seconds.

There's what's called

a swallowtail,

if you will look at this,

you'll see that the knife is in

its down deep in his neck.

Now this is a long bladed knife.

Here's what's significant.

This swallowtail means that the

knife cut at this plane

and then the knife shifted

and cut at this plane.

Do you know why it shifted?

It's because he's moving.

He's got a knife in his neck

and he is struggling

and he is still up.

Now, one thing that tells me

that he was up

a significant amount of time

is the wounds to his body

bled as he is standing.

If you go shift over to the

picture of his pants

that are over here on the wall,

it's down both sides,

this doesn't happen when you're

laying in on the ground

in the position that he's in.

Look at all the way down

on the right side.

- Sure.

- Huge amount of blood.

But it takes a little time

to soak, and to run.

So he's fighting.

This kid is fighting

with everything within him.

Even with the wounds,

he's not going to go down

because he's trying to save

that person's life

that's laying there, that he's

delivering the glasses to,

that's laying down on that step.

[Tom] And you can tell

by the lack of blood,

- they're perimortem wounds.

- [Rod] Exactly.

She has abrasions from

consistent with going down

against that tree.

So he's in a fight.

So now he's down

and he's seated on his buttocks.

He has his back

up against the fence,

the attacker could have left

the scene at that time.

But that's when

the attacker goes over

and we've already looked at

the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

but the one that is going to

ensure that she's going to die.

[Allan] You know,

made the second call at 10:44.

He made the third call.

I think we're up to about 10:46

at about that time.

That's when I see a dark figure

come across the driveway here.

I heard a noise,

a picture moved.

Sort of a...

like, what was that?

[O.J.] I know I'm

the number one target.

You've got to be, like,

just pissed off.

[O.J.] I knew I was bleeding,

but it was no big deal.

I bleed all the time.

[Tom] The blood tells the story,

but the wounds also

tell a story.

[Rod] And we've already looked

at the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

but the one that is going to

ensure that she's going to die.

That's right here.

This is cut all the way

back to the vertebrae.

But the attacker

didn't stop there.

Turns and goes back to

Ron Goldman,

which is just a step

and pulls him over.

That's when you saw

his shirt way up.

Sure, these are grab marks

on the shirt.

- [Tom] Goldman's shirt.

- [Rod] That's what they...

that's a pattern.

That's another pattern.

And grabs him and then goes from

his right to his left

with the same knife

cutting his throat.

And that's insurance

that both of them are dead.

Got everything but

a serial number.

I mean, with all of these

wounds, people will say, well,

there's two different knives

and all that is

is an intersecting wound.

[Rod] Just imagine Nicole was

probably playing with her Akita.

- Yeah.

- The door rings or something,

and she goes out,

life is over in seconds.

- My gosh.

- You know you're going to die.

You don't see it. If I could...

You know you're going to die.

This is nine months

after the trial,

jurors are appearing on things

like Larry King,

juror number three,

female, white, age 60.

She states she feels

he was guilty,

but the evidence wasn't there

and I've got, huh?

With a big question mark, I

don't care if he was guilty

or not guilty, you didn't look

at the evidence.

But there was other things

in this, too,

that was very important

that need to be brought out.

And one of them was a photograph

of Nicole in a little negligee,

a black negligee

that she was wearing.

There was a pattern

on that negligee

right under her right arm

on her back.

And it appeared to be

a footprint.

And it was very well defined,

but a good picture

wasn't taken of it.

[Tom] You circled something

here. What did you circle?

[Rod] I did. When I looked at

this clothing.

This was a footprint type

impression in like mud and blood

on her back.

There was a lot of flaky blood

there. Doesn't show it here.

Now, what does that mean?

That means that blood

had to be on the ground

before this was applied, right?

- Yeah.

- And so this is a

stomp impression before he left,

which includes that...

there's that rage

and it's right here

on her back

underneath the clothing.

Looks like a shoe impression,

which is bruising,

which means her heart

is still beating.

- Right.

- So she had a little bit of life

left in her in those

few seconds that it took

this thing to occur and here you

have that pattern.

That's not lividity. So that is

a last final, you know...

He's thinking.

I don't want to say it.

- You testify to that?

- That's a medical examiner's.

- And we had it.

- Who found it?

- Well, I found it.

- Yeah. You're supposed to share

- with the prosecutor, right?

- Right. Well, we did.

I know you did. We've shared a

lot with the prosecutor.

- We just didn't see it in trial.

- Right. Right.

You have to look at every piece

of evidence, every piece,

looking at everything

in order to reconstruct.

In Ron Goldman's shirt

had two patterns

on the back of the shirt

and they were grab patterns.

[Tom] This is Ron Goldman's

shirt.

[Rod] Okay. This is very

interesting.

This is something that

wasn't used in the trial.

But these are hand transfers.

And I looked at that,

took pictures of that

and actually picked hairs

off of the front of that jacket.

This is consistent with a

grabbing of the material

and in the struggle

or pulling him over to his side

when he's up against the fence.

And that's why you see what

looks like fingers

in the voids in between, because

the blood can't get there.

And you have sort of a twisting

action that is here

in both of these. If I grabbed

you with the bloody hand,

I'm going to grab you

when it's released

and goes to the lab.

The laboratory will

lay it out flat

and then you will see voids,

blood can't get down in there.

And that's why you see

what looks like fingers

in the voids in between because

the blood can't get there.

And you have a sort of a

twisting action that is here

- in both of these.

- Same time you showed the DA

- the pictures?

- Yes. And explained

what the grab marks were.

Yeah. It's not a stab and run.

This is going to tell us what

happened during the struggle.

So the jury sitting there,

they don't know about this.

Man to man, right?

Ron Goldman had no stab wounds

in his back.

They were at the side

and there were five defects

in the back of the shirt, but he

had no stab wounds in his back.

What does that mean? It's

consistent with the struggle.

Struggle around while the

jacket, the shirt is being held

tightly, and then it's twisted

in such a way

that when he's stabbed, he's

actually stabbing into his side.

That's just indicative

of a struggle.

There were superficial wounds

on his neck.

These are just simply wounds

where the attacker

couldn't get the knife in

trying to cut the throat.

What came between

were these appendages the hands,

the gloves on the hand

in this fight, this is going on.

- Yeah.

- And there's a there's has to be

an arm around the neck

of Ron Goldman because

the glove comes off.

I mean, he's not going to

turn around, say,

hey, stop fighting.

I'ma take off the glove.

You just don't do that.

This is a struggle.

[Tom] Recovered a bunch of

gloves from Simpson's house

per the search warrant

and I was told to go in

and in court, open court

out of the presence of the jury,

prosecutors here,

defense lawyers here,

investigators behind them

and I'm just kind of

looking over the top and they

don't want me to be looking.

And I said, wait a minute.

I've been instructed to watch

what he's doing when

he puts the gloves on,

[Man] You think O.J. had a bag

with the bloody clothes

because every time he put

a new pair of gloves on,

he's under the counsel table

like this, putting them on,

well, they were

slipping right on.

These are from my house?

Simpson is asking me.

These are from my house?

No, no, no talking. No talking.

They shut me up real quick.

[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the

right to remain silent.

This again, was out of the

presence of the jury.

But again, they're just trying

to cover this stuff up.

You got to keep it simple.

Be able to explain it.

Don't talk over anybody

at a level

that they don't understand.

I'm not the best artist

in the world.

You know, this is

Nicole Simpson's wounds.

She had seven stab wounds

to neck and the scalp.

I describe the severed wound

on her neck.

There's not one thing

that's not explainable.

[Tom] Somebody made a quote

about it sounds like

we screwed everything up.

I said, you know,

we screwed this case up

at every level

and everything still comes back

pointing at Simpson,

there was nothing exculpatory

in this case

that was substantive nature.

And by that, I mean

there's nothing anybody could

point to that says,

well, maybe he didn't do it,

which is very rare

in any m*rder case.

Would you use these

testifying in court?

[Rod] Oh, I'd have them

in front of me.

[Tom] That's why you did this.

And I would provide the defense

a copy of these.

- That's what you did.

- I don't hide these.

They never ask for my numbers.

10-11-1994, a few months after

it happened on June 12th.

- For the trial.

- And here we have the autopsy,

the transection of the neck,

the left jugular.

That gives me where the wound

started, you know,

from his right to his left,

because it comes deeper,

starts shallower, and then we

have multiple stab wounds

to the chest and the abdomen

and the thigh.

That's why you have all the

bleeding that we have

on his pants and numerous

bruises, abrasions, cuts,

stab wounds, the left jugular.

You know where my reports

had to go?

Did you... are you aware

that I was not allowed

to send my reports

to who I worked for

and was hired by

and retained by the prosecution?

I was ordered to send everything

everything to Judge Ito.

So I think the ball

is in your court to justify.

That's the strangest thing

I've ever had happened.

Who ordered you to send

everything to judge Ito?

Judge Ito did.

You didn't know that, did you?

No, I didn't know that.

The National Enquirer was

setting up some kind of

a command post in Simi Valley

to do some background on me.

Sunday, March 12th. I got one of

my daughters, 11 years old,

and I'm taking her

to Sunday school.

Back around this time,

they still had phone booths

and there was a phone booth

outside the service station.

And I look over

and I do a double take.

If it wasn't Carl Douglas,

the defense attorney,

then he's got

a double somewhere.

I live in Simi Valley and

everybody knows that's where

the Rodney King trial occurred.

So people who are racists,

and who are dirty cops,

who plant evidence,

they must live in Simi Valley.

Three times, while I was on the

stand, Cochran asked me

about Simi Valley,

to tie me into that.

So I look at this

and I'm thinking, Well, yeah,

they tried to push this thing.

This is not a r*cist valley.

In a high profile case,

especially one that's televised,

to 55 million people a day.

The court wants to maintain

some type of control,

I would think.

Not true necessarily

in this case.

Stop this cover up.

If you have the defense

going to the media

two or three times a day

during trial,

going after witnesses, the court

should have instructed

all the attorneys, cops,

anybody else involved

that they should not talk to

anybody about any evidence

at any time in this case

until the case is concluded.

Nobody got gagged,

except two people.

Me and my partner.

And the defense loved it

when we got gagged

and they weren't.

[Rod] Looking at

this photograph here,

that bring back any memories.

[Allan] Yeah it does

and you know, not good ones.

I'm Allan Park,

O.J. Simpson's limousine driver,

the unknown that became the

known more than I ever wanted.

The time I left?

11:15.

You wouldn't lie to me when I

talk to you, would you?

No.

It was for a 10:45

pickup that night.

No activity in the house

or on the property or anything.

I sat there for a little bit,

smoked a cigarette.

I saw that there was a um,

an intercom system right there

with a telephone.

Rang, rang, rang, rang, rang.

No answer, no answer.

Started to ring

on the intercom again.

Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring.

No answer, no answer.

When I made the first call,

you know you're talking,

you know, 10:43 you know,

I made the second call 10:44.

Made the third call.

I think we're up to about 10:46

at about that time.

That's when I see a dark figure

come across the driveway here

and there you see the paw print,

just like we have

in the photograph that's here.

Same pattern was projected

onto her back.

- Yeah.

- In that photograph.

You just don't speculate and

throw ideas out there

to the jury and say,

because I said so.

That doesn't cut it.

The one that is going to ensure

that she's going to die.

It's right here.

And numerous bruises, abrasions,

cuts, stab wounds.

I was ordered to send everything

to Judge Ito.

It's the strangest thing.

That's when I see dark figure

come across the driveway.

I'm here at the gate looking

straight in.

I could see him

from about this area here,

is when he comes into view.

- It was a quick walk.

- Quick walk.

It wasn't a run,

pick up the intercom again

and start to ring.

It rang a few times

before he finally picked up

and he said, you know,

Hey, hey, man, sorry

I overslept.

I just got outta the shower

and I'll be down in a minute.

I'm expecting him to

open up the gate.

He never buzzed me in,

the gate never opened.

And Allan said that he

felt something strange.

It didn't fit. You know, he's

here to pick someone up,

take 'em to the airport,

something he didn't understand.

And it's not too long

after I hang up the intercom,

I see another person come out

from this walkway out here

up to the driveway.

We all know now it was Kato.

Opens up the gate

and lets me in.

Kato's right up on me and he's

like, hey man, hey, hey,

did you feel an earthquake?

[Reporter] Kato had not seen

O.J. for more than an hour

since their return

from McDonald's at 9:35.

[Attorney] Did he seem real

excited to have you come?

[Judge] Sustained.

Wouldn't you?

[Allan] Meanwhile OJ still

hasn't come out of the house.

At one point Kato tells me that,

he goes, well, I was talking

to a girlfriend of mine

on the phone.

I heard some thumps on the wall

and the picture moved.

And that's about when OJ

came out of the house.

[Tom] The word is it occurred

about 10:35 give or take.

We had this witness

hearing this commotion.

[Allan] When OJ came over to the

car, he was uh, I don't know.

A little bit aggitated.

He seemed to be sweating.

[Tom] It was warm that night

then, you're saying?

[Allan] It was June 12,

11:00 at night.

I was wearing a suit

and I wasn't hot.

[Tom] Was he actually sweating?

I'm not the sweat expert.

It's almost laughable.

The defense had to do something.

They had their

reputations on the line.

The world is watching them, too.

What are they gonna do?

Are they gonna roll over

and say, yeah, he did it.

That he didn't mean to?

No, they're gonna

attack everything.

[Allan] As we're standing there,

he overhears Kato asking about

an earthquake again.

And that's when O.J. asked.

He goes, oh,

we had an earthquake?

It's like, no man,

we didn't have an earthquake.

Dude, come on.

Kato is generally, he's scared

about something back there.

I can tell.

He's really aggitated.

And he really wants to go

back there and check it out.

[Tom] Back where?

[Allan] To go see where these,

the sounds were on his wall.

O.J. asked him about, you know,

we had an earthquake.

I said, no,

we didn't have any earthquake.

I hear O.J. clearly say, all

right, we'll go check it out.

And he points to Kato

to go around here.

He says he's gonna go that way.

O.J. follows right behind him.

And I'm like,

that's kind of weird.

He just said he was gonna

go the other way.

O.J. turns around and as he sees

that I'm following him,

he's all, we gotta go.

We gotta get out of here.

You know, we're runnin' late.

Kato offered to go get this

little, black bag that was

behind the uh, the black car

that, that was there,

with the trunk opened.

Simpson abruptly stopped him.

Said, no, no. I'll get that bag.

Went himself and grabbed this

half-bone shaped travel bag.

We've never seen that bag,

what was in it.

No, I thought it was

a little bit strange.

When he left American Airlines,

the last thing he remembers

seeing is O.J. standing right

next to the trash container

at the left of the entrance.

And on top of that trash

container is that half

bone-shaped travel bag

that the other witness

identifies as being on

top of the container.

Says, yeah, I also saw

him shove something down

in the trash container.

Prior to the

preliminary hearing,

he's interviewed by Marcia,

the prosecutor.

And he tells her this.

This is the last thing I saw.

That should have been used.

Again, to this day,

people say, where is the knife?

Where is the shoes?

Where is the clothing?

Well, what did he stick

in that trash container?

Tell me in your own words what

you think of this whole mess.

I'm nervous.

I know that I'm going on TV

in front of the world, you know,

and here my attorney mom is

like, oh, isn't this exciting,

you know?

I'm like, no, mom.

I'm gonna freakin' puke here.

[Tom] Like two days

after this occurs,

you get a phone call

from a couple of guys

who say they're lawyers,

Bob and Skip.

[Allan] The defense.

They were the first ones

- to get ahold of me, yes.

- [Tom] Anybody? Simpson?

They said that

they were attorneys

and that they were

representing Mr. Simpson.

[Tom] Well, when they interview

you, nobody ever advised you

that it was being tape recorded.

It was ill*gal,

but they continued on.

This is what you call

a fishing expedition.

[Allan] It was like Patty Jo

or something that's in charge

of the witnesses.

And she says, well,

Marcia's coming back up here.

She wants to talk to you.

Brought a tape recording

that the defense did with me.

We listened to the tape all

the way through and then you

can hear me hang-up

and the tape's still rolling.

And the first thing we hear them

say is, well, that's funny.

That's not what

O.J.'s telling us.

I mean, we looked

at all each other,

Marcia, I and our

jaws just dropped.

And the next thing he says,

are you usually sweaty when

you get out of the shower?

Bob Shapiro, the defense

attorney was involved.

He was called by his nickname

was BS, Bob Shapiro.

Why don't we jump to the trial?

Johnny Cochran has you on cross.

They really hammered me

on the bags.

You know, they brought in the

Louis Vuitton garment bag.

They seemed to have those bags.

[Reporter] O.J.'s lawyers tried

to claim the vanished valise

was really this one.

They started asking me firstly

is that, is this the bag?

I said, no, that's not the bag.

When they said, the bag,

what the bag is he talking to?

The bag that was on the trash

can, trying to tell me that,

that's it and they said,

and I even told them.

I said, look and that bag's

never been used.

It's brand new,

still folded and crushed.

It looks like it just

came out of a package.

I mean, I can't believe I didn't

even see a price tag on it.

Judge Ito is listening to this,

but he's doing something.

He's not really

paying attention.

I don't know what they were

trying to do with the bag thing.

Get you to roll over on it

and say, yeah, that was it.

- I never did.

- Case closed.

Yeah, never did.

[Tom] I got this shot from

Bundy looking westwards,

towards Nicole.

We look at this.

There she also bought some

Bruno Maglis for herself.

We see all this blood flowing

down towards the street.

But in the middle here,

there's a lot of prints, okay?

The defense, one of the defense

experts came out and said

She takes off for Bruno Maglis

and puts them on the table.

When talking about the crime

scene, one of the problems

to the LAPD cops who were

at the crime scene,

they walked through

a lot of blood,

left their footwear impressions

all over the place.

[Rod] Nicole's dog got out

and that was the

Akita dog named Kato.

All this is he's running up

and down in the blood

creating transfers

from paw prints.

The dog is frantic.

But there's dozens of them.

They're all over.

Yeah, the dog even goes

and puts his paws up above her,

the step, bloody paw prints

and doesn't go any further,

and drew the feet back.

There you can see

the paw prints.

He drew it back.

And it's spattered blood.

And then leaves,

goes up and down the sidewalk.

There is so much evidence

in this case.

Multiple paw prints,

bloody paw prints of the dog,

Nicole's dog running up

and down traumatized

as to what's going on.

Those are not footprints

from a human being.

[Tom] If I was just

looking at it objectively,

this needs an explanation.

That's a dog paw

going across here.

If I'm gonna look at this crime

scene and see anything,

and I'm of the jury

or anyone else,

I want to find out

what happened.

[Rod] So you experiment.

And I made a video.

And we're doing this last

experiment on concrete

to simulate the conditions of

concrete with the state

of the home with a

simulated body in the scene.

And we're gonna have the dog run

up close to create patterns

on the back of the subject to

see if those patterns match

the one in the scene, if

they're from a different source

or if they could be from the

source we're gonna create here.

[Rod] Look at the blood that's

on the small tree transfer.

So we'll pour the stage blood.

[Rod] And this is

a canine deputy.

There you go.

It's animal blood.

Gets the dog excited.

And the dog will run around

leaving paw prints.

And I pour some more blood there

to see if we can replicate.

And the dog, there you see

the paw prints just like

that we have in the

photograph that's here.

- Yeah.

- And...

And then the same pattern was

projected onto her back

as we have here

in that photograph.

You just don't speculate

and throw ideas out there

to the jury and say

because I said so.

That doesn't cut it.

They had a bunch of kids out

front during the trial

selling t-shirts, free O.J..

I asked this one kid.

Nice kids, actually.

We talked to them a little bit.

We had kind of a back and forth

with these kids.

Because they did

have a sense of humor.

I'd asked them, you know,

how do sales go

in something like this?

And this kid looked me right

in the eye and he said,

the longer you have

him in there,

the more money I make out here.

So keep going type of thing.

So we went inside.

We got stopped halfway in there.

I think it was CNN,

a young reporter, a young woman.

And she asked, who are those

fellas you were talking to?

I said, well, I'm not supposed

to tell anybody,

but these are these four kids.

They're witnesses.

And we're trying to get into

court, so nobody sees them.

Just screwing with them.

And they come on and they report

these four mysterious witnesses

that the prosecutors are trying

to sneak into the court.

Now it's the big

story of the morning.

[Tom] I'm gonna say

that the major controversy

in this whole case was

blood on the rear gate.

Do you remember

hearing that phrase?

[Rod] Yeah.

I didn't get involved in that

issue, but I do know about it.

That's why it's good to have

an objective opinion now

on something that I'm

about to show you here.

[Reporter] Defense attorney,

Barry Sheck illicits testimony

to support his theory

that O.J. Simpson was framed.

We had criminalists

at the scene,

you had blood everywhere.

Three weeks later,

we go on a walk through

and we come to the rear gate,

the infamous rear gate.

One of the district attorneys

looks down at the lower rung.

And he sees what

appears to be blood.

This is three weeks later.

And he looks at it.

And he says, well,

we better take that.

They collect the sample.

It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

So the big question

from the defense,

well, why didn't you get

this the first time?

It must've been planted,

so of course the media runs

with that and everybody

else runs with it.

Blood on the rear gate.

The Simpson jury never got

an explanation for anything.

This is in seconds,

in 12 seconds

is an explanation that

could take some people a month.

And you did it in 12 seconds.

Why in the hell

they never saw this.

I don't know the answer to that.

[Rod] The door rings or

something and she goes out.

Life is over in seconds.

You know you're gonna die.

We hear them say, that's not

what O.J.'s telling us.

[Tom] The infamous rear gate.

It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

Well, why didn't you get this

the first time?

It must've been planted,

so of course the media runs

with that and everybody

else runs with it.

Blood on the rear gate.

Well, in this one here, I call

my bible, my Simpson bible.

It's about details

with all of the nonsense

and all of the bureaucracy.

So I put the realities

in there with perceptions.

Neglected evidence.

There were 512 additional

so-called clues.

So I've got a couple of photos

taken on the day of the

crime scene investigation.

This is the rear gate.

I don't know how

good your sight is,

but if you want to

get a magnifying glass.

Oh, I can see what

you're talking about.

Can you see something down here?

See a little blood drop?

Three weeks later we had

this photograph here.

Same location, same

configuration, same blood.

I'm 100% that's the blood drop.

Drops of blood that are

a certain distance apart.

You can see the

measurement here.

And that still exists

in this photograph.

So I wanted them to rebut the

planted blood on the rear gate.

They wouldn't do it.

The bottom line is the

prosecution did not put this on.

It's very strong when you get

accused of planting blood

and you're the investigating

officer in a double m*rder case.

Someone's gotta say something.

Someone's gotta get pissed off.

It's as simple as that.

[Rod] It's a pattern.

In other words you have

two drops that are distant,

the same measurement apart.

Somebody dropped the ball.

Why wasn't this found

originally?

They did have the criminalist

testify. That's why he was...

Attention was diverted.

It was a mistake

that he didn't collect it.

That's too bad, but if somebody

turned this around

and made it sound like cops

planted this evidence.

We just proved that they didn't.

Why wouldn't they want a

jury to look at these two?

The defense has a motion.

Have you ever heard

the term, coverup?

[Tom] To get hair

samples from myself.

The coverup continues.

[Tom] I don't have

all that much.

I think the standard

was 40 follicles.

Maybe they'll find me

in contempt or something.

Cause I don't even

have that many.

He wants some hair samples

from us because if hair becomes

an issue in the case, it could

be that cops had left it there.

For what? I don't know.

Just a dirty cop.

They actually pushed it.

They said we would like blood

samples from these cops.

Well, there's only three bloods

here of any interest.

The two victims

and the suspect, Simpson.

And that's the defense.

And they get away

with this crap.

If you gag everybody involved,

prevent them from going to the

media three to four times a day,

and putting their own spin on

evidence and cops are dirty.

Cops are lying.

Cops are planting evidence.

We can't respond to that.

We're gagged.

We're investigating this.

If we're dirty,

the case against him is lost.

[Nicole] He drove up again.

Can you send somebody over?

[Operator] Wait a minute.

What kind of car is he in?

[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.

First of all,

he broke the back door down.

But they can't show us

any evidence of that.

[Rod] Before the speculation

that occurred out there

among the public and experts

that one of them said

that this fight between

whoever the attacker was

and Nicole Brown Simpson

lasted at least 15 minutes.

- 15 minutes is a long time.

- Oh, yeah.

When the public

was thrown astray,

it messed up the timeline

because O.J. Simpson, a suspect

was already at the airport when

this fight is still going on,

alledgely type thing.

Well, let me show you something.

Took two homicide detectives,

put them in white,

used a retracted-bladed knife.

And the instructions were,

we want you two to fight.

And we want you to fight

as long as you can fight.

So I want to show you something

as to how long it takes

for this fight to occur

simulating the attack

and the information,

the evidence that we had

from the Simpson crime scene.

When that video starts running,

we'll say go.

We'll put, put it on this.

It'll all be videoed.

And here's your knife.

So watch this.

The cameras are going.

Okay, Ron Goldman walks in.

Here he comes.

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

He's stepping in the blood.

There you see

the projected stains.

Okay. How long did that take?

Stop time.

Okay, don't step in anything.

Just stay there right now.

Now you know how

much time that was?

12 seconds.

- How many times is he stabbed?

- 30 times.

How long did that take?

- 12 seconds.

- 12 seconds.

That's a long time.

Look how much blood is on the

person that gets attacked.

And this would be Ron Goldman.

Look how little gets on

to this person and where it was,

was around the socks

and the shoes.

I still have that clothing.

Took it as evidence to present

in the trial to show how little

blood gets on the attacker

because it forces away from

and here you have all the blood

that's down here.

This is not something

where we're just gonna

play around here.

No, they fought.

It was almost identical

to what my findings were.

Goldman went down.

The person playing Goldman

went down by the force from

the person that's stabbing him.

And his feet go up.

And he goes down.

And they're moving

around in the blood.

Smearing the blood exactly

like it was at the scene

for 30 stab wounds,

incised wounds in this fight.

There's another transfer pattern

here on the north wall,

which at its highest point is

We were very happy that

we found this amount of blood

one foot, four and three

quarters of an inch high.

[Tom] That kind of takes me

back to 3:00 AM on June 12th.

All this blood

and everything else.

Someone who gets stabbed this

many times, this viciously...

[Rod] This is personal, hate.

[Tom] Because we're

assuming if it's hate,

the suspect has

to know the victim.

[Rod] You've done the deed.

You've k*lled the people

that you went there to k*ll.

And then somebody was wrong

place, wrong time.

As soon as they got there,

I felt that, that's what

happened here.

This wasn't sex.

This wasn't theft.

This was revenge, mad, hate.

Notice that these projected

stains, they go out to the side,

those that didn't hit the

pavement hit the socks.

[Tom] The average person

would think there should be

a whole lot of blood

on him and there's not.

[Rod] But the victims have

a lot of blood on them.

Ron Goldman's covered in blood.

Nicole Brown Simpson

is covered in blood.

But the person that you

suspected, O.J. Simpson,

where did it have his blood?

On the back of the legs,

around the feet,

on the socks.

[Tom] Sure. One or two

of the jurors alluded to,

they said that Simpson, if he

was the k*ller would've been

covered in blood.

If they were shown this video,

they might have a

different opinion.

How can you

question any of this?

And the blood would

be on the gloves.

There you go.

This doesn't lie.

And there were a lot of

people observing it.

This is the grab mark.

[Tom] Yeah. And the Simpson

jury never got an explanation

for anything.

You know? You're right.

This here, in seconds,

in 12 seconds,

is an explanation that could

take some people a month.

And you did it in 12 seconds.

Why in the hell

I never saw this?

I don't know the answer to that.

The answer's simple.

Put it in the damn evidence.

The first ballot

was 10 to 2, actually.

And there were two holdouts that

said, we think he was guilty.

It didn't take but an hour and a

half for the rest of the jurors

to talk these two

into rolling over.

Juror number six just flat out

came and said,

I don't believe any

of the police witnesses

other than her door? Was it to...

without any further explanation.

They need evidence to show,

so they're like,

the glove has his

print on it, whatever.

And see the grab mark?

Look at the grab mark.

That's a grab mark.

Two of those were on the back

of Goldman's shirt.

All they need is one person

in that jury box to roll over

and say, hey,

I don't think he did it.

There is so much

evidence in this case.

[Rod] This wasn't staged.

I mean,

we just told them to fight.

[Tom] It's rage.

[Rod] Rage, fear,

revenge, theft or sex.

It all fits.

It all fits.

Everybody says today, they say,

he'd have been covered in blood.

Yeah, look at

the projected stain.

Look at the projected stains.

[Tom] If I was in the jury

looking at this,

I can say, well, maybe he

wouldn't be covered in blood.

You know?

That would be my responsibility

to explain that.

Of course, we never saw it.

We never saw it.

Nine months of this

and you take four hours

to come to a decision,

two of those being lunch.

I don't care whether

he was guilty or not guilty,

that means you

didn't ask questions.

You didn't ask for inquiries

in this, that or the other.

Were they napping?

I don't know.

[Reporter] Juror number one

shocked the court

by handing over the verdict.

[Tom] Look at the evidence.

A supposition is not evidence.

Evidence is evidence.

Come back this soon,

they have found him guilty.

And no one can tell me

they looked at this evidence

with any amount

of curiosity, period.

Some fancy lawyer throws a bunch

of nine dollar words at you.

And you're like, boy,

he sounds really good.

He can't be lying

or whatever else. He's lying.

How could anyone say

that he didn't do it?

There's absolutely no doubt

in my mind that O.J. Simpson

k*lled Nicole and Ron.

There's no doubt.

[Woman] Not guilty

of the crime of m*rder.

[cheering]

[Woman] It made me very sad.

I felt very sad for the families

watching their reactions.

If we go back

in history 100 years,

I've never seen

anything like this.

I don't care what people think.

But if you really care and you

wanna know what happened,

dig a little deeper

and see what happened.

Do your own edition.

[Mark] I would like you

to listen carefully.

If you don't understand

anything, tell me, okay?

Mr. Simpson, you have the

right to remain silent.

If you give up the right

to remain silent,

anything you say can and will

be used against you

in a court of law.