Group Therapy (2024)

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Every year, a

million people commit suicide.

A million!

That's 2,800 a day.

That's one every 30 seconds.

There goes another guy!

Does anyone

have drugs to ease my pain?

My kingdom for a Quaalude.

Do you know how hard it is

to get a doctor to

write you a prescription

for a pill you don't need?

It's not hard.

I love my parents so much,

I lost my dad.

I didn't lose him.

I mean, I know where

he's at right now.

I've never

really thought of myself

as depressed

as much as paralyzed by hope.

That's

what your 30s is all about;

"How can I turn

this sh*t around?

I'm a horrible

person.

Help me, Tony Robbins, help me."

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Hi.

Yeah, I think we should

all just come and sit down,

and just sh**t the sh*t.

What did they

say you'd be doing today?

Just hang out

other comedians

and talk about mental health.

I thought that we

were gonna be healed

by Neil Patrick Harris.

And then it culminates in

a beauty pageant, right?

Why is everybody so

cute on this show?

Myself included.

- Camera set.

- All right, here we go.

Ready?

All right, looking right at me.

Can we also make it clear

this is my living room

and I'm lending it

to all the comedians

to be interviewed in?

All right, you guys

are rolling on everything?

- Yep.

- Okay.

Great.

Quiet please.

Hi.

Hello, everybody.

Hey there, how are ya?

Hi.

Okay, who wants to start?

All right,

here we go.

C mark.

E mark.

I've done five solo

autobiographical shows,

and my director, he

and I always talk about

how it's crucial that

the show is not therapy.

If it becomes therapy,

it loses the point,

'cause in therapy,

you're essentially

putting on your therapist...

...your problems,

your challenges,

your issues,

with the hope that you're

working through them.

And with a show,

you're giving

the audience something.

It's actually, in some

ways, the opposite,

or it's certainly not

the same thing at all.

Ideally, you're providing

something to the audience

and not putting it on them.

So who here has struggled

with mental health

in their lives?

Yes, oh, wow.

Oh, wow, I was assuming everyone

was gonna raise their hands.

- Yes.

- The audience is like,

"We're fine."

You're either very

healthy or lying.

Welcome, everybody.

What we are doing here today

is not a comedy show,

although the people

that we have invited up

make their living

doing stand-up comedy.

The six people who are here

have been able to use the things

that have happened to

them in their lives

in effective ways.

And I think what I wanted to do

was have sort of a group

therapy discussion.

To be clear, I am

not a therapist.

- I was gonna ask, yeah.

- Really?

- Unusual.

- I am not a stand-up comic.

I am wildly unclear

as to why I am doing this,

moderating.

I think I'm affable.

Yeah.

And we got chosen as the

mentally ill comedians

to be in this, yeah.

So it's really a high--

Out of

thousands of people --

I know.

They chose us.

From all around the world,

- they chose us.

- Yeah,

there's a lot of comedians.

We stuck out.

Oh, I don't know,

but sometimes --I hope I'll

eventually answer this question,

but I'm gonna start

here, in kindergarten,

announcing to the class

during show and

tell that I could --

Here was the thing

that was going on

in show and tell

when I was five,

the kids were lying.

And so when it became clear

that you weren't being

punished for lying,

I was like,

"Well, f*ck this,

I'm going for it,"

and I said,

"I can speak French."

I couldn't really speak French,

I could just do a French accent

'cause I had seen

Inspector Clouseau

in "The Pink Panther"

movies growing up.

My mom would take me

to the movie theater.

And we were poor,

so that was like our air

conditioning for a summer day.

So I got up in front of

the kindergarten kids

and my teacher,

and I said, "Pardon

me, monsieur,

do you have a license

for your monkey?"

And then everyone laughed,

and I thought, "Oh, I'll

do everything I need to

to make this happen

again and again."

When was the first time

you thought you were funny?

I was never the class

clown in school.

I know some people were,

but in my town, I grew up

in Massachusetts, like Gary --

the class clown

was the mean guy.

- Oh, yeah.

- Walks in the room, is like,

"You're fat, you're

g*y, I'm outta here."

I was always a little

fat and a little g*y.

I never got along

with that guy.

I wasn't class clown.

The first time I ever

remember getting attention

was I was probably five,

I remember I actually

pulled my pants down

and just shat in our backyard.

So it was physical

comedy first or?

So that was the height

of my sophistication.

No, that was prop comedy.

Prop comedy.

When I was a girl,

I liked my insides,

but I didn't like my outsides.

I knew I was, like,

sweet and funny

and nice and charming,

but I didn't like how I looked.

I didn't like that --

I didn't think I was cool.

It felt like I was auditioning.

Like life was one big audition

and everybody was judging me.

Yeah, that's who I was

when I was younger.

I couldn't take a joke.

I was the worst.

All my family were funny

when they'd be

roasting each other,

and I'd be crying, like,

"Don't say mean things."

And everyone was like, "You

need to get a tough skin.

You're eight."

"You need to grow up,

we are the Hugheses,

we are a funny

family, we make jokes,

this is what we do."

And I'm like, "No,

you're teasing me."

And then something

transitioned in me,

and I said to my dad,

like, "Dad, I think I'm ready."

And he was like, "Listen,

now, it better be good

if you're bringing

it to the table."

And I was like, "I'm bringing

a joke to the table."

And I made a joke

up when I was eight.

- What was it?

- So I was like,

"What'd

you call a Rastaman

that wears glasses?

Rasta-four-eye."

And they all went.

"That's pretty good."

And I was in, I told my joke,

and I was funny from then.

I didn't cry when people

teased me anymore,

I was in, I was in.

But I also like that

they were very angry

about the comedy.

Yeah, 'cause they were like,

- "Listen"...

- "Why can't you take

- a joke?"

- ..."we're a funny family."

Yes.

"We are the funny Hugheses."

I envy y'all with like,

"Oh, my family's so funny."

It's like, I come from a

family of non-laughers.

They're not interested

in anything.

My grandma doesn't

listen to any music.

She doesn't listen to TV,

nothing, it's just

silence in the home.

She just cooks and eats.

And so it's just like,

I really need this

is what I'm saying.

Yeah, I don't know if

anything my family does

is a typical

family dynamic.

In Japan, it was taboo

to even be from a family

where, "It's broken,"

they call it, right?

So, like I was the

only kid in my class,

usually, with divorced parents.

How did you develop

your sense of humor

if that was your upbringing?

It was from watching TV.

I learned English

from "Scooby-Doo."

- And so --

- Wow.

- Zoinks.

- Zoinks.

So I was an outcast.

Yeah.

They were like, "What?

- Why does she talk like that?"

- But that's probably how

you developed your

sense of humor

was because everybody's

just cooking and --

Yeah, and then so I was like,

"Is this deadpan comedy?"

And there was

like, "Eat," right?

"Eat, please, eat."

"Did you eat? No?

Eat, please, eat, eat,

eat, eat, eat, eat,

eat, eat, eat, eat, eat."

"Did you eat? No? No?

I didn't think so, eat, please,

eat, now, eat, eat."

"Did you eat? No?

Please, eat, I cook,

eat, now, please."

"Eat, eat, eat, eat, eat.

Did you eat? No?

Please, eat, eat, eat,

eat, eat, eat, eat.

Did you eat? No?

I didn't think so, I cook,

now, eat, please, eat."

"Eat, eat, eat, eat, eat."

And then the next

time they see you,

they call you fat.

Hi, Atsuko.

- Hi.

- I am home.

Hi.

Hey, hey.

There was confusion

and frustration

and a lot of sadness.

I was very sad.

So I was always projecting,

"Well, my grandma's so sad."

My grandma had to raise

three kids on her own.

Her husband was m*rder*d

when she was 30,

and then her daughter has

mental illness and epilepsy,

and doesn't leave the house.

So she still takes care

of my mom, her daughter,

at 89 years old. You know.

My grandma raised me,

so I didn't really hang out

with people my age growing up.

Yeah, yeah.

People are always like,

"Atsuko, what's wrong with you?"

"Someone 50 years older than me

taught me how to socialize,

okay?"

I think that's the

core of my comedy

is wanting other

people to feel seen,

to build that camaraderie

so that nobody feels isolated,

um, like I have ever felt.

You know.

- Sound speed.

- Can I do it?

Okay.

Two camera marks,

apples and bananas.

Oh, I forgot, we're

doing a documentary.

That was very natural.

I've never been a part

of any group

therapy-type situation.

Have you done group therapy?

No, I haven't.

Certainly not with

Neil Patrick Harris.

And what is his role?

He's --

He's a psychologist.

He's a medical doctor?

- I'm having a hot flash.

- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't move to Los Angeles

to become a comedian,

I didn't move to be

in entertainment.

My two good

friends that I grew up with

were headed out to LA.

I was like, "Well, I

guess I'm moving to LA."

In high school,

I was um,

I was voted least likely.

I've been running

with it ever since.

And I was just very much

the

failure in school.

And I failed three grades,

dropped outta high school.

My mother, she was always

just wanting to make sure

that I knew the most

important thing in life

was to be happy.

Even down to dropping

outta high school.

My mother would brag to people.

She's like, "Yeah,

Tig dropped out,

she's doing her own thing."

And my own thing,

I had nothing going on.

When I was performing

in dingy, smoky

bars in the Dakotas,

she still thought I was

doing cool things.

Do you work here?

Can you hold this?

I loved that my

mother was into it.

So I've never had this,

"I'll show everyone

back in my hometown

or the people I grew up with,

or my parents, or my mother."

I just have never

felt that way at all.

My parents just

thought, "You're crazy,

just be a normal person."

My mom just wanted me to

have kids, "Just have kids."

You know those pushy parents

that you see in TV

shows, "Stage Moms"?

I wish I had a stage mom.

I had a normal mom,

normal dad,

didn't think that anything

would happen with my career.

So I was like, "I've

gotta take my career

into my own hands."

My parents didn't

really do that either.

There was nothing I could do

that would elicit a

reaction to be like,

"I'm so proud," or whatever,

especially my dad.

My dad was an engineer at AT&T,

which is, I don't know, science.

When I decided that

I wanted to act,

he was like,

"What the f*ck is

wrong with you?"

Who's single except

for daddy over here?

You're single, what

are you looking for?

A confident dude.

That's it?

Girl, come on, a job?

You're diagnosed with ADHD.

Was that recent?

This was 29 or 30.

I had a friend who was like,

"Hey, you need therapy."

And I was like,

"That's pretty rude."

But it turns out

she was right.

And I had an assessment,

and she let me talk

uninterrupted for

like 10 minutes, and she was

like, "It's bad."

It's bad.

Yeah.

Things were happening

that I don't know

if I could Google,

I don't know if I

could put it into words

what was going on in my brain.

I just felt like I

was lazy and crazy.

Once I got that diagnosis,

I was like, "Oh

my God, I'm not an idiot."

My most magical moment on stage

was my Netflix special.

Aw.

Did you have a monitor

with your set list on it?

No.

I wish, oh my God, no.

Little helpful.

I love that for you.

But I was looking to

make sure I was on track,

and it was like, "Stop."

"Costumes needs to see you."

And I was like, "Yeah,

and stop, costumes."

And I said it out

loud, and I went, "Oh,

I think they're trying

to tell me to stop."

I often seem very unhinged

when I'm performing,

but I think that's

just who I am in life.

That's who you are, babes.

My current therapist,

sometimes she's like, "Hey,

can we just hold some space

that you will lose

your keys twice a week?

Can we just --That's just

a thing that's gonna happen.

And yeah, it's frustrating,

but you always find them

and you always get to where

you're going, eventually."

Yeah, I think

bombing gets easier.

I mean, I don't like it.

No, I hate it.

Bombing in England

I'm fine with.

Bombing in America

makes me feel sick.

When I b*mb in

America, I'm like,

"I've let down Richard Pryor,

all the people that have

performed on this stage."

There's so much more

history to it.

I remember the first time,

it's like, "Do you know how

many big names performed here?

And you get your

opportunity to perform here,

and you do that, you idiot?"

I find influence

is super important.

Did you have any?

I'm here with some

of my influences.

- Yeah?

- Which is what's so cool

about comedy.

For the most part,

we've been in the

trenches together,

so there's camaraderie, yeah.

I watched Gary and Tig and Mike

when I was a young comedian.

My first set ever,

I was trying to sound like Tig.

People were like,

"Is she?"

So Tig is more deadpan

and takes time.

- But when I did it --

- We also dress differently.

- A little bit.

- Yeah, of course, of course,

we do

dress differently.

And we're just different people.

- We are, we are.

- But

so that's that.

- There's that, too.

- Nobody ever mistakes us.

The first time I

probably intersected

with Richard Lewis,

I was probably six or seven.

He was a really

good-looking guy

with long hair and he was cool,

he dressed in all black.

Thank you, I'm

thrilled to be here.

And he was just really honest

about how

miserable he was

and how anxious and nervous

and also how full

of self-loathing.

And even a week ago,

I'm in bed, this woman,

I was so looking forward

to this sexually.

And I just, well,

I'm screwed up.

She says, "Don't you

wanna have an orgasm?"

And I said, "What's

in it for me?"

So.

So how did you know that

that was gonna be you

when you were older?

- Oh?

- Why did you resonate

with this old, miserable man?

I remember thinking,

"Oh, there's a spot

for somebody like me

who's quirky, funny and

miserable."

My dad loved comedy.

He loved Richard Pryor.

And he would laugh

at Richard Pryor,

and I didn't know what

Richard Pryor was saying,

but I'd know when to laugh,

so I could laugh at

the same time as my dad.

So I'd just be like.

I discovered

masturbating by accident.

I'm not lying, I was about 10,

I was in the tub.

And that's when you used

to have to hold your d*ck

with two fingers.

You'd be.

I said, "Hey."

"I'm on to something here."

"I bet Dad don't

know about this."

I think we're all

a little bit influenced

by Richard Pryor.

He's, in some

ways, the godfather

of a type of autobiographical

storytelling and comedy,

opening himself up

to the audience,

saying, "Here's my flaws,

here's my problems.

Let me tell you about

my drug problem.

Let me tell you about the time

I lit myself on fire

and it nearly k*lled me."

Now, listen to me,

all the people you ever

heard of freebasing,

have you ever heard

of anybody blowing up?

Why me?

10 million

m*therf*ckers freebase,

I gotta blow up.

There's something about that,

and seeing someone like him,

who's such a

tremendous performer,

open himself wide open

and be funny about it

all at the same time.

It's just inspiring.

Seven years ago,

I started walking in my sleep.

I was living with my

girlfriend at the time

and I started having

a recurring dream

that there was a hovering

insect-like jackal

in our bedroom.

And I would see

this hovering jackal

and I would jump on our bed

and I would strike

a karate pose,

and I would say, "Abby,"

that was my girlfriend,

"there's a jackal in the room."

Well, around this time

I remember thinking,

"Well, this seems dangerous,

maybe I should see a doctor."

And then I thought,

"Maybe I'll eat dinner."

And I went with dinner...

...for years.

I have a serious

sleepwalking disorder

that got so bad that

I actually jumped

through a second-story

window sleepwalking

in Walla Walla,

Washington, at a motel

called La Quinta Inn.

There are two important details.

One, I was on the second floor,

two, the window was closed.

It was January,

so I jumped through a window

like the Hulk.

But my epiphany as

a comedian

was that when I started

talking with it on stage,

I thought that it

would be very dramatic,

and actually it was very funny

and people were laughing,

not because they also

jumped through a window,

but because something

extraordinary in their life

that made them feel anxiety

or made them feel alienated

from other people.

If comedy is impersonal,

if it's entirely

outside of yourself,

you run the risk of

losing the humanity

of what a live performance

has the potential for.

There's a human

connection in that moment

between the performer

and the audience.

And that's unbelievable.

When I go to a show...

Guys.

... and there's a

single performer on stage

connecting with 1,000

people all at the same time...

Oh, great,

there's stairs.

I think my grandfather

calling me fat

every Thanksgiving's

what's keeping him

alive?

...when we're

all feeling a thing

and we're all

laughing at a thing,

- that's magical.

That joke came from

pain.

And it's transcendent.

I grew up in

the '70s and the '80s,

and I'm, ugh, as

a sensitive boy,

not a very accommodating time

for sensitive boys.

And so if someone

asked me for advice,

and I say like, "Hey, maybe

you should tell that story,

it's a personal

story," it's twofold.

One is, I'm saying the

audience would enjoy that,

so they could have that

kind of magical connection,

but also it's good for you, too.

It's a more deep

human connection

with your own material

and what you're sharing.

I love therapy,

I go to therapy.

I have couples therapy,

my husband

goes to therapy,

my mother, I pay for

her therapy, my brother.

I'm big into the idea

that talking about stuff

provides solutions.

Well, that's the thing

is you can find yourself

in anybody's story.

I had advice from a

really good therapist who,

I didn't wanna tell anybody

anything about my life,

and he said, "If

you're an open book,

nobody will have

anything on you."

Mm, there's another

famous phrase is,

"You're only as sick

as your secrets."

Secrets, said by

the very wise Oprah.

- Oh, is that Oprah?

- Oh, she's wise.

Oprah said

that?

She is so wise.

- Oprah.

- Oh,

- so wise.

- Oprah is wise.

But she might've gotten

that from a guest,

but I know I got it.

- She got her credits.

- A guest.

I know I got it through Oprah,

so it's all under

- the Oprah umbrella.

- The Oprah umbrella.

- Wisdom.

- Wait a minute,

does Oprah get

credit for everything

- a guest says?

- Yes, she does.

She also wrote a lot

of the Beatles catalog.

She did.

Also, all of you have doctors?

Is what I'm realizing.

Wait a second,

you don't see a

therapist or have a?

Oh, yeah, I haven't had

a therapist in years.

I'm raw dogging it right now.

Wow, wow, wow.

This is my true, authentic

self, unfiltered.

It's almost like

I woke up one day

and everyone was like,

"We have a therapist.

We signed up without you."

And I'm like,

"You have, for how long?"

They're like, "Oh, we've all

been seeing a therapist."

I was like, "Was there a Groupon

or a discount that I missed?"

- A Groupon?

- And everyone.

You think there will be a time?

I don't wanna talk

about it so much

because I haven't

felt like I'm ready

or that I would have,

I feel like, yeah.

Does anyone else have

diagnosed medical conditions?

Yeah, I mean, I have

major depressive disorder

and anxiety, yeah.

I take medicine,

and that changed my life,

of course, yeah.

What are the valleys like?

I say that because I think

stand-up seems wrought

with so much insecurity

because you're writing

your own material.

You're literally putting

yourself and your stories

out to other people

to judge them,

night after night,

show after show.

And it seems like,

if depression is an issue,

that it would be

a challenging career.

And it is a challenging career,

but it's also

a career that allows you

to go to work at 9:00 p.m.

Yes.

And wear what you wore all day,

and they don't

require you to shower

or anything like that,

- or put on ironed clothes.

- I mean, it does.

At 17 years old, 1988,

I was six-foot-six

and 255 pounds.

I had built

a very convincing man costume.

I was bigger and faster

and stronger than everybody,

so I did very well

in high school.

And then I got to college

and everybody

was the Gary Gulman

of their high school,

and it was just,

I was overwhelmed.

And I was like, "But this

is all I have, all I am."

And about three weeks

into it, I --

I had this breakdown.

I didn't know that

I was being seen

as this great potential,

which is, I think it's

a quote from Socrates

or somebody who said,

"Those the gods wish to destroy

they first call promising."

I was athletic, I'll own that,

but then we put on

football helmets and pads,

and I go out there,

and these guys

just kicked my a*s

for three weeks.

I mean, guys bigger than me,

but also guys just smaller

and faster and tougher than me.

I dropped a ball the end zone,

and I went home

on a Friday night

and slept through

Saturday afternoon,

stayed in my room on Sunday.

I had put my self-esteem

into how I was on

a football field.

And my brother was

really helpful,

he said, "You need to go

to the trainer on Sunday

and tell him that you're

suffering."

I don't

know why you cry.

My older brother told me,

"Tell the trainer that

you have depression."

My brother diagnosed me.

I didn't really

understand what it was,

what the symptoms were.

I just thought I was very weak.

And I went to the trainer,

I went to a therapist,

got diagnosed,

and suddenly this thing

I'd felt since I was seven

had a --had a name.

And that was helpful,

but then it wasn't until

like six months in,

they put me on a medication.

And I remember

when it kicked in,

I remember like, "Oh,

this is how everyone

else feels all the time."

- Huge.

- Yeah.

How are you feeling

about all the feeling?

So I do feel a little

scatterbrained.

- Really?

- I forgot to take

my medicine today.

There's been a couple times

where I have very much zoned out

and not been here,

but then I kinda have to

ground myself a little bit

and be like,

"Someone's talking."

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My relationship

with stand-up is,

it's very up and down.

Right now, I'm in a phase

where I don't wanna tour,

I do wanna tour, I don't

wanna tour, I do wanna tour,

I don't wanna write,

I do wanna write.

I've had a lot of moments

where I didn't want to do it.

And I had weeks

where I was like,

"Oh, yeah, I quit comedy,

I don't do

comedy anymore."

But here's the thing,

I used to think, "I need jokes

and I need 45 minutes

and I need an hour,"

and I think about how

daunting it must be

to have this, "I can't

concentrate for" --

And I can't

concentrate to sit down

to write the hour.

There's a book called

"Bird by Bird" about writing.

It was advice that

the author's father

had given his child.

He said, "Well, how am I

gonna do this big report

about all the birds

of North America?"

And he said,

"Bird by bird."

- Which is right.

- Which is exactly

- what it is.

- And then how do you

write jokes?

One sentence at a time.

Me, personally, I look at

all the birds in the sky,

and I go, "Oh, my God,

how on earth am I

gonna do all of this?"

But if I just keep in my brain,

"Just one bird at a time.

You like parrots,

start with a parrot."

That's great.

"And then you can move on

to a flamingo,

but make sure you get

to that parrot first."

Do some easy ones up front.

Yeah, that's just

like a nice thing

to be like, "Nicole,

one bird at a time."

Yeah, the author is Anne Lamott.

Anne Lamont?

- I'll never--

- Lamott, L-A-M-O-T-T.

- Lamont?

- Lamott.

Am I not saying it good?

Yeah, because there's no N in--

Lamott?

- Like Mott's Applesauce.

- Lamott?

- Mott?

- Or Mott Street,

or Mott Haven.

If you live

in the neighborhood

that I live in,

which is called

Mott Haven.

I can't believe you had

so many examples of Mott

- just in your pocket.

- Of Mott, yeah,

yeah.

I collect.

When I was starting

out in the early 2000s,

just in New York

clubs, it was tough.

People would be so

mean to me, merciless,

'cause I was young, young 20s.

Mitch Hedberg was

the first person

who was someone who

I really admired.

And asked me to open for him

on a whole bunch of dates.

Whenever I walk, people

try to hand me out flyers.

And when someone tries

to hand me out a flyer,

it's kinda like they're saying,

"Here, you throw this away."

I'd ask him all

kinds of questions.

And when you're the opening act,

you pick up the

headliner sometimes

and bring them to the club,

that's part of the gig, I guess.

I just couldn't believe it.

It's like, literally,

there's moments in

my comedy career

where things like that,

where I'm like, "This

is the best thing

I've ever done by far."

I actually have a habit of

making awkward situations

even more awkward.

Like I was moving a new bed

into my apartment recently

and this woman that

lived in the building

opened the front door

for me with her key.

And she goes, "I'm not worried

because a r*pist wouldn't

have a bed like that."

Now, what I should've said...

...was nothing.

What I did say was,

"You'd be surprised."

And then we went,

I was like, "Do you

guys wanna go bowling?"

There was a bowling alley,

I had my own bowling shoes.

- Oh boy.

- Mm.

Yeah, I know.

Hey, now's a good time to

announce that I am a nerd.

We go bowling,

and I'm nervous 'cause it's

my hero, Mitch Hedberg,

and I'm bowling all kinds

of zeroes and gutter ba*ls

- and ones.

- I'm sure he cared.

Well, at the end of

it, he says to me,

"Thought when you

asked us to go bowling,

that you would be

good at bowling."

I'll give you

a fact about Mitch.

"Time Magazine"

once dubbed Mitch

the next Seinfeld.

Was this our friend

who had the drug problem?

Well, I got the drugs

under control now.

- Do you?

- Yeah.

You had to

take them responsibly?

Yeah, just for

the creative side of it.

With Mitch's drug stuff,

I was in the dark

to some degree,

like most people, I

wouldn't witness it,

wouldn't be out in the open.

Were you aware

that it was happening,

- or were you just?

- I would hear stories

about it.

I used to do drugs.

I still do, but I used to, too.

Yeah, I mean, I saw Mitch

about a week before

he died at Caroline's.

I like to drink

before the show, I

have a couple drinks

before I go on stage.

Every time people applaud,

I'm always going,

"No, no, no, hold on."

He asked me to come

up and do a guest set.

And afterwards I saw,

we went to a bar,

and people, fans of his

were coming up to him

and offering him drugs,

handing him drugs.

And it was the first

time I was like,

"f*ck, this is bad,

this is bad."

My manager's cool,

he gets concerned,

he says, "Mitch, don't

use liquor as a crutch."

I can't use liquor as a crutch,

because a crutch helpsme walk.

In relation

to substance issues,

I think like

everyone in his life,

I struggled with, "What could

we have done differently?"

And I --

Alcoholism is a disease,

but it's like the only disease

that you can get

yelled at for having.

I gotta get

off this damn stage.

I wish there was just

a trapdoor that would open

up and I'd fall in it.

"You are done."

And I land on a couch

and have a drink.

I've lost a handful of comedian

friends over the years.

Mitch Hedberg

and Greg Giraldo and others.

And the pain of it

doesn't go away,

there's no answer in it.

I remember at Mitch's memorial,

I was with Mitch's mom

and Dave Attell

was outside together,

and it was really sweet.

Dave Attell, I think,

one of the great

comedians of all time.

And Dave said a thing that,

I mean, in some ways,

it's sort of silly,

but in some ways, there's

a lot of truth to it,

is he goes just like,

"We'll always have the records."

And I love that, "We'll

always have the records,"

'cause it's true, I still

listen to Hedberg records.

- Yeah, yeah.

- Aw, yeah.

Yeah.

The makeup artists in

England are insane.

- Oh, no.

- When

I was at the BBC,

the makeup artist

that they had for me,

she'd never done makeup

- for black people before.

- Oh, no.

And she panicked,

she didn't realize

I would be Black,

and she didn't have

any black makeup...

- No.

- ...so she put cocoa powder

- on my face.

- What?

- Literally.

- Like the actual?

- Actual --

- Wait.

Like Ovaltine?

- Yes, on my face.

- She said, "Ovaltine."

You can drink it.

And she tricked me,

because I could smell it.

And I was like, "It

smells really chocolaty."

And she was like, "Oh,

it's called Cocoa."

She put me in blackface,

it was just ridiculous, so yes.

London, what on

earth are you doing?

I was doing children's

television to pay the bills,

and because

I wanted to be on TV,

and that was the only

form of television

that would accept me.

Eau de toilette?

Toilet water more like.

- Huh?

- Dodge, you smell like

a bog brush.

Kids TV in Britain's so diverse

and that's where it stops.

And then normal television

is just old white men

and hot young white women

or just hot young white men.

I was told I wasn't

conventionally attractive,

so I didn't see

myself as attractive.

So I just was like,

"You're a ugly black girl

trying to make jokes in Britain,

and they keep telling you no."

And I watched a lot of

my white male friends

become famous, one by one,

they'd start comedy one year,

then the next year,

they'd be on TV.

And I just saw it

happen, happen, happen.

And all of a sudden,

you just get depressed.

And so after every show,

- it felt like a rejection.

It would make me die inside.

And I'll go in the comments

and read the comments,

because I'm looking for people

to call me ugly, or

annoying, or not funny,

but every negative thing

that anyone's ever

said about me,

I've already thought

it about myself.

People had

problems with my hair,

they didn't know

what the f*ck it was.

Now everybody looked

like me.

Watching American TV

and just seeing people

like Whoopi Goldberg

and people Brandi

and Tia and Tamara from

"Sister, Sister" and Moesha

and all these black girls

that are All-American.

I said to myself, "That's

where I need to be.

Once I get to

America, they'll see,"

because blackness in Britain

was American blackness.

The music we listened

to, American,

our heroes, Oprah, American,

Beyonc, American,

Whoopi Goldberg, American.

So as a black British girl

that's trying to make

her mark in anything,

I had to look to America

as guidance to get me there.

I tell you what,

I just turned 31.

I know, I don't look it,

right?

Just turned 31, I'm

very attractive.

It's not a joke,

it's more factual.

I'm rich, I'm rich

as f*ck, guys,

seriously.

When I eat McDonald's,

I eat McDonald's in

Beverly Hills, okay?

I'm rich as f*ck.

In Britain, a lot of

the female comics there,

God bless 'em,

they uh,

they would just stand still,

keep the microphone

on the stand,

and then just put their

hair back behind their ears

and speak like this,

and then maybe an a**l joke,

and then that's it.

This whole tone like that.

And I watched that

and I was like,

"I don't like that,

that's not me."

So I was like, "What

do I wanna do?"

And I would take the mic

off the stand, kick it down.

All I know is that

if I was a mute

that worked in 7-Eleven,

I'd be married by now.

It's true, it's true.

And I ain't even

been proposed to.

There's b*tches in

Kentucky with no teeth

that have been proposed to.

f*ck is wrong with me?

I'm in your face, I'm loud.

And then essentially that just

became how I enjoyed stand-up

and how I wanted to perform

and show the world who I was.

So is the version of you

that you're presenting

when you're doing

stand-up armor,

like a character version of you?

- Yes.

- I don't mean that

- in a disrespectful way.

- No, it is, 100%.

My stand-up version of me

is basically just

a ultimate bad b*tch.

And so I don't know,

when I'm on stage, my energy

and my stand-up rhythm,

like Tig was talking about,

is g*nf*re.

It's like.

I literally won't give

you enough time to laugh.

If you're laughing,

choke on those.

Ah, here's some more jokes, ah.

So when I watch comics,

like Tig and Atsuko,

and they're on stage

and they're drinking the water.

I've never done that before.

I literally do not stop.

I'll stop for the applause

breaks, obviously,

I'm just like --

Is that to potentially

overcome an insecurity

- or a shyness?

- Yeah, probably,

I probably am like, "I'm not

good enough to stop,

- so I gotta keep going."

- Wow.

I should try your style.

Yeah, try it.

Yes, go on, Tig.

I would be like, "Oh, God."

- "Oh geez, my spinal fusion."

- Just all.

Yes, everyone's dead!

a**l jokes.

Ah!

Coming at you with

my a**l jokes.

I think my style

changed over the years.

When I first began,

it was very kind of

one-liner, quick joke.

I notice more and more women

are getting fake boobs.

Meanwhile,

I still haven't even

gotten real ones yet.

Then it became.

I went on Conan once

and pushed a stool around.

Made everybody

uncomfortable, but.

I feel like maybe

some of you aren't into it.

Got some laughs.

But yeah, I just, I

kind of allowed myself

to do whatever I felt most

comfortable doing at that time.

And then that's also what

ended up happening in 2012.

Can you talk a little bit

about the circumstances

leading up to that?

Well, in a four-month

period of time,

in 2012,

I had pneumonia,

then I contracted this

very deadly disease,

C. diff, the intestinal disease.

Then my mother tripped,

hit her head and died.

My girlfriend and I split up.

And then I was diagnosed

with invasive cancer.

And yeah.

I didn't have depression,

I had deep, deep sadness,

deep, deep fear.

Deep, deep sadness,

deep, deep fear.

I had this show booked

at the venue Largo

in Los Angeles.

And I remember I called to say,

"Hey, I don't think

I can do this,

I'm really struggling

emotionally and physically."

And I remember the owner saying,

"Let's just keep it on the books

and just see how you feel

when we get to that date."

And I thought,

"This guy,

I don't think he heard me.

My mother died and I have

cancer and my girlfriend."

But he was like, "Yeah, just

if you don't wanna do it,

you can cancel it

the second before you're

gonna walk on stage."

And I thought, "Okay."

And as it got closer

to the show date,

I found myself making jokes

about these different things

that I hadn't been

able to find humor in.

I allowed myself to go

with what was happening,

and that was that

it didn't make sense

to do anything

other than to share

what was actually

going on in my life.

Good evening, hello.

I have cancer, how are you?

Is everybody having

a good time?

Diagnosed with cancer.

It's okay.

It's okay.

It's gonna be okay.

It might not be okay,

- but I'm just saying.

You're gonna be okay.

After my mother died,

the hospital sent

this questionnaire

asking how her stay

at the hospital went.

And when I first got

that in the mail,

I was outraged.

Whereas that night

I walked on stage,

I talked about it,

and I answered

the entire questionnaire.

Number one, "During

this hospital stay,

did nurses explain things

in a way you could understand?"

I mean, considering you

had zero brain activity.

Number four, "Suggestions

for improvements...

...such as should we stop

sending questionnaires

- to dead people?"

-

There was nervous laughter,

there was hysterical laughter.

People were stunned,

people were confused.

I really felt like I was

stepping off of a ledge

and suddenly I could fly,

even if I was maybe

gonna crash and burn.

It was very freeing to...

...share...

these personal aspects.

What if I just

transitioned right now

into silly just

jokes right now?

- No.

- No!

No.

"No, I wanna

hear more bad news."

- Yes.

Yes.

We can take it.

No!

This

is f*cking amazing.

Oh.

On that note, let's take

like a five-minute break.

Let's take a break.

Do we leave the room?

I find LA

the hardest city to live in.

- LA?

- 'Cause it's

a very industry-centric town

where everyone at their

level is annoyed, seemingly,

that they're not

at the next level.

Thank you.

We got invited to

the Vanity Fair Party

after the Oscars.

Like, "We made it."

"We're at the f*cking

Vanity Fair party."

And we walk in, we

do the whole thing,

and then we're looking

and there's a velvet-roped area

in the--

And we're like,

"What? Who's in?"

And they're like,

"Oh, no, that's."

So then the next year,

we got invited back,

and we're like,

"Can we get into?

We know there's like a

velvet ropey kinda area,

could we go in that?"

So we did, and we get

into the velvet-rope area

and we're sitting there

and we're hanging out

with a couple of people,

maybe Bryan Cranston was

there, it was so fun,

and then everyone

starts leaving.

And we're like, "Oh,

where you going?"

"Oh, we're going to

Madonna's thing."

And we're like,

- "Huh?"

- Another velvet rope?

Literally.

- Another rope.

- And then you go

to Madonna's,

and there's a group of people

that get to go downstairs

to where Madonna is

at Madonna's party.

So that was LA to me,

was no matter...

- Wow.

- ...the cool spot you got,

it felt like there

was another level.

And the thing is,

you would've been fine,

if you hadn't have seen

that velvet rope,

you would've had

- a great time.

- Woulda had a great time.

Would've had the best time.

I'm watching Britney Spears

dance.

Dance?

She always just dances

semi-naked in her house.

Oh, yes.

I remember being 12,

knowing that

Britney Spears made it

on "The Mickey Mouse Club"

when she was 12.

And I hadn't made it,

and I wasn't on "The Mickey

Mouse Club" or "Barney."

I remember just feeling like,

"I've missed my chance,

I've passed my prime."

And that was me at 12.

So me at 34.

It's no surprise that

I'm blonde right now.

I remember wanting

to be a white girl so badly,

because I just,

I thought as a kid

that being white was

seen as beautiful.

Richard, I don't

wanna be obsessed with race,

but this is a different angle

I really never heard

anybody discuss.

Can white writers

write for you?

You know what I mean?

If they write for the

human being in me, yes.

If they try to

write for some idea

they have of what I would

be as a black person,

they usually cannot do that.

Most of the shows that

we have on British TV

that include black people

were written or created

by white people.

And for me, because

I was in the industry

and I wasn't like that,

I wasn't black enough

for the white people,

then also I'm black,

so I was too black for

the white people as well.

Earlier in my career,

I'd be steered in a direction

to sound a certain type of way.

What would be a case of

somebody trying to sound black?

Could you give an example of it?

I mean, I know they

don't mean any harm,

but they don't realize

how ignorant it is

trying to have that black voice

that some whites try to do,

and really don't do well.

Like,

"Why you jive turkey."

Yeah, that was.

I did a commercial,

it was one of the only

commercials I've ever booked,

I play a fairy in it.

And at the audition,

the casting director was like,

"Be as black as you can be.

And if you go too black,

I'll bring you back."

- What?

- And,

in the room, I was like,

"How is she gonna bring me back?

One."

"Two, what is too black?"

- Was she black?

- You know she wasn't.

- You know --

- Wow.

It was a thin white woman

who was like, "I want

you to say things

that your people say,

like call the little boy, 'Son,'

and say, 'Sister.'"

And she wanted neck movements

- for a fairy.

- Sheesh.

She'd be like,

"I grant your wish."

And the comic in you

could probably know that is it

- material potentially?

- Oh, yeah,

I ended up writing

a sketch about it

called, "Be Blacker."

Right, Nicole, I need

you to be blacker.

Do you understand what I

mean when I say, "Blacker?"

No, I'm sorry, I-I don't.

Do you know how to be

sassy?

Yes, let me see, yeah,

sassy, that's great, sassy.

I want you to take that,

go right into it, I love that.

- Sass it up.

- Okay, sassy.

Still

rolling, go ahead.

LeShwana, did you get

those clams I asked for?

Whoo, child,

I got them clams.

I got everything on

that list you gave me.

Okay, um, have you

heard of Madea?

It doesn't feel good

when someone's like,

"The black you are

is not

the black I want."

- Oh.

- "I want you to pretend

to be this other type of black

that I only know

from TV or whatever."

And it wasn't only that,

I'm also fat and I

had to be in a harness

and hoisted to the sky.

And the first thing

the stunt guy said was,

"We tested this on the

biggest man we could find.

You're bigger,

but we tested it."

And I was like,

"So I'm like a parody

of a black person,

I might die, I'm the

biggest thing there,

people were staring at me."

It was wild, the

whole thing was wild.

Wow.

You're told as a kid,

"Ugh, ugh, she's fat."

And you're told that

fat is a bad word.

In my early 20s,

I worked at a clothing

store called Lane Bryant.

I called it Lame Giant,

nobody thought it was funny.

And I would

wear really skin-tight clothing.

And my manager, she

looked just like Shrek,

her name was Judith.

Please leave her name in.

And she would yell

at me, reprimand me,

she would be like, "You

can't wear tight clothing."

And in my brain,

I was like, "What?

So am I lying to the other

fat people about being fat?

That's insane."

I just had an epiphany

where I was like,

"I don't give a sh*t.

I'm just gonna wear what

I feel comfortable in."

And then I started wearing

bikinis out in public.

And then I was like,

people do stare,

but I was like, "That means

my body's really powerful."

So I tell a lot of fat jokes.

And there's always

someone in the

audience who's like,

"Nicole, you're

not fat, girl, no."

"You're beautiful!"

b*tch, I know.

Look at this!

Thank you.

It's nice to pull from something

where you're like, "Oh,

that didn't feel great,"

and turn it into

something great.

You'll talk about

anything on stage,

- yeah?

- For the most part, yeah.

- You're more --

- I don't know, I just feel

like everyone kinda

goes through sh*t,

so why not talk about it?

Because there's

somebody in the audience

that's gone through it

or identifies with it.

Nice.

After my mother passed away,

I was diagnosed with

bilateral breast cancer,

but I have not told anybody yet.

You're the first

people to find out.

Wow, that's a very

cold response.

After all of

the attention I got,

it confused me,

because everybody was saying

that I found my voice

and that I am

a dark truth teller.

And I was thinking, "Yeah, I

guess that's what I am."

Before my surgery, I was

already relatively

flat chested.

And I made so many

jokes over the years

about how small my boobs were

that I started to think

that maybe my

boobs overheard me.

And were just like,

"You know what?"

"We're sick of this."

"Let's k*ll her."

But I was really lost, you know.

I was still swirling

from so much.

I was trying to have a child.

Even before Stephanie

and I got together,

and I kept it a secret from her

'cause I didn't wanna

freak her out

in the beginning of

our relationship

To be falling in love

and say, "Oh, by the way...

...I'm also injecting myself

on the side of the road

with hormones to try

and have a child by myself.

Wanna go out?"

Once I revealed it to her,

I couldn't believe

that she was all-in.

She was like, "I don't want

you hiding that from me,

I wanna be a part of that."

And I

could not believe

she was saying that.

Then we started to do

that together as a couple.

I was the subject of a

documentary film called "Tig."

The producers and directors

wanted me to get the results

of my pregnancy test on camera.

I know if the news

that he's in there,

if that is the news,

I don't think it

would be possible

to have another bad

day while I'm alive.

Because of my health,

it was questionable

whether or not

I should be even trying to do

this hormone treatment

to have --

It just, it was really a lot.

Oh, my gosh,

there's the doctor.

Oh, boy.

And then I got

the news on camera.

Hello?

Hi, so I got the

results of the blood test,

and unfortunately, I don't

have good news for you.

- Uh-huh.

- The results came back

as less than two

for pregnancy test,

and that means it's negative.

It's so wild to think about now

because there really

wasn't an ounce of my being

that thought that it

wasn't gonna happen.

I was so convinced.

It was devastating.

And there I was

with cameras on me.

I really wanted

privacy at that moment.

I have

massive impostor syndrome

- with a lot of things.

- Do you know

- any of these guys?

- No.

- No?

- No,

I think I've met Gary before,

but like decadesbefore.

So that's as much as

I know anyone here.

Gary and I have funny history

because when we first met,

I was in Los Angeles

for a few days.

You and I did a show together

on Sunset Strip at some bar.

And then he was like,

"Here's my number,

let's hang out."

And then you ghosted me

- for about five years.

- Nice.

- Wow, wow.

- That is funny.

Why did you ghost him?

I'll tell you why I ghosted him.

When I wasn't on stage,

I was frequently standing

on a window sill.

I'd never been more

depressed.

I was on the 12th floor

and I remember looking out,

the thing that

saved me was like,

"I know I'm gonna

regret it halfway down."

- Oh, wow.

- I would stand up there.

Would there be anyone

that could take you off

that ledge at that point,

or would it just have to be you?

It was just me, yeah.

I mean, I always thought

somebody would call

with some nice thing

or something like that,

but it was--

I was calling.

Aw.

Mike was calling you.

It was me,

- I was calling.

- It was Mike.

I called the ledge.

- The ledge.

- I even called the landline

that was attached

- to the ledge.

- The living room ledge?

- Yes.

- The living room ledge?

- Okay.

- You kidding me?

- There was a landline.

- Were you paying rent

or were you just

standing out on a ledge?

No, it was a --

Since I've been seven

years old,

I couldn't imagine

an ending for my life

that wasn't

self-inflicted.

Oh my gosh.

- Do you have those?

- When was the last time

I had that thought?

Sure.

Probably October of 2017.

The best 2017 was Chris Pine.

He was Captain Kirk

in "Star Trek"

and the love interest

in "Wonder Woman."

Let's compare to my 2017.

Psych ward.

I would have three-to-six-month

periods of depression,

I remember, as early

as seven years old,

just about every

year through 46.

And then at 46,

I had one that lasted

for 2 1/2 years.

And it had never been that deep,

it had never lasted that long.

It was just, my wife said,

"I thought you were dying."

I was catatonic on the

couch all day long,

I couldn't take shows.

And that was the one thing

I was always able to do

through my, at that

point, 24-year career

was pull myself together

for an hour or so

each night and work.

And then I couldn't

even do that.

Excruciating.

I'd been offered to come into

the hospital for two years,

and I've fought it

because of every reason

why people are

afraid of hospitals.

Movies and television tell you

that the psych ward is dangerous

and it'll make you worse

and that it's unclean.

And I checked myself

in, and it was ordinary.

Other than you have to

give up your shoelaces

and wear socks with

treads on them,

it's very ordinary.

And I got recognized by another

patient from television.

And he said, "I

won't tell anybody

and I don't wanna embarrass you,

but am I crazy or

are you Gary Gulman?"

And I said, "Oh, you're crazy."

But I'm only taking that

from the context.

My psychiatrist is

an advocate for and an expert

in something called

electroconvulsive therapy,

which used to be called

electroshock therapy,

but they felt electroshock

was not quite horrifying enough.

They said, "Yes,

electroshock is disturbing,

but I feel like we're

soft-selling the convulsions."

I had only seen that in "One

Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

Wow.

And it scared the sh*t outta me.

But I'm grateful that

I can talk about it

from the other side

and make people less

afraid of those treatments,

because it's the gold standard,

and especially for a

treatment-resistant depression.

What I'm trying to say is,

I've tried everything up

to then, every medication.

Pamelor, and then Prozac,

Celexa, Effexor, Zyprexa.

I think my doctor just said,

"Let's try drugs that rhyme."

And it was that that I

think rewired, or defragged,

or however you wanna put it,

to my brain, got out the

grooves that it was in,

and it saved my

life, and so I'm --

Oh, thank you, and --

After ECT, I made a decision

to move back to

the town that I grew up in

to convalesce.

And I wound up moving into

the same house

I grew up in.

And coincidence of coincidences,

my mother still lived there.

46 years old.

- Yeah?

- Yeah.

And here's the other thing,

I find it easier to tell people

that I had received

a dozen

inpatient electroconvulsive

therapy sessions

than, at 46 years old, I had

moved back in with my mother.

I got better and

started doing stand-up.

And it got me to do

this thing, which

is very therapeutic,

which is get out of the house

and be around people.

And I happen to be welcome

at a comedy club

in Harvard Square

called the the Comedy Studio

to try out jokes

about mental illness.

It was the ideal place

because I felt loved there.

And I could fail

and I could do well.

And that permission

to fail was essential.

Thank you.

Thanks so much.

I've been diagnosed

depressed for over 30 years,

and it went from sneaking

into my therapist's office

to telling anyone with

an HBO subscription

in 30 years.

So those are great strides.

- That's huge.

- There has never been

a better time to

be mentally ill.

My husband's mom also

has schizophrenia.

And some people think that's

how we started dating.

Yeah, no, yeah,

which can you imagine

that being your only criteria

for finding a partner?

Like how would that work, right?

Just YourMomToo.com."

I didn't really mention

that my mom has mental

illness or anything

with friendships or

relationships at all.

It just happened to be

that on a night I'm

just hanging out

with someone I like

and we're about to get intimate

for the first time,

he gets a call from his mom.

And I was talking to my mom

before we were about to,

um, you know.

- Do it?

- Do it.

- Yeah.

- Ryan told me first

that his mom has schizophrenia,

and then I revealed

that my mom, too.

- That is so wild.

- Yeah,

it was weird, where I was like,

"I feel like I'm in a movie."

- Mm-hmm.

- Yeah.

And she doesn't even know

you're talking about it?

She knows I talk about a lot.

I say, "Mom, I'm

an open book on stage.

I talk about our family,

I talk about a lot of stuff.

But just know, people,

- they never judge us for it.

- Yeah.

They share their stories

with me afterwards, too.

So they don't feel

like they're freaks,

and so we're not freaks either."

I kinda tell her that.

And then, you know.

And schizophrenia is hard

to talk about in comedy

because people are afraid of it

and it's so stigmatized.

And I don't think it helps

that it has such

a scary sounding name.

No, it doesn't,

yeah, it doesn't help, yeah.

I truly wish schizophrenia

had a more approachable name,

something like Splash Mountain.

That's fun, I love

that ride, right?

In fact, what if

all mental illnesses

were just named after

rides at Disneyland?

I would watch a lot

of Disney movies,

and Disney movies don't

have great examples of moms,

they're usually not there.

You know.

Little Mermaid

doesn't have a mom.

Belle from

"Beauty and the Beast"

doesn't have a mom.

Cinderella doesn't have a mom.

Pocahontas doesn't have a mom.

She has a grandma,

but she's a tree.

So I

just thought moms

were maybe like

my mom.

I don't know what mental

illness is when I'm a kid.

We didn't talk about that.

You know.

And you've never

had a therapist?

I've had therapists before,

and I thought, "Well, I

came to you to figure out

how to break up

with my boyfriend,

and we achieved that goal,

- so, oh man."

- I have a therapist.

Yeah?

- You don't?

- I do,

I've gone for like

20 years, I think.

- Right, yeah.

- Since we've known

- each other.

- Yeah, 25.

Is it because of

our relationship?

- Yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah.

20-some years, same person?

- Yeah, yeah, for real.

- Yeah,

yeah, that's wild to me.

I like it for other people.

But you don't like it for you?

I do think therapy's something

that you need to want to do.

Right, yeah.

But it is hard because,

and my mom's not on

medication right now

because she refuses to

go to the psychiatrist.

And I'm starting to think,

I'm like, I can't force her,

I'm not gonna put her in the car

while she's kicking

and screaming.

She doesn't leave the house,

she's scared of the world,

she hasn't bathed in 20 years.

She just stays home

and she's so scared

of the world.

And I wonder, sorry, you

asking made me realize,

maybe I don't see a therapist

because a part of me feels like

maybe I don't deserve it

when my mom needs so

much help right now.

And I'm always like, "Oh,

maybe we could get

you a therapist

to even talk out some of

the traumas, that you know,

the voices in your head."

Maybe I see a therapist and

I go, "Mom, look at me."

- Maybe.

- Yeah, honestly,

that is helpful.

Anytime I've had

a friend who I'm like,

"I think you should

probably see someone,"

I tell them about

how therapy helps me.

And so she's not at all

able to function on her own?

We're scared to let her,

but she has a daydream.

That's where she's able to

live outside of the confines,

the limitations

that life gave her.

I have dreams of getting

her a cat though.

You can make that come true.

But if she gets it

and she realizes...

- Oh.

- ..."This is too much,

I don't want it," you

can send it to our house.

- Really?

- Mm-hmm.

That's a bold statement,

that's a bold promise.

Well, I have three cats.

- For sure.

- Why would a fourth?

What if this cat's evil?

- You deal with it.

- Okay, no,

I'll take you up on it.

- Yeah, okay.

- Yeah.

We ended on a promise.

Kitty promise.

Do you know Tig Notaro?

- That's my other mom.

- That's my other mom.

Rick?

I'm here, Tig.

During my childhood,

I was not terribly close

with my stepfather.

He had told me that my career

was a waste of my

time and energy,

because I think, in his mind,

it was like, "You go to

school, you go to college,"

you take all those steps

that I was not

at all taking.

And so it created

this deeper rift

between the two of us.

When my mother died,

we were leaving my

mother's funeral.

He broke down and apologized.

I couldn't believe that

I was seeing him cry.

And then he said this thing

that I still am blown away

that it came from him.

He said, "I realize now

it's not the child's

responsibility

to teach the parent

who they are,

it's the parent's responsibility

to learn who their child is."

And he said, "And I did

not do that with you,

and I'm so sorry."

If I could tell my mother

that that happened,

I know that she

would've said...

..."It doesn't matter

when it came,

it's just important

and good that it did come."

We continued to

grow closer, and...

...nothing that

had happened before

mattered anymore to me.

And then, yeah,

March 28th of 2022,

Rick contracted C. Diff...

...the disease that had nearly

k*lled me 10 years before.

And then 10 years to the day

after taking my mother

off life support,

I was taking him

off of life support.

We were all gathered

at his grave site.

There was the green

AstroTurf over the grave.

And my brother

got up and he fell

- into my stepfather's grave.

- Oh, wow.

- No.

- Oh.

- Wow.

- That's funny.

Yeah, and I --

Into the six-foot hole?

Yeah, he fell in.

They had forgotten

to put plywood

- under the green AstroTurf.

- What?

Oh, my God.

He was like,

but because there was

the green AstroTurf,

- it, like, slowly.

- It sloped him in.

- He was going.

- Oh, wow.

And I was truly,

I was

sitting there thinking,

"This must happen

all the time."

And then a second

later, I was like,

"No, this doesn't happen

all the time."

And then I was like,

"Oh, I have a new

show to write."

I love it when people

can make jokes like that

'cause it just makes

you feel, "Oh yeah,

we're all in this together

and there's funny

things about this

and sad things about this,

and we're all just

going through it."

A funeral

audience is really amped

- to laugh.

- For laughter.

- Yes, they are.

- My dad's funeral,

- I m*rder*d.

- You crushed at

- your dad's funeral.

- I m*rder*d

at my dad's too.

And then the rabbi tried

to do time after me.

- Oh, no.

- Oh.

Couldn't follow me.

- Yes.

- Of course.

Couldn't follow me.

I said, "Rabbi, you don't

go on after the headliner."

"The show is over."

My mom died when I was 16,

and then my dad

died when I was 21.

And I guess

the way I dealt with it

was through humor and stuff.

So when we were

spreading my dad's ashes,

we were fighting over

who was gonna do it.

And I snatched outta

my granny's hand,

I was like, "I'll

f*cking do it."

And as I sprinkled them,

the wind picked up

and my mouth was open.

Oh.

- Oh, my God.

- You ate your --

I ate my daddy.

Oh, my gosh.

I was never really

close with my dad,

but we shared some really

fun times before he died.

He had sent me an e-mail

and was like, "They're looking

for a new lottery person

to call the numbers."

And he's like, "You

should do that,

that's a thing you

could do on camera."

And I was like, "Oh, my God."

He didn't call them auditions,

but he'd be like, "Are

you going to the tryouts?"

And I'd be like,

"Yeah, Dad,

I'm trying to do the tryouts."

And I told him about improv

and I was like, "Will you come

to the city and watch me?"

And my dad hated the city,

and he was like, "I will come."

And I was like, "Oh my

God, that's amazing,"

and then he died.

The further I get from that,

I'm like, "Well, at

least I had that.

At least I had a year or two

where he was like a cheerleader

and asking me about stuff."

So I guess I just

feel really lucky

that I had those years with him.

The stuff I've been

through has certainly

been a heavy load.

I felt cursed for a while,

even though I don't believe

in that type of thing.

It's hard and easy to say,

"I wouldn't change a thing."

And I reconcile that

by imagining showing

my mother my life.

If things hadn't happened

the way they did...

...I wouldn't have my

life with Stephanie

or with my children.

You were saying before

that now that you were

married and have children,

it affects the way that you

construct bits and stories.

- Mm-hmm.

- Do you think ultimately,

you land in a better place?

Or do you think it impairs

your jokes?

No, I think it's

in a better place

because of the bigger picture.

I mean, there's always

an editing process,

and it's like, what is your

motivation in your edit?

And sometimes now it's I

have other people in my life

that I have to think about.

Do you talk about everything

or is there stuff that you

choose notto talk about?

Tig and I were talking

about this backstage,

but some of it is,

wife and child,

you do consider like,

"Well, I don't wanna hurt

their feelings in this way,"

or that's their story as well.

So I wrote this joke about

how Jenny and I went to our

daughter's ballet recital,

and Jenny and I are

crying and crying

'cause she doesn't have it.

Well, 'cause I'm in

the business, I know.

You have a sense.

You're in the ballet business.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Oh, of course, no, I was

crying 'cause it was so good.

And then I'm hugging

Una afterwards,

and I go, "You were fantastic."

And she said, and this is true,

she goes, "Dad, you

would say I was fantastic

even if I wasn't fantastic."

And I had to say, "That's

a really good point,

and you're right."

I just did a matinee show,

my kid saw me perform

for the first time.

- Oh, wow.

- And it was really

interesting 'cause

I did not consider

that my son, Max, was

going to heckle me.

And so I'm --

Amazing.

I'm doing my show!

I'm doing my show,

and my son, Max,

he goes, "No, she didn't."

- Wow.

- Wow.

That's so good.

- Aw, that's incredible.

- And I was like,

"What?"

I was like that.

And he goes, "That's not true."

- Oh, wow!

- Amazing!

When I met Stephanie,

she said that her big dream

was to live to be 100.

And I thought, "Well,

that's insane."

I always thought,

"I'll probably kick it

somewhere in the 60s, 70s,

and I've had a good run."

But she said, "No,

I want us to die together."

And I was like, "Well, I'm

15 years older than you,

so that means I'd have

to live to be 115."

And she said, "You can do it."

I think it's most important

to figure out what

your north star is.

What's driving you

to do the thing,

whether it's stand-up

or living to be 115,

you have to have that thing.

Otherwise, none of

the other elements

are gonna fall into place.

And that's what drew

me to changing my diet,

meditation,

prioritizing my sleep,

all of those things.

But I think it's so crucial.

I had appeared

multiple times

on every single

late-night TV show.

Gary Gulman, everybody.

April 13th at

the Warner Theater.

I had a lovely girlfriend,

who's now my wife.

I had from the outside what

you would say, "This guy,"

I remember my friends,

when I opened up to them,

telling them how

depressed I was,

they would say, "I thought

you had everything together."

I kept thinking that my

first "Tonight Show,"

then I'll feel like...

Yeah, the you'll feel

like you made it.

...I can tell people, no.

Second "Tonight Show,"

third "Tonight Show"?

- Nope.

- First "Letterman,"

- second "Letterman," no.

- No, no.

It's good to have ambition,

but I think gratitude,

I have to check myself.

No, it's so true.

I mean, gratitude,

it's an antidote to

compare and despair.

- Oh, yeah.

- It's like, "Yeah,

I don't have that,

but I have this."

"But I have this."

Yeah, it's crazy.

We are so lucky.

I'm so grateful right now.

I'm happy that I'm me,

I'm happy you are you.

- Yeah.

- I'm happy we're here.

Me, too.

Let's leave everyone here

with how to stay hopeful.

How do we maintain our sanity?

Yeah, I write in my

journal all the time,

'cause I find that

if you write down

sort of what you're saddest

about or angriest about,

you can start to see

your own life as a story.

And sometimes you can zoom out

and encourage the main character

to make better decisions.

Hmm.

My first therapy session,

she was like,

"What's your goal?"

And I was like, "To fix me."

And she was like,

"Well, I can't fix you,

you're not broken.

I'm gonna give you tools

in order for you to

adjust your life to you."

So I lose my keys

almost every day,

so now my keys are five pounds.

There's

like 100 keys on them.

- Being kinder to yourself

- Yeah,

- and I forgive myself a lot.

- Oh, yeah.

Self-acceptance is enormous.

I see how I feel

now as a remission,

or I'm in recovery,

to use an AA term,

and I do all these things

to maintain --exercising,

eating right,

sleeping, my medicine,

my therapists.

Just dancing.

$22, dance class,

living my best life.

And there's people

there from all ages.

One of the women's like 70,

one of the girls

there's like 18,

and we have the best time.

And I always feel,

even if I haven't

got the routine down

or I forget the choreo,

I always leave

feeling so much

better that I went.

That or get yourself a mental

health designer handbag.

I do that.

I got myself a mental health

- Chanel bag.

- Girl, it helps.

Yeah, exactly.

The handbags.

Mental health, yes.

It's so hard for me to say

that other people

should find help

because I don't seek it myself.

Yeah, in no way am

I perfect or there

with looking out for my

mental health needs, yeah.

In fact, I'm just

starting to figure it out.

One thing that

was really helpful

was a quote from Mark Twain.

Me.

- Yeah, it's Mark Twain.

- Well.

From Oprah...

- From Oprah.

- ...from Maya Angelou.

That my therapist famously said.

I prefer Samuel Clemens.

Samuel Langhorne Clemens.

- Yes.

- Yes.

What was his quote?

"If you wanna cheer yourself up,

cheer somebody else up."

- Yes, yes.

- Oh, I love that.

And Kurt Vonnegut's

son, Dr. Mark Vonnegut,

has this great thing,

he says, "The meaning of life

is to help each

other through this,

whatever it is."

- Mm.

- Yeah.

- Well said.

- I don't have

a single original

thought, by the way.

Yeah, no, all of this.

This is what I'm learning

about you, I love it.

But at least I

cite my references,

which is ethical.

No, of course, of course.

Well, and as Ram Dass said...

..."Regardless of where

anybody is in life,

we're all walking

each other home."

- Wow.

- And I love that

- so, so much.

- Oh.

And it ties into taking

care of each other.

There's another

quote that was like,

have you ever heard, "The

glass is already broken?"

- Who said that one?

- Oh, God.

Yeah, who?

- It's Oprah.

- Mark Twain.

"Walk other people home."

I'm trying to summarize.

Let's summarize.

- In summary.

- Treat yourself,

walk other people

home, share yourselves.

- Go to the circus.

- Share --

Misquote Oprah.

Misquote Oprah,

and you're not alone.

- Yes.

- Did I do good?

- Yes, you did.

- That was perfect.

Thank you guys for being here.

Yay.

Thank you, Neil.

Atsuko Okatsuka,

Nicole Byer,

Tig Notaro.

London Hughes,

Gary Gulman,

Mike Birbiglia,

and I'm Neil Patrick Harris.

Good night.

- Group hug.

- Group hug,

group therapy hug.

Bye, thank you.

Bye.

Yeah, let's do it.

I have very little wisdom.

All I would say is,

whatever you're feeling,

you're most likely not alone.

Most likely is allowing

for pedophilia,

just in case anyone

was wondering.

I don't want people

to feel carte blanche,

like, "Yeah, f*ck it,

everybody feeling that, so."

I want people to feel

some sense of shame...

...if they're evil.

Some days it's hard

to get out of bed.

And people say, "Why is it

hard to get out of bed?"

And I think I know why,

this is my theory.

The thing they don't

tell you about life

- when you're growing up...

- Bye-bye.

...is this --life, mm...

...it's every single day.