01x01 - Part 1

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How do I describe it [laughs]?

Um...

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This story was an
absolute belter.

There's no two ways about it.

It's- it was the stuff
that dreams are made of.

Heists and huge amounts of
money,

armed g*ng, disguises,
a kidnapping,

great police investigations.

It was a huge, huge story.

The Securitas heist is unique

because of the amount
of money taken.

It may be the last
time that you ever see

that amount of cash in
possession of a g*ng.

Well,

for me is a very good movie,

action movie, you know.

When you tell this
for normal people,

say no ways.

It's completely insane.

This is the most unique case

I've ever worked on,

I'm ever likely to work on.

I don't know.

It's the undescribable.

No one's ever asked me how
I describe this robbery.

It's...

It's, um...

I want to say
something profound.

I want to say, you know,

I'm sure Sir John will
say something eloquent

because he's a master
of the English language.

Indeed, this Securitas robbery

was my last case.

It was,

ironic in a way,

to end with a robbery

because when I started

in the late '60s, early '70s,

robbery was the serious

crime committed by
professional villains.

But as the '70s wore on,

drug cases took over

because it was much easier

to earn large sums
of criminal money,

through drug dealing

than it was through the
necessarily more difficult

and riskier process
of robbing banks.

Oh, Murray.

Murray was the,

the mover and shaker
of this conspiracy.

[announcer] Coming
out of London, England,

please welcome

Lightning

Lee

Murray.

[crowd applause and cheering]

[Chris Summers] Lee Murray
holds the key

to the truth

of this case.

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[Sir John] A robbery
occurred in Kent.

A substantial amount
of money was stolen.

It was all in cash.

This theft

represented the largest
amount ever stolen.

The robbers used hostages

as the means to enter
the depot.

There are few things
more terrifying

than the invasion
of home or workplace

at the dead of night

by men dressed
entirely in black,

whose faces and heads
are covered by masks,

brandishing deadly weapons,

and shouting that you will die

if you do not do
as you are told.

And the motive for this crime?

Pure and simple.

Greed.

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[Alun Thomas] If you looked
at it from the outside,

you'd never know
what was inside it.

They don't advertise
what they do in there

so you'd have to know
what was going on

in there to realize there
was a lot of money in there.

I was employed as
a shift manager

initially on days,

I always felt safe
because I fe- I felt

it was a very secure building
that was very thick.

The walls are very thick.

There was procedures
for going in and out.

I just felt the place
was impregnable.

You just couldn't-

you couldn't get in there.

The way I look at is
you work in a safe

within a safe.

When you approach the
door to the building,

you're visually verified
through cameras.

Once the first door closes,

you will be let into a void.

The second door
will open for you-

for you to actually come
into the building.

I started working at
the Securitas Depot

in November, 2005.

I was 22 years old.

To me, it looks like a prison,

a very secure place,

strange to me.

It does look very strange.

When I started at end of June,

it was just a
one-shift operation.

Then they wanted
to go night shift,

so, I, um, switched over
onto night shift.

A position come up for
night shift team leader,

which I applied for,

which I got.

Two weeks prior to
this event happen,

I started doing the night shift,

which was 10:00 in the evening

to 6:00 in the morning.

[Alun] At night time,
we would just sort money.

Large organizations,
companies they dealt with,

they would send their
takings for the day in.

[Tony] We'd start
our first shift.

We'd get clearance to
go into the building,

open the safes,
get the money out,

sort the money out,
good from bad,

what's got to be sent off
to the Bank of England

to be burned.

So, basically, that
continues all night.

[Alun] Banks would
then send us in orders

for what they
needed the next day.

So then we'd make
up those orders

and send them out.

It was the notes that
were the main business.

[Tony] When I first started,

it took your breath away.

You always dreamed about seeing

a hundred millions pound.

And then you see it

and, you know, after a few days

it's-it's just like bricks
if you're a bricklayer.

[Alun] You just used to look
at it like I would

like a couple of bags of sugar,

that stuff that goes
into the warehouse

and goes out of the warehouse.

You forget it's money.

It's just- it's just
something that you-you're

using in your job.

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I think most people in Britain

had no idea that
there was buildings

which gave no indication

of what they contained,

just blank canvases, really,

outside London in
quiet places like Kent,

storing millions and
millions of pounds

worth of cash.

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In February of 2006,

I was a detective
sergeant working

on the serious and
organized crime unit

of Kent Police.

We deal with

drugs,

large-scale drug supply,

robberies and stuff like that,

so basic organized crime

where gangs had got together,

utilized each other's
skills to--

for a common purpose.

I was the Assistant Chief
Constable for Kent Police.

I was in charge of
Special Operations,

which is all of the assets

that are involved in
dealing with major

and serious organized crime.

[Andy] Kent is one of
the counties of England.

It's known as the
Garden of England.

It's a beautiful
part of the country,

so a lot of rural areas.

If you're looking
at a map of the UK,

it would be the bottom
right-hand corner,

the far southeast
of the country.

[Adrian] Kent's
a busy area because

of its proximity to
London and the ports,

the channel crossing to France.

[Andy] It is known as the
gateway to Europe.

You've got the ports
of Folkestone and Dover

to the far southeast.

[Adrian] It had some
inner urban areas,

in the North Kent area,

so quite a diverse
area to police.

And generally, I'd say that
the southeast of England

and most of England is
a safe place to live.

But we're bordered on London
and a lot of London criminals

would come out of London

to commit crime within
the rural areas.

So, there's a lot of money
in the southeast of England,

so affluence

breeds greed,

breeds crime.

The 21st I'd been out
doing raids in London.

And it had been a long,
long day.

Come home quite late,

went to bed as
usual sort of thing.

But I was,

obviously,

on this unit, serious
and organized crime unit.

When if ever there was anything

to-to be called out about,

they'd ring the DSes first

so you'd get your team out
or whatever.

Wednesday,
the 22nd of February,

3:30 in the morning

my phone went off.

My phone rings.

I wake up.

Everyone has this image that,

you know, in a Columbo moment

I get up and I swing
my legs out of bed

and I light the cigarette

and start talking
on the phone loudly

while my wife's trying
to sleep in the bed.

Didn't happen.

I got up

and cleared my head, you know,

splashed some water on my face,

and went downstairs and
rang the number back.

I said, "Okay,
what have we got?"

He said, "We've had
a kidnapping."

And he said, "But they've taken
the guy to his place of work

and they've robbed
his place of work."

"Now, how much have
they nicked?"

"About a million pounds."

"Wow, a million pounds."

"Where does he work?"

I then learned that it was

at the Securitas Depot.

It's the other side
of a railway line

and underneath a tunnel,

not far from the police
station at Tonbridge.

I'd never seen a
place like this.

Every sense kicked in.

The first thing that
it reminded me of was

from some film like
The g*ns of Navarone.

So it looks like a
German gunning placement

from a World w*r II film.

Very few windows,

one or two of them
at the front,

which turned out to
be the control room.

So what is this place?

They said it's a
cash handling depot

where they count cash
for banks.

I had no idea that
place was there.

It doesn't really help,
as a detective sergeant,

when you're going to a place
you didn't even know existed

and it's right under your nose.

The first person I saw was

a detective inspector that
worked at Tonbridge.

"About a million quid,
I-I hear,"

he said,

"More like twenty."

And I looked at
him and I thought,

"You're joking."

And his face just
told me the story.

"You're not joking, are you?"

He went, "No."

Twenty million quid,
that is a lot of money.

My initial thoughts were:
who could have done this?

It must be a professional g*ng.

They had broken into a place

that was

a fort, a fortress.

They shouldn't have been
able to get in there.

But they had.

I noticed they had a

bank of CCTV in the
control room.

I had a quick look at that CCTV

to see whether I
could glean anything.

And I did not

have a clue

who this was.

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[Adrian] Like most of us
on that day,

we get a phone call
in the early hours,

probably about six or
seven o'clock in the morning,

before we're quite
ready to come to work,

knowing this has happened.

But we don't know the
scale of it at the time.

And gradually, hour by hour,

we realized the scale
and significance

of the crime that happened.

We knew it was over a million.

Then, within sort of
an hour or so,

we knew it was several million.

And then it was
tens of millions.

And it sort of grew
over the course

of that morning, actually.

The sort of crimes that,
you know,

we might see Hollywood filming

don't happen in real
life very often.

So it's an unusual crime,

and a serious crime.

Armed raiders have carried out

what's likely to be
the biggest robbery

in British history.

[newsman] Used notes
from the Bank of England

stolen from this security
depot in Kent.

Perhaps the biggest

and maybe the most
audacious robbery

in British history.

What I don't think
any of us anticipated

was the scale of media interest.

We know for a fact that this

is organized crime
at its top level.

This is planned and ex*cuted

with military precision.

Six men, some of them masked

and armed with handguns.

[newsman] It's a
massive manhunt.

Detectives are
desperate for help

to trace the g*ng.

[newswoman] Kent police
now have a hundred officers

involved in the hunt.

Tonight, they said
they were confident

the g*ng would be caught.

[newsman 2] The net
now being spread

to trap the perpetrators

is spreading ever-wider.

[Dave] It was all over
the news.

There was police cars
up and down Sidcup.

Everywhere in South London
was getting raided.

You know, they were looking
for any-any organization

that was with robberies,

they were turning them
over because it was

a massive amount of money.

I don't think his
name was linked

to it straight away.

But all of a sudden no one
could get hold of him.

Yeah, it went around
pretty quickly

it was Lee Murray.

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Yeah, I was shocked because

he just had so
much going for him.

You know, if he was
a rubbish fighter

and had no chance
of getting UFC,

no chance of becoming

a multi-million-dollar fighter

I'd go, yeah, no problem.

He was rubbish.

He's now decided
to do a robbery.

I could see Lee
going to the top.

There was no doubt he
was going to make it

and he was going to
be a big superstar.

So, yeah, it must have been
something switched in his nut

that got him involved in it.

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[Nicola] There
always has to be

a villain to every story.

There has to be a villain.

And to everybody who
doesn't know him,

he makes the perfect villain.

I've never, ever
done any interviews

ever in my life.

Um, because I feel like

when a lie goes unchecked
so long, you know,

it gets- it just keeps going.

Arms and legs keep getting
added to the story.

And I feel like it's time

to set the record straight

and people need
to know the truth.

Yeah.

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[Nicola] Lee grew up
in Woolwich.

He grew up on a council estate,

which is the equivalent
of the projects.

I first met Lee when
I was 11, 12.

So, I used to live on
Estate Buttmarsh.

[Mus] Probably the first
time I met Lee was when

I was about 12.

He was a good friend
of my brothers.

We all went to the same
school together.

It's a tough area we grew up in.

[Nicola] For me, Woolwich
was always scary.

So Woolwich was always like

a scary place to go.

And there's parts of Woolwich
that I would say normal people

that are not from there
just wouldn't really go.

People from outside Britain

or even outside London,

you maybe think of London

as being sort of the West End,

Mayfair, you know,

the very sort of affluent parts

of the city that tourists
are likely to see.

But, the southeast
corner of London

where Lee Murray was
from can be quite

a rough place to grow up.

[Dave] Just from where he came
from, same as myself,

same as a lot of people in
that area, you know,

you had to- you had to
fight to survive.

You know, you're
brought in a gut-

you're in a council house.

You've got all the wrong 'uns
all just put together.

They go, "Yeah,
we'll put you there."

That's lovely.

[Nicola] Everybody stacked
on top of each other,

and you're going to find

that one way or another,

you're going to be in the

middle of a lot of crime.

It's normal to know
people that steal.

It's normal to
know drug dealers.

It's just normal to you.

Like it's normal-

it was normal to me.

When I was 13, 14,

my teachers used to
take me down to a pub.

That's what it was like.

It was more like a social club

rather than a school.

And I even remember buying
cannabis from my teachers.

So, I mean, if the
teachers are like that

and that's the
start you're getting

then you've got no
chance, have you?

[Andy] What I can tell you
about Lee Murray is anecdotal.

I can tell you that he has

a British mother and
a Moroccan father.

I think he had a
rough childhood.

I get the impression
that he used

to get knocked around,

not by his mom,

by, you know, others.

[Chris] You know,
if you're not tough,

you might get a few bruises.

But it usually
toughens people up.

And Lee Murray certainly

came out [laughs] pretty tough.

Between the ages of 16 and 20,

he was in and out of prison.

He admitted that he, you know,
he was fighting

with people from the age of 14.

You know, he was a
street fighter.

He-he was not somebody you would

disrespect or, you know,

mess with

because he'd beat the crap
out of you [laughs].

Lee was kicking the sh*t,

kicking the f*ck out of people

that were like four, five,
six years older than him.

Not just close fights

but absolutely
annihilating them.

There was a lot
of hype about him,

rightly so though.

[Andy] His best friend was
Paul Allen.

Uh, and they hung about together.

He was a known criminal,

had previous for violence
and all sorts.

They'd been mates for years.

He was always where
Lee Murray was

and was almost his wing man.

So they looked out
for each other.

[Adrian] Like anyone in life,
you make choices.

And for people like Lee

and probably Paul Allen,

your choices are limited.

You're-you're growing up on
the street in London.

It's tough and you-you get
involved in crime

mostly because everyone else
is involved in crime.

Don't know.

We just come from a different
way of growing up.

We're not normal people.

So,

the way we think and the way
we think about things

is much different from

a normal person.

[Nicola] I met Lee
back in 1998.

When we first met him,

obviously he was really tall,

skinny, big ears [laughs],

really, really slim.

And I hadn't seen
him for about a year.

And I went to a club
with some of my friends

and he walked in.

And literally the
whole club was like,

"Oh, my God, who is this?"

Like he just com--

even I had to double-take.

I was like, wow, is that Lee?

It was like, Jesus, he's grown.

Like he's gro-
[laughs] he's grown.

He's got these muscles.

He just completely transformed.

Yeah, he'd obviously got
into fighting at that point

and was training really hard.

[Terry] First time I heard
the name Lee Murray

was from a very
good friend of mine.

He said to me,

"I've got this fellow, does MMA,

wants to box."

"Would you be interested?"

Well, I get phone calls like

that every day of the week.

But I met him.

I looked at him,

upright fellow.

So I done a session with him.

And I see this kid
and I thought, wow,

he's as green as the grass

but he just had something.

You know when
someone you just like

walk in that door and think,
"This kid's got it."

The guy was a freak puncher.

He's phenomenal,
unbelievable, natural puncher.

You know, there was no effort,

it was just sheer
speed and power,

hence the word Lightning.

And he was, you know,
unbelievable.

[gloves punching]

[gloves punching]

[gloves punching]

Someone nicknamed him
Lightning.

He earned that name,

Lightning Lee Murray.

And he certainly was [laughs].

Put it this way,
I wouldn't have liked

to shock off him [laughs].

[Lee grunting]

[Lee grunting]

[Lee grunting]

[Terry] When he
started training,

I'd heard bits about him

but I didn't really know him.

People said, oh, he's a bully.

He's a liberty-taker.

No, no way was that man

a bully or a liberty-taker.

That man was a gentleman,

proper gentleman.

If you-if you wronged him,

you woke the devil.

It didn't take much,

you know, Googling to look up

who Lee Murray was, and just,

what a- what a reputation he had

from his background as well
as his cage-fighting career.

He wanted to be

the world champion in the UFC.

That was his dream.

He was obsessed by it.

As much as I wanted him
to turn pro with me

and kick the UFC
in the side

but, listen, you can't
wreck a man's dream.

If that's that man's dream,
you've got to go with it.

He knew how to train.

He lived that life.

One thing he did,
he lived the life.

He'd done things properly.

And he trained hard.

[Dave] I think Lee Murray was
one of the only fighters

that traveled abroad.

UK's all right, but
it's not giving me exa-

I want to be up here.

I don't want to be here.

And he trained relentlessly
back and forward,

to the USA to train with
the best at the time.

[interviewer] Pat, who was the
first UFC Welterweight Champion?

Who was the first
Welterweight World Champion?

I think that was me,

back in 8mm days. [laughs]

[crowd cheering]

[announcer] And now--
[drowned out by crosstalk]

I'm two-time
SuperBrawl Champion,

won the U.S. Muay-Thai
K1-style fighting

and then held the UFC title

for about three and
a half years total

after winning the UFC '16,
I believe it was,

and then held it for three
and a half more years.

But I think my coaching was

a little better than that.

My team was
Miletich Fighting Systems.

Put 95 kids into
televised careers,

numerous world champions.

You know, Robbie Lawler
came in our league,

Jens Pulver,

Jeremy Horn,

Matt Hughes.

The whole Miletich
Fighting Systems crew,

it was, at the time,

it was the Who's Who
of the sport.

These guys are the sh*t,
you know.

[Miletich] We-we had a
pretty-pretty rough crew.

Nobody got through a
week training there

without getting
their a*s kicked.

I frankly don't remember

the first time I met Lee Murray.

I really don't.

I think I got a
phone call from him

asking if he could
come over and train,

I think is how it all went down,

to be honest with you.

And then he flew
over from England.

[Terry] When Lee first
went with Pat,

he paid his own airfare,

went out there,

and introduced himself
to Pat Miletich

and started training.

That takes ba*ls, man.

That takes ba*ls.

[Miletich] The year that he
came to train with me

was right around 2000.

I think that Lee was looking

to improve his ground skills,

improve his wrestling,

and train with a
bunch of K*llers

and get some guidance,
possibly, from me.

You know, in MMA it's
one of those sports where

you absolutely have
to have good coaching

and very, very tough
training partners

that will absolutely
kick the sh*t out of you

in practice to make you better.

You need to be
field tested, right?

And that was the only way.

We had the best field.

That's why Lee Murray,
these guys, came to our field.

He was training with
the best of the best.

It was a rare breed that
can survive that room.

I mean I had fighters come

from all over the world
who would last,

instead of the six weeks
they planned on training,

they'd last two days
and they'd go,

"Mm-mm, I'm going back home."

Lee stayed and he was
plenty tough to hang.

Lee was built like

everybody wants to be
built that's a guy.

You know what I mean?

Super-super narrow waist,
wide back,

bowling-ball shoulders,

very ripped, eight-pack of abs.

My first impression
was I thought he was,

I thought he looked
like a superhero,

you know, because he
was just super chiseled.

[Miletich] He was right
around 6'1".

He fought at 185,

so probably walked
around at 2-205.

Lee's strengths were

that he was
Lightning Lee Murray.

He was very fast,
very accurate striker.

Lee definitely had a lot
of pop to his punches,

lot of snap,
lot of explosiveness.

He punched with bad intentions.

He wasn't throwing jabs across
just to set things up.

He was intending on knocking
you out with every shot.

Decent ground skills,

just lacked in the
wrestling area.

You know, obviously
he's in Iowa,

coming from Britain.

He's not going to be king
of the mat at that point.

So that was his weakest point.

[crowd yelling]

That was it, he loved that.

He loved that-that fear factor,

that getting in there,

because there was
so many disciplines.

It's not just the
one discipline.

It was everything.

And he loved trying his body.

He loved the challenge of that.

[Miletich] Well, the type of
mentality it takes

to get inside of a cage

and fight another person
who's highly trained,

you need to be
pretty high-strung,

probably pretty highly tuned,

somebody who loves to compete

at a very high level.

It takes a special breed
to go out there

and fight and to walk out

and fight in front of a crowd
and be prepared

and like, "Hey, I'm going
to go fight this guy

out in front of everybody."

It's not the same
as someone coming up

and putting you in
a position where

you have to fight in a bar

or a street

or-or in-in-in life.

You-you've decided,

I'm going to go see if
I'm better than this guy.

Some people choose basketball
to compete, you know.

Combat is what others choose.

You know, it's our way of
expressing ourselves,

so just a little
different mindset.

Yeah, you're not normal,
you know.

I always said that.

Anybody who gets into the cage,
they ain't normal.

They've got a little bit
ticked to the side.

They- the amount of hours
you've got to go through,

the amount of training
you've got to go through,

you're not a normal 9-5 guy
who's going home to a baby,

doing a bit of diapering

and a bit of cooking.

You're not normal.

You're not doing that.

So you are different.

[crowd yelling]

[commentator 1] Those strong
elbows to the head.

[commentator 2] He's out.

[commentator 1] He's out.
[commentator 2] My goodness.

[commentator 1] And that's it.
[commentator 2] My goodness.

[Dave] Lee Murray was hard
not to hear about.

It was right about in 2002,
we went to Millennium Brawl,

saw this Lee Murray,
unbelievable.

And, again, looking
for ticket-sellers,

big personalities,

and you hear about this guy

knocking guys out so quick.

You know, that's why they
called him Lightning,

because it was lightning,
bang, bang, bang.

And he was unbelievable.

When he hit, it looked
like [buzzes],

like this old flash bulb.

It's what- it's what you saw,
it's what you felt,

it's what you
envisioned every time,

crack, crack, crack, crack.

[Lee grunting]

His fingers are like clubs.

His hands are like shovels.

You'd get hit by them,

it's like being in a car crash.

[Nicola] He has the bones
of a camel in like he,

his bones are really
gnarly and big.

And they're solid.

And when you've got
strength like that,

with like really hard bones,

you're hitting somebody once and

breaking their face.

You know, he looked like
he wouldn't hurt a fly,

yet he could k*ll you
like an ape,

unbelievable.

[Miletich]
There's guys that are
born to be, alphas,

like the real alphas.

I mean guys that feel
that they run the show.

And Lee was,

Lee was one of those rare guys.

I first met Lee in about 2002,
I believe.

He did scare me.

I'm not going to lie.

He frightened the
life out of me.

Everyone would be
a little bit scared

of someone like him because
he can fight, can't he?

You've seen him in the ring, so.

And then the second
time I met him,

I see his personality a lot more

and realize he's
not scary at all.

Lee Murray's reputation,

he's one of them,

nicest guy in the world.

He would look after everyone.

Like he would know you for a day

and then if he saw you out,

he'd look out for you.

If he thought you
were in trouble,

he would come in and
he would help you.

He was a good friend.

Anything you need help with,

he'll help ya.

If I knew you and
I introduced him to you

and he's see you six
months later,

"How are you?

Shall I buy you a drink?"

He's very, very,

very generous, very kind,

had a great heart.

He's thoughtful, he's kind.

He's always worried
about everyone else.

When it was Christmas one year,

he just left money on the side
for my kid's presents.

He was like, "Make sure he
has the best Christmas."

He absolutely loved kids.

But he was really, really good
with my son, really good.

Yeah, he's definitely
not a saint [laughs].

Lee's not an angel, no, no.

He's a f*cking lion.

If you f*cked with him,

you had a problem.

[Dave] Lee was always eccentric

so, if I'm sitting here
in an orange t-shirt,

it'd be orange flowers,

there'd be petals
hanging out of it, D,

you'd look at him and go, "Wow."

[Matt Linland] Aw, look at
this goofy outfit

this clown's got on.

Hey, did you get
out of the circus?

Is the circus in town?

He just looked
like a little like,

a little skinny boy.

Because he's so good-looking

and like flairy hair,
pretty boy.

You know what I mean?

Lee Pretty Boy Murray.

Trouble finds Lee because
of the way he looks.

[laughs] So, you know,
he looked like something

from a boy band
and had this gift.

Trouble finds Lee Murray.

He don't look for,

and he never used
to look for trouble.

He wouldn't go out
looking for trouble.

And I think a lot of people
that are bullies,

the typical big like
stereotypical muscle guy

who's throwing
his weight around,

would see Lee and
see all the attention

that he's got

and, you know, try,

try their luck.

And that, I think that's
what the trouble was.

You know, a bouncer will go,

"Oy, you, over here now.

Sh-sh over here."

You know, it-it was just
the wrong thing to say

to the wrong guy,
at the wrong time.

We was in a night
club one night.

And some doorman tried
to get feisty with him.

And, yeah, I felt uncomfortable.

He was there, I was here,

Paul Allen was there.

And there was three of them.

They started to get feisty.

Well, all of a sudden
another three come to six,

and that was it.

He just stretched his feet.

I knew he was going to do it.

I just looked

and it was bang, bang, bang,
pummel, punch,

crack, crack, crack.

The first three went.

Then the others come in:
crack, crack crack.

It was unbelievable.

There was bodies everywhere.

I've never seen
anything like it.

And I'm not exaggerating.

It was a bang.

He was gone.

I went, wow, what, Jesus.

The last one he hit,

and I swear to you,
I'm not lying.

I would not lie.

I see, do you know if, have
you ever watched a fight

where someone gets hit and
the sweat comes off of 'em?

I see this.

It was the guy's two teeth
out of his head.

And I kid you not.

I kid you not.

It's the truth.

[Nicola] Sometimes
you'd see like

just people after people

just hitting the floor.

It was

spectacular,

something, it really was.

He could beat up six of yous,

one punch,

one, pfff,

there you'd go from
here to over there.

Does it make you a bad guy?

Yes, it might make you a bad guy

if you're being a bully,

if you're being this.

I didn't see that side of him.

He don't take no
sh*t from anybody.

And that's it.

Lee's got no, it doesn't
matter what you look like.

You say something to him
and he's back on ya.

So, is that his fault?

He's standing up for him,

he's standing up for his rights.

I didn't hear about Lee Murray

until the night of
that fight in London.

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[Miletich] UFC 38, first UFC,
yes, in London,

the UFC at that time
was marketing itself

heavily internationally.

Bring your big stars,

bring the crowd out,

bring the stars out,

get the European folks

interested in what's going on.

That was the first UFC they
ever sanctioned in England.

We were like honorary guests.

The first time in
London, uh, UFC 38,

I went out to go see it.

[Miletich] Lee was not
fighting that night.

He was there with his boys.

The, you know, the folks
from London were very,

very pumped up.

And, you know, those--
they're thick in boxing.

You know, that's-that's the
thing in England.

So, you know, to have a massive
sell-out crowd like that

for the UFC was a big deal.

Afterward, they made an
announcement and said,

taking you all to a nightclub.

Fights are over.

We get bussed over
to Chinawhite.

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[Miletich] Well, we arrive
at Chinawhite,

very nice, high end,

very high end, and
basically say all the drinks

on the house and hors d'oeuvres
and whatever.

[Terry] We went to the after
party and we was all,

it was all paid for
by the UFC.

It was all for nothing.

There was food, drink--
it was a great night.

There was a few celebrities
there off the telly.

But there was a lot of faces
there, a lot of fighters.

You had 'em all there.

[Miletich] Tony Fryklund,
Chuck, we were all together.

Tito was with me.

[Dave] Tito was the
king of the cage then.

He was the man.

I was running around with Lee
and I see Tito coming.

And I'm with Lee.

And Tito kind of sees me,

"Hey, what's up, Fryklund?"

Kind of like that,

and I go, "Hey, hey, Tito."

Big mistake.

"Hey, f*cking Tito, this
is my friend, Lee Murray."

f*cking Tito goes,
"What's up?"

I don't even think
he said what's up.

He goes, "[mumbling],
how you doing?"

like barely says how you doing.

And he just like totally turned,

and Lee was f*cking, you
saw his f*cking eyes go,

oh, you mother f*ck.

He goes to him, "f*ck that guy."

I go, "Ssh."

I go, "Ssh."

He goes, f*cking
knocks my hand away.

He goes, "f*ck that
f*cking pumpkin head."

That f*cking energy was hot

in between those
two mother f*ck.

Like when you go, "Hey,
Tito, this is f*cking Lee"

and they just went, bzzz.

I'm like, oh, f*ck, bad idea.

My bad, my bad,

separate, separate,
separate.

[Miletich] I think we
were there

from midnight until 5:00 a.m.,

something like that.

And that was the first night

I actually had vodka and--
orange vodka and Red Bull.

I had no idea what Red Bull
was, at the time.

So that's what everybody
I think was drinking.

Yeah, nothing could
go wrong [laughs].

Then they turned on all
the lights all of a sudden

and they say, "Everybody out,"
and they open the door

and they send everybody out,

into the alley.

[Terry] And, it was all good,
and we all come out.

Early hours of the morning.

And there was a bit of a,

it started off as a joke,

Pat Miletich and all that.

It was a bit of a joke.

Someone jumped on
someone's back.

One of Tito's buddies
jumped on Miletich's back.

Tito's buddy Beau,
for some reason,

I knew it was him that
jumped on my back.

And he put his
arm around my neck,

and I knew he wasn't
trying to choke me

because there was no pressure.

But it was like, aw, it's
Beau screwing around.

And the kid was leaning back
on the hood of the car

with Pat on the front of him
and he's like this.

But I saw this from the back,

so I didn't know who had Pat.

And Pat's in the front.

I didn't know who this
guy was choking Pat.

So I go tch tch tch.

And I jump over the hood
and slide over, slide in,

and fit right into the,

now there's two
people getting choked.

But mine's way better.

I go [grunts], "Uh!"

I pull him off.

"That's my f*cking coach."

And then I get
ripped backwards

because Beau's arm
comes off of my neck.

Pat realizes that he's getting
loose so he spins around.

Well, I turn around and
they're both facing each other.

I'm looking at their profiles.

And Tony goes, "What the
f*ck are you doing,

trying to choke my coach?"

And Beau gets to like,

"Fu-"

that far, and Paul Allen
out of nowhere blasts him

with a right hand
and launches him.

He hit him and he f*cking
spilled rag-dolling

across the cobblestone
in a f*cking, in a heap.

I'd never really seen like
someone really piled up.

Next thing I know,
Paul Allen's chinned him

and the guy was laying
down by the side of a car.

And his arm flops out
and a cab runs over

I think his hand or whatever.

Like I swear, right
as the body came to rest,

Tito like--

Tito sees it.

And Lee sees Tito

and remembered,

oh, you f*cking
snubbed me earlier.

So right when he saw his buddy
get knocked out, he saw Tito.

He goes, "Oh, your boy got
knocked the f*ck out!"

f*ck!

We're ambassadors for
the U.S. now with the UFC,

about to have a huge brawl.

Lee Murray's guys,

him and some of his guys,

started coming in
on Miletich's side.

The rest of us came out
and started fighting

on the other side.

Instantly, it was like,

it was like a stick of dynamite
blew up the whole alley.

Literally ignites into
scraps all around me.

I've been in a lot of fights,

but I had never seen an
alley blow up like that,

with that many skilled fighters

just, suddenly just kick off,

and I was just stunned.

[Chuck] I looked to the left
and saw a friend of mine.

He's got three guys hitting
him in the back of the head.

I just run over.

Okay, just start throwing
people off, right,

just throwing people off him.

And then someone hits me
in the back of the head.

So I turn around,
I'm like, "Oh, no."

Now, I'd just gotten
an Omega watch,

my first nice watch.

So I'm walking towards
this guy, oh no,

you, taking my watch off.

I'm going, oh no, you know.

Like I and I put it in my pocket

and I crow hop.
[fist popping]

Drop him.

[Miletich] I'm a little ways
out into the alley.

And I look back to my left
and there's Chuck.

And anybody that gets near him,

he's just tagging them
and putting them down.

He's just crr, crr.

Chuck's going, "Don't
f*cking touch me, anyone."

[fist pops]

He's probably hit four
people at this point.

Chuck, they're
dropping like flies.

[Miletich] He's stacking bodies
over there against the wall.

Yeah, he probably knocked
out four or five people.

You know, it was kind of like,

when in doubt,

you know,

throw a punch.

So then, Tito's running
kind of at me

and goes past me while he's
ripping his jacket off.

And so I'm kind
of looking at him

and I'm backing up a little bit.

And he goes running,
and as he goes past me

I watch him go past me
and I look to my right

and there's Lee Murray
backing up,

taking his leather jacket off.

And Tito finally cornered Lee.

Lee backs all the
way up to this wall.

Right before he hits the wall,

he gets his last sleeve out.

And Tito throws a
combination of punches at Lee.

And Lee literally just ducks

out of the way of all of them,

bobs and weaves.

And then Lee comes
back with a combo,

and every punch lands,
all five punches.

And it was just, you
could hear bone on bone,

just brutal shots.

Crack, crack,
crack, crack, crack,

a five-punch combina--
literally five punches.

Smack, smack,
smack, smack, smack.

I think Tito was sleeping
from the first shot.

I was standing right there.

I see it, you could
hear the boom.

You could hear it crack.

And he went, and he was gone.

Tito was out, finished.

And then Lee started
to punt him in the head

with his steel-toed boots.

Lee just kicked
him in the head.

I don't know what, but that's
the street in him, I suppose.

That's just the
street fight in him.

That come to another level.

Lee's straight up a
street fighter in that,

when he's in that mode,

he's not going to stop.

I've been in a lot
of street fights.

Once you start, you know,
jumping in

and there's two or
three guys on one,

there's no rules anymore.

[sirens wailing]

[Miletich] So at the time,
I got along with Tito great.

So I don't want to see
him get hurt any worse.

I trained Lee,

I don't want to see
him go to jail

or get in trouble
and ruin his career,

certainly don't want
to see him k*ll Tito.

And so I grab Lee by
the arms and I go,

"Dude, stop, fight's over,
just get out of here."

And then I looked around
and I see,

because then the
police in London

used to wear the helmets,

the City of Westminster police.

And I see four helmets
coming down the road.

I said, "Lee, out of here."

We went, we shot down a
car park and we was gone.

We was gone.

[Chuck] As soon as I start
hearing the cops.

I grabbed the first girl I saw,

put my arm around her and said,

"Hey, wanna go get breakfast?"

And she said, "Okay."

We just walked
right by the cops,

had breakfast, it was cool.

Tony Fryklund and I
helped Tito up to his feet.

Scoop him up,
mother f*ck bleeds

all over my white shirt.

The alley fills with
London bobbies, right?

All with their tall hats.

And they've got
fire-extinguisher sized

pepper spray canisters.

Oh sh*t, this is going
to get real ugly now.

Not for the fighters,

it's going to get really ugly
for a bunch of policemen

from London.

These guys have no idea what
they're about to get into.

And I said,

"Dude, do not.

You do not want to spray

these people with that spray.

You're dealing with
dozens and dozens

of high-level
professional fighters.

Like you guys will get hurt.

And you don't have g*ns here."

So he goes,

"You're in charge, young man.

You're in charge.

Get all these people
back to the hotel."

The majority of the guys
fighting in that fight

were actual fighters,

so it probably was
pretty interesting.

You know, I mean I threw a
spinning back kick in it.

For anyone that was going to
cause any trouble that night,

they was in deep sh*t

because they was going
to get in trouble.

They was going to
get in big trouble.

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[Fryklund] I get

to our f*cking hotel.

We pull up and I went, oh f*ck.

This is not good.

Because when I pulled up,

I knew those people
out front right there

were Lee's dudes out
in front of the hotel.

Like a f*cking comic book.

You know the old
London Fog jackets,

the big f*cking overcoats?

There's overcoats on these guys

because they've got
weapons on them.

I go, f*ck, they're
already here.

And they're f*cking not happy.

But why are they here?

They didn't f*cking
lose a fight.

They just don't give a f*ck.

They like the fact
that there's action,

and they're going to
go f*ck with Tito now.

They go, "Get this f*cking guy

to stop running his mouth."

I go inside, I run
to the front desk.

Bruce Buffer and Tito are there.

Tito's going,

"I want to know who
the f*ck that was."

These guys are now in the lobby,

ready to f*cking put a
b*llet in this f*ck-

I'm going, what the f*ck?

"Get the f*ck up-"

I'm the only one that
f*cking knows this.

Then I'm going, "You guys
tell your f*cking boy

to go upstairs."

I finally had Bruce Buffer
grab him

and tell him to get the
f*ck in the elevator.

Just f*cking drop it,
f*cking drop it.

[male host] I want to
talk about something

that's become a part
of MMA folklore,

MMA urban myth, which I
want to get you to clarify.

2002,

London,

Tony Fryklund,

Matt Hughes,

Pat Miletich,

Tito Ortiz and a man
named Lee Murray

got into a street fight

where apparently Tito Ortiz

got knocked out by Lee Murray.

Not true at all.

Tito has talked
a lot about it.

At that point, yeah,

Tito Ortiz is the biggest name

in the sport.

And he got slapped with
one combo by an Englishman

in a London alley.

Quite embarrassing, I'd imagine.

Lee Murray took a
swing at me,

missed.

I took a swing at him.

I clinched him, I kneed him.

He broke away.

He started running away.

I started chasing to him.

And he turns around and stops

and plants his feet.

I go to stop and I
slide right into him.

He clipped me, dropped me,

and I popped right back up.

He claimed that he was wearing
figure skates at the time

and that we were at
Lake Placid apparently,

and he wiped out in his

first skating lesson against

a skilled hockey
player in a fight.

I'm the last guy to
defend Tito.

Trust me.

But in his defense,

he was up when I--
when the cops showed up,

and I looked over and I saw him,

he was the guy being--

his buddies were
holding him back

from trying to, you know,

chase after Lee.

I was never unconscious
at the time.

In my whole career,
I've never been unconscious.

And I never will go unconscious.

Now, I've heard all the
interviews from Tito.

No disrespect to Tito,

great fighter, great champion,

but man up, mate.

You got beat,

you didn't have
slippery shoes on.

You went toe to toe
with another man

on the cobbles and come unstuck.

That's it, that's what happened.

Well, he got hit
solidly five times

and just fell face first.

Stop bitching and beating
yourself up over it.

Be a man and man up.

That's my opinion.

[Miletich] You know, Tito
lying about what happened,

that's what made it big.

And it still remains,

why you're here 18 years later

filming me talk about it,

because Tito f*cking lied.

Lee was a Conor McGregor
in his ti-

he knew exactly
where he wanted to be

and he knew what he had to do.

It doesn't matter what he
had to do to get there.

How did he get noticed
to get into the UFC?

Who's the biggest name around?

Tito, mmm, how
bigger is he than me?

Big lump, I will knock
that mother f*ck out.

And that's how he got noticed.

You know, it was all
over the papers.

Everyone was talking
about, oh my God,

this little English skinny
fighter knocked out Tito.

He was not scared
of man nor beast,

let alone the fighting.

You know, on the street, he was
not scared or man nor beast.

So he had a great
reputation on the street

and in the cage when
he fought Pelé.

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[commentator] He's actually
eyeballing Lee Murray

as he comes into the cage.

As you see, he doesn't
look intimidated one bit.

Lee Murray is ripped
to the bone.

You know, you've only
got to get touched by Lee

and that-that was it.

It was lights out.

[Terry] He had that ability,
he's just natural.

He's a natural fighter.

Hardest man I've ever trained?

Lee Murray.

100%.

Hardest man who's ever
walked in that door?

Lee Murray, 100%.

He wanted to be the best.

He knew the UFC,

I'm going to be a
middleweight champion.

I'm going to be a
welterweight champion.

That was his dream.

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Getting to Vegas was an
achievement, obviously,

going up there, them
welcoming Lee to the UFC.

Great, great, it's
the first time

I've ever done anything
like that in my life,

in all my boxing career,

being involved in something
like that, in Vegas.

And it's quite an
experience for myself.

And then we got to the
fight night itself,

in his dressing room,
great atmosphere,

pumping him up a bit.

It's your dream, mate,
all right?

Your dream, don't let no
one take it away from you.

Come on, nobody.
[hand claps]

What are we going to do?

[bleep] him up.

It's like me and you
having an argument now,

kicking off.

Yes, we've got a pump of
adrenalin and we go in.

But put you in a dressing room

and put me in the dressing room.

And you've got to deal
with that mentally.

He had that ability as well,

in abundance.

Lee was one of those guys
that they f*cking really,

they enjoyed fighting.

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dramatic music builds

I'm nervous for every
fight I take.

Everybody gets nervous.

It's just part of being human.

If you don't get nervous,
you're just,

if I didn't get nervous,
I'd be worried.

[Terry] Whose decision
was it for him

to come out like
Hannibal Lector?

His.

I didn't even know he
was going to do it.

I didn't know about the mask.

I didn't know about the suit.

I didn't know about nothing.

I just,

what?

But that was his bag,

that's what he wanted to do

because that's his stage.

And who am I to
tell Lee not to?

And when you see him
come out with the,

with the mask on with the
Lector and he come out,

he knew what he thought,
you know,

I'm going to make this UFC.

I'm going to do this.

He had it in his nut
what to do.

He knew that's the
way to go to be a,

not just a fighter,
but an entertainer.

And he definitely got
the crowd's attention.

And the commentator
is wow, you know.

It was, it was good.

And they walk into
the ring wall,

to the cage.

It was, it was phenomenal.

It was just something else,

and he loved it.

He loved it.

You could see, and he,

that was- that was his pinnacle.

[commentator] Tito Ortiz.

And, Tito, I think I know
who he's rooting for.

I was watching it on TV,
actually.

I was stressed, you know,
I was stressed.

I knew Jorge was very
good on the ground,

pretty good standing up.

I knew Lee had the edge
standing up, by far.

But Jorge is very, very good
on the ground,

very good Jiu-Jitsu man.

[commentator] Oh my, Rivera's
got a hold of him.

[Miletich] When the fight
hit the ground,

I-I-I remember going,

"Oh, boy, that's not good."

[crowd yelling]

[commentator] Great
[drowned out by crowd]

looking for an arm bar,
look at this.

And bam, out of nowhere,

Lee pulls out a
triangle choke and--

[commentator] And it's
all over.

It's all over!

Lee Murray by submission.

Well-rounded
Lightning Lee Murray shows

he's got ground skills to
go with those nasty hands.

And he just, pop, pop.

Got him in the thing,
arm around him, done.

You either do or die in there,
when you get there,

you either sh*t yourself
or you fight.

And he fought,
unbelievable, unbelievable.

When he got his hand raised

and Joe Rogan was
interviewing him,

he said, "There's, uh,
someone in the crowd here,

Tito Ortiz right there."

And Lee went, they just
started exchanging words.

Tito Ortiz, T--[laughs]

Tito Ortiz?

If he wants to fight me here,

I'll fight anybody.

I don't care who they are,

what they've done.

I couldn't give a sh*t,
either way.

He can -

[Announcer] Oh,
Tito's standing up.

Tito's standing up
giving it that.

And Lee's saying to him,

you're never going to shut
me up 'till you get in here.

To say that to a man of
his size and his stature

and the lightweight
champion of the world,

you've got a pair
of ba*ls, mate.

My name's always going to
be in the back of his head

until he gets in here,
he gets in here,

and tries to shut me up,

if that's what you
feel you can do.

That would have
been a massive,

massive fight,

massive.

It's just a shame
it never happened.

[Adrian] When we look at any
criminal enterprise,

there's always a leader
or leaders within them.

And it's the same in society.

If you have any group of
people and an event happens,

there's always one or two people

who are taking
that group forward.

And from, you know, my
knowledge and experience

in looking at this
particular crime,

there's no doubt in my mind that
Lee Murray was a key figure

and a leader of that group.

He was strong,
confident, quick-witted,

and he would take
people with him.

He was definitely the driving
force from the London g*ng.

He was the guy who,

because he was a bit
of a hero to them.

And he was a major force
behind planning this.

There's no doubt about it.

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[sharp exhale]

Um, I don't want to,

I don't want to put words

in his mouth because obviously,

I want him to speak for
himself and say why.

I think it's better for people

to hear it from him as well,

why he did it.

I feel like that
was the only way

to do it, to, you know,

record, record parts of the
conversations that we had.

He's never had a chance
to speak for himself

and to tell what
actually happened.

He was told not to
talk about this at all.

People need to hear from Lee.

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