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01x04 - Episode 4

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Merseyside Detectives: The Murders of Ashley and Olivia". Aired: 19 August 2024.*
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A four-part documentary series, provides an in-depth look at these tragic events and the subsequent police investigations.

01x04 - Episode 4

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The Crown Prosecution Service

has authorised Merseyside Police

to charge Thomas Cashman

with the m*rder

of nine-year-old Olivia Pratt-Korbel.

We will see you in court.

Yeah, we will.

To clear my name.

OK.

If he was any type of man,

he'd admit what he's done.

Ashley Dale was m*rder*d

in her own home.

The innocent victim of a

callous crime.

We'll never come to terms with it.

I'll never accept it.

She's not here.

She's not coming back.

She must have been so scared

when she heard the door

getting kicked in.

And she's confronted with someone

holding that.

AUTOMATIC g*nf*re

I have never gone into a scene

like that to see just how determined,

whoever it was that's gone in,

there is just no-one getting

out of that house alive.

Niall Barry has been making threats

towards Lee,

saying that he's put

money on his head.

James, come with me, you're under

arrest for suspicion of m*rder.

These two work for Niall Barry.

And if they carried out the attack,

it'll be for him.

We believe that Witham and Peers

have left the Pilch Lane flat,

and then have used the Hyundai

to drive to Ashley's home address,

where the door has been forced

to the premises.

The g*nman has entered,

which we believe is James Witham,

firing ten shots in Ashley's

direction,

and then has run out of the house.

We believe that Joseph Peers is

outside as more or less

the getaway driver of the Hyundai.

James, just before we go any

further,

I need to make you aware that the

interview

is being downstream monitored.

Members of the investigation team

will be monitoring the live feed

of that interview.

James, what do you know

about the m*rder of Ashley Dale?

Do you know anything about it?

Do you know why Ashley was shot

and k*lled?

OK, Joseph, we're really

interested in a grey Hyundai.

Do you recognise this vehicle?

No comment.

Have you ever driven the vehicle?

No comment.

We believe that vehicle was used

in the commission of

Ashley's m*rder.

That means it was used to take

the g*nman to the address

..where Ashley was shot on the head,

she was forced.

To be more specific, James.

Did you have any part in forcing

the front door of Leinster Road?

So the forensic examination

of Leinster Road,

the CSI recovered a number

of footprint lifts

from inside the address.

And he said that the marks were left

by an On Cloudflyer trainer

..in a size 8.5.

Did you leave those footwear

marks in Leinster Road?

Or is it just a coincidence?

It's just part of the investigation.

We've conducted financial enquiries

on a Lloyds account held

in your name, and those records

show that

11.09 Saturday the 20th of August,

there was a transaction for £155

at Tesco Sports.

Do you know anything

about that transaction?

We're going to show you some

footage, James.

DCI CUMMINGS: He's sweating.

From isn't it - KMM4?

So this is footage from Tesco's.

Male comes to the till

..and purchases black On Cloudflyer

trainers..

..in a size 8.5.

Do you still have those

trainers, James?

Where are they now?

Exhibit DB-21.

This is a b*llet casing

that has been left within the scene

at Leinster Road.

That specific casing has been

submitted for forensic analysis.

So the scientist reports,

"The reference DNA profile

"of James Witham is almost fully

represented within this result.

"As I might expect if he was a

contributor of DNA to this result."

So that b*llet

casing has been analysed.

The scientist is saying

that has come from you.

Do you want to pause the interview?

If that's what he wants, yeah.

Yeah, that's fine.

OK, Joseph, have you got any

links to any organised crime group?

No comment.

As in what would be known

as the Barry OCG.

You linked to the Barry OCG?

No comment.

Niall Barry, he's sometimes

called Branch.

Does that mean anything to you?

That name?

No comment.

Did you have any contact with

Niall Barry, also known as Branch,

on the day of the m*rder?

No comment.

OK, James, that's recording

again there.

OK. Just before the break, James,

I explained to you about a

b*llet casing

in the address where

Ashley Dale was m*rder*d.

And I asked if there's anything

you'd like to say

about those results.

Was Ashley, the intended target,

James?

Were you aware

of any of your associates

being in dispute with Ashley?

Niall Barry, does that name mean

anything to you?

Do you know Niall?

Does the name Lee Harrison mean

anything to you, James?

So we know Lee to have been

the partner of Ashley

at the time she was k*lled.

Was Niall in dispute with Lee?

To your knowledge, did Niall

have any involvement in this m*rder?

I've got no further questions.

And the interview is halted.

Detectives send their evidence

to the Crown Prosecution Service

for a charging decision.

PHONE VIBRATES

Hello, Cath Cummings.

Are you?

Bail, it's not quite there on

an evidential threshold.

For God's sake!

Mr Witham, just want to step

up here for us, mate. OK.

But in relation to the m*rder

you allegedly been involved

with and arrested for, there's

decision being made

that you're going to be bailed

on that matter. OK?

The request on us is to convince

the CPS that it can't

have been anybody else.

So what we now need to do,

and really with a fine-tooth comb,

is go through all call data

for all those relevant people

that we believe were in the flat

earlier on that day

into the evening.

And then the two that leave can only

be Witham and Peers.

Why I feel frustrated is

having to go and explain

to the family, yeah, we have made

two arrests today,

but that unfortunately there

isn't sufficient to charge.

We've had to release them on bail.

Also, we as the police have now got

to manage these two individuals

in the communities, who also

have access to a firearm.

SIREN BLARES

The trial's getting under way

of the man accused of sh**ting dead

a nine-year-old girl at her home

in Liverpool last summer.

Thomas Cashman denies murdering

Olivia Pratt-Korbel in Dovecot.

Olivia's mother has just arrived

there she is surrounded

by friends and family.

The trial was moved from Liverpool

to Manchester

because they were concerned

at just how strong the feelings

were in Liverpool, and whether that

trial could be carried out fairly.

Judge Mrs Justice Yip noted

the details of the case

will be sensitive, and said

it would be normal for jurors

to experience emotions.

But she added, "It's important

you put your emotions aside

"when listening to the evidence."

Cashman insisted he

wasn't the g*nman.

He claimed he'd been stitched

up and appearing to become tearful.

He told the jury, "I'm not

a k*ller, I'm a dad.

"I'm getting blamed for something

I haven't done."

So can you see

Cashman in the courtroom?

At the beginning, yes.

but they've pulled the blind

down on the side where I'm sat.

I'd been told he'd asked

for it to be pulled

down because we're intimidating.

Just by looking at him, and I've got

every right to look at him.

I needed to because I wanted to see

if there was any remorse

..and there wasn't.

Nothing.

It's listening to him

pleading his innocence,

which is more frustrating.

What are you doing just now?

Um, putting together my victim

impact statement.

There's so much that I want to put

in

..for people to understand,

and especially Cashman.

To understand who Liv was

..and for him to understand

what he's done.

Understand what we've lost.

"Liv never stopped talking.

"Literally never.

"I would do and give anything

in the world

"to have her chatting to me.

"It's so very lonely without her.

"She will never get to make her

holy communion,

"wear that prom dress

or have a Sweet 16 birthday.

"Walk down the aisle with the man

of her dreams, or become a mother

"of her own children.

"This happened in our home

where we felt safe,

"and that night when I realised Liv

had been shot and needed me

"..I was not able to do CPR properly

on her because of my injury.

"I did not have full use

of my hands and I felt helpless.

"My worst nightmare was being

separated from Liv

"and not being with her when she

needed me the most.

"I was the first person

to hold my baby girl,

"and as her mum, I should have been

the last.

"Now I have to drive to the cemetery

to be close to my baby daughter.

"I sit with her and talk to her,

telling her I miss her smile,

"her kisses, her cuddles, her voice.

"I tell her she will live

on in my heart.

"She will always be with us.

"My little shadow.

"We love you endless amounts, Liv."

And you'd like to say that to

Cashman?

Yeah.

Yeah, very much so.

Because Liv hasn't got

a voice any more.

I will be her voice.

APPLAUSE

Hundreds of balloons were released

in Sefton Park in Liverpool

in honour of Ashley Dale.

Friends and family gathered

to celebrate her life.

So I've known Ashley since

we were two years of age.

We've grown up together.

We've done everything together.

Went to secondary school together,

finished uni at the same time.

We should have had many

more milestones to come.

30th birthdays, babies, marriages.

I can't put into words how we feel

to have her taken from us.

She had a violent death

for just such a gentle soul.

If it can happen to Ashley,

it can happen to anyone.

And that's thescariest thing.

The g*n crime in this city

has got to stop.

It's got to stop.

So we seized this phone,

which is an Encro enabled

phone from Niall Barry.

An Encro phone is a encrypted device.

This enables criminals to conduct

their activities undetected.

It can be anything from supplying

drugs, supplying firearms.

People like Barry thought that these

messages would stay private,

but our colleagues in Europe

cracked the encryption.

Detectives discover messages

Nigel Barry sent to Sean Zeisz,

a lieutenant in his OCG

who was with him on the night

of Ashley's m*rder.

Barry and Zeisz are shifting serious

quantities of drugs. Oh, yeah.

We've got Niall Barry being offered,

um, cocaine here.

"They look sound, bro.

I'll probably take four, bro.

"I'll take the four, and we'll pass

£80,000 up front today."

So he's got a lot of cash on him.

Niall Barry's clearly shopping

around for a firearm.

Jesus.

He's being offered two AK-47s. Nice.

85 sweets. So 85 b*ll*ts with each.

Yeah.

One TEC-9 self-loading p*stol.

Yeah. With either 2 or 400 sweets.

Yeah. Quite interestingly,

one Scorpion with suppressor.

And said, "The scorp will defo have

get us prices."

The Scorpion submachine g*n

was the same weapon that was used

to m*rder Ashley.

Yeah, it was. Yeah.

We've got a conversation

between Niall Barry and Sean Zeisz

regarding firearms here, mate.

They're plotting to attack someone

who's stolen Sean's electric bike.

It's quite scary the way it reads.

Go on.

Barry instructs Zeisz.

"Get that 38.

"Just get that and the scorp."

It looks like he's not scared to use

it as he tells Sean,

"I reckon we blaze both gaffs."

"Just wait for them to run out"

Yeah.

"..and when they do, just do them."

It sounds like he wants

to sh**t him, dunnit?

He certainly does. And Sean

seems to agree - "100%", he says.

Good morning, everyone.

This who were looking to arrest

this morning, Niall Barry.

He was arrested initially on

suspicion of

the m*rder of Ashley Dale.

However, he is to be arrested

in relation

to a significant drug conspiracy.

He's also to be arrested

for conspiracy to possess a firearm

without certificate and conspiracy

to commit GBH.

What channel are we on?

Six, isn't it?

Yes. Niall Barry.

So it's N-I-A-L-L.

Get your cameras on.

It's open. It's open.

Property-wise, you say you've just

got cash on you,

is that all you've got?

I've got £120 in my pocket.

No problem. OK.

Right. OK.

Boss, we've got Barry.

Sean Zeisz, the man who was with

Barry on the night of Ashley's

m*rder, is also arrested.

Away from me, mate.

Eh, eh! Don't be making threats in

here.

Tell you that now.

Don't be making threats in here.

This interview is being digitally

audio recorded.

Is your lifestyle funded from you

selling drugs, Niall?

Quantities we have attributed

to yourself are 22.25kg of cocaine,

2.5kg of heroin and 27kg of cannabis.

You're also arrested for conspiracy

to possess a firearm

without a certificate and also

conspiracy to commit GBH.

Have you got any knowledge

of firearms at all, Niall?

Sean Zeisz, that's a friend of yours,

isn't it?

He's someone you do business

with nowadays.

You ever heard the term

"scorp" before, Sean?

Firearms expert suggested

that's a Czechoslovakian self-loading

p*stol.

And then you say, "He's gonna have

to get it, ain't he?"

He's going to have to get what?

He's got to get what's coming to him?

"I reckon we blaze both gaffs

"..sh**t at both gaffes and wait for

them to run out.

"When they do, just do them."

Is that you planning an attack

on the individuals responsible

..for stealing your bike?

Not just an attack, a firearms

attack.

Have we got anything wrong

there at all?

Sean, anything you want to add?

And the interview's now at an end.

Boss, the CPS have got back to us

about Barry and Zeisz.

Ellison's emailed me to say

he's had a look.

He's happy to charge with all

the offences that we thought.

Brilliant!

I want the family to know

first about the arrests

before anything goes out.

Yeah? Thank you.

No problem, no worries.

Right, OK, Sean.

Sean? Yeah.

Can you hear me, mate?

Yeah. Right, OK.

You conspired together with other

persons to supply

a quantity of cocaine - a controlled

drug of class A.

Is there any reply?

No reply.

You conspired together with other

persons to have in your possession

firearms, namely revolvers

and self-loading pistols.

And that's contrary to section 1-1

of the Criminal Law Act '77.

Any reply? No. No.

The charges for Barry and Zeisz

is fantastic news

at this stage of the m*rder

investigation, because what it means

is they will be remanded

into custody, which ultimately takes

them off the streets.

And just sign here for us, please.

The focus now at all levels across

the team

is for Witham and Peers that remain

on police bail and prove their

involvement in Ashley's m*rder.

Your bodycam's rolling, isn't it?

Police responding to an incident

in St Helens

make an unexpected discovery.

While I'm here, I'm just going to

check that, because there's

one outstanding for a very

serious offence.

Yep, that's the one.

There's a marker on in relation

to Ashley Dale's m*rder.

It's the vehicle linked for that.

Don't go anywhere near it.

I knew it was.

It's on a false plate.

And it's on a false plate.

The Hyundai Fastback is examined

for any evidence

that may link it to the sh**ting.

It's weird seeing it in person.

I've been looking at on CCTV for

weeks and weeks and weeks.

I know, yeah. I know.

Yeah, I'm amazed it's not on a boat

to China.

Fingers crossed they'll find

something that connects

Witham and Peers to this car.

Detectives analyse call data from

phones used by the suspects

on the night of Ashley's m*rder.

Morning, boss. I've just gone

through the CCTV and the telecoms,

and we've produced a sequence

of events.

We've got some CCTV of Joseph Peers

going to the local shop

next to the flat, where we can see

that Peers purchases a SIM card.

Now, when we done some enquiries,

that SIM card was used

nine minutes later by Barry.

First-ever used.

But that makes some significant

calls later on

in the lead-up to the m*rder.

That's on the CCTV. Obviously, the

two of them have left the flat,

Witham and Peers,

and that's at 2210.

You then see at 2243,

that SIM card attempts to make

a one-second phone call to Witham.

But it's Witham just left the flat?

Yes.

And then you've also got, ten

seconds later, Barry then tries

to speak to Joseph Peers

for two seconds.

So, because he can't get hold of

Witham, he then tries Peers.

He does, yeah.

So, that shows that by that time

they're still together, aren't they?

Yes. Well, he thinks that they're

still together. Yeah.

So, then we move forward.

2310, Sean Zeisz makes a 23-second

phone call to Joseph Peers.

That is about 26 minutes before

the tyres are slashed

on Ashley's vehicle.

You'll see from the cell site at

the time, Witham, just before

the tyres are slashed,

his cell site's within the area

of Ashley Dale's home address.

Wow. God, that's significant,

isn't it? Yeah.

So, we believe that Ashley was

m*rder*d at approximately 0033.

The next phone call we've got

is at 0047.

Sean Zeisz makes two attempts calls

to Joseph Peers.

And then we'll see the first

successful contact at 0059.

So, about 27 minutes after Ashley

was m*rder*d,

and that's Joseph Peers to

Sean Zeisz.

Shortly after that phone call,

Niall Barry is checking the

Liverpool Echo, at 1:01 and 1:03.

At 0125, we're seeing James Whitham

and Joseph Peers

returning to the flat.

Whilst they're still in the flat,

at 0138, now Barry's making

a further Google search on

the Liverpool Echo,

and that continues into the early

hours of the morning.

That is the first press release.

So, that's at 0926.

30 minutes later, now Barry

accesses the Liverpool Echo.

So, basically, we've got now Barry

and Sean Zeisz in that flat,

trying to get hold of the only

two people that have left it. Yes.

James Witham and Joseph Peers.

This could be enough now to charge

the two of them.

Hello. Is it James?

What?

What's your name? James.

You're currently under arrest

for m*rder, all right. What?

You do not have to say anything,

but it may harm your defence

if you don't mention when questioned

something you later rely on

in court. Anything you do say

may be given in evidence.

Just take a seat in there for me,

mate.

Mr Witham, do you know why

you're here?

Do you understand that you've been

arrested on suspicion of m*rder?

The m*rder of Ashley Dale.

Are you staying silent now

because you've been told to?

Who has the type of power to

silence you like that?

So, in your first set of interviews,

we spoke about a vehicle

which was key to the offence, which

was, namely, a grey Hyundai i30.

Do you know anything further about

that vehicle at this point?

No comment.

Merseyside Police have discovered

the grey Hyundai.

So, we've forensically examined

the vehicle, James.

And there's one exhibit that I want

to discuss with you,

which is exhibit reference SM81.

It's a black bottle top from the

rear nearside footwell

of the vehicle.

Your DNA is present on that

bottle top.

To your knowledge, have you and

Joseph, ever shared a bottled drink?

The major DNA profile matches

the reference DNA profile

for Joseph Peers.

So, can you account of how that

has come to be in that car?

No comment.

Because you've been in that car,

simple as that.

No comment.

We're going to move on to some

telecoms evidence.

Mobile phone number which

we've linked to you,

coincidentally, powers down

before the m*rder takes place.

There's Pilch Lane flat.

There's the m*rder scene.

And there's round about where

you were

when you switched your phone off.

Roughly, four-minute journey

in a car.

Do you find that interesting, James?

Because what's interesting,

as well, is your mate,

Joseph Peers, switches his phone off

at about the same time.

And, interestingly,

he switched his back on again

three minutes after Ashley

was m*rder*d.

Why did your phone go silent?

Because it seems to us on the

investigation team that,

well, perhaps you were just about to

go and do something highly ill*gal.

Highly dangerous.

Something that you might get in

a lot of trouble for.

Mr Witham, this is your last chance.

Do you want to tell us

absolutely anything about anything

that we've spelled out here?

Are you protecting the person

who m*rder*d Ashley Dale

with your silence?

Is it easier not to say anything

and take the repercussions,

whatever they may be, than

risk the repercussions of talking?

Or is it that there's

an agreed code of silence?

I've got no further questions.

Nothing from me.

Charge is coming across now.

Dead nervous!

Has it come through?

Right. Brilliant.

Just had the authorities

to charge through from CPS.

So, are you free now

to put those charges on?

Yes. Of course.

I'll put the charge.

Possession of a firearm

and m*rder for both.

Full Code Test applied.

Well done. I know this is a lot

to do, butfantastic result.

I'm just racing out

to the family now.

You all right, James?

So a decision has come back

and you're going to be charged.

First charge is one for m*rder.

On the 21st of August 2022,

at Leinster Road,

Liverpool, Merseyside,

you m*rder*d Ashley Dale,

contrary to common law.

Any reply to that first charge?

No.

You, without the authority of

the Secretary of State,

purchased or acquired a firearm -

namely a Skorpion machine p*stol.

And that's contrary to Section 51A

and Schedule 6

of the Firearms Act 1968.

NEWSREADER: Two men have been

remanded in custody,

charged with the m*rder of

Ashley Dale in Liverpool.

They're due to appear again

at Liverpool Crown Court

later this week.

REPORTER: Thomas Cashman, guilty of

the m*rder of Olivia Pratt-Korbel

Yes!

..guilty, in fact,

on all five counts.

REPORTER: Gasps and tears,

we're told,

from Olivia's family

as the verdicts returned

and Cashman turning back to

his family, shaking his head.

NEWSREADER: We're standing by

for the sentencing

at Manchester Crown Court

of Thomas Cashman,

found guilty of the m*rder of

nine-year-old Olivia Pratt-Korbel.

While we continue to wait for

the sentencing of Thomas Cashman,

there has been a delay

because Thomas Cashman wishes

to be sentenced in his absence.

He is refusing to enter

the courtroom.

Mr Cashman has been brought

to court today

but has refused to come from

the cells to be sentenced.

I am therefore left with no choice

but to sentence him in his absence.

I now pronounce the sentence.

On count one, for the m*rder

of Olivia Pratt-Korbel,

the sentence will be

life imprisonment.

The minimum term will be 42 years

Oh! ..plus the time the defendant

has already spent on remand.

CHEERING

42 years, that's a huge

minimum sentence,

which means that he will be 76

before he's got any chance

of being released.

My thanks go to the witnesses

who bravely assisted

the prosecution case

and defied the usual stance of

"People do not grass."

Today's sentence will never

bring Olivia back.

I hope that the sentence of 42 years

given to Thomas Cashman today

will act as a deterrent for anyone

who thinks of picking up a g*n

and putting our communities at risk

through their reckless behaviour.

Thank you. Thank you all.

We're going to head over that way.

REPORTER: On the streets

of Liverpool

is a family determined

to make itself heard.

Hi! Would you like to support

our online petition today

to support Face the Family? It's to

make offenders to stand up in court

and face the family

rather than hiding themselves.

They're calling for a change

in the law to force criminals

to attend their sentencing.

Basically, do you remember

little Olivia?

It's that lady, isn't it? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

That's Liv, and I'm her sister.

Trying to get as many signatures

as we can,

make this change in the law,

not so much to look him in the eye -

because I knew he wouldn't look me

in the eye -

but for him to hear the pain

that we went through,

the pain that he caused.

PRODUCER: And what was it like

for you when he didn't?

It was like a punch in the stomach.

Hi, guys. Would you like to help

sign our petition, please?

Face the Family campaign.

Get offenders into the dock.

Going to prison is supposed

to be a rehabilitation.

That first port of call

of rehabilitation

should be in that courtroom.

Actions speak louder than words,

and we said we were going to

make a noise

and that's exactly

what we're doing today.

NEWSREADER: Four men

have each been told

that they will spend

more than 40 years in prison

for murdering Ashley Dale

in Liverpool last August.

REPORTER: The prosecution saying

this was a deliberate and merciless

intent to k*ll, that James Whitham

and Joseph Peers were dispatched

to assassinate Lee Harrison

and leave no witnesses.

REPORTER: Niall Barry, the main

instigator of the sh**ting,

got life with a minimum of 47 years.

g*nman James Witham

will serve at least 43 years,

another plotter, Sean Zeisz,

42 years,

and getaway driver Joseph Peers,

41 years.

As James Witham stormed into

Ashley's home that night,

wearing a balaclava, firing from

a Skorpion submachine g*n,

he took away Ashley, an ambitious,

bubbly, charismatic young woman -

the community rocked,

her family and friends

left devastated.

Whilst they will never get over

losing their Ashley,

following today's results,

I and the rest of the team hope

they will find some comfort

in the knowledge

that those responsible will spend

the rest of their lives behind bars.

The biggest thing

that came out for me in the court

was that this feud that had been

going on with the defendant

and Ashley's boyfriend, Lee, Ashley

had major anxietiesover it.

And that came out in court and

we didn't know anything about it.

And that That is probably

one of the hardest parts for me,

that me and Ashley were so close,

but she didn't feel able to come

and talk about them anxieties

that she had.

I don't think for one minute

she thought that

something this serious would happen,

cos who would?

Who would think that someone is

going to burst into your home

at half past midnight at night

and fire 15 shots? No-one.

It doesn't happen, it's not

heard of, but it's happened to us.

PRODUCER: What was it like

reading out

your victim impact statement

in court?

I felt like that was my only chance

to be able to speak to the defendant

and look them in the eye and tell

them what they've done to my family.

And I addressed James Witham

by name

when I told him that I hope he sees

my baby girl's face every night

when he goes to sleep

and he walked out the dock.

Why do you think he walked out

of the dock?

Cos he knew what he'd done

and, yeah, he couldn't take it.

He couldn't face it.

A couple of months after

this happened to Ashley,

her work colleagues thought about

doing, like, a tribute.

We thought the park where she loved

coming would be a perfect place,

somewhere to come

and remember Ashley.

She was my daughter. She was,

you know, very important to me.

Sorry.

She loved life.

She just brought joy to us

all the time.

Losing her, it's just left a hole

in our family.

It's just a hole

that will never be filled.

Hi. Morning. Morning. How are you?

Yeah, not too bad. I'm Rishi.

Cheryl. Very nice to see you,

Cheryl. Nice to meet you.

REPORTER: This was the day

Cheryl Korbel's determination

to secure her daughter's legacy

brought her

to the Prime Minister's door.

For the person responsible not to

show up to his sentencing hearing

is just profoundly wrong.

It's not It's not right.

And I could see all the emotion

that you had put into

your impact statement.

And it's not an easy thing to do.

This is the thing.

Like, after you have put all of that

of yourself into it,

for him to just take

the easy way out

and then not have to hear that

and face up to what he's done,

it just It isn't right.

And that's why today,

we're announcing

that we're going to change that.

So it won't be possible any longer

for people like him

to take the coward's way out.

When the Prime Minister met

Cheryl Korbel today, he was able

to pledge that the change in the law

that she and other families

have been campaigning for

will now take place.

Under new rules, judges

will be able to force offenders

to attend sentencing hearings.

Some flowers.

Boss, isn't it?

Yeah.

She's done a boss job of that,

hasn't she?

This is fab. The flowers

The colours are gorgeous as well.

This is Olivia's butterfly garden.

The butterfly was a workshop

that was done in school,

the kids from St Margaret Mary's.

A lot of them were Olivia's friends.

And I thought it would help

the children to remember Liv.

It's everything that Liv loved -

butterflies, the flowers,

the music notes.

It's so peaceful.

The minute you walk through

the gates,

it's like a ton weight's

been lifted.

You often get a butterfly

or a robin that comes down,

so I feel as though she's here

as well.

PRODUCER: Why is changing the law

important to you?

We see it as Olivia's Law.

For her to be remembered.

Erm She'll never

be forgotten anyway.

I couldn't help her that night

..and I managed

..the change of law in her name.

It's big.