00x02 - Behind the Gates: The Fugal Factor

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- TRAVIS: Hey, look, UAP, right there!
- KALEB: What the...

It came right out of the mesa.

MATTY: New heights of
phenomenal high strangeness

have already occurred
during season five

ofThe Secret of
Skinwalker Ranch.

- What on Earth is that?
- MATTY: So, tonight,

we'll meet with ranch owner
Brandon Fugal to find out

more about what drove
him to pursue this mystery...

BRANDON: This
is pretty incredible,

and it's all being documented.

MATTY: what has
shocked him the most so far...

- BRANDON: Oh, my gosh.
- MATTY: and what we can expect

as this incredible
investigation continues.

They're going to have some
real eye-opening experiences

this year.

♪

Brandon Fugal, thank
you so much for doing this.

It's good to be with you, Matty.

Well, it's good to be
welcomed onto the ranch.

It's just a phenomenal
place, and I want

to dig into it with you.

The discoveries
so far in season five

are almost too
much to comprehend.

I'm wondering how
you're making sense of it.

Yeah, I think some people
are going to need therapy

as a result, because it
is going to force people

to reevaluate the way
they look at our world.

What we have continued
to document here

and what the team
has been experiencing

is nothing short
of extraordinary.

A lot of fans are
curious, I think...

on the surface of
things, you seem like

an unlikely person
to be doing this,

a high-profile
real estate person.

Sure. It's hard for people
to process, understandably.

Uh, these are frontier topics.

And, in representing
Fortune 500 companies

and leading the
largest commercial

real estate operation
in the region,

I was very, very sensitive

to the fact that my
ownership of the ranch

may be met with some concern.

How does someone
like you get into this?

Well, growing up with
those age-old questions:

where did we come
from? Why are we here?

Where are we going? Yeah.

I had a very
religious upbringing.

I'm an active member of
the Church of Jesus Christ

of Latter-day Saints,
served a mission.

In fact, my senior companion,

first missionary
in the mission field,

was none other than
Dragon, or Bryant Arnold.

I was raised as a Christian,

but as part of the
Latter-day Saint faith,

to believe that there are
worlds without number,

that we're not alone
in the universe,

and that we are part of
a divinely constructed,

intelligently designed reality.

Little did I know

that theology
would be consistent,

at least in my view,
and in alignment

with much of what
we are documenting

and experiencing here
today at Skinwalker Ranch.

- Yeah.
- I acquired Skinwalker Ranch

as a skeptic, but as an
open-minded skeptic,

and o-of course, am
now an experiencer.

- Mm.
- It's not a function of belief.

I've had my own
undeniable experiences

with multiple
witnesses at my side.

TRAVIS: What's going on, Erik?

Travis, you-you got to see this.

TRAVIS: Okay, well,
there's the lasers.

- Yeah, I'm doing an instant playback.
- TRAVIS: Oh.

- Do you see this?
- Yeah.

Wow. What the crap is that?

BRANDON: It's moving.

It's moving way too
fast for it to be a satellite.

ERIK: This thing's
really clipping along.

BRANDON: Oh, my gosh.

It disappeared. Can
you replay that, please?

- Yeah.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

BRANDON: That's insane.

-I have great empathy for those
who are also experiencers, -Same.

That have seen phenomena
that they cannot deny

- Yeah.
- And have the courage to come forward.

And it does take courage.

- Yes, it does.
- Even today,

where you have
Congress holding hearings

where you have some of our
most decorated fighter pilots,

radar technicians, law
enforcement coming forward

with the reality of what
they've experienced,

there is still a stigma
associated with these topics.

- Yeah.
- And I think

that what we're doing
here at Skinwalker Ranch

is-is breaking down
that stigma and bringing

a-a true scientific,
critical thinking approach

to the table.

Do you remember your
first powerful experience

where you thought to yourself,

"Whoa, there could
be something here"?

Yeah. This setting brings
it all back home to me.

October 14th, 2016

was when it all changed
for me personally,

where I went from being
an open-minded skeptic

to a full-on experiencer.

-Mm. -This Homestead Two

was the site of
some strange activity

that was followed
by a UFO sighting

- right above the mesa plateau.
- Mm.

That, uh, changed my entire
perspective and worldview.

Wow.

Do you mind going
into that a little bit?

Exactly what
happened, what you saw

- and-and how it changed you?
- [chuckles]: Yeah.

One of the security personnel
that was there for the day

started yelling.

He was raising his hands up
in the air, waving all around.

So I watched where
he was pointing,

right up ahead, and sure enough,

right above the mesa,
right ahead of us,

was a 40 to 50-foot-long

silver-greyish disc-like object

in broad daylight.

-This was not some
blinking light or some -Yeah.

Fuzzy object in the sky.

This was clear as
day, right in front of us,

and it proceeded to maneuver

in some of the most erratic
and extraordinary ways.

The whole event
lasted about 20 seconds,

but that 20 seconds
of observing that UFO...

with multiple witnesses

who I had not met
before that day...

completely changed my worldview

- Wow.
- And my perspective

relative to Skinwalker Ranch.

Well, it's-it's a
fascinating story,

and-and, uh... and this
happened right near here?

Right, just, uh,

- not too far down this path.
- Wow.

Do you still think about it
every time you drive by there?

- Most of the time.
- Yeah.

It's interesting
to reflect back on,

because it triggered so much.

I mean, it was
the catalyst behind

significant investment
and, I think, another phase

of investigation that
continues to this day.

Well, there's
another major catalyst

Well, there's
another major catalyst

that happened around 2016,

and I want to talk
about that next.

Great.

In 2016,

an investigation of
Skinwalker Ranch

that was once partially funded
by the federal government

came to an end.

And that's when
Brandon Fugal stepped in.

Brandon, what did
you know exactly

about Robert Bigelow

and what he was
doing here on the ranch?

I'd been told that this had
been part of a Pentagon-funded

black-budget program

studying the UFO phenomena,

high strangeness,
even cattle mutilations,

but had dismissed it as
really having any reality.

I thought it was just
another intriguing property.

But in 2015,

two scientists that
had been involved

with a previous endeavor
reached out to me

with a very intriguing proposal

to meet not only Mr. Bigelow

but potentially acquire
Skinwalker Ranch.

I couldn't pass
up the opportunity

to meet someone who not
only had a very intriguing history,

and was very successful
in real estate as well,

but someone who had spent
hundreds of millions of dollars

to develop his own
private space program.

- Couldn't pass that up.
- No. Couldn't pass it up,

but I told them, when
they reached out,

that I was skeptical.

That I would be approaching

the potential purchase
as an open-minded skeptic.

As someone who had never
seen a UFO, a ghost, orb,

or anything of the sort,

I felt I brought a level
of skepticism to the table

that they were not,
uh, fully expecting.

If I may follow up on
that, what is it about you...

why was that important
to you to get to that truth

- of whatever it was?
- Well, at the time,

I'd gone through a
faith crisis of sorts.

I was questioning
a lot of things.

I was questioning any
claims of a paranormal

or extraordinary nature

because what I
had found in the past

was that if you apply
the scientific method

and critical thinking,

you typically can
unmask most grand claims

as having a natural,
prosaic explanation.

I didn't think that
Skinwalker Ranch

was any different.

What were your impressions

of Mr. Bigelow when
you first met him?

I was very impressed
with Mr. Bigelow

and continue to be.

Anyone who is
willing to take the risk

and put their own professional
reputation on the line

and their own
money and resources

in service to
studying these topics

- has my respect.
- Yeah.

He has been doing
some interviews recently,

um, in which he's commented
on everything from black ops

and secret funding
and things like that,

so he's come out
of his investigation

clearly believing he
knows some answers.

BRANDON: When I
acquired the ranch,

Mr. Bigelow was not
willing to turn over anything

because of both confidentiality
and the classified nature

of what had gone before,
which I understood.

- Sure.
- You know, it was at that time

that I was able to
introduce my own team,

my own security,
my own personnel.

And with that, we
ushered in a new era

of investigation and research
here at Skinwalker Ranch.

Could you kind of run
through that original team

and why you picked who you
did and what they brought to bear?

You have our principal
investigator Erik Bard,

an accomplished
plasma physicist.

You have Thomas
Winterton, who brings expertise

as a general contractor

and the challenging
aspects of the property

that we have to deal with from
a physical facility standpoint.

- Right.
- You have Jim Morse,

who has a
decades-long relationship

with the Native American
peoples and tribes.

I've seen Jim raise
millions of dollars

for Native American causes.

And his community
relationships and his focus

brings another dimension

to the investigation
and the research here.

We've also had Kandus Linde

- and Tom Lewis.
- Yeah.

BRANDON: Kandus is a published,

credentialed anthropologist.

And having Tom's expertise

as a technology professional
has also helped us.

Kaleb.

The word that comes to mind
relative to Kaleb is "imposing."

Think about it.

Kaleb Bench is not only active

with our investigation
here on the ranch

but he is also active
law enforcement,

is a retired Marine.

And of course, Dragon.

You know, Dragon brings
a hands-on approach

with taking this
research to another level.

That diversified, dynamic
approach differentiates

this project and this program

apart from everything else
that you've seen come before.

And it has been an
eye-opening experience

not only for me but
for the entire team

and the participants with
this documentary effort.

Speaking of this team, as
the phenomenon has grown,

so has the team,
including Dr. Travis Taylor.

And that's exactly what
I want to get into next...

what that's been like and how
it's affected what you're doing

- documenting this search.
- You bet.

Son one of The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch

was launched in 2020,
it brought the world

into an intense
scientific investigation,

which revealed some of the most

shocking phenomena
ever documented.

Brandon, to that end,
as things ramped up here

on the ranch, you
brought in Dr. Travis Taylor.

Talk about that decision
and what he has brought.

I think it's important to
note that not only had

Dr. Travis Taylor
worked with NASA

and the Department of
Defense on numerous projects,

but he is also a
respected experimentalist.

And he recently
revealed that he was

the Pentagon's chief scientist
for the UAP Task Force.

This only underscores how
credible and how important

his role has been

in helping us advance
the investigation.

Absolutely. And the finds you
have made have been stunning,

but there are a lot
of legends, also,

that aren't as much nut
and bolts UFOs or UAPs

as it is, say, Native
American lore and legend.

And that's been
captured as well.

How has the data, the actual
scientific data you found,

matched up maybe, potentially
with some of those legends?

Well, the cultural history of
the area has kept this ranch

steeped in legend
and mystery for so long.

Now, separating
fact from fiction,

relative to the legends
and a lot of the ongoing lore,

has been, also, a
challenging part of our effort.

- We'll listen with reverence.
- Sure.

BRANDON: In service to respecting
the cultural heritage of this area,

we've brought Native
American tribal leaders

and spiritual leaders
to the property

to work with the team.

To not only bless the land
and be part of the research

but to help bring insight
and a level of respect

to the nature of what
we are dealing with here.

Okay.

- Wow.
- Thank you very much for that.

Yeah, that's been an incredible
journey, too, to watch that.

Like, I'm thinking
of that incredible

drum circle ceremony you had

when it seemed the mesa
was actually responding directly

- to a Native American ceremony.
- Right.

Guys, if you're ready to go,

whenever you want to start.

JOHN: Okay, let's go.

-[vocalizing] -BRANDON: With
the Blazing Bear drum experiment,

for example, you had
resonance, you had frequency

that played a key role.

You also had a spiritual
element, and I think that all

works together to help
stimulate the phenomenon.

- TRAVIS: Right there.
- ERIK: Yep.

TRAVIS: Well, when
they started singing,

the temperature
literally changed.

Look at the top of the mesa!

Erik, you should see
this. This is fascinating.

Right there, that's
where the stone circle is.

And it's heating up.
Look how hot it's getting.

You know, that's a perfect segue

to what I want to talk
about next, because

- there are a lot of Native American legends.
- Yeah.

Can you talk about some of
those more ethereal legends?

Native American people in
the area, the Indigenous people,

have spoken of
portals, or wormholes

to other dimensions,
other worlds occurring

here on the property
and around the property.

JONATHAN: We believe
that it's very possible

that different frequencies

can open portals
to other places.

BRANDON: There is compelling
evidence in the Uinta Basin.

Carvings in rocks
showing portals.

We are looking for proof
to support what we see

within these carvings.

This has been one
of the most exciting

elements of our investigation.

KANDUS: Look at this.

BRANDON: There may
be portals, or transit between

our world and other worlds,
or other dimensions of reality.

We've actually had
stories involving UAPs

that have entered

into mesas...

and just gone
right into the rock.

How about this
notion of-of a portal

or an entrance into
another dimension?

I mean, it sounds outlandish,

but yet stories don't
seem so much like stories

when you start
pulling out hard events

or-or indications
scientifically that this thing,

there might be
something to this.

I mean, what, what
explanation would one have

for the GPS anomalies?

Some of the very
strange activity

and the electromagnetic
anomalies that occur

above the property,
even above the triangle.

Well, a lot of it
really does point to

a phenomenon

that may involve portals.

I have some video footage
taken from the vantage point

of the helicopter that we
all need to get eyes on.

BRANDON: To actually
see this last year...

a bright, luminous
object entering the mesa

and also exiting the mesa.

We hope to get to
the bottom of that.

Brandon, we've been
talking about your past,

the past as it
relates to the ranch.

But I want to look now
to the future, and I'd like

to get your thoughts on
where this might all be heading,

and if we finally will
have an answer to

- the secret of Skinwalker Ranch.
- You bet.

I we've witnessed so far

on The Secret of
Skinwalker Ranch,

what might we look forward to

coming from above
or below in the future?

Brandon, it's almost
incomprehensible to look at

the data you have found
here in your investigation,

but what might the future hold

as we're this far
into season five?

Well, I think uncovering
the secrets that lie

in the mesa will drive a
large part of our investigation.

Also, better understanding
what we are experiencing

in the airspace and
even the environment.

But also, a lot of what
has been documented

moving in and out of
this very mysterious place,

I think, warrants
further investigation.

Do you see a
potential connection?

I mean, we're
sitting at the base

of-of the mesa, for all
intents and purposes,

very close to where the
drilling operation went through.

And we know that
Homestead Two here

has a lot of activity,
along with the triangle.

Are you starting to
now believe that this is

a solid connection
between these hot spots?

- Absolutely.
- Wow.

BRANDON: The exotic material

that we've extracted
from the mesa...

Check this out.

And the strange
incidents that continue

to attend drilling activity...

Wow! Look at all the metal.

Only serves to drive
our investigation forward.

I expect to get
results in the future

relative to the answers
of what lies beneath,

but we're also probing
the area above the triangle.

The anomaly, as many
people call it, is real.

TRAVIS: There's
something in the sky,

above the rocket right here.

BRANDON: Something
is in the airspace

above the triangle.

Something that is cloaked.

Something that is powerful
and transient in nature.

I think understanding
and documenting

and zeroing in on exactly
what we are dealing with

is going to be a key part
of the future investigation.

We may be looking at the
anomaly for the first time, guys.

We also have other
regions of the ranch

that lie uninvestigated
that warrant, I think,

some further
investigation and research.

The south field, a
lot of the more dense

area of the property,
and some of the area

that is covered by water.
We have the Dry Gulch Creek

that has been the site of some
very intriguing phenomena.

It's been a real eye-opening
experience to have naturalists

and even people from
the Hutchings Museum out

and to see how, really,
the mystery has only grown

that much greater.

Every hot spot continues
to exhibit strange activity,

and we've seen some of
our most exciting events

occur just in the
last few months.

A final question, Brandon.

[sighs]

After five years, five
seasons documenting

this scientific inquiry,

everything you've found,
how it's affected you personally

and as a businessman,
are you happy you did it?

Or are you feeling maybe
you've kicked a hornet's nest?

I feel gratitude.

I'm grateful

to be a part
of this incredible effort.

I believe that what
we are documenting here

at Skinwalker Ranch
for the first time

is going to result in a seismic
shift in the way people view

our world and our place
in the cosmos.

Amazing. Well,
I'll speak for fans and say

we feel gratitude to you
for letting us on the ranch

and letting us follow
this incredible investigation.

Well, it's a privilege,
and I look forward to

the greatest revelations
to come.

Well, you heard from
the man himself. Stay tuned.

It's only going to get
more strange as season five

of The Secret of
Skinwalker Ranchcontinues.

Thanks for watching,
have a great night.