[man] Whether you believe in
the monster or not,
it would be a strong-willed person
who could pass by Loch Ness
without keeping an eye out
for something extraordinary.
[wobbles voice]
I can't see nothing.
Where are you, you big hairy monster?
Come and have a look at Father Jim.
-What have you really seen so far, Jim?
-Oh, oh, it's a m-- It's a mon--
Oh, it's Phil. Hello.
-Hi.
-Naughty Nessie is not coming out today.
You naughty Nessie!
Have you seriously seen
anything of interest out there?
Yes, she was about 17,
and she had long legs
and long, blonde hair.
But she wasn't a monster.
[Phil Tibbenham] For years,
scientists have had theories
that there is some sort of monster here.
[Savile] There's not one monster
but several monsters.
But they ain't gonna come out today.
'Cause another thing monsters do,
they don't like opposition.
[gentle music playing]
[Meirion Jones] My investigation
into Jimmy Savile began by chance.
My aunt ran Duncroft,
a youth detention center.
Savile arrives when I'm probably about 16.
He kept turning up.
I thought it was strange.
In the '90s, I became a journalist.
At that point, I was working at the BBC.
Radio news.
I remember talking with other people,
celebrity gossip.
Sometimes you heard "Savile,"
"underage girls."
I would say,
"Where do you know that from?"
And you'd try and see
whether that led anywhere.
But when I tried to track them down,
I could never find a witness or a victim.
The trail went blank
when you tried to follow it.
-Tomato juice or whatever, is it?
-Good idea, yes.
Good morning, all.
[Meirion Jones] Back then,
I thought it was simple.
We just had to get
the evidence to catch him.
I didn't realize
the whole world around him had to change
before the truth could come out.
[siren blaring]
[man] Each Monday at ten,
a siren sounds over 15 miles of Berkshire,
testing the alarm
in case of an escape from Broadmoor.
It opened in 1863
as an asylum for criminal lunatics.
Today's siren call is for change.
For the past seven months,
a task force has been setting up
a stronger therapeutic regime.
Its chairman is Jimmy Savile.
So there's many people say,
"How come a showbiz punter
is doing a job like this at the world's
number one mental hospital?"
[bell ringing]
[men shouting]
Well, I was very surprised
when he was actually--
Virtually had the run of the place,
though he was obviously not qualified
in any psychiatric way.
A sort of honorary
president of the place.
[Savile] Some years ago,
in my copious fan mail,
I got a notice telling me
that I was an honorary member
of Nutters Incorporated.
It's now non-existent,
but it was a club then,
run by some of the patients
at the world-famous Broadmoor Hospital.
And this letter said,
"Dear Jim, you are one of us,
we have sussed that."
"We would like you
to be an honorary member."
So I turned into a special friend,
and I've been there for 17 years now.
[woman] Miles from the nearest town.
Murderers, serial K*llers,
paranoid schizophrenia,
where they'd have voices in their head.
These were people considered--
Their mental condition was such
that they shouldn't be in prison,
they should be in a hospital.
At the time, I was an investigative
reporter for The Sunday Times.
I was rung up and told about the story
of these two identical twins,
who had never spoken
to their parents, teachers,
no other school children.
They seemed to take a vow of silence.
But it became more and more sinister.
[sirens wailing]
[Marjorie Wallace]
They went on a six-week spree
of arson.
They set fire to three buildings,
which landed them in Broadmoor.
The twins wanted me to be their voice.
I would go six, seven,
eight times a year to visit them.
Jimmy Savile, I met only once.
I'm sitting there,
June and Jennifer
on either side, we're having our tea,
and suddenly this figure
jumps onto the table,
one of the other tables,
and then onto ours,
with this sort of silky shell suit
in bright colors,
with sparkly trainers, gold rings.
He then looks at the girls,
June and Jennifer,
and he looks at them,
and there's something very strange.
And he says, "I'll have you first."
"I'll have you second."
-[man] Morning, Jim.
-[Savile] Morning, team.
-All right, Jim?
-How are you? All right?
[woman] Governing Broadmoor's
a responsible position.
Without any formal qualifications,
how well suited are you for this position?
I have got very formal qualifications.
I've been alive for a long time. I've
learned a lot of things for a long time.
I know how things are done,
and I've done things for a long time…
[Marjorie Wallace] I got in touch
with the Department of Health.
I wrote to the minister, Edwina Currie.
I said, "I'm very worried
about Jimmy Savile,
and how much he could disturb
some of these
extremely disturbed, vulnerable people."
I remember I didn't really get anywhere.
He was too important.
It had been decided.
He was going to be the savior.
[whistle blows]
[Marjorie Wallace] This great liberator
of this frightening institution.
We are a great listening hospital.
We listen to people.
I listen to nurses. I listen to doc--
I listen to porters, to drivers.
I listen to everybody.
[Marjorie Wallace] He was given
his own suite of apartments
and his own key.
Access at any time.
They trusted him.
He'd raised over £40 million
for Stoke Mandeville.
Edwina Currie
was absolutely bedazzled by him.
Everyone was bedazzled by him.
He was like a conjurer.
He mesmerized people.
Jimmy Savile had inordinate power.
[sinister music playing]
[Savile] Look at that.
That is supposed to be me, that.
What did I ever do to you
that you would draw that picture of me?
-[female patient] Everything.
-[Savile gasps]
Super times. Super times for all.
No danger about--
If you don't work in a hospital,
you're really missing something.
In fact, you're missing everything.
[Parkinson] You spend
a lot of time in hospitals.
-[Savile] They are my favorite places.
-[Parkinson] And Leeds.
[Savile] General Infirmary, Leeds,
and a favorite of mine,
Broadmoor Hospital.
[Parkinson] But you're dealing, of course,
mixing with some of the most
dangerous and violent criminals in--
No, they're not criminals.
No, you've got to decide
between the mad and the bad,
which is a simplification
in terms, but if you--
[Parkinson] They're criminals in the sense
that they've broken the law.
Well, yes, but there are people
who break the law knowingly
'cause they're in full possession
of their faculties,
and people who create something,
which is a breaking of the law,
when they were possessed
by something or somebody,
some evil spirit or whatever.
It sounds a bit dramatic,
but that's an easy way of describing it.
So they're not criminals in that sense.
They are patients that need treatment.
[woman] Over the years,
I have treated many people
who have carried out offenses
that are very disturbing.
In my experience of assessing and treating
many, many such individuals
over the last 25 years,
they themselves feel
the only way
for them to benefit from treatment
is to also be punished.
And their attitude tends to be,
"Thank goodness I was caught
because I couldn't stop myself."
The General Infirmary at Leeds has been
my second home for over two decades.
-I am a voluntary helper.
-[man] Yeah.
-Sometimes I help the lads.
-Yeah.
And sometimes, when nobody's looking,
I help the lasses.
And we just dodge around,
and I become very useful
if they have a patient
who would need my specialty.
[laughs]
There's 5,000 quid
I got from running a marathon…
[Carine Minne]
Not getting caught is a disaster.
Tonight sees the 1,000th edition
of Top of the Pops.
Ladies and gentlemen, how are you?
We're surrounded by loveliness.
Tell 'em what's happening…
[Carine Minne] What happens to the person
who commits crime
over a hugely long period of time?
[man] 25 years of Top of the Pops!
Jim'll Fix It
starts up again on Saturdays.
[Carine Minne]
I would say that they're actually
triumphant at getting away with it.
That there's something terribly exciting
about being able
to pull the wool over people's eyes,
to be able to deceive people.
If you go to South Kirkby,
some of the old miners, when you say,
"Jimmy Savile's done well, hasn't he?"
He'll look around, and he'll say,
-"He's not what you think, you know."
-[laughter]
"The forces of darkness
are at work there."
[laughter]
[Carine Minne] It fuels
the sense of triumphalism,
the omnipotence.
[Andrew Neil] What has prompted you
to devote so much time to charity?
What should I do?
Sit and look at the wall?
Just 'cause I like it.
I don't really
have to justify why I like it.
All I can say is that
I've been at Stoke and Broadmoor Hospital,
Leeds Infirmary for about 28 years,
purely as a voluntary worker.
I do it 'cause I love it unashamedly.
And 28 minutes is a gimmick, but 28 years…
You've gotta like it
to stick it for 28 years.
[applause]
[Andrew Neil] Jimmy Savile
was a huge figure,
but he was also an enigma.
I had been
with The Economist for ten years.
I made documentaries for the BBC.
I was editor of The Sunday Times
of London for 11 years.
He'd never been interviewed
by somebody like me.
I suspected there was something amiss.
Being a DJ, of course,
didn't just bring you fame,
it brought you girls. Lots of girls.
-Did it?
-Well, I think it did.
-You said it did.
-Goodbye. Nice to see you.
-Maybe too many to remember?
-Eh?
Are we talking about a life,
in the '60s and '70s, of lots of lovers?
That's a long time ago. I've forgotten.
[audience laughs]
[Andrew Neil] We had found nobody
who had done a kiss-and-tell,
and I should stress
that the people doing the research
were hard-bitten tabloid journalists.
He said he had all these women
chasing him. He had all these girlfriends.
But our research team
couldn't find a single woman,
girl, teenager he had dated.
Not one.
I never have been a grass.
A gentleman never grasses
on ladies he's ever--
We're not asking for names.
We just wanna know if you live this,
sort of, playboy life of a DJ.
Yeah, give or take a few nice ladies.
[laughter]
Why have you shied away
from close relationships?
I'm quite happy
to have a few close relationships tonight
if anybody's not spoken for.
Why, in the past,
have you avoided close relationships?
'Cause I've never been in the same town
more than 48 hours at any one time.
It's just the lifestyle I've got.
It's not my fault.
Have relationships and sex--
-Eh?
-…been casual?
[laughter]
-He mentioned the s-word.
-[raucous laughter]
We had to get to it eventually.
-Did you?!
-Well…
Ooh, you're talking to the wrong guy here.
Mr. "No Grass" here.
We never see them.
Never even a snapped picture--
-Me too.
-[laughter]
-They don't really exist, do they?
-Me too!
-Not really, no. No.
-They don't really exist.
No, they don't. I told you I was boring.
But is it just a façade?
-All the playboy image?
-Yes. Yes.
-Yes, I'm very--
-Or is that answer part of the façade?
No, no. [laughs]
-You ca-- You can't win here.
-[laughter]
There you go.
It's all part of a façade, and…
[hesitates]
…I am very boring.
Thank God.
[Andrew Neil] The only woman we could find
that had played
any part in his life was his mother.
And the more we looked at it,
the more it seemed he had a rather
unhealthy relationship with his mother.
You called her The Duchess.
We spoke to your sister, Joan Johnson.
When he was young,
I think it was when he was so ill,
Mother really became attached to him,
and he became attached to Mother.
He idolized Mum.
[woman] When he was
two and a half years old,
he fell out of his pram.
He was very, very seriously ill.
In fact, the doctor said…
In the end, he said,
"Well, I won't come again,
Mrs. Savile," he said,
"Let me know when Jimmy dies,
and I'll send you the death certificate."
We're great believers in prayer.
Quarter to three, when I was
in the cathedral, immediately
Jimmy went to sleep and woke up normal.
And he's-- If you call him normal now.
[chuckles]
-When she died, you sat with her…
-Yeah. Yeah.
-…for five days.
-That's what it said in the papers.
But the impression we got
was that you sat with her for a long time
because something
very important had happened,
and you wished to come to terms with it.
-I suppose, but it was a bit different--
-So it did happen?
Not really, no.
Not really in the macabre sense.
It was in the good-fun sense because…
-"Fun"?
-…on the Sunday-- Yes.
What was in your mind
when you sat with her?
When she was here,
I had to share her with everybody,
and now I don't
have to share her with everybody
'cause I've got her all on my own now,
so that's all right.
[Alison Bellamy] So this is Jimmy
as a child at Consort Terrace, I believe.
Um…
So this is a rare family photograph,
which in the thir--
1940 it was taken, of the family…
of the Savile family, so his mum and dad.
Jimmy was the youngest of seven,
so he was at home with his mum.
[Savile] Now, listen, sweetheart,
there are seven of us, aren't there?
Yes.
[Savile] I am the last one, right?
[mother] Correct.
[Savile] Was I, as the last one, expected,
or did you think I was an attack of wind?
You were not expected.
Not until-- Even from the August.
-You didn't know I was on the way, then?
-No.
-You didn't really want me, then?
-I wanted you when I knew.
[Savile] Why did you beat me
so much in my youth, then?
-I didn't beat you enough.
-Didn't beat me enough?
Ladies and gentlemen--
Spare the rod and spoil the child.
That was the case with you.
[Alison Bellamy] One with his beloved mum,
The Duchess.
They were a Catholic family.
There's a crucifix.
Church every Sunday
and going to confession and things,
a big part of their lives.
This was his bible.
Little prayer cards.
He's underlined "The greatest gift
of heaven's store, peace,"
and he's underlined "peace."
[church bell ringing]
[Mark Lawson]
I grew up in Leeds as a Catholic.
I do have clear memories
of having seen him
at church.
He was very, very recognizable
and distinctive.
[marching band playing]
I don't think
you can understand Jimmy Savile
without appreciating
that he was a Catholic.
Our church is situated in a fold…
I believe in God because,
if nothing else, it's a good gamble.
If you try to live by a decent code,
a reasonably decent code,
as well as you can manage,
uh, then it's a hope
that when the time comes,
that you go off into,
for the want of a better word,
a life hereafter and a heaven.
There are many sorts of gods.
There's the god, uh,
of…
My-- Of my own god,
who is a god possibly molded
to my own image a little bit
insofar as he suits me.
My god is for me,
and I reckon I've come off best
because my god is a real great guy.
He's, uh…
Great sense of humor.
I must catch him
on his good days, I think.
[applause]
[cheering]
[Mark Lawson] There's a constant theme
in Jimmy Savile's interviews.
People say, "Why do you do
so much charitable work?"
And what he says is,
"When I'm dead and I go to Heaven,
and God and Saint Peter,
they assess my life,
I'll be able to say,
'On this side of the ledger
is all the stuff,
all the money I've raised for charity,
all the lives I've changed.'"
-[starting p*stol fires]
-[cheering]
[man] For the first time in history,
a bishop of Rome
sets foot
on English soil.
[reporter] Appropriately, on an occasion
like this, John Paul II met Jimmy Savile,
well-known for the work
he's done with paraplegics
at Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
[Mark Lawson] Throughout his life, it was,
the more he was doing on the bad side,
the more he had to do on the good side.
I am convinced that
that is how his mind worked
because he's telling you that.
Come Judgment Day,
you, me, I mean, stand up anybody
who was so good they'll walk
straight through the golden gates.
Are there any of you here?
I'd like to meet you.
I think we'll all have a hard time.
Me, when I stand in front of the table
and Saint Peter's there,
and he says, "You are not coming in,"
I'll say, "Why not?"
He'll say, "Cause you're a villain."
He'll show the debit side.
I'll say, "Hang about."
I'll show him the credits.
"Does that mean anything?"
If he says, "That means nothing,"
I'll threaten to break his fingers…
[laughter]
I don't know anybody
who's gonna get an easy ride into Heaven.
-[applause]
-[chattering]
[reporter] Famed for raising millions,
he's been in showbiz a lifetime,
and on his 70th birthday,
he's slowing down but not stopping.
[Savile] 20 years on Top of The Pops,
20 years on Jim'll Fix It.
I'm doing the next 20 as a legend.
[shouting, cheering]
[Meirion Jones] I suspected
that things had gone on.
That there'd been
sexual assaults by Savile.
But we needed evidence.
Most of the evidence is gonna be
the eyewitness accounts of the victims…
who are young,
often vulnerable.
Can we find any victims?
[dial-up tone beeping]
Britain's first dial-a-video service
was unveiled today,
a new way of linking personal computers
through the phone system
to the so-called
"information superhighway."
You can have access to almost anything.
The answer to everything
in the world is on the Net.
[Meirion Jones] Maybe once a year,
if I had time, I'd search for Duncroft.
It was one of those things
on my list of backstories
that I'd return to
and see if I could find anything.
And you couldn't.
There was no references.
In '94, I was the editor
of the Sunday Mirror,
a national newspaper in the UK.
Because the girls were vulnerable
or had troubled backgrounds,
even though I was the editor,
I did actually go to meet them myself
rather than sending somebody else.
They told me Savile would take them out
and have sexual relationships with them
either in his Rolls Royce or in a van.
[Savile] We have all the vehicles
that I could possibly need
to get from A to B,
including my own traveling home.
This is a £6,000-odd motor caravan.
It's not an odd motor caravan!
It's £6,000-odd.
[Paul Connew] In one girl's case only,
she was taken backstage
at one of his programs,
and then taken off to a flat near the BBC,
where Savile had
sexual relationships with her.
And she, at the time, I think,
would have been about 14, from memory.
They were nervous and frightened.
I mean, they had to be coaxed.
One of them said to me that--
This is something I'll never forget.
I can almost remember it verbatim.
"Who's going to believe us,
a pair of former approved school girls,
when Jimmy Savile is, in fact--
Been honored by the pope,
that he's a friend
of Prince Charles and Princess Diana
and Margaret Thatcher."
"You know, who is gonna believe us?"
[bagpipes playing]
[Paul Connew]
I had to tell them candidly that
Savile would be obliged to sue for libel,
so they would also have to
come and testify in the witness box.
But they wanted to see Savile exposed.
[interviewer] You have this image
as a horrid man.
-I didn't know I had that.
-Well-- People are frightened of you.
[George Carman] People are frightened.
[Dominic Carman] By the 1980s,
my father was a very well-known lawyer.
A lawyer whom celebrities used,
and a celebrity in his own right.
My father talked endlessly
and obsessively about his work
and, frankly, little else.
I was aware that he did prominent cases.
He represented a number of politicians,
every newspaper
and television group at one time,
and a range of film stars, pop stars,
TV personalities, and so on.
He acted for Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.
And, I suppose, the most prominent
would be Princess Diana.
What he was best known for was defamation.
Elton John was paid hundreds of thousands
of pounds by Mirror Group Newspapers
for false allegations
in relation to his personal life.
He was a brilliant cross-examiner.
Who would I least like
to be questioned by?
George Carman.
[interviewer] I think the anxiety
many people would have would be that,
in the end,
whose private life would stand up
to a cross-examination by George Carman?
We've all done things
we shouldn't have that we're ashamed of.
Absolutely.
You are exposing any weaknesses
or deficiencies in your own life
for public scrutiny.
Say you have a particularly sleazy client?
Well, certainly all my clients
haven't been angels,
and a few have been far below that.
[Dominic Carman] I once saw my father
with Jimmy Savile
in a hotel in Bournemouth in 1976.
My father went over, said, "Hi,"
and that was it, and we left.
Later, my father made some comment,
which I don't think I either understood
or took terribly seriously,
and it was very much to the effect,
"I could tell you a lot
about Jimmy Savile."
"He's not all he seems to be."
[Paul Connew] We were just about to
literally publish.
The two girls,
the husband of one of them,
he stepped in and said,
"Look, this is gonna be terrible
for the children."
"We've not told the children
anything about this."
"We don't want them
to know about your past."
That was what terrified them.
Once they lost their nerve, that was it.
After we had to acknowledge defeat
that we couldn't do the Savile exposé,
I had a phone call from
a man called George Carman QC.
George phoned me up and said,
"Oh, by the way, Paul,
Jimmy Savile was very pleased
that you're not going ahead
with the story about him."
I said, "George, that's fascinating.
How do you know about it?"
I said, "The only way you can know
about it is via Jimmy Savile himself."
And I said,
"For what it's worth, George, in fact,
I believed everything I've been told
by two girls
about Jimmy Savile's behavior."
"The guy is a pedophile."
Um…
And Carman chuckled and said,
"You may well be right."
Um…
And, uh, that was it.
[producer] Was it not something
you might've told the police?
[Paul Connew] I did, in fact, tell
a fairly senior police officer contact.
He basically said,
"Look, unless we've got clear evidence,
almost film and footage
of these things, it's not--"
"Juries probably won't believe them."
So there was this attitude
of the police at the time,
you know,
of almost a defeatist approach to this.
Police throughout Britain
are discovering more and more cases
of organized child sex abuse.
'Cause, in those days, I suppose,
it's right to say that the police
didn't understand what was going on.
The police service
didn't see it as a problem.
Officers used to say,
"Well, that's a women's job."
Or just, "I don't wanna do that."
"I wanna go on The Flying Squad.
I wanna nick robbers."
"I don't wanna deal with kids."
[man 1] We're police officers.
We have a warrant to search the premises.
[man 2] Sorry to burst in on you
like this.
[reporter] The national index
of pedophiles
now has more than 3,000 names.
[Mike Hames] I can't say how many are
in there. We're too busy to count them.
But I can tell you
that it's rising every day.
Some people would say
you're exaggerating the problem.
We're actually dealing with cases all over
the country on a day-to-day basis.
Here in the underground vaults
of Scotland Yard's
Obscene Publications Squad,
there are literally thousands
of child pornographic videos,
magazines, and films.
[reporter] Scotland Yard
have allocated six officers
to work investigating pedophiles.
That's my lot.
Staff was not forthcoming.
When I left, I still only had 16 officers.
The only national squad
targeting child abusers.
The only one.
There's a computer system in there, and
we want to make sure that the man inside
doesn't have time
to destroy all his files. Kevin who's…
[reporter] The head of the unit
fears that public awareness of the problem
is lagging far behind.
That's one of the reasons
why we used television, in particular,
to try and get the message across.
We would take the cameras with us.
[tools whirring]
[crashing]
[man] Police officers.
[woman] Go away!
Oh [bleep] off, will you.
Go on, [bleep] off!
[Mike Hames] At any one time,
I had 100 operations.
I realized that
it's a different type of criminal.
[applause]
They weren't without brains.
They manipulate the people around them.
Family, friends,
people that they work with.
These people create
this other world almost.
They live almost a parallel life.
They try to f*ck with your head as well.
You are about the most
recognizable character in the country.
But I think what people think now,
looking at you now,
they'll think, "Who's looking after him?
Who's cooking his dinner?"
Nobody.
Your own man, an individual,
but on the other hand
the other Jimmy Savile
is a fairly anonymous character.
Ooh. Very ordinary and thick.
You're thick, are you?
[chuckles]
[Mike Hames] 1998.
Four years after I left the police,
my former colleagues received a letter,
which reads,
"I supply here information, which,
if looked into by one of your officers,
will yield a secret life."
"I cannot give you my name
as I'm too closely involved,
and I do not wish to be in the limelight
and have the finger pointed at myself."
"And if you think this is not
a genuine letter, then it's your loss."
"The image that Jimmy Savile
has tried to portray over the years
is someone who is
deeply concerned with his fellow man."
"However, the thrust of this
is entirely the opposite."
"His fundraising activities
are not out of altruistic motives
but purely for selfish advancement
and an easy living."
"Did you know
that he's a deeply committed pedophile
and involved in buggery
with young children?"
"He thinks he's untouchable
because of the people he mixes with,
and, again, I know from my personal
experience that they find him amusing."
"Please do not let him
get away with this perversion."
"Don't let him
continue to think he's untouchable
or that his secret is too well hidden."
"I've done my duty,
my conscience is clear."
"You have the time, power,
and resources to wheedle him out
and expose him for what he really is."
"If you think this is a hoax
or a crank letter, think again."
"It's not I who suffer
if you do nothing, but the children."
It was from an anonymous source,
so, therefore, it would have been
quite a low level in terms of
"Can we believe this?"
On the other hand,
it's not something you'd throw away.
Because he was living
in Leeds at the time,
up north,
it was obvious that it would be
sent to Leeds for investigation.
[Alison Bellamy] Each city has a few
famous people who come from there,
and Jimmy was
the most famous person from Leeds.
-[car horn beeps]
-[shouting] Jimmy!
[Alison Bellamy] He loved Leeds.
Still lived there.
He was adored by people.
They absolutely loved him.
I was working at
the Yorkshire Evening Post,
the regional evening paper in Leeds.
He used to predict
charity football scores each week,
so the sports desk asked me once,
"Would you give Jimmy Savile a ring
to get his charity scores?"
I was, like, "Wow! Yeah, that's great."
And we had a laugh. We got on.
I was his contact
to get the good stories in the paper.
He called me, as a joke,
his "head of media" or "good-news girl."
We became sort of friends.
[Savile wobbles voice]
All the world is uphill.
And the Yorkshire uphill…
leads to Heaven.
[Alison Bellamy] He had a flat
overlooking Roundhay Park.
A penthouse flat on the top floor.
[Savile singing] Very very good, very good
Very very good, very very very very good
Very very good, very good
Very very very very good
Oh! Very very good…
[muttered singing]
-Oh, it should be now.
-[bell dings]
[Savile cheers]
It is the place I was born in,
the city I was born in,
and I wake up under the same patch of sky
today as when I worked down the pit.
Come and have a look at the view.
[Alison Bellamy] It took him
a while to trust me and to be--
Maybe a couple of years
from first speaking to him.
But one-- It was a Friday, he rang me
at work in the morning and said,
"How are you fixed today?"
"Do you want to come
to the Friday Morning Club?"
The FMC, he called it.
It was like a get-together.
There were some regulars,
some West Yorkshire police officer friends
who would be there,
you know, off duty, not in uniform.
I remember once arriving just as the
group of policemen were leaving, so--
As if I was the next appointment.
Well, he had a group of police friends
from the local force in Yorkshire,
who would come around for a regular…
I think it was a Friday morning meeting.
[producer] Did that strike you as unusual?
I didn't see it as a bad thing,
but probably now,
you're sort of wondering
if it was keeping…
people with power on his side.
[Alison Bellamy]
They were starstruck by him.
If he'd received a fan letter, he might
read it out and have a bit of a laugh.
He would say, "I've had another letter
from a nutter, and-- Claiming all sorts."
[producer] What did you think
he meant by "nutters' letters"?
That they were from crazy people
who didn't have…
who didn't have their right mind,
who were making things up about him,
um, and were, you know,
making a claim to something
that wasn't true.
[crowd shouting] Six, five,
four, three, two, one!
-[bell chimes]
-[cheering]
-[fireworks exploding]
-[crowd cheering]
[bell chimes]
[cheering, whistling]
[fireworks exploding]
[Ricky Gervais] My next guest
is Sir Jimmy Savile.
[applause, whistling]
[Alison Bellamy] The early 2000s,
despite him being an OAP,
he was in demand
40 years after the peak of his fame.
Got your own room
at Broadmoor mental home?
I've had it for 35 years.
You're amaze-- How old are you?
Gettin' on for 100.
Gettin' on for 100?!
You look absolutely brilliant on it.
[Alison Bellamy] He loved the attention.
He thrived on it. Still.
Thing is, all the New York rappers,
they all wanna look like you.
You were bling before bling was bling.
[laughter]
I was bling just after Henry VIII.
[applause, laughter]
[Alison Bellamy] He absolutely loved that.
And he loved being young and trendy.
[man] Oh my life. Morning, Jimmy.
What are you up to at the moment?
What I'm up to
is actually not getting caught.
Um… Avoiding--
[man] Unlike Gary Glitter, of course.
Allegedly.
Not getting caught.
[cheering]
I can't believe that I'm back.
I never went away really.
[screaming, cheering]
[laughter, chatting]
-This is the legendary Jimmy Savile.
-Hello!
[Ian Hislop] In Britain,
at a certain point in your life,
you change from being eccentric and weird,
to being a national treasure.
With Ian Hislop tonight, Jimmy Savile.
[applause]
[Ian Hislop] Everybody decides
you've been around so long
that you're marvelous,
and you should be feted.
-You used to be a wrestler, didn't you?
-I still am.
-Are you?
-[laughter]
I'm feared in every girls' school
in this country.
[laughter]
[applause]
[sound continues through TV]
Extraordinary.
I mean, I'd forgotten
how much the audience liked that joke.
[laughter]
[Ian Hislop] He managed to coexist
with a public image
of being a national treasure,
hugely valued.
And also a sort of underground image,
that he was a deeply creepy bloke
who was up to no good. Um…
And it was very, very difficult to get
your head round both of these things.
Didn't you live in a caravan?
-Twelve years I lived in a motor caravan.
-What do you do in the caravan?
Anybody I can lay me hands on.
[laughter, applause]
I'm sure he was booked on the program
'cause he was a controversial figure.
By this time,
he was giving odd interviews,
and people were beginning to think,
"What are you doing?"
I might be jumping off things
and kidnapping local ladies
because I live in Glencoe,
and we rustle cattle up there,
and we also kidnap ladies and sell them.
[chuckles awkwardly]
Yeah. Thanks very much!
[Ian Hislop] He was a deeply creepy bloke,
but people didn't mind this,
and that was about the level of it.
There was a huge amount
of rumor about Jimmy Savile.
[host] Oh, I wanted to lose…
[Ian Hislop] Top rumor,
he sleeps with people
who may be a bit young.
Why do you say in interviews
that you hate children?
Because we live in a very funny world,
and it's easier for me, as a single man,
to say, "I don't like children."
Are you basically saying that
so tabloids don't, you know,
pursue this whole "Is he/isn't he
a pedophile?" line, basically?
Yes. Oh aye.
How do they know whether I am or not?
How does anybody know whether I am?
Nobody knows whether I am or not.
I know I'm not.
[Mark Lawson]
For most of the 20th century,
it was easy for a rich,
powerful, well-known person
to get away
with some really quite terrible stuff.
But the reason for that
was that the only forum
in which those allegations
could be aired was the mainstream media.
When the stuff about
"Jimmy Savile is a pedophile"
in various forms started appearing
on the gossip site Popbitch,
it was one of the most common pieces
of information they received.
There is no gatekeeping online.
In the coming weeks,
Jimmy Savile will turn 80 years of age.
So when he invited me across
to his bachelor pad in Leeds,
I arrived there with a mixture
of fascination, bewilderment,
and downright curiosity.
There's a lot of scandalous things,
I'm sure you know about this,
on the Internet, about you--
Not even worth mentioning here
the nature of the stories.
When you read those, how does it feel?
Is it water off a duck's back?
I don't have an Internet.
I don't have a computer.
I don't have Internet.
I don't know what an email is.
I don't know anything about that world.
-[woman] There have been nasty rumors--
-[Savile] Eh? Good heavens.
-[laughs] "Good heavens."
-[Savile] I never heard any of 'em.
[woman] Um, these claims of abuse.
-How--
-[Savile] What claims of abuse?
[woman] Claims of abuse
with you and young children?
[Savile] Never heard it in my life.
-Never heard of it?
-Never heard of it in my life.
-[woman inhales] But…
-[Savile hesitates]
I have a life like Jim'll Fix It.
We don't listen to things like that.
[woman] There's no way
you were going to respond to any of it?
[Savile] What's the point of responding
to something if it's not true?
You don't do it.
[woman] Hm.
[Savile] And if anybody
says things like that, no problem,
'cause all you can expect
from a pig is a grunt.
[woman] Hm.
Jimmy's 80th birthday, I was there
as a guest. There weren't many of us.
It is, of course, Sir James Savile.
As well as greetings from round the world,
he's been treated to
a number of birthday cakes, which will…
[Alison Bellamy] Because it was
his 80th birthday,
I wrote a series of features about him.
The features editor said,
"You've got to ask him
to address the rumors."
Jimmy said, "Oh, that's a load of baloney.
It comes with the territory."
"When I was a DJ they'd queue up outside
the dressing room door, these groupies."
It's been an amazing life…
[Alison Bellamy]
"Why have I not been charged?"
"There's never been any trial."
He was quite adamant. He was quite…
[inhales]
…keen to show his conscience was clear.
Welcome to the very last Top of the Pops.
[audience groans]
Forty-two years ago, I said, "Welcome
to the very first Top of the Pops."
Been going for 42 years.
It belongs to the world. Now they're…
[Alison Bellamy]
I didn't want it to be true.
It did make me think.
It was at the back of my mind.
Because I was a journalist,
if it was a story,
I would've tried to chase it
or get the story.
I was younger, and I was…
I was ambitious and keen, you know.
I couldn't find
any evidence of it, and I--
I could-- Not heard of any victims.
Not in Leeds, anyway, the area I covered.
[woman] I never told anybody anything.
I kept all of that to myself.
I was about eleven.
We went to church every week.
To the little chapel
at Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
They'd come in the wheelchairs,
sometimes come in beds.
Me and my little brother sitting together.
We used to get
into a fit of giggles at church.
[emotional music playing]
[Sam Brown] Jimmy Savile
was part of the hospital.
As a child, I only knew
that he was an important person.
I didn't really know
why he was there.
He used to go to church
and go into presbytery,
which was just a tiny room
that overlooked the service,
where the wine was kept
and the collection plates were kept.
It kind of became my job
to go and collect the plates.
I'd have to reach past him,
and then I'd have to turn around
and wait for the right time
in the mass to go out with my plate
to pass that around the congregation.
At the beginning, it was all very much,
you know, he'd put his arms
round my waist,
or he'd stroke my back.
And as the weeks progressed,
you know, he would then put--
It would go from touching me like that,
and then it would be putting his hands,
um…
down my trousers,
um…
touching my skin.
So that…
'Cause we always used--
You have your Sunday-best type clothes.
You go to church, and you don't…
you don't wear jeans
and trousers, you know, you…
You go dressed very neatly.
That obviously became
a real problem for me
because it left me
open and vulnerable
and easy to be touched, so, um…
Caused a lot of arguments
with my mum when I was little
because I would try and wear things
that would protect me more.
So I used to…
Um, it got to the stage where, of course,
obviously, he'd be in my knickers,
and he'd be putting his
fingers inside of me.
And he would…
um…
put his arm around me
and put his whole hand…
he would put inside of my mouth,
which, um…
I couldn't breathe, you know.
I couldn't breathe, but…
I started to try and find ways of…
um…
wearing more clothes.
I used to wear,
like, three pairs of knickers.
You know, I was 11.
I hadn't started my periods, but my…
I found Tampaxes in the bathroom,
and probably for about
half an hour before church--
And I can remember rowing--
My mum would be shouting,
"Hurry up. Get out the bathroom."
But I can remember
putting Tampaxes into my bottom.
[voice quivers] And that was so painful
to have to do that.
But I used to try
and think of all different ways
just to fill myself up
so he couldn't put his hands in me.
When he used to
put all his hands in my mouth,
I think, in a weird way,
that was the one that…
I know it probably
doesn't sound right saying it…
[sniffles] …but that felt worse sometimes
than if he had his fingers inside of me
while I was waiting.
That totally made me feel…
um…
as if I wasn't even
a person.
[congregation singing]
[Sam Brown] I can remember
looking at the back of people's heads,
like a little sea of people's heads,
and thinking…
[sniffles] …"Why can't you see me?"
As if everybody's heads
were turned against me.
And, I think, one way, it confirmed to me
that I wasn't to be seen.
I wasn't anything.
And that no…
That it was just supposed to be.
I felt nothing but pain,
and nobody saw that.
When I was hiding in my classroom,
under the cupboards--
I had to go to special school
because I couldn't…
I couldn't go in a room.
I was so… [sniffles]
I was so scared of everything
that I would go to school
and get under
the sink cupboards in a classroom
and hide in the sink cupboard,
or hide underneath my table
and just sit and just…
I'd just argue to myself.
"You're disgusting. You're horrible."
As a grown-up and as a 54-year-old woman,
I still believe
that I played a part in this, that I--
Because I should have shouted.
That I should have been able
to have gone to my mum
or my family or my teachers,
or I should have stopped right there
in that church, and I--
And why did I not shout,
"Right, leave me alone!"
Why did I not shout that,
with an open door,
with the people all still there--
Why did they-- Why did I…
That's my fault. Why did I not stop it?
I did think for a second,
"Did anything happen to anybody else?"
And I thought, "No,
people would've been stronger than me
to tell the police about Jimmy Savile."
[giggling]
[Alison Bellamy] He always used to say,
"It might all end tomorrow."
"So, why would it end tomorrow?"
I said, "Why will it end tomorrow?"
He said, "All of it.
It might all end tomorrow."
There was something amok. He was upset.
The police had been in touch with him
from down south.
He went to be questioned,
I think it was
down at Stoke Mandeville Hospital,
and he was most unhappy about this.
[tape recorder clicks]
[woman] Okay, this interview
is being tape-recorded.
I'm Detective Constable [bleep]
from Surrey Police.
-What's your full name?
-James Wilson Savile.
[detective] You said earlier
it was okay to call you Jimmy.
[Savile] That's my name. Yes.
[detective] Before I make you aware
of what's been alleged,
I'll just read out the caution.
"You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defense
if you do not mention when questioned
something which you later
rely upon in court,
and anything you do say
may be given in evidence."
[Savile] I'll say everything.
I've had so much of this in 50 years.
It's always either someone looking for
a few quid or a story for the paper.
[detective] What we'll do, Jimmy…
I'm not being rude stopping you there.
I will give you a chance to say,
but it's just important
that I get this introduction bit done.
[Savile] You didn't interrupt me.
He said he was having
to get in touch with his lawyer,
and I asked him what it was about,
but he didn't go into detail about the--
the claims.
And he said it was a historic claim
from years ago about something.
[detective] Did you specifically
go to Duncroft,
knowing it was an all-girls place,
to receive sexual gratification?
[Savile] That is a complete
flight of fantasy.
[detective coughs]
[detective] She said
that when you visited Duncroft,
she showed you across
to a place called Norman Lodge.
[Savile] I can't remember that.
[detective] Did you ask her
to give you what she calls a "blow job"?
[Savile] Out of the question!
[detective] So did you ask for a massage
from the girls when you visited Duncroft?
[Savile] Not at all. Never.
[detective] Did you ask them
to comb your hair at all?
[Savile] No.
[detective] Why would these girls
say this about you?
[Savile] We always get
something like this at Christmas
'cause we all want
a few quid at Christmas, right?
Normally, you can just
brush them away like midges.
They will try blackmail.
"If you don't send us money,
I will say that you've done this
and you've done that."
So that's why I have, up in Leeds,
a collection of senior police persons.
I give them all my "weirdo" letters,
and they take 'em back to the station.
[detective] You stated
at the very beginning of this interview
your policy on this sort of thing.
[Savile] Policy. Yes.
I have now alerted my legal team
that we may be doing business.
See, I'm known in the trade as litigious.
Pull people into court
straight away, no messing.
"Oh dear, I've been wronged,
Your Worship. Wronged…"
[groans] "Dreadful!"
Two hundred grand.
Five times I've done that.
I'd rather not.
If this disappears, it disappears.
If it doesn't disappear,
then you, young lady,
will finish up at the Old Bailey
as well as everyone else.
[detective] If I just
end the interview there.
It's 11:40, and I shall stop the tape.
[Savile] Right.
[Alison Bellamy] I asked, "What's happened
with that police inquiry thing?"
He'd say, "They've got no evidence.
It's nothing. There's nothing happening."
He'd brush it aside as if famous people
had this to deal with all the time,
and it was just part of his fame
and not to worry about it.
[Savile] You see,
I never, ever thought that I was clever.
Tricky, yes. I'm a very tricky fella.
But tricky is much better
than being clever.
If you are clever,
you can slip up 'cause you're clever.
But if you're tricky, you don't slip up.
You never slip up if you're tricky.
[Meirion Jones] 2009/10.
I started seeing stuff
popping up on Friends Reunited,
an early social media network.
[voiceover] Ever wondered
what your old friends are up to?
Friends Reunited has 15 million members.
There were hints there
that something had gone on at Duncroft,
from girls who had been there at the time,
who obviously were now mature women.
Nothing you could put your finger on,
but there was something
about their conversations.
Hints that there had been
a police investigation.
Printouts from Friends Reunited.
And this is one of the women saying
that she was contacted by the police,
"But don't want to do it on my own.
I really think we ought to do something."
"The more girls that say something, the
better chance we have of exposing him."
"I would love to see him
get his just deserves."
[man] Sir Jimmy Savile.
[applause, cheering]
[Meirion Jones] At the beginning of 2011,
I come across Karin Ward's account.
That was the real breakthrough
because that was a lucid, proper story
telling everything that happened.
I found it
because I was googling "Duncroft."
This very convincing account.
It included a character called JS.
Had taken her out in the car…
"One had to put up
with being mauled and groped."
"In fact, he often tried to press me
to go further than simply fondling him
and allowing him
to grope inside my knickers
and at my partly formed breasts."
"He promised me all manner of good things
if I would give him oral sex."
So I've now got a story,
written very convincingly,
99% of which I know is true.
[woman] A year after setting up a research
fellowship with a £50,000 donation,
Sir Jimmy Savile has spent the day
at Saint Jimmy's Hospital.
We've got this
unbelievable technological thing here,
which is going to make
so many people's lives different…
I've been on radio and television now
for 100 years.
I'm a rare breed,
insofar as I'm a single fella.
My game was not to have one wife,
to have a thousand,
like King Solomon.
[man] Nothing wrong with it.
You haven't broken any laws?
[Savile] You get people chasing,
looking for you.
In fact, my case comes up on Thursday.
I've had so many adventures.
In fact, my case comes up next Thursday.
My case has not come up yet.
It comes up next Thursday.
My case comes up next Thursday.
-Is that all it is?
-My case comes up Thursday.
-My case comes up next Thursday.
-Are you ever tempted?
I am often tempted.
In fact, my case comes up next Thursday.
[she laughs]
[Savile] Sooner or later,
you get your comeuppance.
[man] You talk about that as if
there's reasons for you going downstairs.
Do you have a conscience about that?
Is there stuff you've done
that you think
will deny you access to the big man?
[Savile] No. Never did any harm
to anybody.
[man] And what about your legacy?
[Savile] I ain't going.
It's too good here.
[man] Sir Jimmy Savile,
thank you for your time.
[Savile] Pleasure.
[chatter over police radio]
[Mark Lawson]
Judgment is crucial to Catholicism.
It is said that when his corpse was found,
the fingers were crossed.
That is someone
who really, really believed in it all.
[voiceover] This is Sky News.
We start this hour with breaking news
that the DJ and broadcaster
Jimmy Savile has died.
[woman] We understand he died
at his flat in Leeds.
This is very sad news, coming as it does
just two days before he was due to be 85.
Twitter is already
flooded with tributes to him.
He was, of course,
a very popular broadcaster.
[man] What was he really famous for?
I grew up watching him…
[Meirion Jones] I think I must've heard it
on Radio 4 news.
I was utterly shocked.
[man] Showman to the end,
Sir Jimmy has not forgotten his public.
His coffin will be put on view
for all to see in Leeds.
In his will,
the other instructions that he'd left
was he wanted to be buried at 45 degrees,
and on his headstone, he wanted the words,
"It was good while it lasted."
[cameras clicking]
[car horn beeping]
[Robert Morphet] I'd managed to get hold
of the last cigar that he'd smoked.
We set that up in an ashtray,
with a picture of him
and a crucifix, which seemed appropriate
since he was a practicing Catholic.
[woman] By lunchtime,
around 2,000 people had filed in.
It was really classy in there, and,
yeah, there was a very special spirit.
Because it links back to our youth,
it is great to be part of something.
What was it about Jimmy Savile?
Everything.
He had a way about him,
didn't he, our Jimmy?
Class. Class. Sheer class.
[Robert Morphet]
They felt as if they knew him.
It's "Jimmy," "Jimmy," "our Jimmy."
And everybody had a story to tell,
and they were all positive stories.
There were no negative stories.
[Meirion Jones] All these tributes
kept coming out to him.
[man] For 60 years,
Jimmy Savile has been part of our lives.
A Great British eccentric.
He was crazy.
[wobbles voice]
[man] This is the story of Jimmy's
remarkable life, as it 'appened.
[Meirion Jones] There was just endless,
"What a great man he was."
Prince Charles said
he was saddened by the news.
[Meirion Jones] That then triggered
a whole load of stuff on Friends Reunited.
"Rest in peace. No, rot in hell."
"Yes, rot in hell."
"This man makes my skin crawl."
"Anybody else who did what he did
would've been locked up years ago."
"Hope you rot in hell,
you child molester."
"Only your celebrity status saved you."
"Rest in hell, you evil, old pervert."
"Some things you never recover from."
"He asked if she was a virgin,
and she said yes."
"He put his hand down her knickers
and said, 'I'll be able to tell.'"
"Never got over what he did."
"He loved vulnerable ones
'cause he knew he could manipulate us."
Lots of messages here in amongst the team,
tracking down different people,
exchanging possible addresses.
And, crucially, persuading them to talk.
Many of them wouldn't talk on the phone.
They would only talk by text.
Some of them would talk on the phone.
Um…
It's very, very difficult
getting people like that to trust you
and believe you
and think that you will do something.
We had a meeting with my editor,
who said, "Yes, go with this."
First thing I did
was track down Karin Ward.
We agreed to do a face-to-face interview.
[Karin Ward] He wanted me to fondle him,
and he promised me
that if I gave him oral sex
that he would arrange
for me and my friends
to go to Television Centre
and be on his television show.
I did it.
I was 14.
[Meirion Jones] What we were being told
by Karin and by some of the others
was that they'd been taken
on trips to the BBC.
-Have you heard about my reputation?
-No, tell me.
Whisper-- I'll tell you afterwards.
Right. No. Don't tell us.
[Meirion Jones] That there had been
groping, at the very least,
going on in the dressing rooms
with Gary Glitter, Jimmy Savile.
I'm having a look at the audience
to see if there's any I fancy.
-We got some on beanbags lined up for you.
-Lovely. You do?
-[Savile] Uh, yeah.
-[laughter]
[Meirion Jones] Karin tells us
the program was called Clunk-Click.
Now, that didn't mean
anything to us at all.
[Savile wobbles voice]
[man] Ten, nine, eight, seven…
[Meirion Jones] The problem
with the BBC archive from the '70s,
very little of it survived.
[theme music playing]
[applause]
[Meirion Jones] Our researcher managed
to get hold of the tapes
marked Clunk-Click.
So this program really did exist.
And she went through
many tapes and found nothing.
And then, finally, she found
some sort of taster "best of" tape.
[clears throat] On with the show.
These are some of the highlights.
Some of the great fun times we had.
[chuckles]
[Meirion Jones] And there, sure enough,
was Karin.
We knew we'd made another breakthrough.
This would all help substantiate
the rest of what Karin
was saying about Jimmy Savile.
And then, there are more people
coming forward to us
with more evidence.
You start getting a picture
that things were more widespread.
That maybe everywhere he'd been,
there'd been abuse.
[Sam Brown] When I think back,
I remember watching a great big funeral,
and I felt
really like I'd let myself down.
I thought, "He's going to his grave
with me not saying my truth."
"I've not been strong enough."
Really disappointed in myself.
[man shouts] Jimmy!
[applause]
[cheering]
[Roger Ordish] We went to the funeral.
A foreign visitor would have thought
it was a member of the royal family or a…
a prime minister's funeral or something.
[producer] Why do you think
those people had come?
I just thought it was
a hugely significant passing
of a great man.
[bell rings]
[Alison Bellamy] For Jimmy, who in baptism
was given the pledge of eternal life,
that he may now
be admitted to the company of saints.
Lord, in your mercy.
[congregation] Hear our prayer.
[organ playing]
[priest] We pray this afternoon
that the great producer on high
will so fix it
that Jimmy will be given
the ultimate reward,
a place in Heaven.
Do remember also
to pray for the dead,
that they may be released from their sins.
Jimmy, himself, on the topic of sin,
in a one-line postscript
to his autobiography, added,
"I hope he really does
take it easy on sinners."
[Meirion Jones]
This email is on 29th November.
That's the day that
the Christmas schedules are published,
which are wall-to-wall
with Jimmy Savile tributes.
My editor emailed his boss, saying,
"We've made progress on the Savile story
and now propose
to transmit on Wednesday, 7th December."
"Are you around
to talk through in more detail?"
So we now have a date
that we're gonna broadcast the program.
The next day,
there was a crucial conversation
between my editor and his boss.
Suddenly, we're told
that there's a problem with our story.
There is an email out of the blue,
to me, from my editor, saying,
"Our sources so far are just the women."
Over the following days,
we're told to stop working on the story.
We're told the edit must stop.
We don't understand,
given all the allegations
that he was a pedophile
while he was working for the BBC,
on BBC premises.
None of this is a story.
And we commit his body to the ground.
Earth to earth.
Ashes to ashes.
Dust to dust.
[Meirion Jones]
We can't run our investigation.
The BBC broadcasts
wall-to-wall Jimmy Savile tributes.
We can't believe it.
It made me sick to the stomach.
A television documentary
will this week claim
that the late broadcaster Sir Jimmy Savile
sexually abused schoolgirls in the 1970s.
[Meirion Jones] We'd rather
the story got out there.
Their film was basically our material.
Um, not the footage but the story
about what had happened at Duncroft.
The claims first appeared this weekend,
based on a yet-to-be-seen
television documentary.
Since the report…
I just felt sick 'cause it seemed to be
more newsworthy than previous…
The previous claims had been brushed aside
by the police and been dropped.
[man 1] The documentary will air claims
that Savile molested young girls,
but the BBC say they've found nothing
to substantiate this.
[man 2] The CPS
said there wasn't enough evidence.
No one has pressed charges.
What's the point of broadcasting this?
So-called kangaroo court needs to stop.
What good is gonna come out of this?
Are they getting money out of this?
Why have they waited
until after he's died?
'Cause they were frightened.
They were scared.
-Groupies that threw themselves--
-Are you saying these girls were groupies?
I'm saying that sort of thing
did happen in the pop business.
[Roger Ordish] The television program.
My friend rang me
and said, "Watch out,
there's a whole lot--"
"A whole hornets' nest
is about to be released."
[man] I've been told
he was using his celebrity status
to gain access to teenage girls
at a school in Surrey.
[woman 1] …a good fumble around
in my knickers,
but I thought it was expected of me.
I was expected to masturbate him.
He wanted me
to put my finger into his an*s.
[man] My investigation would lead me to
other people with similar stories to tell.
[woman 2] There was an alcove
in the dressing room.
He pushed me back against the wall,
and then it was a hand up the skirt.
He did it on various occasions
in various places.
One of these fumbles then turned into
him pinning me down with his body weight.
He-- He actually r*ped me.
I was very young, and he was in his 40s.
[woman 3] Being a teenager,
you do blame yourself,
and I didn't understand it.
[presenter] Some messages
from listeners who've texted.
"Why on earth would you
drag up all this now? The man is dead."
"How dare you
air these malicious allegations!"
The Metropolitan Police say
that it will now take the lead
in investigating sex abuse allegations
against the late Sir Jimmy Savile,
as more women come forward
claiming to have been
assaulted by the TV presenter.
[woman 4] His hand was in my knickers.
I froze.
Totally froze.
[woman 5] I definitely had the sense
that it was only me.
[man 1] Scotland Yard
has formally recorded eight allegations
against Jimmy Savile.
Two of r*pe and six of indecent as*ault.
But calls to police suggest
there may have been as many as 30 victims.
Tonight at ten, police are now pursuing
more than a hundred
lines of inquiry about Jimmy Savile.
[man 2] I just think
it's a waste of media time, police time…
Meanwhile, Cleveland Police have confirmed
they've received
the first complaint from a man
who says he was sexually assaulted
by the star when he was nine years old.
[man 3] The point is this,
we're only hearing one side of the story.
Yet more allegations.
What more can you tell us?
This will be a very worrying development
because Jimmy Savile
for years was a volunteer porter
at hospitals in Leeds.
[presenter] One former patient
at the Leeds General Infirmary
has been describing how she witnessed
Savile abusing another patient.
[woman] There was a young girl.
She had brain damage.
She was sat there,
not on this planet, bless her.
Jimmy Savile started kissing her neck,
running his hands up and down her arms,
and then he started to molest her.
Thirteen different police forces are
now dealing with a catalog of complaints.
More allegations
have emerged this morning.
We've now had 161 calls to our helpline.
The police are now pursuing
340 separate lines of inquiry.
The government is concerned.
The prime minister…
The nation is appalled. We're all appalled
by the allegations
of what Jimmy Savile did,
and they seem to get worse by the day.
[man 4] Police say there are now
400 lines of inquiry
into sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile.
[Paxman] It's been a bad day for the BBC.
This program investigated the claims
almost a year ago
and never broadcast what it found out.
[Meirion Jones] I'm being asked
not to do interviews, but, yes,
obviously, I'm happy
that our story is out there.
There is a range of offending,
from inappropriate touching
through to indecent as*ault and to r*pe.
[Roger Ordish] The hundreds of pages
of the report.
The picture that emerged
didn't bear thinking about.
Hospital wards,
which had people who were
in a state of paralysis in the beds.
[Sam Brown] "Little boy.
Under ten. Fractured arm."
"They got a nice porter
to take him down for his X-ray."
"'Uncle Jimmy'll look after you.'"
"Touched his genitals.
Terrified. Crying out."
The earliest indecent
reporting incident was 1955.
"Suddenly, she felt a hand."
"Next thing, he was unzipping
the back of her hot pants
and putting his hands down
into the knickers, into her bottom."
He wouldn't move his hand.
I tried to move it.
[woman yelps]
[sinister music playing]
[Sam Brown] All the people
that muddled through life
thinking there's something
wrong with them…
Why didn't they report to anyone?
Because they felt nobody would hear them.
[woman] Others, too,
are reevaluating their relationship.
Like Sylvia Nicol,
who was a trustee of the Jimmy Savile
Stoke Mandeville Hospital Trust.
[Sylvia Nicol] I can't… It's just…
I don't know. Your world's upside down.
I saw him do good.
All of it is beyond belief.
[producer] Did you read
the report into Stoke Mandeville?
No.
I don't wanna know about it,
I don't think.
That's the thing.
That's the truth of it, isn't it?
People have said to me,
"How did you not know?"
"Why didn't you know?" In hindsight, yes…
I mean, I got mobbed by the press.
On social media, "You should
have your kids taken off you, you should."
You know, we did have a friendship.
A valid friendship that, um…
that was real at the time.
I can't reconcile
the Jimmy I knew with the abuse.
It's just really hard to…
to think about, really.
I try not to think about it.
[clears throat]
Today, we hear for the first time
from the producer of Jim'll Fix It,
who worked closely
with Jimmy Savile for 21 years.
Do you think
that you might have blocked your ears?
I don't think so. There wasn't…
I think it was the feeling that
he's dead,
you can't hang skeletons, but
you can find somebody to blame.
Do you say that it was possible
that this could've happened?
It's possible, yes.
Gosh. And you were there that whole time,
but you… you didn't see anything,
you didn't hear anything? It seems…
No, I didn't see any of that.
[music drowns out speech]
I didn't shout,
"You're a pedo!" 'cause I didn't know.
If you say, "I knew about it,"
you mean you'd heard the rumors.
There is a hysterical
"Why didn't the BBC reveal it?!"
Well, the press didn't either.
As a profession,
as journalists, we failed the country.
We should have got this guy.
There was a story there
that we didn't get.
But it also made me realize
the nation failed itself.
The nation created Jimmy Savile.
From national treasure
to one of the most reviled men
in the public consciousness.
[man] Savile's links with Scarborough
are all but gone.
The defaced plaque
on his former home, removed.
His street sign, also taken down.
The University of Bedfordshire
has withdrawn the honorary degree
it awarded to Jimmy Savile.
[woman] Leeds City Council
says it will remove an inscription
on the wall of its Civic Hall
honoring Jimmy Savile.
It's the latest dedication to the former
Radio 1 DJ to be removed after a plaque…
There was a feeling that
there hasn't been a day of reckoning.
There hasn't been a day of judgment.
And I think
that's where the anger comes from.
Calls are growing
for Jimmy Savile to be exhumed
from his resting place in Scarborough.
[man] Damn good idea.
Nobody wants it here now,
after all these revelations have come out.
Get rid of him. Get rid of the man.
He doesn't exist anymore.
[Robert Morphet] I expressed my concern
about the lettering
on the front of the headstone.
"It was good while it lasted"
is offensive,
and it will be offensive for all time.
He betrayed the trust of all of us,
and I felt it was only a matter of time
before that headstone was defaced.
The headstone on Savile's grave
in Scarborough will be removed tomorrow.
I said, "I don't think we can leave this.
I'll try and do it tonight."
So we hid.
We got the call from the police
about eleven o'clock
to say that all the TV vans had gone,
and it took us from half past eleven
until one o'clock in the morning
to remove that stone and sheet it all up.
There were no photographs taken of it.
And, uh…
we took it back
to our monumental masonry yard in Leeds.
My colleagues then set to,
in the middle of the night,
grinding the inscription off,
so it could never be read.
It was expected to happen in the morning,
but it happened overnight. Do we know why?
Yes, well, it's because of
this immense change in public opinion.
Police, yesterday, describing him
as a "predatory sex offender."
I'm joined by the funeral director,
Robert Morphet. Tell us…
[organ music drowns out speech]
[organ music continues]
I knew when this broke with Savile,
and it was all over the telly everywhere,
I thought, "Oh, I'm in trouble."
You were abused by Jimmy Savile
for several years.
Yeah.
-Didn't talk about it for a long time.
-No.
-Being able to lock things away…
-Mm.
…was the way I coped.
[Sam Brown] When I spoke to my husband,
I said, "You don't understand,"
and he said,
"But, Sam, what can I understand…"
[sniffles]
"…when you've not told me anything?"
And I thought, "For once,
I have to tell because it's not fair."
-How have your family been?
-Oh, fantastic.
I said to him,
"How did you put up with me?"
He said, "I always knew
you inside."
And that was really lovely.
I said, "I'm going to the police station."
I remember saying to the officer,
"I'm really sorry."
You know, "I'm really sorry
I've had to say this."
And he was like, "No, it's okay."
I was really aware
that I needed to start talking
and stay talking.
And that's what I did,
and actually I can kind of
look at my young me…
with less pain now.
I actually think I've become closer to me.
Me, child me.
And that, I think,
as an adult, has been nice
to be able to take the--
some, three-quarters,
of the blame away from me.
I always had a distaste for myself.
I felt quite ugly.
I felt all of these things, you know.
And actually, I think I look all right
when I've brushed me hair properly.
All of them things.
This forced my hand,
and I am thankful for that.
I am proud of talking now.
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It covers the life and career of the British television personality Jimmy Savile, his history of committing sexual abuse, and the scandal that occurred after his death in 2011, when numerous complaints were raised about his behaviour.
It covers the life and career of the British television personality Jimmy Savile, his history of committing sexual abuse, and the scandal that occurred after his death in 2011, when numerous complaints were raised about his behaviour.