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01x03 - Samantha Lewthwaite: The White Widow

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "World's Most Wanted". Aired: August 5, 2020.*
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2020 docuseries, exploring five of the world's most wanted criminals.

01x03 - Samantha Lewthwaite: The White Widow

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[siren wailing]

[suspenseful music]

[man 1] The 7th of July in 2005,

I remember it was a Thursday.

It was so crowded I didn't need

to hold onto anything, I could just

stand there and lean on

[scoffs] other people.

Within a few seconds of the train moving

off from King's Cross Station

um there was a

like a flash and then

total darkness.

[sharp ringing]

[newscaster] Breaking news

from the PA newswire

that there's been reports of an expl*si*n

in the East End of London.

[man 1] I knew instantly

it was a t*rror1st attack.

Twenty-five out of 52 innocent people

were k*lled in my carriage.

[newscaster 1]

Central London has been rocked

by a series of t*rror1st attacks.

[newscaster 2]

A number of people have died,

and they say among the injured

are many different nationalities.

[newscaster 1] Three hundred injured,

45 of them seriously.

[newscaster 3] Police confirmed expl*sives

were found there.

[newscaster 4] There is a suggestion that

the expl*si*n was caused

by a suicide b*mber.

Then that would be the first

suicide b*mber

to have struck in the United Kingdom.

[sinister music]

[man 2] Germaine was responsible

for the deaths of 26 people.

I started delving into his background

and found out that he was married

to Samantha Lewthwaite.

Samantha Lewthwaite,

known as the White Widow.

[female newscaster] Samantha was married

to one of the London bombers

and she's made a name for herself

as a terrorism mastermind.

[newscaster] She may now be

the most wanted woman in the world.

[sinister music]

She was everything.

[cheering]

She was planner

-[siren wailing]

-she was motivator, she was organizer

in the Al-Shabaab movement

and in general, in East Africa.

[man 4] She understood the nuances

of avoiding observation and surveillance.

And I think she got a kick out of it.

[man 5] She beat us.

We couldn't prosecute her.

We tried and failed.

[sirens wailing]

[woman 1] If I had an opportunity

to arrest her, I would.

But I don't think she's a woman

who will give up easily.

Neither am I.

[opening theme music]

[suspenseful music]

[female narrator]

Lewthwaite was named "the White Widow"

after the death of her husband,

Germaine Lindsay,

one of the London suicide bombers.

She's been on the run

for the last four years.

[indistinct chattering]

[sirens wailing]

[man 2] After the bombings

uh when the identities

of the t*rrorists became known

Samantha was under extreme pressure.

She had questions to answer.

No, not just to the police. To her friends

and family, people that knew her.

"What did you know about this, Samantha?"

[birds chirping]

[Pyatt] First time I met her,

we took her to a place

it was a manor house.

And the manor house rented out

a number of cottages in the grounds.

Rolling green fields,

there was a river running nearby.

So we were sitting outside on a lovely,

lovely hot day, expecting Samantha.

When she arrived in a in a taxi

with her, uh, newly-born child and--

we were quite surprised to see that

when she got out

that she had the full hi-- hijab on.

Which was massively out of keeping

with the, uh, local community

and the local area.

[click]

Eventually she agreed to, uh,

uncover her face.

Everybody wanted to talk to her.

Yes, it was a great scoop.

[suspenseful music]

[woman 3] She was a white western convert.

She painted herself as a naive victim

of her husband's crime.

She made the statement that

obviously, the bombings were abhorrent.

That she could not believe

that her husband was able to do this.

[chanting]

[Vale] The first time Samantha Lewthwaite

met Germaine Lindsay

was at a "stop the w*r" march.

[people shouting, protesting]

The fact that she met her husband

at one of these marches is significant.

[chanting]

[Vale] The resentment of British and US

invasion of Iraq

was one of the defining factors

for the group to conduct the 7/7 bombings.

She obviously has connections

with the sentiment

of why her husband and his group members

would want to carry out this attack.

We spent three days with her,

doing the interviewing.

The very fact that she'd been

intensively interviewed by the police

and no suspicion had been cast

on her story at all.

There was never allegations

that she was involved.

So everything kind of

fitted with her story

that she'd just been taken in.

In hindsight, when I look back at it,

she was clearly putting on an act.

But at the time

I believed every word of it.

[train chugging]

Samantha Lewthwaite played dumb,

if you like.

Uh, she played very like:

"I'm just the wife."

"Uh, there was nothing untoward

about, uh our relationship."

But, um, very quickly, um

we could get a bit of an idea

that some of the stories

people like Samantha Lewthwaite

were telling us, probably weren't true.

[sirens wailing]

[police radio chatter]

[Videcette] Some of the

Hasib Hussain's family, for example,

he was one of the other bombers,

you know, straight away,

they were on the phone:

"Our son is on a on a day trip down

in London today, we're worried about him."

Samantha Lewthwaite?

"No, I'm not-- I'm not bothered.

Seven days later I'll ring the police."

Why is she not thinking,

"My God, where's my husband?

I'm seven months pregnant.

I'm seven months pregnant,

yet my husband hasn't come home."

She named the child that was born

after the bombing, "Shahid."

Shahid means,

it's an honorific term for a a martyr.

You know,

she's called her child "martyr"

effectively, um, after and she's

supposed to be disgusted

about what her husband's done.

[camera clicking]

[Videcette] I really pressed hard

to have her arrested.

You know, I really, really wanted her

on the suspect list.

Sadly, the senior

investigating officer

felt that

there wasn't enough evidence to proceed.

And that the CPS would say no.

And I massively regret that she gets

this opportunity to k*ll other people.

Of course, I think about it

every single day.

[sea gulls squawking]

[Videcette] And then, quite clearly,

when you look at what happened in Mombasa.

She beat us.

[plane whizzing]

[car honking]

[crows cawing]

[traffic horns honking]

[man 6] We had the intelligence

that there were some guys

who were planning an attack in Mombasa.

So we needed to move fast

to preempt that kind of action.

Through our surveillance, we had already

known the houses where they were staying.

So we had to move to that house.

It was a two bedroom house.

It was an orphanage and

there was only a mattress on the floor.

And some containers.

They had acetone, hydrogen peroxide.

Power source, that is the battery.

We had a switch altimeter

We just automatically knew that these

were expl*sive making materials.

After analyzing some of the documents

found in that house

we were able to know that house

belonged to Germaine John Grant.

He was a UK citizen.

[shutter clicks]

[Otieno] We organized an operation

to arrest Grant.

In his confession,

Grant said that Samantha was the big fish.

She was the person who was financing

these guys and their operations

She was at the top.

I first heard about

Samantha Lewthwaite was because the Times,

rival newspaper in London,

that morning had splashed

with the story that Lewthwaite

had been linked to this terror cell

with the same materials

her ex-husband used

to detonate the bombs in London in 2005.

What seems to have happened is,

at some point

the police moved to arrest Germaine Grant

outside that house in Mombasa.

Now, there was an SMS that Grant I believe

sent from his phone, to the phone

registered to Samantha Lewthwaite

that said: "The lions are coming."

Or lions something like that,

right? So that's a warning.

So as the police are there,

she's running from the villa.

[sirens wailing]

We had to find all of the places

that we suspected these guys were.

[chopper whirring]

[Otieno] In one of the houses

was a white lady.

Kenyan police come to that house,

knock on the door,

Samantha opens the door.

She opened. She was very calm.

She was wearing a Muslim veil.

The kids were playing around the place.

[laughs]

"Can we speak to you?"

"Of course you can."

"Can we see your ID?"

"No problem."

Natalie Faye Webb,

"Hello, Mrs. Natalie."

That day, we looked at the passport.

It was her photo.

It was not a a false document.

She told us she was a South African,

uh, by the name Natalie Faye Webb.

So we didn't have any reason

to doubt that passport.

She went through this

perfectly relaxed, yeah.

Gave, got the passport back.

The police said, "Oh, we might come

and see you again." And left.

[dog barking]

[Otieno] That is when

we got further intelligence report that

Natalie Faye Webb was a fake name.

[dramatic music]

[Otieno] Immediately, we sent back

another team, back to the house.

Only to discover, she she's gone.

She's gone, of course.

[Otieno] We discovered some items.

The most interesting one was a UK

birth certificate of a lady by the name

Samantha Lewthwaite.

There's another thing

that interested us in that house.

We were able to get some documents that

gave us the location of another house.

[Pflantz] The upmarket, um

villa that she lived in

is very close to a strip of hotels

on a beautiful beach

North of Mombasa, called Shanzu.

In there, we later discovered

sacks of cash

in a black bin liner

ammunition, r*fles, and fake passports.

The plot was to hit hotels

during the high season at Christmas.

That would have been devastating.

We saw what happened in Tunisia.

We saw what happened in Paradise Hotel

in Mombasa, nine years earlier.

You can just walk in with a g*n and you're

gonna cause huge, huge, huge carnage.

[muezzin calling adhan]

[man] Mombasa's, uh

it's a big urban center.

And you have, uh, Western tourism,

scuba diving and beachside bikinis,

coexisting with um,

a large Muslim population.

And within that,

you have pockets of militancy.

There have been Islamist extremist

networks in Kenya

since the early 1990s.

Samantha Lewthwaite

chose to travel to Kenya

rather than to other

international hubs of

jihadist terrorism, such as Iraq or Syria.

Kenya obviously,

being an English-speaking country

may not have posed

such a linguistic barrier.

Not needing a visa for entry as well,

is also an important consideration.

[Pflantz] By June,

six months after she'd fled that house,

she walked back into the lion's den.

[man] My name is Peter Okono.

I was an eye witness

at Jericho bar attack.

[dogs barking]

[Okono]

The bar, by that time it was very popular.

The civil servants, the police,

people working in the government

liked to go to that place because

there was nice food

and then there was nice party.

[upbeat music playing]

[Okono] That night I arrived as always.

There was a football match and then

there was live music.

So the whole place was full with people.

-[crickets chirping]

-[somber music]

[faint indistinct voices]

Then I noticed a lady.

She was not looking like

our ladies around here.

She was more white.

She was in a hijab.

Normally, in these local places

it looks strange to see a white person.

[eerie music]

She was looking determined.

She was focused.

[eerie music intensifies]

Getting close to her,

I managed to see her face.

And realized she had blue eyes.

And before the dust could settle

[wham]

there was a blast.

[sirens wailing]

[indistinct conversations]

[Okono] This is the mark

which was left after the blast.

One person lost his life here.

[man] After that blast,

there was a commotion.

People were running helter-skelterly.

Some were running, uh,

to-- to save their lives.

[Okono] People were bleeding.

The people were injured.

There was blood everywhere.

On their faces, their hands.

So the ones I knew who died were three.

[interviewer]

Was it the person that you saw that night?

Yes.

That's the lady I saw

on that particular day.

And two or three people tell you the same.

There's a car park attendant

who said it was her.

So I printed four pictures.

Three random women,

white women off the internet.

And the Lewthwaite picture.

And he picked Lewthwaite.

Never seen again.

That is the last concrete identification

of Samantha Lewthwaite anywhere.

[man] This was a girl

young woman, who had decided

that this was her course in life.

Don't forget, as a girl,

as a young much younger woman

she would've been conscious of the edge

of danger, of the edge of terrorism.

Her father was involved in it.

She lived amidst it.

She was the product

of a British soldier

who was serving in Northern Ireland

on a long tour of duty over there.

He met an Irish girl.

-[screaming]

-[indistinct yelling]

[Mercer, in English]

The child was brought up over there.

[indistinct yelling]

[commotion]

[g*nshots]

[Pyatt] Her father uh

served with distinction

with allowances in Northern Ireland.

So he was fighting terrorism

on a day-to-day basis.

[bombs exploding]

So this was a child born

of a t*rror1st situation.

In terror. And eventually

turned to terror herself.

[suspenseful music]

[Pflantz] At some point,

the police found a laptop.

That was a huge coup

for intelligence services.

They got a lot out of that.

She's got photos of herself with her kids.

She's on WhatsApp, she's on Facebook.

She listens to Beyonce.

She's all of these things that the person

sitting next to you on the bus is.

And she's a jihadi who wants

to blow you up when you go on holiday.

[suspenseful music continues]

[Pflantz] The police found, um

a journal, a diary.

And there's a bunch of stuff in there,

there was a poem,

"Ode to Osama."

Thirty-four-line poem she had written

that was,

extolling the virtues of Osama bin Laden.

It was around this time

that she was photographed

with this guy, Abdul Wahid

her husband.

Abdul Wahid is a former

Kenyan military officer.

He then left the military,

allegedly later defected to Al-Shabaab.

[chanting]

[man, in English] Al-Shabaab movement

have made allegiances

with Al Quaeda in 2012.

And since then, has organized attacks

car bombings, suicide bombings,

land mines,

assassinations.

[chanting]

[Sanbalolshe] Because of their brutality,

the people fear them very much.

Samantha, she's one of the key

Al-Shabaab, or foreign fighter operatives.

It's important to her.

She's a very important role player.

It's a surprising climb up the ladder.

But it's not unheard of.

We've seen other jihadists,

foreign jihadists come to the region

and as they gain symbolic importance,

which Samantha did,

then they do actually become more senior

and start to exert their own influence.

[Vale] In her diary,

she says that her husband asks

what her children want to be

when they grow up.

And her oldest son and her oldest daughter

answer that they want to be mujahideen.

Warriors, fighters.

This is one of the main

domestic roles for women

within the jihadist network,

and particularly in Al-Shabaab.

She's raising and encouraging

all of her family members to participate

as a family activity,

in their dedication to the groups cause.

[Sanbalolshe] To have any children

with this kind of woman is very important.

Most of the time her husband dies

and then she remarries.

Because one of her roles

is to produce the future fighters,

produce future leaders.

[eerie music]

[music peaks then stops]

[birds twittering]

[Pyatt] Aylesbury's a small market town.

Samantha moved there when

she was about 11 years old.

She was born in Ireland. And she went

to school and grew up there.

The break up of her parents' marriage

affected her.

She didn't really side

with her father or mother.

And her best friend was a Muslim.

And she spent all her time with her.

[clock ticking]

[suspenseful music]

[man] This is where she hung around.

And she lived down here.

When I saw her as a teenager

she was a normal,

usual English flower child, you know.

[click]

[click]

[Hussain] Pale skin, light blue eyes.

She had normal friends.

She was a normal child.

The only thing you could say

was a change is she

uh she reverts to becoming a Muslim.

[Mercer] But that's the whole point.

She's the girl next door. She looks

very ordinary in British society.

There's nothing you can just say as:

"Here is a monster, here is a demon.

And it's clear because"

Well, it's not clear.

She's a very ordinary-looking girl.

Doesn't make her any less dangerous.

[sirens blaring]

[continuous g*nshots]

Oh, my God.

[people talking indistinctly]

[continuous g*nshots]

Well there's a series of shots

ringing out now

just outside the shopping center.

Black smoke we can see

coming from the top of the building.

We don't know what's going on.

Hello and welcome, I'm Peter Dobby

with the BBC World News. Our top stories:

Gunmen opened fire inside a shopping mall

in the Kenyan capital.

The Red Cross says at least 22 are dead.

Dozens more are injured.

[g*nshots continue]

[newscaster continues] The government says

it could be dealing with a terror attack.

But has urged people not to speculate.

[Bryden] What happened

at the Westgate Mall was

a classic Al-Shabaab attack.

A complex attack

using inghimasi, or suicide gunmen.

Four of them

approached the Westgate Mall

[g*nshots]

[g*nshots continue]

and entered the mall

from two directions:

the upper floor and the main entrance.

One team started throwing grenades.

They both opened fire and then

worked their way through the mall

[g*nf*re continues]

[Bryden] k*lling people that they found

inside the structure.

[people speaking indistinctly]

Sixty-one civilians lost their lives

in the attack.

[woman wailing]

Six security officers

also made the ultimate sacrifice

to defeat the criminals.

Intelligence reports

had suggested that a British woman

and two or three American citizens

may have been involved in the attack.

[sirens wailing]

[Videcette] We kind of didn't really

understand Islamism and Islamic terrorism

until 9/11.

We started to become aware of these

kind of people. They're spouting

things against our country.

But some of them

are born in this country.

Why are they behaving like this?

[preacher reciting prayers]

[Videcette] Samantha Lewthwaite,

very quickly,

she associated with extremist circles.

Straight away.

[preaching in Arabic]

[in English] These eight preachers

were saying things

which were extremely dangerous.

[in English] Don't play games

in the globe anymore.

And you, European people,

you will pay the most.

[Mercer] If Samantha Lewthwaite

was looking to do something radical,

something dangerous, something

exciting, something lethal

well, here we are. It's on a plate.

[Sky News opening theme playing]

Just want to bring you some breaking news

concerning the shopping mall seige

in Kenya.

The Kenyan Interior Minister says

that they are holding eight suspects.

On our broadcast tonight, WANTED.

An international arrest warrant has been

issued for the woman who's been called

"the White Widow." Question is: "Was she

among the attackers at the mall in Kenya?"

[newscaster] And Interpol has just issued

a worldwide red notice

trying to track down Samantha Lewthwaite.

[Bryden] By the time of the attack

on the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi,

it seems her career picked up.

So post-Westgate,

I don't think it's particularly surprising

that her name has become

so prominent

um, and that she is among

one of the most wanted people

in the world.

What also adds to her prestige,

notoriety, and infamy is the fact

that she's still at large.

[Pyatt] Interpol is looking for her.

Uh CIA, MI5, MI6,

they're all looking for her.

She's clearly being protected.

She's clearly in hiding.

[Bryden] Somalia and Kenya

have a long border.

The key is to have contacts

who will guide you

to the border and across

without encountering police posts

or checkpoints.

As soon as you cross the border,

at least in some areas

you're in Al-Shabaab territory.

If the messages have been passed

she would've been picked up

on the other side of the border

and then taken, uh, to a safe area

and probably a safe house

within that area

where she would've dropped off the radar.

[whirring]

[suspenseful music]

[woman 1] Somebody like Samantha, who has

a huge, uh international warrant on her

will definitely be taken.

[indistinct voices over radio]

[woman 1] The reason why I don't like her.

There's nothing to like about a woman

who chooses to be destructive.

We're both from the UK, we're both

the same age, we're both two women.

Involved in security, though she's

insecurity rather than actual security.

So she's touching me on several levels.

As a woman, as a Muslim,

as a security officer.

Of course, it it's irritating,

to say the least.

[in Somali] Take the main road.

The small streets are blocked.

[on radio, in Somali] Okay boss.

[Hussein, in English] Of course,

you remain a target.

I've survived two assassination attempts.

Uh there is still a high price on me,

but uh I believe you only live once

and if you're gonna live then make sure

that your life means something.

[traffic horn honking]

[people speaking indistinctly]

[Hussein] This station here

is a very important junction for us

and the principal threat

is always an expl*si*n.

We have an Al-Shabaab

terrorism problem here.

So for us we specifically focus

on trying to understand

how Al-Shabaab works.

How they operate, what they do,

how they recruit,

and so on and so forth.

[Sanbalolshe]

Of course, it is very important

to arrest somebody like Samantha.

To extract information from her

is also important.

And she's also dangerous. There is also

that we are removing a threat.

[speaking Somali]

[Hussein] I don't see Samantha

as different from any other mafia boss

to be honest with you.

There's financial interest,

there's popularity interest.

There's everything, but religion.

[muezzin calling adhan]

[indistinct conversations]

[Sanbalolshe] She knows she's wanted.

She's under big surveillance,

so she doesn't stay in one place.

She has to move around a lot.

[Bryden] In areas under Shabaab control,

Al-Shabaab is routinely

executing people accused of spying.

So for someone to denounce Samantha

pass information about her whereabouts,

is very risky.

[Sanbalolshe] We have been monitoring

her movement and her presence

sometimes at the border

between Somalia and Kenya.

Actually there was a time

we were almost closing down on her.

[birds cawing]

[Sanbalolshe] She was in Jilib.

But, uh it's not easy to arrest her

because she's in

Al-Shabaab controlled territory

We don't have

those operational capabilities.

She's out of reach, basically.

We were not able to use, uh,

drones against her

because she is a British citizen

and it is not

legally allowed by the UK law

to do this kind of assassination.

With British law, the focus is to get

uh the person, not k*ll the person.

Knowing where she is doesn't mean

that she can be reached

by law enforcement

or intelligence agencies

without, uh, also taking real risks

um, or causing

a lot of civilian casualties.

So monitoring her may be the best that

the intelligence community could do.

[click]

[click]

She has dedicated her life

to what she is: a t*rror1st.

And she must be happy

with what she's doing.

Um but she's got no way back.

I mean, that is it.

It means she can't travel freely anywhere.

The Brits

and the international authorities

are not going to let her once again

disappear for five years and then

pop up on another fake passport.

[Hussein] For somebody like Samantha,

she cannot survive in Somalia.

These people have a "sell by" date.

[Videcette] She's obviously developed

a trade craft that keeps her safe.

Not talking on the telephone, coded

messages passed between individuals.

But I know one thing

she won't survive forever.

She certainly won't.