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01x02 - Keith Richards

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "My Life as a Rolling Stone". Aired: August 7, 2022.*
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Follows Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood and Charlie Watts. Take a look on some unseen footage and exclusive stories from the members of the band Rolling Stones.

01x02 - Keith Richards

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OK, this is Keith, take one.

Can't You Hear Me Knocking

by The Rolling Stones

Every guy I've ever met in my life

wants to be Keith Richards.

He is the epitome of a rock

guitarist.

The original, the one and only.

It's Keith Richards.

Keith Richards has led a life

wreathed in legend.

His attitude and legacy underpin

the whole idea of the Guitar Hero.

What troubled mind would around

wondering

what other people's perceptions are?

I have enough dealing with my own.

I can only imagine what delusions

other people labour under.

More than just a musician,

he's a defiant hedonist and a poster

boy for sheer survival.

Rock and roll has to have an element

of danger

and an element of unpredictability.

And when you look at Keith Richards,

he embodies every element

that you want in your rock and roll

star.

Keith is all about living your life

with no-one telling you how to be.

It's following who you are

fearlessly.

It's really the skin of the teeth.

First off, that it happens to you,

then you've got to survive it,

because you don't know what you're

in for when you start this thing.

I still don't. So many surprises.

I could kid myself that I was

obviously born to play rock and roll

and be an enormous star.

No, I dreamt of that,

that doesn't, that's not the same

thing as knowing, is it?

Do we call that destiny?

What do we call it?

I call it love.

There isn't another guitar

player like Keith Richards.

There's nobody who comes

anywhere close to him.

It was that sound of

the guitar

and the sound of that

guitar

was the creation, I would say,

of the Rolling Stones.

He is definitely the

archetypal

bad boy rock

guitarist personified,

and he's the model

that all of us rebellious rock

guitar players followed from.

Keith Richards wrote the

dictionary version

of what rock and

roll was.

A songwriter, a guitar

slinger, a travelling troubadour.

He's such an encyclopaedia.

You need any advice?

Just go to Keith,

no matter what state he's in,

he'll

Boom, go straight to the heart of

something.

"Oh, OK, that's the answer.

Keith has the answer."

Keith is somethin' else.

He's emotionally

very present.

As present as you

can be

when you're really in the

business of fantasy.

Say you were a rock and

roll fan as a teenager,

you had five kids and you

had to go to work

at the assembly line for the Ford

Motor Company.

Well, if you go to a Stones show

and Keith is standing there looking

badass,

you're visiting the part of you

that you feel is missing.

After 60 years, the Stones are

still Rolling,

playing sell-out shows in all

four corners of the globe.

But at the musical heart of every

gig is one key character.

I think everyone creates a character

for themselves to a certain extent.

I don't know whether Keith's created

a character of himself

which is real or not real.

Keith's got a reputation as a

hell-raiser,

so I think he was very worried,

at one point,

if he was no longer going to be a

hell-raiser,

he's not that character any more,

who are you, then?

I don't think he cares about

that any more.

I don't blame him.

Are you comfortable doing

interviews like this?

I mean, you've been doing

them for a long time.

Is it something you relish?

It depends on the interviewer,

old boy.

I don't mind. You know, it's

I mean, I must say, now and

again, it's a grind,

you know, answering the same

questions.

At the same time, that's

a challenge, because you think,

"Can I come up with another answer

"that means the same thing

in different words?" You know?

So you slip and slide, you know.

If you have a persona, it is

like a ventriloquist act.

It's sitting on your lap,

but it's not you.

I guess you could call it convenient

at times,

but there are also other

times when it's very inconvenient.

We are all hand in glove

in this dastardly scheme

to sell our products. Um

But I consider it as part of the

gig.

So, uhthere we go.

Story so far.

Why are you coming to see the show?

Who are you going to see?

Keith Richards.

I like his hair.

Just his hair? I just like him.

Life in the spotlight hasn't

always been easy for Keith.

He's terribly shy.

I mean, as I knew him

when he was a child

and growing up to be a teenager,

I know what he's really, really

like.

No-one else knows him from that

period except for me, I think.

You can see from the interviews.

He's introverted, naturally.

It's

..hard to define shyness.

I don't know, when it comes

to shyness,

I don't really know where toto

put it.

I mean, I sometimes I think I use

it as a weapon

and say, "Oh, he's shy," you know?

And I guess, in a way, you get shy

of things,

crowds and stuff because,

I mean, I can't go to a movie,

to a cinema any more.

Sometimes, when I have

..I've never felt, like, more sort

of embarrassed in my life,

somebody going, "It's Keith

Richards! It's Keith Richards!"

I've ruined the whole movie

for everybody, right?

I mean And then I go,

"Excuse me," tripping over people.

"I'll leave now."

And, you know, I get shy in

that situation, you know?

And that just comes

with fame and all of that crap,

which loads, throws another load

of stuff at you.

If you're an extrovert in

show business,

I think you're in a good place.

If you're an introvert in show

business,

it will cause you, probably,

some anguish

or discomfort, perhaps, or anxiety.

Most people that are

in bands, guitar players,

maybe they're a little

introverted,

they're a bit awkward,

they can't talk to girls.

Even Jimi Hendrix would just be

at the back of the class, mumbling,

but give him a guitar

and the world lights up.

Keith didn't care,

in the beginning,

about clothes or about his

image.

He was just concerned

with the sound.

This was his way of performing.

He was back there making the sound.

Keith is born in 1943,

18 miles east of London in Dartford,

Kent.

I understand that you two,

of all the five fellows,

you two have been

friends longest, is that right?

You've known each other,

went to school together? Yes.

Little lads. When we were little

boys.

Little bitty boys. And you

were raised around London, right?

Yes.

Is it in London itself, or

No, just outside, about 20

miles. In the suburbs.

The suburbs of London.

What's, what's the, uh, suburb

called?

Dartford. Dartford?

You're right on the edge

of the country,

so you've got, you know,

commuters, heavy industry

and you've got countryside.

Very beautiful, still very

beautiful.

The Dickensian sort of marshes

that go to the Thames Estuary,

described in Great Expectations

so fully.

Dartford? Is that on the planet

Krypton? You know? Um

You were growing up in the residue

of a huge world w*r,

but you didn't know anything

about it.

It was just the way things were.

Bombsite here, you know?

"No, you can't have that.

"We don't have any ration tickets

left."

I mean, it wasn't unusual.

You didn't feel hard done by it.

It was just the way it was.

The exam called the 11 Plus looms

large,

sorting British kids into the

different educational paths

which will determine their future.

I remember the 11 Plus.

I didn't take it.

I went down with some kind of flu

at the time, or whatever it was.

And so I didn't actually get to take

it, which, I was immense

I think I had a psychosomatic

disease, as I just

Exams are the thing that'll

k*ll me, you know?

I mean, it's Jesus.

You either became a professional,

basically, of whatever, you know

Or, you know, you dug the ditches

and you do, you know,

what working men do.

And, of course, being kids

at that age, you don't realise

that you're being streamed

..to one aspect of society

and, you know,

you're being dumped,

or you're being elevated.

You have no idea, right?

Anyway, I took the middle

route and got expelled.

Which I

..I recommend heartily to any

red-blooded English schoolboy.

As far as I was concerned at the

time,

they'd heaped humiliation on me

and I weren't going to take

it any more, you know?

You break it with one form

of authority

and maybe after that, you start to

question

..other forms of authority, you

know?

There was always something

about being told what to do,

especially without any reason.

If Rebel Keith is born of a healthy

disregard for authority,

it's his grandfather, Gus Dupree,

an amateur jazz musician,

who fosters an early

enthusiasm for music.

He was the father of seven

daughters.

Well, as far as I'm concerned,

I seem to have been the only

boy he didn't have.

So, in fact, for me, he was

more like a dad or a friend

than a grandfather.

He'd take me into music shops,

but we'd always go in round the

back.

We never went in the front door.

And there was always a little deal

about, you know, some guitar strings

or some violin strings.

But then I would be in the back

of these music stores

for like hours,

watching people make guitars,

violins, repairing things.

It was like magical stuff going on.

He always had his violin

and instruments ready.

He never, ever once pushed me

or tried to interest me.

He would just play music,

you know?

All kinds, you know, jazz,

classical.

And then we'd just live our life

around the music.

Until one day, he noticed

that I was looking at the

guitar on top of the piano.

And, uh "Since you keep

looking at that,"

he said, "you want to have a go?"

And that's how Boom, gave it to

me.

He said, "I'll show you a few chords

here and you're on your own."

And that was it.

Can we just talk

about your first guitar?

I think we've got it here.

I'd love to see you handle it.

So would I! That's all you need to

do. OK.

What the

Careful here. Oh, that's it.

Oh, man.

Yeah. The mice were at it then,

the mice have been at it now.

This

..I believe it is the one

that my grandfather gave me.

But I'm not sure about that.

I don't know, but

Definitely my grandfather.

Wow, you see?

Lovely piece of wood.

Maybelline

by Chuck Berry

# Oh, Maybelline

# Why can't you be true?

# Oh, Maybelline #

As Keith starts out on his musical

journey,

his attention is grabbed by an

irresistible new sound.

Rock and roll.

# I was motivating over the hill

# I saw Maybelline in a Coupe de

Ville

# Cadillac rollin' on over the road

# Nothin' outrunning my V8 Ford #

I was getting an urge for some

country music and some blues.

I was starting to get interested.

Very little that you could get

in England at the time.

I think when rock and roll came

along,

it sort of fused the whole thing

together for me, you know?

Ha! You know, "Where have you been?"

At that age, it was devastating.

# Done got cloudy and started to

rain

# Tooted my horn for the passing

lane

# Rainwater blowing all under my

hood #

That's it. That's where you want

to go. That's

"Book me a room!"

It was an exciting time

to be a musician at that age.

Yeah, it was great. Ha-ha!

It was so completely

different

from anything we'd ever

heard.

And it had an excitement and

a positivity about it, I suppose.

Rock and roll started

whenever it was, '58.

It was Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly

and all that lot that turned our

heads.

That introduced us more into folk,

I suppose, and then into blues

and the blues artists of the day.

It was like collecting rare stamps,

finding good blues records.

The hits were released by

major record companies.

So, if it was a hit R&B track,

or if it made the Hot 100,

these were easy to get.

Major labels released these

records.

To buy the whole album of Muddy

Waters was much more difficult,

and you had to go to a jazz shop

in Charing Cross Road

and pay a lot of money for it.

And we used to order them

from America a bit cheaper

and there was a sort of little

network of people

that had record collections.

And so you would go to their houses

and they would play you music

and you would hear songs perhaps

you'd never heard before.

I was going to Sidcup Art

School. Right.

And Mick, at that time, was going

to the London School of Economics.

But I just get off at Sidcup, you

know?

Meanwhile, I'm sitting in the

carriage and suddenly he walks in.

"There's Mick," who I hadn't seen

in years, you know. "Wow, man.

"What's that under your arm?"

HE CHUCKLES

And he pulls out the

Best Of Muddy Waters

and Rockin' At The Hops by

Chuck Berry.

And these are American pressings,

you know, and you can't get

these records in England at the

time.

Basically, that was the hook-up for

the Stones and for Mick and I,

was just that we had this

same interest in music.

BLUES HARMONICA PLAYING

To know that these guys

were dedicated enough

to send their money

off into the oblivion,

in the hopes that something

would come back,

and then they were, like, obsessed

and live off of that record.

I just think it's just phenomenal.

What was it about a

cricket-playing, football-playing

bunch of characters, who drank

tea at four o'clock,

who loved this music?

Music from other cultures

has a romantic flair

and is kind of exotic.

So for the Rolling Stones,

being teenagers in England,

getting their hands on

authentic American Blues records,

authentic American folk records,

country records.

It carried with it this whole

romantic gravitas.

The thing about the blues

is it felt like it was coming

from some other place.

And it's much more raucous,

it's much more heartfelt,

it's much more vivacious.

It's not being filtered

through all these things.

That's what kind of made us jealous

in England,

was like, "Man, these cats

have got, you know,

"they've got a long stretch on us."

And, you know, we had a lot

of catching up to do.

It was just a fascinating journey.

And these presumptuous 18-year-old

white kids,

who say, "We're going to be the best

blues band in London."

Robert Plant said it to

me best.

He said, "You know, Brian,

"these white boys got a hold

of American black music

"and gave it fist."

The Rolling Stones!

WILD CHEERING

# Said the joint was rocking

# Going round and round

# Yeah, reelin' and a-rockin'

# What a crazy sound

# But they never stopped

rockin' #

I saw that whole

thing go down, man,

with the white blues.

The English were ahead of it.

They spread it.

There was something

really different about it.

There was like this

undulating rhythm happening

and it was sexually charged.

# Goin' round and round

# Yeah, reelin' and a rockin'

# What a crazy sound

# And they never stopped rockin'

# Till the moon went down. #

18, you know, playing your blues.

And within a matter of months, women

are trying to tear your clothes off

and they're jumping off of

balconies.

This is not quite what I

had in mind.

It was mayhem.

They were really good.

My God, as a band,

they were really good.

They had this charisma.

They were so cool and really didn't

give a f*ck.

That was their attitude on stage.

# What a crazy sound

# And they never stopped rockin'

# Till the moon went down

# I said the joint was rockin'

# Goin' round and round

# Yeah, reelin' and a rockin'

# What a crazy sound

# And they never stopped rockin'

# Till the moon went down #

The Stones

represented a danger,

a teenage danger that we

hadn't really experienced before.

They were definitely different

than, say, the Beatles.

The Beatles were there

to entertain you.

These guys came for your daughters.

HE LAUGHS

The Rolling Stones connect

with a post-w*r generation

eager for new music.

But the key to their success

is a reverence for a blues

sound steeped in history.

We did it through researching,

getting really soaked up in the

blues, you know.

We wanted to find out

..where the funkiest, swampiest

damn stuff came from, you know.

Hobo Blues

by John Lee Hooker

Keith Richards' choice of listening

music

is a great musicology course for

anybody.

He had a sort of evangelical drive

to expose people to the blues.

# When I first thought to hoboin'

# Hoboin'

# I took a freight train to be my

friend #

We would have a lot of

listening sessions in

Keith's room

with just all this great

black music.

And I think the Rolling Stones

actually tapping into that.

# You know I hobo'd, hobo'd,

hobo'd #

And expressing it in their way

is the evolution of the music,

as it should be.

# Oh, yeah. #

I think the whole wave

of music

that came out of England

in the mid 1960s

was a reflection of the best of

what we had cooked up over here

over the last 50 years.

They embraced it in the most

beautiful way.

They honoured that music.

# I left home that morning

# My mother followed me down

to that #

Being in America, to find out

that what we'd heard in England

was only the tip of an iceberg

and that you could burrow

far deeper,

and that for every guy that you knew

about,

there were ten others,

easily as good.

Music and the beat and the sounds

came from the motherland.

The black experience that is

soulful, that has a cry,

that has a deep understanding,

that touches hearts,

that communicates deeply.

The Rolling Stones took

it and ran and made it their own.

# Next time I start to hoboin'

# I'm going to have my baby

by my side

# And then I know my night

# It won't be so lonely #

We were just a bunch of guys

that loved our music,

were obsessed with our music,

but in our English fantasy

of America in the '50s,

it just sort of pulled you and

called you.

It was the place to be if you wanted

to be a musician.

Now, oh, something for the

youngsters.

Five singing boys from England

who've sold a lot of albums.

They're called The Rolling Stones.

I've been rolled while I was

stoned myself.

LAUGHTER

So I don't know what they're singing

about, but, uh

..here they are.

APPLAUSE

# I don't want you to

# Be no sl*ve

# I don't want you to

# Work all day

# I don't want you

# To be true

# I just wanna make love to you

# Love to you, baby

# Sweet love to you, baby

# Love to you

# I can tell by the way that you

twist and walk

# I can see by the way that you baby

talk #

The Rolling Stones sang our music

back to us.

But they were singing with us.

You know, I never felt

that they were singing to us.

I felt like they wanted

to be one of us.

I welcomed them.

I think we all welcomed them.

# I don't want you to be true

# I just wanna make love to you,

baby

# Love to you, baby

# Sweet love to you, baby

# Love to you, baby

# Love to you

# I

# Wanna make love

# To you. #

I was really excited

that somebody felt and

loved this music

as much as I did and would

dedicate their lives to playing it

and exposing people to it.

Some people thought they might

have been appropriating,

or this, that and the other thing.

Well, um, 'scuse me,

it's right here in your backyard,

and I don't see you doing anything

about it.

Cos it's been said that

the Rolling Stones

gave black music back to the

Americans.

How do you feel these black

musicians feel about The Stones?

I mean, I know people like

Muddy Waters, etc

..are really grateful, you know,

for

I mean, really, I mean, we did

very little.

I mean, all we said was that

we dug Muddy Waters, you know?

I mean, which happened to have a lot

of an effect for him, you know?

In his own life. It means more bread

for him,

because he got on to the white

college circuit

and things, which wouldn't

have happened, things like that.

But we weren't the only ones

to do it.

I mean, every English band

in the '60s that went to America,

you know, was

Came there and said,

"Well, you know, we've got our

"music from black records."

This is way beyond our dreams

of being the biggest R&B

band in London.

Muddy Waters has suddenly

got a hit record again.

John Lee Hooker is on the charts,

Slim Harpo and all of these people

that were totally unknown two years

before.

And we felt very proud of the

I mean, Jesus, what a mantle

we carry.

I still get a nice warm glow

out of turning everybody back

on to their own stuff.

To find yourself on the bill

with Muddy Waters

Whoa. Victory is ours.

You know, it's cool.

A reworking of music that was

already American

helps the Stones storm the States

and the world.

In just a matter of months,

their sound and image are number one

on both sides of the Atlantic.

We felt it was a gift coming

to America.

I mean, suddenly to be transplanted

from, er

..some wannabe

It was endlessly fascinating,

America.

After Dartford.

We grew into it.

And music grew into us and

..America changed rapidly in '64,

'65.

White America, when we first

came here,

was incredibly old-fashioned to us.

Our idea of America was modernity.

And once you got out there

in the sticks. Whoa!

You realise the incredible gap

there.

America was the Holy Grail.

It really, really was.

And it was to do with

not just

wanting to be big in America.

It was more that their fame

and notoriety

had given them an opportunity.

It was like a laminate,

a pass into American culture.

And I think that was the thing

with Keith.

He saw the Stones as this amazing

laminate

into the fabric of what made

American music what it was.

I think it's the call,

but the Americans were still playing

folk songs and folk music.

Basically through country music,

which always sounds like schmaltz to

a lot of people, I know,

but there's a lot of truth in

country music.

Wild Horses

by The Rolling Stones

I actually think that

The Rolling Stones

are some of the

first proponents

of what's now

called Americana music.

It's ironic, but you listen

to something like Wild Horses.

That's a pretty eclectic blend

of authentic American music styles

that no-one had really touched

on before.

They've written some of

the quintessential

country songs,

as far as I'm concerned.

# Childhood living #

They're so much more than an R&B

band,

and they're also extremely

brilliant pop song craftsmen.

I think they took Jimmy Reed and

Muddy Waters

and George Jones

and Merle Haggard

and brought it back to us with pop

hooks.

I don't know that there is a band

that can write better hooks

than The Rolling Stones.

I love that the Stones

can do that,

that they can take stuff

from their influencers

and do it their way.

They translate it and do it their

way.

That's another wonderful thing

they've taught me,

is how to put a song together.

# Wild horses

# Couldn't drag me away

# Wild, wild horses

# Couldn't drag me away #

One of the things people don't talk

about,

or I don't hear

talked about,

is what a great songwriter

Keith Richards is.

And I think it's because

he's so known as a guitarist

and also because he's so known

to be dissolute, or whatever,

that beautiful thing is that he is,

you know, that people,

I don't think, have really

recognised the extraordinary

contribution that he's made

through his songwriting.

I really remember a

particular,

period as a really

little guy

from Beggar's Banquet, Let It

Bleed, Sticky Fingers,

Exile on Main Street.

That was the period when the Stones

was the background music of my life.

It just kind of adds another

thread between this tapestry

of this marvellous backlog of

material that the Stones have.

It's like

..whoa! You know,

what a legacy and

..lucky dip. Take a song, you know?

Pick it out.

It soon becomes clear, writing,

as well as performing smash hits,

is the name of the game

if they want to be a new kind

of musical superstar.

We were working the clubs in London

and the Beatles just came out

and had a hit -

Love Me Do.

And we said, "Oh,

man, what a great record."

The Beatles suddenly explode.

And there's, there you are going

"Oh. Yeah, but we're a blues band."

The Beatles changed this whole

thing.

Our job was to be like the premier

rhythm and blues band in London,

and we managed that.

But we had no idea of

progressing beyond that stage.

Keith, he'd play The Beatles

all the time.

It'd drive me absolutely batty.

And why he was playing The Beatles

wasn't because he didn't want

to listen to anything else.

Keith wanted to write these pop

songs,

cos we're undeniably

the blues band,

but we

..knew we had to be a pop band.

We were just envious, too,

man, you know?

I mean, they're doing what we want,

you know, they got it.

You know? They can make records.

The Holy Grail was to make records,

to be able to get into a studio.

It was like diamonds!

You know, you'd think it was a gold

mine,

which in a way it was, you know

what I mean?

But you'd think you were invading

Fort Knox,

just to make a record.

Without The Beatles, The Stones

would never have been there.

The reason The Stones existed,

or got, made records,

was because the record industry

couldn't afford to lose another

Beatles.

We'd never have got in a recording

studio without them.

We would've sold,

and I probably did,

sell my soul just to be on

tape, just to get on record,

just to learn how records are made.

Recording is, still is, to me,

the most mysterious art.

I think he could live in a studio.

He just loves music.

Music is always part of his life.

Music is always on.

Music is always the backdrop

of his life.

And the guitar is always there,

the piano is always there.

Always has it right handy

whenever he wants it.

But he loves the process.

I think he loves the process

more than anything.

He loves developing a song.

He likes to write in a studio.

It's a kid's dream come true.

I mean, you're constantly living

those moments of, like,

"I've got a guitar strapped up, in a

studio to

"and we're cutting."

You know, and

..it's a surreal sensation in a

way.

Keith would come to the studio

and he'd have maybe

half an idea,

and he'd sit and play

it and play it

and play it and play

it on his own.

And then, when he got it almost

into shape,

Bill and Charlie would sit with him

and they'd play along with him

to help him develop the riff

into a song.

The Stones have a

great craft of songwriting,

and that is how to present it.

How to record it so that it knocks

your socks off and you go, "Whoa!"

What they've done is epic.

The way they were able to weave

these disparate elements together.

It's a magic trick.

What you do is the job

of a minstrel.

You know, songs evolve,

music evolves.

Keith was not the purist

of the band.

A blues purist.

Keith liked to write pop songs.

He wrote lots and lots of pop songs.

Ruby Tuesday, As Tears Go By.

He also wrote Angie.

I mean, these are not blues

songs as we know them.

These are pop songs that emanate,

really, from Keith, originally.

Keith's talent drives the band's

success,

but he's a reluctant star

Just to tell you

..struggling to handle the adoration

and fame that engulfs the band.

I'd have been quite happy

to make all these records

totally anonymously.

HE LAUGHS

But then, of course,

I mean, that's not possible.

I mean, hey, you've got to get out

there and put yourself out.

And I learnt how to do that and I

quite enjoyed it.

But I guess my refuge was heroin,

was drugs, and there I stayed

as long as I could.

Keith Richards on guitar.

# She drew out all her money at

the Southern Trust

# And put her little boy aboard a

Greyhound bus

# Leaving Louisiana for the Golden

West #

As his star rises,

keeping up with Keith in the 1970s

becomes a deadly game.

And his addiction to heroin

ultimately threatens the future of

the band.

I mean, the thing is,

most people

are kind of shy

and awkward

and they wouldn't have got

on a stage if they weren't loaded.

So it works in your favour

in the initial years,

but when it starts working

against you and you get addicted

to the drugs, cos they're

addictive, then you have a problem.

MUSIC ECHOES AND DISTORTS

Everybody's got a

different metabolism,

a different way of dealing with

that amount of adoration.

I just felt that as long as I kept

myself to myself,

that, er, you know, there was no

reason for them

to make any big fuss about it.

Keith's transformation confirms

him

as an international icon of

rebellion.

And a target for the authorities.

Late in the winter of '77,

Richards is in Toronto

..where the Rolling Stones

are set to perform.

We went to Toronto

to do this concert.

I remember

when the police

were walking up the staircase

..and wondering

what that was all about.

The day before, Keith's girlfriend,

Anita Pallenberg,

arrives at Toronto Airport

and as the Canadian Police

search her belongings,

they find her in possession

of hashish.

An investigation begins

that leads the police

all the way to Keith's hotel room.

Of course, he was found with drugs

and heroin and

all that kind of stuff

because he had a habit at the time

and the history of The

Rolling Stones changed on a dime.

The Rolling Stones is one of

the most famous rock groups

in the world.

A week ago, lead guitarist

Keith Richards was charged

with possession of heroin

for the purpose of trafficking.

It was actually terrifying

because he realised

he was up for, you know,

it could be 20 years of prison.

I think the reason I was taking it

was how to deal with

fame and pressure

and it's one way to run away.

I wouldn't recommend it

to anybody

but there again it's

a personal choice, I don't know,

and it's a rough old world

and sometimes you need something

to blank it out.

And it probably ain't worth

the ride.

It was the realisation in Canada

that I was actually

jeopardising the band.

And if they were going

to put me away,

I mean, it was bye-bye,

you know.

If I get out of this and don't

have to cold turkey in jail,

I'm going to go and clean up.

He just made a commitment,

"I'm going to get this together,"

because, at that point,

it was music or drugs -

and music was far more important

than drugs.

How do you think this conviction is

going to affect you and your music

and The Rolling Stones?

I don't know. I just want to get on

with it now that it's over,

you know, just get on with

what I'm supposed to be doing

instead of worrying about this,

you know.

Do you think it will have

any effect, then?

I don't know.

Might get a song out of it.

STADIUM CHEER

Ladies and gentlemen

The Rolling Stones!

UPROAR FROM CROWD

It's not drugs, fashion

or lifestyle choices

that will define Keith's story.

It's his talent

..that marks him out as

one of the most important

and influential artists of our age.

Keith is all about feel

and instinct.

If he's writing a song,

he may have two chords

and he's perfectly happy to sit

there and play those two chords

for two hours.

And he's just waiting for

the next part of the song to come

but he's not going to force it.

He's going to just keep playing

this mantra until something appears.

And it always does.

I really do like a striking intro

to records,

especially a rock and roll record,

you know,

and I'm talking about

that particular format.

But if an intro can grab you,

you're going to be in

for at least a few more minutes.

And if the riff behind that intro

grabs you, then,

then, you've pretty much got 'em.

MACHINE CLICKS

INTRODUCTION TO GIMME SHELTER

If you listen to

The Rolling Stones' records,

Keith wrote some

unbelievable intros.

Gimme Shelter

by The Rolling Stones

Every guitar player in the world

went, "Wow!"

And, you know, "How did he do that?"

Well, he took off one string.

There's five strings.

I take the bottom string goes off,

and then, you tune the rest

of the strings to the chord of G.

That tuning of his,

there's

something menacing

about that.

Just to weave that

in the centre of the groove.

That is a brilliant guitar sound.

It says so much with so little.

Holy smoke!

There's something about

the intonation of the notes,

the separation and the point

that I would say is almost mystical

that when hitting it the right way

in the right moment,

you know - cheap ride to heaven.

# My very life today

# If I don't get some shelter

# Ooh, yeah, I'm gonna fade away

# w*r, children #

Silence is your canvas,

for a musician,

and it's how much

you fill in the canvas

and how much light you let through.

It's something you really don't

know, it's almost intuitive.

You do it by feel,

really, on instinct.

# Ooh, see the fire is sweepin' #

There is a Keith Richards' sound

and a Keith Richards'

approach to the guitar

that just is unlike

anything that

I've ever heard from anyone else.

There's a certain type of way that

he plays in the middle of the neck

and a certain hammering, slashing.

# w*r, children

# It's a just a shot away #

I just love riffs. I just love

a greatconnection of notes

that can repeat themselves over

and over without being monotonous,

without being boring,

and that's what a good riff is.

It's the same old thing

but it keeps changing.

People will still be

trying

to play what he plays

50 years from now.

There won't be another.

GUITAR SOLO

It's tough to characterise

Keith Richards' guitar playing.

I believe it's a really organic

extension of who he is, of his soul.

It's no different than speaking,

it's no different than walking.

It's just a musical manifestation

of who he is

and not all musicians are like that.

Keith's always known

what he wants on the guitar.

The way he plays is

he establishes the sound first -

with Pierre, his guitar tech -

and various ways of achieving

the desired effect.

This is where he picks.

It's so worn out that some

of the dots have come out.

He's lost a tooth here.

HE CHUCKLES

This actually looks scalloped,

but it's not,

it's just for how worn out it is.

He's actually wearing out

the fingerboard here,

and that's typical of where

he strums - up in this region.

It's great when you see

the person

that you listened to so

many years ago

still having a relationship

with their instrument.

You've got five strings.

There's only three notes

because there's two doubles,

two sets of Ds,

two sets of Gs, and a B.

So, the way it rings,

the way certain things ring,

you don't hear that

on a normal guitar.

It's definitely

not about filling it up.

If you're still thinking about

what you can add

instead of what you need

to take away,

you're still at

the beginning stages.

I didn't want to be a guitar player.

I wanted to makenoise

and if it took using a guitar

to do it, I'd do it.

I became a pretty good one

inin some respects.

I suppose, really, I'm saying

that I use the guitar really

as a percussion instrument.

It's a rhythm thing for me.

ErmI do love, you know,

playing solos,

but I've always said to myself

that solos come and go,

a riff lasts forever.

HE LAUGHS

You know, it sort of rounds it off.

It doesn't sound wrong

if it doesn't rhyme.

Play us a quick one.

Really?

KEITH STRUMS GUITAR

MICK VOCALISES WITH GUITAR

Mick and I in those days

used to sit around with guitars

and we'd write, that's what we did.

# I know you find it hard

# To reason with me

# Ba-ba, ba-ba-ba

# But this time it's different, oh

# Ba-ba-ba

# Darling, you'll see

# You got to tell me

you're coming back to me #

Writing songs and making records,

it's like a jigsaw puzzle.

There's always that thing of

not quite knowing

what's going to come up next.

When it all locks into position,

it is quite an incredible sensation

and everybody that's involved

in doing that when it's happening

knows that for a moment you're

in a special place, a special time

and, you know, you feel

actually where you feel very

privileged to actually be there.

Every great song is born

of conversation.

It really takes the two of them to

create that synergy and that energy.

I mean, they're the perfect

yin and yang.

Mick is the guy that brings it.

Keith is the guy that holds it down.

That rhythm is undeniable.

I mean, he's the guy that

took Chuck Berry

and took Johnnie Johnson's

whole thing

and brought it to a rock guitar

and an open tuning.

You can write great songs

with people

but when there is a dynamic there

that's bigger than the two of you,

that's where the great stuff lives.

It's the kind of a band

that was built on "we",

not "me".

It took the chemistry of

all of them to make it work.

You can't say, "Oh, if I wrote

Angie, it's like, listen to this."

And Keith's like, "That's a load of

sh*t, I want to write blues."

No, it's the other way around.

It's Keith saying,

"Listen to this melody."

And I'm going I could say,

"That's not the blues.

That'sthat's like

"that's bordering saccharine

ballads, you know."

But I didn't say that, of course,

it's a very beautiful song.

So, what I'm trying to say is

that The Rolling Stones

are many, many things.

And one of the good things

about The Rolling Stones is that

they embrace a lot of

kinds of music.

Yes, they're a blues band.

Yes, they're a rock band.

Yes, they did things

like Paint It Black.

Yes, they did like classic rock.

Yes, they did dance songs.

You have to push innovation a bit

sometimes

because people get older, they

just want to stick in one thing.

I think with Mick and

Keith over the years,

they have an acceptance,

you know,

a total respect for each other

in terms of what they both

bring to the band.

And I think it's valid, actually,

to think that

Mick has always been

the one driving them forward.

It's always been Keith

that's been aware of

the credibility of

the music they're making

to make sure

it continues to be rooted.

Keith had said, "Listen,

we are still this blues band,

"irrespective of the pyrotechnics

and 200,000 people in the audience.

"We're still that band that played

The Marquee in 1962 to 100 people."

That is Keith looking back

and holding on to

that rare musical depth

and Mick propelling the band

into whatever the future

may bring for them.

CROWD SINGING

If it comes out of The Rolling

Stones, it's The Rolling Stones.

Now and again, Mick and I

have come up with a song

HE LAUGHS

..looked at each other and gone,

"No, not The Stones, no, no!"

# Please allow me

to introduce myself

# I'm a man of wealth and taste #

There are few

songwriting partnerships

to match Jagger and Richards.

And despite their fair share

of disagreements,

their relationship has endured

against all the odds.

# And I was 'round when Jesus Christ

# Had his moment of

doubt and pain #

You had this image of those two guys

being the first real example

of a lead singer/lead guitar

player relationship.

# Pleased to meet you

# Hope you guess my name

# But what's confusing you

Is just the nature of my game

# Stuck around St Petersburg #

Mick wants to be the

leader.

He's the leader of

the pack.

Keith doesn't give a f*ck

about being a leader

but he thinks he really is.

They're completely different.

Mick wants to try new

things.

He is very much a part of

whatever's going on.

Keith is technophobic.

That is one of the things that

still makes the edge between them.

We all have separate lives,

separate identities,

and musically, they're yin and yang.

They're joined at the hip.

Has there been times when

the

disagreements have flared

up?

Of course there has.

But I think you take a deep breath,

you look at each other and say,

"Wait a minute. Last time I checked,

"the whole is greater

than the sum of its parts."

Even at times when Mick and Keith

weren't at their best

relationship-wise,

I would dare you

to get between them.

There's a bond there

that can't be broken.

To do it for this long, Mick and I

both look at each other

HE CHUCKLES

We must be doing something right!

I don't know what it is.

The idea of turning people on

for 60 years is like, whoa!

HE LAUGHS

But the thing is relentless.

It's like being a juggernaut.

# Guess my name #

You see them walk to the stage

as older guys,

and they climb the stairs,

and each stair,

another piece of energy comes up.

And then, they go out.

It's like a shot of lightning.

# Just call me Lucifer #

It's like going to

Never Never Land.

# I'm in need of some restraint

# So if you meet me

# Have some courtesy

# Sympathy and some taste #

The music comes first.

Writing, recording,

performing music -

that's where they're at.

When they finally step off the stage

for the last time,

we will all know that we shall never

see anything like that ever again.

# Yes

# What's confusing you

Is just the nature of my game

# Yes #

CROWD NOISE

Come on!

Yeah!

MUSIC CONTINUES, CROWD CHEERING

I mean, God knows what I'd have been

like if I didn't do this -

my wildest nightmare.

Really, all you wanted to do

was play music,

trying to get it better,

trying to get the band tighter.

MUSIC ENDS, CROWD ROARS

Not many people get

a chance to do this

with thousands of people,

you know, as a job.

CROWD CHEERS

Ole, ole, ole, ole!

You know, when you're exchanging

that much appreciation

to each other,

it is profoundly touching.

Music is a resilient thing.

And sometimes I think,

God, is it the only thing we've got

that we can trust?

HE CHUCKLES

CROWD CONTINUES TO ROAR, WHISTLING

I gave up many years ago

trying to analyse this bunch

and why it works and how it works.

I've found the best remedy is

to put them all together in a room

and say, "It goes like this -

one, two, three, four,"

and all the problems go away.

CROWD CONTINUES CHEERING