01x01 - And That’s How We Met Sam Bateman

[bunniefuu]

[man] Wait, Christine, wait.
I'm gonna get you from the front too.

-Okay.
-[man] I got it from the back.

All right, this looks good.

[pensive music playing]

[Christine] In 2016,

my husband and I moved to Short Creek
on the Utah-Arizona border.

It's the fundamentalist
Mormon version of Mecca.

-[automated voice] You have a call from…
-[Warren] Warren Jeffs.

[automated voice] You may
start the conversation now.

[Christine] At the time, their prophet,
Warren Jeffs, was in prison.

[reporter] Guilty of two counts of felony
sexual as*ault against two girls.

[Christine] We heard
how dangerous this town was.

We heard it was the most reclusive,
isolated town in America.

[reporter 1] Warren Jeffs
may be in prison,

but he's apparently
still very much in charge.

[reporter 2] Jeffs led
the polygamous sect,

the Fundamentalist Church
of Latter-day Saints.

But I felt drawn to come here
to help these people.

And they said,
"We don't need outsider help."

You're trespassing.

Well, guess what? Yes, they did.

Yes, they f*cking did.

People who think this story came to an end
with Warren going to prison are wrong.

They've left a very vulnerable population
wide open to predators.

We didn't know who we could trust.

[man] Sam Bateman saw himself
being an heir apparent to Warren Jeffs.

That tells you all you need to know.

Predators don't come in
dressed with their horns and their cape.

They come in
dressed in their suit and tie.

[Sam] The only reason I'm rich

is Heavenly Father
blessed me with these girls.

-[giggling]
-Everybody wants to jump in, huh?

[woman] He said,

"Are you having temptations
to report Samuel to the law?"

-[gasps]
-[man] What?

Tolga, we have to…
I have to turn this tape in.

[Tolga] We're the only ones in,
so we gotta get in more.

Yeah, face the curtain.
Nice. Stay that way a little bit.

[Christine] I wasn't there to betray them.

I don't know if it's traitors or what.

I was there to save them.

[officer] This is the police!
I want your hands above your head!

[Christine] Are you a prophet?

[chuckles]

I would be a liar if I said I wasn't.

[unsettling music playing]

[music fades]

[Tolga] Go ahead.

Here we go.

[Tolga] There she goes.

[intriguing music playing]

There we go.

[music continues]

We're basically moving to the Crick.

I mean, it is absolutely crazy out here.

Especially for me. I'm a record producer.
What the hell am I doing out here?

[Christine] There we are. We're moving in.

Colorado City. [exhales]

[Tolga] Gloves off.

Okay, it's makeshift, okay?

We gave up the life of comfort.

[grunts]

[woman chuckles]

For the life among the polygamists.

[music fades]

[Christine] Go this way.

I'm gonna walk this way.

-Tolga, you go this way.
-[Tolga] I'm gonna do ten different shots.

-Stop.
-[exhales sharply]

[pensive music playing]

[Christine] When we got here,

we felt like
we were in the Wild, Wild West.

There were no outsiders here. I mean,
there was maybe one other outside family.

That I knew of.

-Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
-[Christine panting]

[Christine] My husband Tolga is
a music video producer and a photographer.

And so of course, when we moved
to this town, he wanted to document it.

[Tolga] Hold on.

So…

This is where the FLDS community
gets their food supplies.

It's not just FLDS.
A lot of people come here.

Well, that's true. Right. A lot of people
come here. Including… myself.

[chuckling]

[inaudible]

[woman] When Christine came along,

everybody was leery of her

because nobody knew what she was about.

We always had people looking at us
like we were a freak show.

[speaking indistinctly]

[woman] So there was a lot of speculation
among our people

that they were just here to do something
for TV or write a book or something.

[Tolga] We're documenting it all.

They were a very eccentric couple,
and it was very odd.

He was from Turkey,

and he had long hair
with a little ponytail,

and she was like a little blonde… [laughs]

…like, Hollywood girl.

She wore a lot of vintage clothing,

which I thought was darling.

But I didn't know for sure
why she was here.

Nobody has to buy water here.

It's so beautiful to come up here.

-It's not work. It's like… inspiration.
-[woman] Yeah, I know. It's true.

[Christine] I felt a sense of calling

that I wanted to move here.

[music fades]

Long ago, I used to be Mormon.

I was mainstream Mormon,

but I was absolutely zealous and devoted.

[tender music playing]

Mormons believe in prophets.

And I met a man who persuaded me
that he was a modern-day prophet.

And I decided, if this man was a prophet,

I was going to be completely obedient.

I had to do what he said or risk my soul.

Little by little, I got more confused,

and I lost my critical thinking.

Before I knew it,

I was so broken.

I didn't even know who I was anymore.

So I then spent the next decade

reading everything I could about cults.

I became an expert in cult psychology.

I believed that every single person
who was FLDS needed to be rescued

from irrational cultic beliefs
and brainwashing.

But I felt connected to these people.

So all of this made me believe

that I could be helpful here.

And when I got here,

I learned that the FLDS were floundering.

[music fades]

[man] In the aftermath
of Warren Jeffs's incarceration,

the community has really been
fraying and fragmenting.

[pensive music playing]

Warren Jeffs wound up
in a prison down in Texas.

He's been there a long time.

But I've been around the story
long enough to know incarcerating Warren

would do nothing to diminish his power.

Having him in prison
doesn't change what he is.

You know, Heavenly Father hasn't
appointed another to be the prophet.

So as far as we're concerned,
he's still the prophet.

-Do you know what happened in that trial?
-I don't want to know anything about it.

You don't want to know anything about it?
How come?

Just don't want to.

I shut myself off
to that negative about him, I--

-[reporter] You don't believe it's true?
-I know it's not true.

[Mike] Warren Jeffs became more powerful
because he's now a martyr.

And from his prison in Texas,
he would put out edicts.

[Warren] Behold that which you hear,
the revelations of God.

[Mike] He told his congregation,
"No more marriages."

He told them to stop having sex.

Because he's not having
any sort of intimate contact,

apparently nobody else could.

[woman] We weren't supposed
to be getting married.

We couldn't have marital relations.

Even with your husband,
then we didn't hug anymore.

We've been taught our whole lives
that not one year should go by

without a child being born.

And now there were no more children.

Nobody was having babies.

[music intensifies]

-[Christine] Oh my gosh.
-[dog barking]

Look at these cribs.

[Tolga] Holy mackerel. This is where
they took all the cribs and bassinets

after you couldn't have children anymore.

There are just hundreds and hundreds
of FLDS cribs in here.

[Christine] Wow.

[disturbing music playing]

[woman] You have a group of people
who are paralyzed,

waiting for their leader
to be released from prison,

not knowing
what the right steps are to do.

And around 2015,

Warren seemed to be getting
more mentally unstable,

and he stopped communicating
with almost everyone outside of prison.

[Mike] And then in 2016,

the outside government came in

and took control of the town away
from the FLDS and Warren Jeffs.

The court sort of took control
of the entire community.

[Carole] The prophet was gone.

We weren't getting directive.

[birds chirping]

We were a very, very vulnerable

and hungry… people.

[music fades]

[drill whirring]

[Christine] When we got to Short Creek,

we began to see
what the FLDS were going through.

[intriguing music playing]

[indistinct conversation]

[Christine] We started seeing
endless moving trailers

packing up and leaving town.

We learned that, when the town
had been taken over by the state of Utah,

the FLDS started being evicted
from their homes.

I need you off the property.

[woman] I'm not gonna be off the property.

-Okay, then I'll call the police.
-I want you to kick me out of my home.

Because in order for them
to stay in their homes,

they had to sign a document

that they believed
was a violation of their religion.

Take a picture of this.

[Christine] This is an eviction

of somebody
who was just evicted last week,

moved over temporarily into this house.

So, Tolga and I
just started documenting these things.

Do you need help?
Can we help him? Do you need help?

I don't know what's going on,
but this looks really wrong.

I feel bad for these people.

This was my great-grandfather
Elmer's homestead.

It's just totally heartless.

[Christine] We just saw
what I felt was injustice,

and no one cared because they were FLDS

and had been painted
with the crimes of Warren Jeffs.

So, we thought,

well, maybe we could do a documentary
and tell the other side of the story

of these FLDS people
because they're so stigmatized.

[Tolga] Okay, that's rolling.

And this is rolling.
Oh, I'm not rolling yet.

I have to do this, so…

it syncs to audio on both cameras.

We wanted to help people understand
the positive side of the community.

[Tolga] You look like
you're going on a safari.

[Norma laughs]

-[Tolga] What's with the hat?
-I wanted to look like a producer.

Okay, Tolga, I'm gonna do it.

Let's do a little orientation,
um, real quick.

[Tolga] Okay, do it.

Okay. So, if he's filming,
if you see Tolga with a camera,

then don't call his name
and don't call my name.

We wanna show the regular life.
We wanna show the truth.

[Norma] It took us a while
to totally trust,

but she really knew
how to get into people's hearts

and put 'em at ease.

So, the FLDS people consider themselves
to be like the real Mormons, right?

Yeah, we just feel like that we wanna
live it fundamentally, in its purity.

-Yeah, okay.
-And…

[Norma] I didn't know about her backstory.

I didn't know anything
about her ventriloquism.

[Christine] Happy birthday to you.

I happen to be a ventriloquist.

By the way, this is Zucchini.
She's my scarecrow.

I'm not just a scarecrow.

I'm half scarecrow, half cookie.

Oh yeah…

Before I moved here,
I lived a very colorful life.

I had all kinds of adventures.

[announcer] Miss Michigan,
Christine Marie.

[audience cheering, applauding]

[Christine] I am a former Miss Michigan,

an escape artist,

a certified life coach.

We're gonna make vowel babies.

I love these.

So, what you do
is cut out two pieces of fabric.

[Tolga] When I met Christine, she had
a TV show called Gingerbread House,

and she was teaching kindergarten.

I've never met
anybody like her in my life.

I would catch her doing crazy stuff,
helping out people.

Dean is here.

He collected up a bunch of donations
for our community.

[man] Yeah, we got…

[Christine] As we were making
the documentary,

I also launched a nonprofit
called Voices for Dignity.

We would bring comfort bags
and resource lists.

And these are all new backpacks
and duffel bags.

[Christine] You're kidding. Woo!

We needed a way
for the women to have an income,

so Christine created Short Creek Cottage,

where we'd sell homemade items.

[Christine] Oh, that's adorable.

I don't know how I would have survived
without this cottage.

Yeah, let's do… let's do it with energy.

I had gained their trust.

[pensive music playing]

I thought, what an honor
and unique position it was for me.

-How'd you get down? Tell Tolga.
-I landed.

[giggling]

-I had to. [giggles]
-How did you get down?

I decided whether people leave the church
or don't, I want them to be okay.

And that I would never say
anything negative about their prophet,

because I have the unique opportunity
to help people.

Why would they come to somebody
fighting against their way of life?

[music fades]

[Tolga] Wait one second, Christine, wait.

You can turn that one on.
Hold on. Wait, guys.

[Christine] We were very excited about
this documentary project we were making.

[Tolga in singsong] I'm getting video.

[Christine] By this point,

it was just known
that Tolga's around with a camera.

-♪ Tolga! He's got a big lookin' camera! ♪
-[Tolga chuckling]

♪ He's video-ing everyone
Around the world too! ♪

[engine revving]

[Christine] And that's how
we met Sam Bateman.

Hey, Christine.

-Come right through here.
-Okay.

-I'll push all this out of the way.
-[Christine] Okay, thanks.

All right. Got it.

[Christine] In the community,

Sam was not generally a man with status.

I don't mind doing things that

could break my leg or something
if I wasn't careful.

[Christine] When I first met Sam Bateman,
I didn't think much about him.

He had got an eviction notice.

[crickets chirping]

And he asked me to help,

which I did.

[enigmatic music playing]

At that time, he said,
"I'm not doing very well."

"I am in financially dire straits."

He and his wife were getting a divorce,

and he was a broken man.

People thought of Sam Bateman
as kind of a shlub.

He could never seem
to make money at his jobs.

He was looking for, you know, a lifeline.

[music continues]

I didn't see him for some time.

And then Sam reappears with a new wife.

[Sam] Okay. All better. There you are.

[Christine] Over 18,
but young and beautiful.

Where should I look?

[Tolga] You can just look at him
or Christine.

[Christine] Look at me.

Keep in mind,
people are not getting married

because the prophet
stopped marrying people.

-[Sam's wife] I have…
-[Christine] Is it an iPhone?

[Esther] I remember thinking,
"That's interesting."

How did Sam get a new wife,
you know? [chuckles]

You know, somebody's…
been doing something that

wasn't put together by the prophet.

-What background do you want? That?
-[Tolga] This one.

-Yeah.
-[Christine] Okay.

The next time I saw Sam,
he had another wife.

Again, over 18.

And the younger sister of the first wife.

[music fades]

[indistinct chatter]

[Norma] I was running
the Short Creek Cottage.

-[soft music playing]
-[baby babbling]

And Sam showed up outside in the back.

He was in a vehicle with a trailer.
Like a flatbed trailer.

♪ There's a gift we all can give
To help along the way… ♪

And I went out, and it was,
like, just… dripping with women.

♪ There are so many things to do ♪

[Esther] He'd showed up
with all of these wives singing.

I was like, "Really?"

How did that happen? [chuckles]

[unsettling music playing]

There were babies too.

It was like they clear forgot
some of our core beliefs.

[inaudible]

[Esther] It was really strange to me.

All these women and girls.

[music intensifies]

[inaudible]

I had no desire to be…
close to that situation.

I just started avoiding all of 'em.

Everybody that I heard
was involved with him, I just…

Okay, I don't wanna go there. [chuckles]

[man] Sam was always kind of a joke
in our whole friend group.

So at first, I didn't believe it.

I thought it was funny.

But when Warren goes
to a whole group of people and says,

"Thou shalt not have sex,"

I'll bet you that lasts
about two and a half mi-- milliseconds.

Why? Because you can't proselyte
human nature out of humans.

They're gonna do it.

And guess what? They did.

[Christine] Sam is apparently doing
his own version of being FLDS.

Getting married, having babies,

and who knows what else.

The FLDS community shunned Sam.

They knew something was wrong.
Red flag, Sam is shunned.

[speaking indistinctly]

I don't shun.

If you shun, you can't help.

If you attack, they're not gonna
come to you when they're in need.

[Sam] You wanna go flyin'?

[Christine] Oh, it's working.
Okay, so what happened?

Just seeing Sam with all these females

is concerning in and of itself.

So I wanted to figure out
what was going on.

[speaking indistinctly]

Sam invited Tolga and I to come to dinner

at a house where Sam
and a lot of his wives lived.

[indistinct chatter]

-Hi.
-[Christine] Hey.

There were a lot of people there,
but mostly young women.

[women laughing, chattering]

And then some very small children.

[gentle music playing]

They gave us their Sunday best.

And then after dinner,

they started singing to us
like a talent show.

[man] I think these little girls
want to sing you a song too.

-[Tolga] Okay.
-[man] Some might.

-[Tolga] All right.
-[Christine] Oh, that'd be wonderful.

[Tolga] I wanna go here
so I get everybody.

If you guys don't all fit in the camera,

I have to, like, keep turning,
I guess, like this.

[chuckling]

All right, we're ready for the song.

♪ An inheritance ♪

♪ With our Savior ♪

♪ In Zion… ♪

I had alarm bells ringing everywhere.

♪ Is everlasting ♪

I knew that Sam was married
to some of these women,

you know, even these young women.

But there were rumors
that he was married to the children.

[Tolga] And this group is called?

[woman] Us. [laughs]

[Tolga] Okay.

-How old are you guys?
-[Sam] Didn't you make the words and the…?

-[Tolga] What?
-We're both 10.

[Tolga] Really?

[contemplative music playing]

[Christine] After the dinner
and talent show,

I talked to a police officer.

[man] The Colorado City/Hildale City
Police Department

is a department that's contracted

to manage policing services
on both sides of the border

in Utah and in Arizona.

We here in Colorado City/Hildale

have… a nice little community.

The nickname's "the Crick."

It's been kind of a sanctuary place

for people who practice plural marriage.

Prior to Christine Marie speaking to us,

members of the community
had reached out to the police department

on a number of occasions
about Sam Bateman.

We had heard that he was trying
to gather members of the FLDS community

to his new offshoot,

that he was gathering multiple wives,

and that some of those wives
may be underage.

It was obviously cause for concern.

But I told Christine Marie at the time

that unless we could establish
that some criminal act occurred,

we did not have a crime to investigate.

Okay.

[Christine] Sergeant Wilkinson told me,

"It's not a crime to call someone
your wife, even if it's a child."

"What's a crime is to do
something with that child,

something like to molest that child."

And I didn't have that information.

-[indistinct chatter]
-[baby crying]

[Christine] So I'm paying attention
to any clue I can get.

And Sam started inviting us to things
and wanting us to film.

[Tolga] Wow, how many people
are coming out of there? Wow.

-[women chuckling]
-[Tolga] What in the world?

[curious music playing]

[Christine] It was uncanny.

We would go on a hike up in the mountains.

Sam would be there.

[Tolga] How's it going?

That was amazing.
I'm gonna shake your hand.

That was like,
how do you get up those rocks like that?

And then we got an idea.

[phone beeps]

[Sam] Hello, Tolga.

[Tolga] Hey, brother.

Sorry, my voice is so bad,
but I just got back into town, so…

[clears throat] …I'm gonna bring you
a little surprise. Is that okay?

It's your birthday, so I wanted to kind of
film it and give this to you. [chuckles]

The idea was,

if they let us film…

-Happy birthday!
-[Tolga] Where's the birthday boy?

[Christine] …maybe if we spent
more time with them

and developed a relationship with them,

maybe we would see
what was really going on.

Was he sexually abusing
any of these girls?

-[Tolga] How old are we now?
-[Sam] Thank you, 46.

[Tolga] Forty-six? Okay, good.

Did you have a good birthday?

[Christine] What did you do
for his birthday?

-[Sam's wife] We're doing it tomorrow.
-Tomorrow? Okay.

[Christine] I'm so glad
we came tonight, then.

This is for the king.

-[Tolga] Yes.
-[women chuckling]

[Christine] We were gonna
literally bring you a crown.

[Tolga] We wanted to get a crown,
but we couldn't find any, so…

-[laughs]
-Well, thank you.

What I told them is,

"I'll go in my room and shut the door,

and you sing 'Happy Birthday'
while I'm there."

-[women laughing]
-[Tolga] Oh.

[music fades]

[Christine] Sam, I learned,

was the actual leader of this new group.

The Samuelite Group.

They all lived in the same house.

A big blue house.

[inquisitive music playing]

[indistinct chatter]

[Christine] The group was very small,

less than 50 people,
and that includes babies.

Besides Sam,
there were three main families involved.

He recruited Torrance Bistline.

Torrance was a very motivated businessman.

Sam also recruited Ladell Bistline Jr.

and Moroni Johnson.

I was so lacking
in that gift of revelation.

I could not do it without Samuel's help.

I love him more than I love anyone,
and I will do what he asks me to do.

And he has proven it and proven it,
and God is my witness.

[Christine] All the men in Sam's group
had status in the community,

and they all were successful.

And I thought,

why are they going for Sam, of all people?

[music fades]

[Shirlee] For the FLDS,

everyone was expected
to be obedient to the prophet.

That's the way to heaven.

So they're dying to hear from Warren,

dying to know what their next step was.

[somber music playing]

It's been five, six, seven years

since some of these people
have heard from Warren.

[Christine] Now suddenly,

Sam came up with

that Warren Jeffs has actually died,

and the media is lying to you,
as they always do,

and it's just a mannequin
that's in his room.

[keyboard clacking]

And Sam said,
"I am now Warren Jeffs's messenger."

"He's giving me this direction
from the other side of death."

[Shirlee] This, in fact,
was what Warren had said

when his father died.

His father had been the prophet,

and Warren said that his father
was now speaking through him.

And so what Sam told his followers

was that Warren had left his body

and that he was now speaking
through Samuel.

The other night we were talking,
and he said,

"This is the spirit of Uncle Warren."

And I thought, that's pretty bold.

[Christine laughing] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

But if he didn't say it,
he'd have never woke me up

and never started down the path
of waking me up.

He is now the mouthpiece for Warren Jeffs.

I can feel… people's spirits.

I can feel it. The spirit. It's a gift.

[keyboard clacking]

[Lamont] Sam decided that the mantle
of Warren Jeffs had fallen upon him.

I mean, sh*t,
you take people's faith away,

they'll do anything to feel it.

[Christine] Moroni was the first person
to believe in Sam.

And because Sam was now the prophet,

he agreed to turn over his daughters,

even his very young daughters,
to marry Sam.

By the time we met Moroni,

he had given all of his daughters to Sam.

[Moroni] I surrender

the ladies under my care.

They belong to Father Samuel.

What he chooses to do with them
is his business.

[Christine] Moroni had many wives,

and most of those wives married Sam.

And then Sam starts taking

Ladell's daughters

and his wife

and other women in his care.

[Ladell] And I says,
"Samuel, she's yours."

And he said, "God bless you."

[Christine] So your whole family is now
going to be sealed to Samuel?

[Ladell] Mm-hmm.

However it might look to an earthly mind,

you don't have any clue.

Those girls love him.

I'll testify that to the whole world.

I've seen it.

[women giggling]

[Christine] Everybody
in a fundamental Mormon group

want to be associated with the prophet.

They want to be
the right-hand man of the prophet.

They want to be the wife of the prophet.

It's like being the wife of God.

And if you're a believer,
who wouldn't want that?

[music fades]

[Carole] Several of my nieces ended up

marrying him.

It gave them the opportunity
to have children.

And… I could…

[spluttering] I just felt like,
but by the grace of God, that could be me.

[pensive music playing]

[Esther] It was really hard for me to see

these people that
I really loved and respected

go that way.

You know, Lud and Torrance are my nephews.

So I did know

a lot of 'em very well.

[Christine] Now that he's a prophet,

Sam would use his power
to make his desires known.

Torrance had a very successful
green energy company

that was making a lot of money.

Moroni and Ladell worked for this company.

And I learned that Sam's followers
were subsidizing his lifestyle.

We found out where he lived,

and so we'd drive by it
every couple of days

and see how many cars he had there.

And then all of a sudden, holy crap.

[Tolga] That's basically the Bateman crew

and their fleet of vehicles
driving by my house.

[Esther] They'd have a whole motorcade
with a Range Rover and two Bentleys

and then another Range Rover.

And they'd drive around town and show off.

It was really sort of a…

a f*ck you to all the men

who had dissed on Sam and thought
he wasn't important in his life.

He wanted to show those men
that he was the king.

[music fades]

[birds chirping]

Did you ever hear the story

of our Jan's Canyon experience?

It was a training…
It was a training I was giving the girls.

It was so dang deep.

It looks… It looks small on the surface,
but it was… it was eternal.

I… I could feel it from the start.

[Christine] Is it something
we should film them talking about?

[Sam] Oh, I… I think so, yeah.

[Christine] At some point,

Sam started believing that
he should be the star of our documentary.

[women laughing]

What could be better than
blessing the world with his… his presence,

his face, his teachings?

[intriguing music playing]

[Christine] Hi, Samuel.

Okay, we're coming with cameras.

Okay.

[Christine] Sam's calling us saying,
"Can you come film this?"

We play along.

The rule of thumb was,
if Sam wanted us to spend time,

we were gonna go. This is our new job.

-[Sam's wife 1] We brought Christine!
-[Christine] Hi!

-[chuckling]
-Hi, Christine.

[Christine] We are going on an adventure.

Tolga was making money doing music videos,

but now his career was on hold.

His life is on hold.

He wanted us to film all the time.

[Sam] I'd like some videos
of me just walking real fast.

My day would start out,
eight o'clock in the morning,

"Tolga, Sam wants you
to go film him on the motorcycle."

[Christine] Tolga, he's there.
You see him?

[engine revving]

[Tolga] He was the worst.
He couldn't jump the motorcycle.

He couldn't do anything.
I had to sit there and watch him

like a fool.

[Tolga] Amazing.

He would say,
"I want you to watch me hike."

[Tolga] Wow, you're really talented.
I didn't know that.

-Where did you learn to do that?
-What, to hike? Just hiking, huh?

We're here with Sam and the girls,

and he's, um, facilitating
a reenactment of an experience.

There's a message in it.
It's like a life lesson,

and he wanted that captured,
so we're doing it.

[Sam] So this is kind of how it was.

[Christine] Did you say,
"Pray for me," right?

[Sam] Oh yeah, I didn't say that, did I?

-Should we do that one again?
-[Tolga] Yeah.

Pray for me.

-That works.
-[Tolga] Perfect.

I can't guarantee this is…

this is the right path.

[Tolga] Watch the cactus.

[Sam] Girls, I've been wondering
when you'd come down.

I'm not displeased with you, but this is
a lesson that people have to learn,

is that you can communicate
through the spirit of God.

Okay. What?
Should we do it again, or what?

[music fades]

[Christine] Then one day,

Sam called in the morning,

and he said he had an impression.

Now, an "impression" is
like God's telling you something.

"I had an impression from the Lord

that you and Tolga

need to come over to my house this morning

and we need to tell you some things."

[Sam] Oh my goodness, thank you.

[Sam's wife] It might be a bit slushy
because it was in the freezer.

[Christine] He had all these women
and children there.

[Sam] Because it's like
they're here to protect us…

And then Sam said he had an impression
that he should leave the room

while the girls talk to us.

[indistinct chatter]

[Tolga] Okay.

[Christine] Finally, the chance
to talk to the girls by themselves.

I was trying to figure out,
what can I ask without giving a red flag?

[women chuckle]

So do you feel like…
do you feel like your life…

Like, how has your life changed
since all this?

Since you got your testimony of Samuel?

All for the better.

-Fifty times happier.
-Yeah.

-Fifty times more at peace.
-Something to live for.

There's always something to live for
and always an increase.

And you always know
that somebody loves you,

somebody's praying for you.

What more could a girl ask for
but just to belong somewhere.

-[chuckles]
-[Christine] Yeah.

The girls were enamored with Sam.

They told us that they had received

confirmation from God
that they were meant to be with Sam.

Should we hop in the Bentley
and get Toro and talk to him?

-[Tolga] Sure.
-Okay.

And then Sam said, "Let's go for a drive."

And he puts us in the car,

and he picks three girls. "I want you
and you and you to come along."

[pensive music playing]

We start driving around.

There's four of us in the back seat,

and then Tolga in the front with Sam,
but he wasn't filming.

Sam starts talking about
how much he suffered.

And it seems as if he's trying
to build up to something.

I thought, where is this gonna go?

I put in a lot of hours
to wait for this moment

to see what is really happening.

So I reached my hand down into my purse,

grabbed my phone,

and I sneak it up my leg.

And I very secretly hit record.

And Sam

just spilled the beans.

[Sam on recording]

[Tolga] Okay.

[Sam continues]

[Tolga] Mmm.

[tense music playing]

[Christine] Sam explained

that he had to atone
for the sins of wicked men

by having these three wives

have sex with them.

[interviewer] The three girls
he had chosen to come in the car

were the three he was telling you?

Yes.

[Sam on recording]

[Christine] This girl was 13 years old.

It was clear, for the first time,

that… there was sexual abuse of children.

[Sam on recording]

[Tolga] Yeah.

[Sam continues]

[Tolga] Mmm.

[Sam continues]

[Tolga] Yeah.

[Sam speaking]

While he's telling this story,

he's trying to describe

all the pain and suffering
that he had to go through.

In the meantime,

these pure FLDS women,

young women and child,

are incredibly humiliated.

They were like,

you know, not good.

[Tolga speaking]

[Sam's wife speaking]

-[Sam's wife speaking]
-[Sam] Yeah, it hurts.

[Sam's wife continues]

She said, "I was so dang scared."

And then Sam starts telling them
what to say.

[Sam speaking]

-[Sam speaking]
-[Sam's wife speaking]

-[Sam] Not one speck of anything.
-[Christine] Trauma?

-[Sam's wife speaking]
-[Christine speaking]

[Sam speaking]

[Sam] Has it…?

[Sam's wife speaking]

[Sam speaking]

[Sam's wife speaking]

[Sam speaking]

[Sam's wife speaking]

[Sam speaking]

[Tolga] Wow.

All of the panic circuitry
in my body was exploding.

I mean, my mouth was turning into cotton,

and I couldn't handle any more.

Well, I am gonna go start getting ready
and feed the animals,

but Tolga can stay
and talk more if… if you want.

So, um…

-[Sam] We actually gotta be home too.
-[Christine] Well, thank you.

-Love you, guys.
-[Tolga] All good.

-[Tolga] Thank you.
-[Sam] Thank you. I love you.

-God bless you.
-[Tolga] Love you too.

-[Christine] Love you, Sam. Love you all.
-[Sam] Thank you guys so much.

[Christine chuckles] Bye.

[gate opens]

[disturbing music playing]

[Christine] The date
is November 10th, 2021.

[clucking, squawking]

The location is

Colorado City, Arizona.

Driving around in a car.

[disturbing music continues]

[exhales deeply]

Yeah. Tolga, we have to… we have to…

I have to turn this tape in.

[Tolga] Yes, but you got…
you got now full trust.

You gotta wait a couple more days.

-I know, I can't… I have to explain.
-[Tolga] They can't know.

These girls need my…
They need to trust me,

or they won't ever trust anybody.

So I don't know what to do.

-You know. They'll know--
-[Tolga] Just lay low for a second.

-Just let the police know, and… lay low.
-Yeah.

Yeah, I'm gonna call.

[dramatic sting]

[enigmatic music playing]

[music ends]