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01x02 - Black Sites

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Secrets Declassified with David Duchovny". Aired: April 4, 2025.*
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Explores and reveals newly available evidence about declassified government activities throughout history.

01x02 - Black Sites

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- Throughout time,

governments and the people

who work for them have done

strange and even terrible

things in the name

of national interest.

[dramatic music]

Tonight, from

a top secret facility built

to correct a US blind spot--

- The CIA now have eyes

and ears

on the third of the world

that it can't usually reach.

- --to a bio lab testing

deadly toxins on US soil--

- It develops extreme programs

that run from the apocalyptic

to the absurd.

[expl*si*n]

- --and a city constructed

beneath Arctic ice,

made with a sinister purpose.

- This site is

largely forgotten.

And the US government kind of

wants it to be forgotten.



- These places are all

known as black sites.

Now it's time to bring them

out of the shadows.



Every government has them,

and none likes

to admit that they exist.

But sometimes

clandestine bases

do get exposed by tragedy.



- TWA flight 514 is flying

from Indianapolis, Indiana,

to Washington, DC.

Now, as the plane

is getting closer

and closer to its destination

in DC, there's a huge storm.

Just after 11:00 AM, the plane

drops altitude way too quickly,

ends up crashing into

the side of a mountain

on the Virginia border.

All 92 people aboard

the plane die on impact.

- As the rescuers get to

the top of this mountain

and start searching

for survivors,

poring through the wreckage,

they find, puzzlingly,

that they're not

the first people on-site.

- They see cars nearby, in

the middle of the wilderness,

lined up like--

like a parking lot.

And neatly parked cars don't

belong halfway up a mountain.

- It doesn't take

long for journalists

to realize that there's

a whole infrastructure

atop this mountain

that isn't on any map.



- The land actually belongs

to the Department of Defense,

but the DOD just claims that,

oh, it's nothing but

a weather-monitoring station.

There's nothing special

about this area.



- But journalists

keep pushing to figure out

what secrets this

Virginia mountain is hiding.

- And eventually,

in Senate hearings a year

after the crash,

the Pentagon finally

confirms the existence and the

purpose of this black site.

- It's called Mount Weather,

and its true purpose

is surprising.

It's a top secret

doomsday bunker.

- It wasn't always secret.

It started out

as a weather observatory.

Then for a brief period

in the 1920s,

it was President

Calvin Coolidge's summer home.

- The spot doesn't

stay idyllic for long.

In 1949,

the Soviet Union detonates

its first nuclear b*mb,

and Mount Weather's mission

becomes far more strategic.

- You have to remember

that this is right after

World w*r II, which means

the beginning of the Cold w*r.

And thanks to fears around a

possible Soviet nuclear attack,

President Truman makes plans

in the late '40s to make every

American home, workplace--

basically, everywhere

in the country--survivable.

- You have, like,

the duck-and-cover drills

for the public to help them

survive atomic warfare.

But then separately,

the government

is thinking hard about

how the president survives,

how the government

functions continue.

- They decide to build three

massive nuclear fortresses

to ensure what they

now start to call

the continuity of government.

One of these immense

fortresses is Mount Weather.



- To create this base, they

need to hollow out a mountain

and keep it a secret.

So in 1953,

work begins on the project.

Thousands of tons

of greenstone are excavated

from the interior

of the mountain.

- And it costs

over a billion dollars.

And when it's finished,

it is a 600,000-square-foot

underground city

and has everything ranging

from a hospital to restaurants

to a movie theater.

- The entrance is

protected by a 20-feet,

34-ton blast door

that is 5 feet thick,

and it takes

15 minutes to open.

It's under 2,000 feet

of granite.

So you could fire missiles

at it all day long,

and the people inside

would barely even notice.

- Its construction and its

activities are classified,

and its staff is

sworn to secrecy.

- While the community

of Berryville, Virginia,

helps build it and staff it,

the public at large has no idea

that this facility exists.



- Then in the 1960s,

partly thanks

to the Cuban m*ssile crisis,

Mount Weather is expanded.

- Mount Weather has its own

communications facilities,

its own water treatment plant,

its own fire department,

in fact, even text messaging

and one of the world's

first computers.

That technology begins for the

first time at Mount Weather

as the way for the doomsday

bunkers to communicate

amongst themselves.

- With its cover blown

thanks to the crash

of flight 514,

Mount Weather is

pretty much mothballed.

That all changes on 9/11.



- Government

decides to reactivate

and expand Mount Weather.

The Defense Department never

mentioned it officially

anymore, and the complex's

plans and operations

are all classified

to this day.

- As far as we know,

Mount Weather today

is as active and advanced

a facility as it ever has been.

- It is now believed to sprawl

over 700,000 square feet.

That's the size

of four baseball fields.

So it supposedly can hold

as many as 2,000 lucky people.



- Mount Weather

was built to survive

a Soviet nuclear b*mb attack.

Over in Russia, a black site

built to make those bombs

would also be

exposed by tragedy.

This time, a terrible accident

is covered up for a decade.



- It was a fall day

in September 1957,

in a village called Kyshtym

in southern Siberia.

The villages are suddenly

shocked by a vast noise,

and the sky turns

to a completely

different shade of blue.

- When this occurs,

it spreads panic

through the local people.

And even worse,

the government officials

descend upon the village,

and they start k*lling

livestock, burning crops.

Things are getting

incredibly strange.

- Evacuations begin.

Several hundred villages,

several hundred

thousand people, and they're

all being evacuated.

They're not being informed,

and so they're left

with nothing

but question marks.

- Because it's behind

the iron curtain,

in the West,

we have no idea.

So it's a complete mystery

as to what's going on there.



- In the years that follow,

rumors circulate

that people are

beginning to experience

unexplained illnesses,

pregnant women

are giving birth to children

that have

obvious birth defects,

Kyshtym and the

20,000-square-mile area

around it

being a zone of death,

and that nobody could go there

because the entire area

was contaminated.



- The real story

of this disaster

remains hidden

for another 16 years,

until a top Russian scientist

named Zhores Medvedev defects

to London and tells all.



- Medvedev is a problem as far

as the KGB is concerned.

He's critical

of the government.

He is a troublemaker.

And so as soon

as he leaves Russia,

they cancel his citizenship.

He can't come back.

- When he feels no obligation

to the authority

of the Soviet government,

he begins to speak out.

- For Zhores to come to London

to write whatever he wants

and to get it published,

you know, he became

a truth revealer

and truth teller.

- And one of the things

that he comments about

is this incident

that occurs at Kyshtym

in Siberia in September 1957.

- Medvedev reveals

that the Kyshtym disaster

was caused by an accident

at the top secret

nuclear processing plant

called Mayak,

just 8 miles away.

- The Russians have been

caught flat-footed

by the end

of the Second World w*r

and the introduction

of nuclear weapons

at the conclusion

of that conflict.

And so the Soviets

are desperately attempting

to build a nuclear arsenal

of their own.

They're desperately trying

to catch up to the West.

- So the Soviets

install a network

of weapons-grade plutonium

processing plants

across the vast country.

Mayak is the most

notorious,

but it's constructed

at breakneck speed

by an unconventional

workforce.



- Mayak's built

by 40,000 prisoners,

all shipped in from gulags,

and it's huge.

We're talking 35 square miles

with an exclusion zone

around it that's three times

bigger than that.

- Mayak has five

nuclear reactors

producing plutonium,

refining it,

and turning it into weapons.



- Even though there's

not a big city nearby,

there are hundreds

of small villages

and settlements like Kyshtym,

places that,

when you combine them,

have tens of thousands

of civilians in them.



- In 1957, disaster strikes.



- The cooling system for

a cistern of radioactive waste

at Mayak fails.

[expl*si*n]

It explodes with the force

of 70 tons of TNT.

- And that expl*si*n

showers the surrounding area

with irradiated material.

This encompasses

an area covering

217 separate settlements,

and over 250,000 people

are forcibly evacuated

without explanation.

- Medvedev's revelations are

central because without him,

we wouldn't know any of this.



- Then 20 years later,

there's a new twist.



Declassified documents show

that the CIA knew all along

and kept it secret.

- US government had learned

of the horrific events

within months

of the expl*si*n at Mayak,

but they kept quiet about it

because they think that news

of the tragedy might

turn public opinion away

from the US's own

fledgling nuclear industry.



- Imagine planning to place

a vast nuclear arsenal

under a polar ice cap

and then pretending

something entirely different.

That's just what the US did

at the height of the Cold w*r

at a black site in Greenland.

[dramatic music]



- It's 1956, and the

US Department of Defense

releases a documentary

about this groundbreaking

polar research station

in Greenland,

800 miles south

of the North Pole.

- The United States Army

has established

an unprecedented

nuclear-powered

Arctic research center.

- In the Arctic, you have

to contend with sometimes

minus 20

to minus 40 conditions.

It's just

an incredibly difficult

environment to operate in.

- An army colonel

named John Kerkering

is tasked with constructing

a polar city.

It's housed in huge

covered tunnels

with dormitories, a hospital,

even a chapel

and a barbershop.

- The documentary presents

the polar research station

as being well ahead

of its time,

primarily because

of the fact that it

is powered entirely

by the world's first

portable nuclear reactor.

- The name of the base

is Camp Century.

It's an ambitious project.

They put a nuclear reactor

in one of the most brutal

and difficult environments

on Earth.



As wild as that is,

that's not even

the craziest thing about this.



- Although only

a few people know it,

Camp Century

is just a cover story.



The real plan here

is to construct

an immense nuclear launch site

deep under the snow.

Its name:

Project Iceworm.

[expl*si*n]

- When Project Iceworm

was envisioned,

there were a lot

of legitimate fears

that we were on the precipice

of nuclear w*r.

- In the 1950s,

the threat of nuclear w*r

couldn't be more serious.

Iceworm will give the West an

opportunity to survive it all.

- Their idea is to have

hundreds of nuclear warheads

all prepped, all ready to go,

in the tunnels under the ice--

a full-on nuclear arsenal.

- If the Russians initiated

a nuclear first strike

on America, there would be

this secondary base

in Greenland that could fire

a retaliatory counterattack

into Russia.

- The Camp Century cover story

is so convincing,

it fools the Russians.

- They did actually

do experiments there

and work on science,

but it was basically

a test bed to see what else we

could do under the Arctic ice.

- In the end,

the real challenge

to the success

of Project Iceworm

doesn't come

from being discovered

but from the landscape itself.

- The Greenland ice cap

is so dynamic,

you just can't maintain

a permanent structure

underneath the ice.

- The base

was being sandwiched

between the ice walls

as they constricted

because every year,

the ice moves another 6 feet.

- You've got

600 nuclear warheads

and a nuclear reactor.

You cannot put them

in shifting ice.

- And so Camp Century

is abandoned in 1967.

- They end up pulling the plug

on the entire thing,

and they just walk away.

- I think the line

they used--

we'll just open the door

and let it snow.

And they thought it would

be kind of permanently

entombed in this ice

and be safe in that way.



- Although the nuclear reactor

at Camp Century was removed,

the material

that was left behind

is still dangerous

to the environment.



- If the story of a top secret

US black site in Greenland

sounds improbable,

consider our next case,

a covert military training

camp hidden in Colorado.



- It's a dark and snowy night

in Colorado,

about 50 kilometers

west of Denver.

You have a military

personnel transport

that's leaving

a secret base,

en route to this small

local airfield.

The bus is moving

under cover of darkness

to keep this mission covert

and its occupants classified.

The bus ends up

skidding and crashing

on the icy Colorado roads,

and the delay

adds hours to the trip.

- When it arrives,

the sun is just coming up,

and the employees

of the airfield

are beginning to arrive

for their workday.



- Armed men suddenly herd them

at gunpoint into a hangar

and swear them to secrecy.



But through a gap

in the hangar door,

some of them witness

an unexpected sight.

They see 15 men

with East Asian features,

wearing camouflage fatigues,

prepare to board a cargo jet

that has blackout windows.

- Foreign personnel

at a Colorado base?

Men in black waving g*ns

at innocent witnesses?

What is happening here?

- There's a little bit

of initial whispering about it,

and there's some reporting

in the local press,

but then the story

is completely suppressed.

There's no further

reporting about it.

It's not until decades later

that the reality

of what was actually

happening there is revealed.

- According to documents

declassified in 1974,

the airfield employees came

across a secret CIA operation

targeting Communist China.



- In the early 1950s,

the Chinese expand to

and envelop Tibet into

the Greater People's

Republic of China.

- When its spiritual

leader, the Dalai Lama,

is put under house arrest,

Tibetans begin to organize

against Chinese occupation.

- As Chinese domination began,

Tibetans formed

into resistance groups,

and they turned

to the United States.

And the CIA saw

an opportunity to gain

an upper hand against

the People's Republic of China.



- In 1958, the CIA sets up

this base in Colorado to begin

training the Tibetan rebels.

It's much easier

and much more effective

if you can clandestinely

move them to the United States

and give them training here.

- The site in Colorado

is known as Camp Hale.

- Tibet is, of course,

in the high mountains

in the foothills

of the Himalayas,

and so is Camp Hale

in the Colorado Rockies--

similar altitude,

similar mountainous terrain.

And it was

sufficiently remote,

so a couple hundred Tibetans

could filter into this camp

without too many questions

among the local populace.



- In 1959,

the trained Tibetans

are now ready for action.

They parachute

into their homeland

on a top secret mission

to help extract

the Dalai Lama.



- They are taking literally

the spiritual leader of Tibet

and trying to smuggle him

to safety.

The way they do that

is by moving him

through a clandestine

underground railroad

going from home to home,

village to village.

That's a treacherous path not

just because of the terrain,

but also, they have

to sneak past the sentries

and border guards

that are manned

by the Chinese Communists.

- Against the odds,

the rescue succeeds.

Over the next five years,

300 trained Tibetan fighters

take on a series

of daring missions,

from photographing

military sites

to attacking Chinese

government installations.

- Despite the bravery

of the Tibetan resistance,

they are not ultimately

successful, even with US help,

in throwing off

Chinese domination.

- So Camp Hale

is just quietly closed.

Training there quietly ceases.



- Some of the most lethal

weapons ever devised

are chemical and biological.

And the US has

a top secret facility

in Utah to create them.

But when something goes

very wrong there in 1968,

it risks the lives

of thousands of citizens.

The story of this

black site begins

with a declaration of w*r.

[engines humming]

[expl*si*n]

[dramatic music]

- The US has just been

attacked at Pearl Harbor,

and it's desperate

to find a way to hit back.

It decides to build

a testing ground

to develop the weapons that

will turn the tide of the w*r.

- The military grabs

over a million square miles

of desert

just 80 miles

from Salt Lake City.

It is one of the most isolated

parts of the US,

nothing there but rattlesnakes

and wild horses.

And they build

one of the most secretive

government facilities

ever devised.

It's called

Dugway Proving Ground.

[expl*si*n]



- Much of Dugway is basically

like being on the moon

or Mars.

Its security comes

from the fact

that it's so far away

from anything

that the effort

it takes to get there

would be noticed long before

you got to the fence.



- The first weapon that

undergoes development at Dugway

is a weapon system

that can be used

to destroy Japanese cities.



- American architect

who actually lived in Japan

is given a team of prisoners

who actually create

an at-scale replica

of Japanese villages

in downtown Tokyo so they can

test the M69 incendiary b*mb.

They test over and over again

until they can perfect

the chain reaction

that maximizes

the M69's destruction.



- And then on the night

of March 9 and 10, 1945,

M69 incendiary clusters

that were developed at Dugway

are used for the first time

effectively.

- They hit back

for Pearl Harbor

by firebombing Tokyo.

And it works.

- The firestorm

burned out the entire

Sumida district

of downtown Tokyo

and k*lled 120,000 people.

The argument could

be made that the M69

incendiary cluster was

a vastly more deadly weapon

than the nuclear weapon.



- Dugway has proved itself

deadly effective.

And so after

World w*r II ends,

the secret facility

is steadily expanded

and deployed in the Cold w*r.



- So Dugway was a major part

of the biological

and chemical weapons

programs for the US.

- Dugway starts to develop

what it calls

biological warfare agents

in a range of extreme programs

that run from the apocalyptic

to the absurd.

- They're developing anthrax;

dirty bombs;

radioactive fallout;

odorless, paralyzing gases;

even mutant microbes.

All the most dastardly

things you can imagine

are being created

here at Dugway.

- All attempting to disable

huge amounts of people

and all highly classified.



- So one of the programs

that the US had

was to use insects

as your tools of warfare.



- The idea is to load

biting insects with bacteria

or viruses and then

drop them as disease agents

on a target population.

- Now, the insects

never worked out,

but it really goes to show

what they were willing to do

at Dugway to try

to execute their mission

of being on the cutting edge

of biological warfare.

[expl*si*n]

- But one spring morning

in 1968, disaster strikes,

and the locals awake to a scene

straight out of a horror movie.



- Farmers find their livestock

dead or dying in the fields.

- Some are dying.

Others are paralyzed.

Some are foaming at the mouth.

And it's happening

across the region.

- Immediately,

the finger points

to the secretive facility

nearby.

- It was pretty easy

to connect the dots here.



- In the face of this kind

of evidence,

even the military can't

keep its secret forever.

It takes a year of pressure,

but they finally

admit that Dugway is involved.



- A Pentagon official

explains to the press

that the sheep were k*lled

by a test gone wrong.

An aircraft malfunctioned,

dropping its load

at the wrong altitude.

320 gallons of VX nerve gas

is spread by the wind

over local ranches.



- VX nerve agent

is a terrifying thing.

A few milliliters in gaseous

form can k*ll a grown man.

- Imagine what

it would have done

if it got to Salt Lake City,

which is only 80 miles away.



[crowd chanting indistinctly]

- The Dugway sheep incident

comes at a time

of public protest

over US foreign policy.

[crowd chanting indistinctly]

- There was a court

of public opinion

during the era

of the w*r in Vietnam.

We shouldn't be fighting

in Southeast Asia using napalm

and Agent Orange and all

of these other chemicals

that will eventually

pressure Nixon to disavow

the use of weapons like this.

- In 1969, President Nixon

signs a statement

renouncing US use

of lethal biological weapons

and limiting its use

of chemical weapons.



Despite that,

Dugway continues to operate.

- The fact is,

we have to understand

these horrifying chemicals

and the threat they pose,

and that means there will

always be a black site

just like Dugway

studying them somewhere.

- We all know

the physician's creed:

first, do no harm.

But 87 years ago,

a Russian doctor

is given a mission

in a top secret lab

to achieve exactly

the opposite.

[dramatic music]



- On the outskirts of Moscow

is a nondescript

concrete building,

unremarkable to look at,

ignored by people

that pass by it every day.

And no one knows it

at the time,

but inside is a chemical

and medical laboratory.



The site has had many names,

but now it has come

to be known as Lab X.



- In 1938, Stalin himself

assigns chemist

Grigory Mairanovsky

to take over Lab X

and to come up

with the perfect way

of k*lling,

to create methods

that are silent,

untraceable, undetectable,

and officially deniable.



- Mairanovsky

develops narcotics

and psychotropic substances.

He tests new poisons

like sodium cyanide,

colchicine, and curare.

- Mairanovsky would need

human test subjects

for this awful research.

But he could just pick up

the phone or fill out a form,

get a hundred gulag prisoners

delivered the next day.

Almost certainly, he worked

on captured Germans as well.



- He's literally using them

as guinea pigs,

injecting them

with chemical solutions

and then timing how long

it takes for them to die.



- Mairanovsky is very quickly

nicknamed by his superiors

the Doctor of Death

and protected behind the walls

of a black site

that does not officially exist.



- For decades, what happens

at Lab X remains a mystery.

But when the USSR

collapses in 1991,

a high-ranking Russian

intelligence officer

named Pavel Sudoplatov

reveals shocking details

about this black site.



- Sudoplatov, sort of

a career secret policeman.

Not just an assassin

and a k*ller;

he's a boss

of assassins and K*llers.

Stalin needs

some messy work done,

Sudoplatov is kind of

on the short list

of people you talk to.

He was rumored to have been

part of the team

that set up the assassination

of Leon Trotsky.

- Sudoplatov reveals methods

Mairanovsky devised at Lab X:

cyanide-loaded b*ll*ts,

ingested powders,

and injections

at routine medical checkups.

- Stalin had

countless enemies,

but what's incredible is that

over the course of five years,

it's estimated that up

to 100 of his political rivals

were k*lled by the techniques

that were perfected at Lab X.

- Sudoplatov also reveals

that the success of Lab X

brings about the Doctor

of Death's own downfall.



- In the early 1950s,

Stalin is getting paranoid

about his grip on power.

He actually starts to fear that

Mairanovsky's lethal poisons

are going to be used on him.

So in 1951,

Stalin accuses Mairanovsky,

along with 39

other Jewish doctors,

of planning his assassination.

It becomes known

as the Doctors' Plot,

and he imprisons them all,

which is his MO.

Joseph liked to throw

everybody in jail.

- Mairanovsky

is given a choice.

Confess, and you'll

get 10 years.

You know, don't confess, and we

might just have to sh**t you.

- He's nearly beaten to death.



He actually survives 10 years

in a Russian prison

before he's released

by Khrushchev

and flees to the southern part

of Russia, to Dagestan,

to live out the rest

of his life.



- The Doctor of Death

dies in obscurity in 1964,

but his methods live on.



- Russia's regimes

continue to embrace

Lab X's officially deniable

methods of toxic assassination.

- In 1959, Ukrainian politician

Stepan Bandera

is assassinated

with a cyanide b*llet.

In 1978, Bulgarian dissident

Georgi Markov

is stabbed with a poisoned

umbrella point.



- That's nothing

compared to Putin.

Since 2000, almost

two dozen of his critics

have died

from apparent poisonings.

- In 2006, you have former

KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko

k*lled by radioactivity

after being dosed

with polonium-laced green tea.

And then, most famously,

Alexei Navalny,

who was a vocal critic

of Putin's regime

and actually ran

against Putin,

was poisoned

with Novichok in 2020.

- Many experts believe that

even as we read headlines today

about Vladimir Putin k*lling

his political rivals today,

the actual origins

of the chemical components

that he's using were perfected

in Lab X in the 1950s.



- Black sites aren't only

designed to conceal secrets.

Some are built to steal them,

including one notorious project

in the Australian outback.

[dramatic music]



- It's 1966, and America

is spending millions

to win the Space Race.

- Russia was racing

to put someone on the moon,

and we had to beat them and

assert our dominance in that.

So the American

government partnered

with the Australian

government to build

a space research facility.

- The facility is known

as Pine Gap,

located in the center

of Australia.

And it's staffed by about

400 American employees

and their families.

- But that's not

the real story.

- It's not

a space research facility.

It's a global monitoring

station run by the CIA.



- The site receives data

to assess

Soviet m*ssile capabilities.



- America needs a location

from which to observe

the skies

above the mid-Pacific,

the part of the globe they

can't see from North America.

- The truth, known only

to its workers at the time,

is that Pine Gap will be

a vital overseas spy facility.

- Pine Gap allows them

the ability

to monitor spy satellites

moving

in the Eastern Hemisphere

over Russia and China.

- The CIA now have

eyes and ears

on the third of the world

that it can't usually reach.

- The true power of Pine Gap

is its location,

bang in the middle

of the Australian desert.

- It's over 500 miles

from the coast.

So spy planes and ships

from foreign countries

are unable to intercept

any of the data

that's traveling

to the facility.

- The remoteness of the

location is actually perfect.



- Eventually Pine Gap's

cover story is blown,

not by a journalist

or whistleblower

but by the leader

of Australia's government.

[crowd cheering]

- A new prime minister

is elected,

named Gough Whitlam.

And he learns the truth

of the facility

when he takes on the role.

- Gough Whitlam

comes to office,

and he objects

to the idea of Australia

being host to this nest

of US spies.

- Prime Minister Whitlam

really was on this crusade

to shut this facility down.



- He's the first

Australian leader

to question the US

having such a potentially

powerful facility on his land.

- When the Australian

prime minister goes public,

the White House

is said to be furious.

No way they are

giving up Pine Gap,

and they get the UK's

secret service, MI6, to help.

- Whitlam plans

to flat-out cancel

the agreements made with the US

and close down Pine Gap.



But he's suddenly summoned

by the governor-general,

Sir John Kerr.



- The British governor-general

found this very archaic

British law and used that

as a way to fire

the Australian prime minister.

- Plunging Australia into the

deepest constitutional crisis

in its history.

- But while Whitlam

stays sacked,

Pine Gap stays operational.

- The Whitlam problem

is solved,

and the CIA

continues to use Pine Gap

to monitor half the world.

- Since the end

of the Cold w*r in 1991,

all the way through

the w*r on terror in 2001,

the base has been

continually ramped up.

And today

it's as vital as ever

to the US military machine.

- America's first president

had a Virginia estate

famously known as Mount Vernon.

Part of it is now a popular

tourist spot named Fort Hunt.

Back in World w*r II, it served

a much darker purpose.

[dramatic music]



- The national park

at Fort Hunt

has a direct link

to America's founding father

and was also a Confederate

stronghold in the Civil w*r.

- One day, a curious tourist

is walking around the site

and asked one

of the park rangers

what happened here during

the Second World w*r.

And the park ranger was caught

off guard by this question

and said, well, I'm not sure,

but I'm going to have

to look into the matter.

- The Park Service manages

to track down the men

with the answers,

veterans who have been sworn

to secrecy their whole lives.

But 60 years

after the end of the w*r,

they share the truth

about Fort Hunt.

Its code name was its address,

PO Box 1142.

And during World w*r II,

it was a black site prison.



- The prisoners of w*r

that are being incarcerated

at PO Box 1142 were

high-ranking German officers

captured

off of the battlefields

of Europe and North Africa who

could provide very useful

intelligence information.

- That n*zi prisoners

are secretly brought to the US

is surprising enough.

But what's more,

the interrogations

at this black site are the

opposite of what you'd expect.



- They did

the most primal thing

that we need as human beings:

they allowed them to feel safe.

You inspire someone

to share the truth

before they have

an opportunity to lie.

And what they did to do that

is, they treated them well.

- These Germans

are treated to luxury--

fine clothes, c*ck,

trips to the swimming pool,

and movies--

because the whole site is

rigged with hidden microphones.

The bugs are placed

in the bedrooms,

the mess hall,

even the trees.

- Comfort rises,

shields come down,

mouths open up.

- This was a bold move.

Counterintuitive interrogation

is not new,

but there are few

examples of it

being done in quite this way.

- There is such secrecy

behind this camp

because there would have been

a complete public outcry

if the public knew how well

we were treating Nazis.

- The predominantly

Jewish American interrogators

are refugees chosen

for their fluency in German.

In this way,

vital intelligence

is secretly extracted

from the Nazis.

The most astonishing

is the name

of a location that changes

the course of the w*r

for one ally, Britain.



- The United Kingdom

had survived

the Battle of Britain

and the Blitz.

And then word

starts to emerge

that something worse

is coming:

the V-1 rocket,

also known as the buzz b*mb.

[expl*si*n]

- Then, incredibly,

there's a breakthrough

at PO Box 1142.

In the summer of 1943

during a chat between two

German naval officers

in the room,

one of them lets slip

that when the work

at Peenemuende prevails,

Germany will be victorious.

- When allied

photoreconnaissance aircraft

then fly down

and photograph Peenemuende,

they hit the jackpot.

- The island is home

to the secret rocket factory

where the V-1 is being built.



The Allies immediately hit it

with everything they've got.



[explosions]

- 596 Lancasters

hit Peenemuende in one night

and absolutely destroyed

the entire complex,

forced the enemy to move

all assembly underground.

And that's not

how you win a w*r.

- This one piece

of intelligence,

secretly obtained

from two chatting Nazis

at PO Box 1142,

delays the n*zi plans.

- This intelligence

literally saved

hundreds of thousands

of lives.

As they always say,

loose lips sink ships.



- When the w*r ends,

PO Box 1142 is decommissioned.

Every reference to its mission

is classified,

and its interrogators

are sworn to secrecy.

- Fort Hunt then kind of

packs everything up,

and this chapter of its

history is largely forgotten.

And the US government kind of

wants it to be forgotten.

And that's because

the operation

that was carried out there

was something that violated

our obligations

in the treatment

of prisoners of w*r.

We were not permitted

to eavesdrop.

- However controversial

the tactics were,

they are now part

of the history

that tourists come

to enjoy at Fort Hunt.



- Black sites can be

anywhere,

carefully cloaked

to keep people out

and their missions within.

But even though

it can take many years,

somehow their secrets

find a way to the light.