Can I put it this side?
Their trust in me to
do this myself is their
number. First mistake.
Join us now is investigative journalist
Jeremy Corbell. Good to see you.
Corbell is an investigative journalist who
helped obtain and release the DoD footage
of UFOs and made contact with this DoD
whistleblower as far back as 14 months ago.
The front lines of UFO disclosure.
It is scary if that's true, Joe.
I think you guys are.
Investigative filmmaker Jeremy
Corbell got a shout out during the
hearing for obtaining UAP videos
and releasing them to the public.
The images obtained by Jeremy Corbell.
The Pentagon confirming the images
are being reviewed by a task force.
The man who's been pushing for
better transparency, Mr. Jeremy Corbell.
It's everywhere as of late
and now the government's
starting and I'm
like, what's going on?
Do they exist?
I also want to thank my buddy
Jeremy Corbell for providing
these documents and
access to some whistleblowers.
The footage is incredible.
The United States government
has gathered a great
deal of information about
UAPs over many decades.
Biologics came with
some of these recoveries.
Were they, I guess, human
or non-human biologics?
Non-human and that was the
assessment of people with direct knowledge
on the program I talked to that
are currently still on the program.
And Jeremy Corbell played a big role
in bringing these questions to the public.
If he looks familiar, that's
because he was sitting
behind Fravor, Grush and
Graves today in that testimony.
Thanks for having me, man.
It's the duty of journalism to
investigate the unexplained,
not explain the uninvestigated.
Slowly, the U.S. government
has acknowledged that they're real.
Corbell released these videos.
What else is weird is Jeremy Corbell
said a bunch of people are going to
start saying there's a mothership
coming to Earth and don't believe him.
Remember he was saying that?
Somehow he does have inside cons,
but if he says too much, he
puts his whole life in danger.
We've talked to you so
many times over the years.
You're one of the world's
leading experts in UAPs and UFOs.
He's the most unconventional
figure in this space, covered
in tattoos, a former
martial artist, a former artist.
And yet he's somehow the one in
the know, standing at the center of it all.
I've been holding a
secret for about 11 years.
You know, absolute proof
beyond any reasonable doubt.
UFOs are real. They're
threatening the life of a journalist.
He asked you why, why, why,
why you waited for 11 years?
Why didn't you
do this that year?
I needed to verify it myself.
George and I will be briefing
eight Congress people on video.
And I'm telling you this over the phone.
So any intelligence
agency that has a FISA
on my phone, which my
lawyer is sure they do,
knows that I am having that meeting
and now a lot of people know about it.
All right, here's, here's
the deal. Your journalistic
credentials mean jackship,
to put it loudly, all right?
If you look in the 70s
and 80s with the CIA,
they used to have
reporters on their pay roll.
They don't respect anybody. If you do
something that pisses them off, they're not
going to come after you, not only you,
they're going to come after your family.
And you've seen that happen?
Yes. It's one of those things
where, if you become a liability, if
you really have stuff that is that
sensitive that you cannot release,
you're relying on your
connection as a journalist,
they're going to
throw you to the dogs.
I've been having a very
surreal, uh, series of days, yeah.
Hey, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it.
Yeah, of course.
The, the daily reality of
how often do I get contacted?
Government whistleblowers
or just the average
person that says, what
the f*ck is that I just saw?
You know, launch a Starlink
or something like that, a rocket.
Non-stop.
I, I don't think there was any
f*ck, but I need you to confirm.
So, this is how it came.
How do you know what to go after?
I see original Polaroid, holy sh*t.
And where is this?
Yeah, that looks right.
Where is this from?
It's from Los Alamos National Laboratory.
Your dad died, right?
He did. He passed away about a month ago.
I'm sorry to hear that.
My dad died too.
Thank you.
What was your dad's position
and why do we find this interesting?
He was in charge of all computer and cyber,
cyber security for the entire laboratory.
So, I sent you some official
documents from the lab that
talk about meetings they had
about atmospheric anomalies.
There's also some information
in there about Russian sightings.
I recognize some of the names because
I know a lot of these m*therf*ckers.
I had no idea what my father did.
He never discussed his job.
Why are you nervous?
Just tell me for legit
why you're nervous. I
can tell you're nervous.
Like, I don't belong in
this world, but here I am.
The UFO world?
Yeah.
I don't belong in this
world. I'm like, I'm
like the least qualified
person on planet Earth.
But I thank you for
your trust because the
one thing I am is I
am worthy of your trust.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna relax though
because I feel really uptight right now.
Yeah.
It's a crazy f*cking week.
He was the most curious kid ever.
Then I heard that he was
listening to George Knapp.
Hello and welcome to On The Record.
About nine months ago,
we invited former State
Senate candidate John
Lear to appear on this
program to talk not about
politics, but about UFOs.
George Knapp, he's a journalist who broke
the story about Area 51 several years ago.
Thank you both for being here on the show.
That just weaponized his curiosity.
Well, I did say, Jeremy, maybe
you need to find another career.
I said that to him and
he's gone, yeah, right.
He knows way too much.
I'm afraid he's gonna die.
They're gonna put it...
I mean, there is a hit out on him.
That's what I was told.
And that he's not gonna
be able to protect himself.
Am I an investigative journalist?
I'm a husband. I'm a daddy to my doggies.
Really, my business is
apartments and properties.
This is, you know, the
glorious life of a UFO hunter.
There's the maintenance and the renting.
This is how we make our money.
So it's like the UFO thing for me is
out of passion and because I love it.
These are solvable problems
compared to the UFO thing.
The UFO thing, unimaginably
difficult, I don't know what to say.
How does somebody get so
deep into the UFO subject?
To really understand the full picture,
I'm gonna need to start where it all began.
You need to go see Sensei Jeremy Corbell.
Martial athletics, since nine
years old, you know, first time I was
able to punch somebody in the
face and not get in trouble for it.
I was in severe pains, what you'd call
groin pains, but I had my hips x-rayed.
They're thinking about coming
and cutting out the Bursa.
I mean, all sorts of crazy stuff.
I was also very inflexible because of this.
I have ADD and a decoding
disability that makes it very difficult
sometimes for me to focus and
concentrate, or at least really used to.
I'm highly dyslexic. I have one
of the highest levels of dyslexia.
Needless to say, growing
up was a challenge, okay?
But what I realized is that
obstacles are opportunities.
Thank you, Professor.
I could see where I was
going, all these schools, more
money than I could ever
spend realistically as a young kid.
So I had everything.
And I was just curious,
is it possible there's
anything else for me, my
spirit, like what I'm to do?
And God damn, did life answer.
So I was in Nepal.
I was like, where's the easiest
place to keep moving, to keep going?
And I was like, okay,
I'm going to go to India.
When I started getting
sick, I thought I had like
bronchitis or something,
you know, take antibiotics.
I remember calling my
mom and dad and telling them
like something isn't right,
like I'm coming home.
He sort of blows things off like, oh, it's no problem. I'm
not stressed. You know, I can handle it. But as a mom, I
had contracted valley fever, but it was, it had become so
corrosive in my body, untreated, because I was overseas.
It had f*cked up my kidneys, my
liver, my heart, my lungs. But it was also
in my bloodstream. Being a martial
athlete, that was my entire identity.
When your identity is so wrapped
up into something, and then you don't
have that anymore, you can't do
that anymore, you feel like you die.
I started taking apart
computers, putting them back
together again, just
something I could do mentally.
An exhibit honoring actress Sharon
Tate was on display in Culver City.
It was a symbol of freedom,
and she was a symbol of love.
I don't even know how that
happened. Total accidental artist.
This whole career was because of an illness,
you know? And I was having testing done,
like, every three days for blood, so they
always took it and looked really beautiful.
It was red, you know? And so then they
gave me, I said, well, that's beautiful.
I need that for my work. And so
then they gave me, I have loads of it.
I got a camera for my
wedding, and started
practicing on my
honeymoon, like, how to use it.
He did those black and
whites out there, and that's
when I started learning about
where his brain was going.
The first person that I
ever pointed a camera at
and was like, oh, f*ck,
it's like a Rubik's Cube.
You know, I gotta, I gotta, I
gotta get this person talking.
It was really hard,
was John Lear.
In the more than five years since
we've been hosting these programs,
no guest has inspired such a widespread
and enduring audience response,
as has John Lear, son
of the famed aviation
pioneer and a world-class
pilot in his own right.
I was approached by a government
theoretical physicist, employed
by the government, who works
on the saucers up at Groom Lake.
He has seen the aliens,
he is tired of the cover-up.
John Lear, people know
about him because his father
was the inventor of the
Learjet, 8-track stereo.
This is a guy that had some
credibility in some ways, publicly.
He was the person that
you'd want to be able to
interview and talk with
about this phenomenon.
I am so hungry and curious
to know what I don't know.
I mean, it's like a
sickness, bro. It's like, it's a
sickness, you know? Like
my curiosity. It's a sickness.
The government has retrieved between
10 and 15 factual flying saucers, three
of which have been in perfect
condition, one of which they tried to fly.
They have between 30 and 50
alien bodies in cryogenic storage.
It's not about UFOs to me, you know?
You know, what got me interested?
Well, I always point to when I
heard Bob Lazar on the radio.
Well, there's several, actually
nine flying saucers, flying
discs, that are out there
of extraterrestrial origin.
As a 13-year-old idiot kid,
but that really sparked me.
But, you know, I put that down. I
didn't devote my life to it from there.
Bob Lazar is the reason
why you know about Area
51 and you know about
UFOs in popular culture.
The original, like, I guess,
whistleblower about the UFO thing.
He says he was hired
to work at an area called
S4, which is a few miles
south of Groom Lake.
At S4, he says, are flying saucers
and other working examples
of technology that is seemingly
beyond human capabilities.
The live interview with the shadowy
dentist drew international attention.
His real name is Robert Lazar.
The choice of Dennis was an inside joke.
He says that's the name of his superior
at Groom Lake. It wasn't a joke to Dennis.
Why did I go for John? Probably because,
you know, in this part of my brain,
I knew that the Bob Lazar story
was somehow filtered through Lear.
That's my driveway. That's Bob.
I remember trying to get a
hold of Lear for over a year.
Hi, this is John Lear. I'm not
at home right now, but please
leave a message and I'll
get right back to you. Thanks.
But I remember at one point, I just
cold called his phone and he picked up.
I couldn't believe it.
And then how open he was with me.
So I just, I saw this like
window, you know, there he is.
And I said, Hey man, I
want to learn about UFOs.
Come on over, Jeremy.
The hell?
You know, who's this crazy person?
He doesn't know me.
And I didn't even
really tell him I was a
filmmaker because I wasn't
a filmmaker at the time.
So I said, cool. Yeah.
Yeah. I want to bring,
you know, a camera and
kind of document some
of what you're saying.
And I think he was
just hungry for attention.
He's like, come on over. Yeah. Yeah. Come
to Vegas, Las Vegas, Nevada. Come on over.
I'm like, okay.
Hey, John, I'm out at the gate.
And then of course, when I got
there, he like wouldn't say sh*t to me.
So like at the time he wasn't supposed
to smoke and drink and all that stuff.
He always, man, he made me get, like go
get him cigars and sneak them in the house.
All the stuff his wife
didn't want him to have.
Jeremy, sneak me in a
five pack of Philly Titans.
You can get them at Walgreens.
Marilee's cut me off to
sneak them in the house.
And I wasn't getting sh*t from him
unless I brought the cigars, you know.
Yeah.
Being 13 years old, I
was so influenced by this
thought that there's a
prolific intelligent life,
technologically advanced everywhere.
That's how I heard of John Lear.
I have no f*cking idea where this is going.
But my journey now is to tell
the real story, the real message.
It's the start of a new journey in my life.
He was so passionate about it.
I was happy for him.
I didn't think he would make any
money at having that as a career.
I hope it answers questions and I
hope it gives me a million others.
His toilet would be
broken and it's like ghost
flushing and I can hear
the sound in my footage.
So I'll go and fix the ghost flush in the
toilet because I've done it a billion times
because of my history of, you know,
maintenance and property and all this stuff.
And once he realized that I
could do that, game over, man.
You know, so I'm like the
handyman at his house.
And then computers, forget about it.
Usually when I click that, it
just comes over the whole thing.
And this just has the context.
John Lear wouldn't tell me sh*t about UFOs.
But once he started, it was years, man.
Just telling me everything.
The moon was constructed in
Jupiter about 20 billion years ago.
And it was towed to Earth sometime
between that 20 billion years and now.
There's been many, many
civilizations on the Earth.
One of the most advanced civilizations
is buried under the Sahara Desert.
They're erased and then they grow again.
They're erased.
This is where you get
all these stories about
the civilizations like
Atlantis and Lemuris.
Anyway, the moon is a place for
the guards to be sure that we don't
escape or don't get away while
we're on Earth maturing our souls.
This is John Lear from the Lear family.
And the guy had this
personal story that's so wild.
And where did he end up?
Who's imprisoning us?
Those guys.
The bad aliens, they
do interfere with our lives.
As a matter of fact, they're pretty
much in control of Earth right now.
And there was a table of scientists there.
And...
Oh, thanks, darling.
I had to make it a little
healthier for the kids.
Because I had to put chicken on.
Is it...
Do you need anything to drink, honey?
What?
Anything to drink, you guys?
No, this is fantastic, but I
could have a glass of water.
Well, John Lear was a
real crazy conspiracy guy.
But he was...
Jeremy was fascinated with him.
With John, it wasn't so much what was true.
How did this guy come
to believe these things
that are so extraordinary
or wild, right?
Yeah, the guy I was talking to
here helped build the pyramids and...
Helped build the pyramids back in the day?
Yeah.
How did you do that?
The aliens are God's demons or something.
Huh.
I was just kind of
documenting this human being
that had these ideas
that were so far out there.
We have landed on the moon before, you
said six times, but just not with people?
No, we never landed on the moon.
Did I say that?
As far as Dr. Mitchell and whether he
believes or not that he went to the moon...
Liftoff. We have liftoff with Apollo 14.
Three minutes past the hour.
This is very tough because Dr. Mitchell
is a hero. He participated in that program.
He's going to be very irritated to know
that he's been the victim of mind control.
Well, he didn't introduce me to
Dr. Mitchell. He more or less challenged me.
He's the sixth person to
ever walk on the moon.
Why do you think that there's people that
no matter how much proof you give them,
they don't want to believe
that you walked on the moon?
Bob's friend, a guy named John, John
Lear, you might have heard of him before.
He's the son of the guy
that invented the Learjet.
I know, I know.
Okay. You know, he's
one of those people that just
doesn't buy NASA's story
about the moon landings.
I was not aware that that
was Lear's attitude, frankly.
And I'm sorry to hear that.
I knew his father quite well.
And that makes no sense to me.
That's not why I was there.
I was there to talk to Dr. Edgar Mitchell
because he was born in Roswell, New Mexico.
People talked with him without a filter.
Everybody involved with the
Roswell alleged UFO crash, they're
going to, of course, talk to an
astronaut who walked on the moon.
I grew up near Roswell, New Mexico.
I was on my way off
to college when the
so-called Roswell
incident took place in 1947.
He knows everybody from when
he was born and raised there.
Several of the people talked over my
sleeve and said, can we talk about...
They said, well, the UFO
idea, what it turns out, these
people were all descendants
of what I call old timers.
For example, the descendants of
the Undertaker who had provided small
coffins out to the military to carry
the bodies of the deceased ETs.
That if you're an astronaut and
you start knocking on doors of
government and start talking to
people, they're going to trust you.
So I knew that he had insight into the UFO
thing that he had not been saying publicly.
I knew he did.
But I wanted to find out how much
of that is belief and how much of that
is very specifically the knowledge
that he had that other people didn't.
So that's why I was there.
I did not give a f*ck about the moon.
I did take this to the
Pentagon a few years later.
And we did get an
interview with the
intelligence officer,
the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
This is not just government.
It's not just military.
It appears to be a cabal.
President Eisenhower
on his retirement warned
against the military
industrial complex.
So what we have here likely is a cabal of
the military industrial complex worldwide
that has been able to control this
thing and hold it for their own purposes.
There's no question.
David is very strong.
They've been here.
And are here.
Sixth man to walk on the moon, right?
Yeah, that's a pretty
cool friend to have, man.
He knew some people.
He could connect me with people.
That was really cool.
I learned a lot from him.
Not just from him, but some of
the people he led me to speak with.
My name's John Alexander.
I spent 30-some years in the military.
Went from private through colonel.
My second career was Los
Alamos National Laboratory.
I've worked in aerospace.
While in the military, I
created an ad hoc group
on UFOs who studied
the subject intentionally.
It was top secret.
And what you know was
about top secret clearances.
We had people from
all of the services, the
intelligence community,
and aerospace industry.
What we found was not
at all what we anticipated.
What does that mean?
Every agency was interested.
Every agency knew the stories.
Everybody thought
somebody else was doing it.
UFOs are real.
And I mean by that a very hard craft that
transit our physical reality as we know it.
Whatever this is, it is far more
complex than we ever anticipated.
We're not even asking
the right questions yet.
Let's start a sentence with, John Lear is.
Oh, John Lear is a very
interesting and colorful character.
Unfortunately, we violently
disagree on notions of reality.
Certainly, I firmly believe that
we did put man on the moon.
You guys seem to have, you know,
some sort of respect for one another,
despite the fact that, you
know, you think he's totally crazy.
Yeah.
Well, let's understand. I mean, his
history with, like, Air America as a pilot.
We both were in Southeast Asia.
Certainly respect those kind of adventures.
The guy really had quite an exotic past.
Do you think he would
intentionally lead me the
wrong way just for his
own kind of pleasure?
Or do you think... I have no idea. I
mean, you're asking about his motive.
I have no idea or way to discern that.
Free booze.
Why did they think they went to a moon?
Because they got on this big-a*s
rocket and shot it up in the air.
You don't think they could have been baked?
No.
Do you ever ask yourself,
like, are you just nuts?
Am I just nuts?
No.
I know this is all real.
That's where I'm at.
And if I'm not, it's too bad.
It's a great ride, you know.
It was a constant barrage.
And to this day, a lot of it was bullshit.
It doesn't mean he didn't believe it.
You know, he believed it.
You say this as if you've seen it.
So, how do you know?
About seven years ago, I
was on AboveTopSecret.
com, and a guy started to
post whose name was Sleeper,
talking about being in
the army and having been
picked up by aliens and
taken all over the universe.
He's talking about
this guy. This guy that's
like a UFO Jesus. I
mean, some weird guy.
And like you said, he met the dude online.
The dude wrote some books.
Well, he was brought here to Earth in 1952.
The main problem is to get
out of here, this prison planet.
And according to Sleeper, I'm done.
When he says, little angels like John get
passed right on through without judgment.
That's pretty strong.
Did you see the part yet where I
f*cking made them meet face to face?
I guess, you know, proceeding
with John, I was wondering if, at
your convenience, if you have
interest, you know, to meet him.
Because as far as for his
ideas, as I've said, you've
played such a pivotal
role in his understanding.
I mean, he has such
an admiration for you.
It seems like it goes both
ways. Any month, any time.
You know, just for a couple
days, a weekend, you know,
I could, you know, essentially
bring you out to Vegas.
Do you want to do it over?
You know, I think that was
actually really good. It was natural.
So, I'm in the UFO phenomena. I came
here in a ship. And I learned a few things.
I learned a few things about Jesus,
Buddha, Mohammed, and other beings.
And I've explained a lot
of the things in my books.
Let me get a drink.
Okay, yeah.
Well, I just want you to know that this
is the first time I'm in front of a camera.
So, I have no experience
of being in front of a camera.
John Lear happened to
want to link up with me.
Because, you know, we're all friends.
We haven't met.
Okay, when you're ready, come on in.
The infamous Lou. Come on over here.
How's it going?
Just like your picture.
Oh, well that's good.
So...
But little angels like John get passed
right on through without judgment.
So just hold on to that ticket.
Is it still valid?
Oh, sure.
You know, I brought the icon.
The person that you can defer
everything to and just believe.
And I just felt like it was a lie.
You see each other again?
Yeah.
To this day, I don't understand it.
Mostly what I learned from
John Lear is what not to do.
I would see people come
from all around the world.
I'm Jeremy.
How are you?
Nice to meet you.
Jeremy.
Spice satellite programs.
And there was one that was a
nighttime Spice satellite program.
Thanks for the whiskey.
It's damn good.
Okay, yeah.
You guys mind to have a film?
I don't... I'm... I'm
an English person.
Are you okay?
People would come to
just get it off their chest.
Whether it was... They
were crazy or they were not.
It was true or not true.
He was just this, like, person
that you could just talk to.
And then from there,
though, I started to...
Because my mind was open,
I learned maybe from him,
don't judge somebody and push him away.
Somebody was trying
to take pictures of him,
but the government didn't want anybody to
know, but you did it anyway or something.
It allowed me to kind of
be a good listener, I think,
to people that have had profound
experiences that they believe.
Sometimes they're actual.
Sometimes they're a little misguided.
But I think that's a core value
that I learned from all that.
It's an Alice in Wonderland planet.
Very few people will ever find the truth.
But everybody is looking for the truth.
And a lot of people think
that they found the truth.
But that's impossible.
I was really frustrated.
I was there to learn about UFOs.
I was there to get information.
I thought it would happen so quick.
My wife was always really supportive.
She was like, when I just felt it, like,
I gotta go and drive to Las Vegas alone.
A lot of time, money,
everything, to do that.
You know, it's like, I was just
starting my real estate stuff.
So it was like, I was putting
every penny I had to get
in that car, buy the gas, get
down there, and, you know,
first couple times, you know, staying at
a hotel or something cheap I could find.
What kept me going was also that
some of what he said was verifiably true.
Stuff that was so out there.
Nevada test site, right
dead center of the test site,
is what is known as Area 51.
Like, about the way our
government was hiding the UFO truth.
He would tell me stuff and
provide me a document that
he got somewhere, and some
of that was absolute spot on.
Every single person has been abducted.
And are being abducted.
So UFO land is destabilizing.
And like, I went right into the
viper's pit with the destabilizing thing.
George Knapp was always this anchor.
In the five years since
we broke that story,
a lot of nonsense has surfaced
about what goes on out there.
We've heard stories
about tunnels that stretch
all the way to New
Mexico and New York,
secret underground bases
run by aliens and the military.
He was an island of sanity.
Yeah.
100% f*ck.
He was.
He still is.
Kinda.
I tried to get a hold of George Knapp
through email and calling the news station
and just asking if he would
have lunch with me or talk to me
so I could get some background
with him and talking to you.
And he hasn't responded
to me yet, but I won't stop.
I'll keep trying to
get a hold of him.
Yeah, he doesn't respond
to anybody that I know.
Getting to George
Knapp is like trying to get
to the f*cking president
during an election.
I mean, it's like, it's the
hardest thing in the world.
Contacting him and
contacting him because he
was like an idol and
George just blew him off.
They say it's the easiest
secret in the world to keep.
It's leaked out many times
before and nobody believes it.
But I had a new thing to say
and it was, hey, you know, for
like a year I've been filming
with John Lear in his home.
So I was an artist at the time, right?
So I was making art and I was
in my drive port, like my car port.
And I had this really toxic resin.
And it was like the phone rang for Vegas.
And I didn't know who was calling.
I even got resin on the phone,
but I was like, hello, this is Jeremy.
Sorry.
And some dude comes on and
he goes, hold for George Knapp.
And I'm like, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, wait, what?
And me, an unknown f*cking
person, George Knapp, started talking.
It's like shock and awe over Baghdad here.
You sit up here on the
roof or on the balcony below,
you cannot believe the
firepower that is unleashed.
Once they met, it was like they clicked.
Cheers.
Thanks for having me over.
This is great.
Things I went through the atomic
testing archives, the Department of Energy.
And the reason I want to look for it is
see if we could see Area 51 on the map.
And sure enough, it's on there.
Now in the days when I was doing this
research, Area 51, they said it didn't exist.
We've never used that term.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I thought that was the official
position of the Air Force.
It's especially satisfying to go
catch them in an absolute lie.
So suddenly, there's a whole shelf of books
about a base that no one had ever heard of.
Hundreds of news articles,
documentaries, TV dramas, a
thousand product lines,
along with assorted businesses.
The Bob Lazar music video.
He helped me really just
clear the table and start over.
Boxes, volumes, the stuff that I've got
on Area 51 and John Lear and Bob Lazar.
Did you ever think that
you would be so deep
with information into
these fields and mysteries?
Did you ever think this was
going to be a part of your life?
No, this was not part
of my game plan at all.
I think Bob is concerned about John's
credibility because it reflects on his own.
And if John Lear, who is a
proponent of the Bob Lazar
story, is whacked out
talking about crazy stuff,
it reflects badly on Bob's story.
So, yeah, I think he has a certain
concern for John, both because of
their friendship and because of
what it means to his own credibility.
I think I have obtained
enough testimony from
a couple of dozen people
who worked out there.
I believe that those
craft were out there, that
they looked like what we
would call flying saucers.
I believe that they came from somewhere
else because we weren't building them.
We were taking them apart
to figure out how they work.
Two dozen people who've worked out
there have told me that over the years.
They said it was a very
compartmentalized, restricted program.
Only the people with a very strict
need to know were read into the program.
I know there's a lot of
gamesmanship that's been played and
mind games with the public
and lies that have been told.
Take it or leave it.
I'm just telling you
what the story was
as he explained it to us.
I think that's what that is.
If you want it, you can take a look at it.
Sure. I mean, whatever you got on the
digitizer, I'm bringing it back to DigiCopy.
Many UFO sightings occur in broad daylight.
Many involve multiple witnesses.
The witnesses include pilots
and policemen, even a president.
People who are trained to be
observant and whose judgment is trusted.
The sightings date back to
the dawn of recorded history.
Can you give an overview of the kinds
of things that were in these reports?
They had photographs of
aliens or autopsy reports.
What did it look like?
The typical gray. I hate to say that
like anyone knows what a typical gray is.
It's a creature probably
three and a half to four feet tall.
I saw the carcass.
Well, I was obviously a dead alien.
The carcass cut up and all
dark inside like an iron base.
It seemed to be one large organ.
In the late 40s that this
project, because of its
potential magnitude, was
given executive power.
Did you ever know a man named Bob Lazar?
Here's his picture.
What about it?
If you want to know, then
sit down and talk about it.
Okay, that's what you're doing right now.
No.
Well, the camera's not rolling.
I understand.
But you see, we have
a limited amount of time.
If you want to understand
this, we need several hours.
If I ask you on camera if you know
Bob Lazar, can you just say no?
I will sit silent.
Can you tell me who he is?
Yeah, I can tell you who he is.
He's a scientist out in Reno, Nevada.
I worked at a place called Area 51.
That's Sector 4 within Area 51.
And he says that you've been
there and that he knows you
and that you helped him get
a job out at Area 51 Sector 4.
You met him at Los Alamos on June 28, 1982,
at a seminar you were giving
at Los Alamos, a lecture on SDI.
And he says you know about
all the things I'm talking about
and that you most likely
wouldn't talk to me about them
because he says they exist, but
people in general don't want them.
Don't... the people... Look, I don't
know Bob Lazar. All this sounds right.
I probably met him. I might have been...
I might have said to somebody,
I met him and I liked him
after I met him and if I liked him.
But I don't remember.
And why should I say that on camera?
I mean, look, you are trying to
false that I see. We won't answer.
I'm not asking you to say
what you believe to be a fact.
I'm asking you to say what you
read in a report that has distributed
at what may be the most
top secret facility in the world.
It's just... it's so...
it's so far out, it's...
Alright, your objection has been noted.
Okay. What does it say?
That we're containers. That's how... that's
how supposedly the aliens look at us.
That we are nothing but containers.
Containers of... Containers.
Maybe containers of souls. You can
come up with whatever theory you want,
but we're containers. And that's
how we're mentioned in the document.
That religion was specifically created.
So we had some rules
and regulations for the
sole purpose of not
damaging the container.
They shot at you? Somebody shot?
Maybe as a warning, perhaps?
It was a good warning. I had my back tire
shot out on my car as I was on the freeway.
You saw the guy.
Yeah.
Well, I didn't see the guy, per se.
I couldn't identify him.
You saw the car.
Yeah.
The only reason...
That you're doing it.
...that getting this on tape is insurance.
You've fallen into the rabbit
hole, and there is no more.
Do you want to grab your phone, or...?
No.
It's a fact.
Um... Do you think, uh... Do you think...
We've tried a couple times to call Bob.
Do you think we could
try that again, or next time?
We should really try to
get him on the phone so you
can be like, Are you
coming to my birthday, Bob?
So one day, John
said, Bob's in town.
My good friend, Bob Lazar, he's in town.
He's gonna come visit me.
And I'm like, okay, cool.
I'm there filming, because I've
been there all the f*cking time.
Bob came in, and of course, I
get to meet Bob, which is great,
because all I want to
f*cking know is, is he a liar?
And if I knew that, I
could put the cameras
away and f*cking go
home, and I'm f*cking done.
I am done with George Knapp.
I'm done with John Lear.
I'm done with UFOs.
It's f*cking done.
I don't f*cking care.
It was weird at the
time that I thought that
was the most important
question to answer.
And some of the things
John comes up with, I
mean, are pretty far
off of normal, sensible,
you know, the normal,
sensible range of possibilities.
Like the soul sucker.
Where in the world did that come from?
You know, right?
The greys were controlling
the soul sucker on the
moon, and when you
die, it sucks up your soul,
and it gets reprocessed
unless the greys steal it.
I mean, come on, John.
What the f*ck?
And there was a spirited
debate about Sleeper.
It was hilarious.
This book is a work of fiction.
Names, characters,
places, organizations, cities,
private and public,
government institutions,
millionaires are used
in a fabricated manner.
What else is he gonna say?
That's Lou!
What else is he gonna say?
What else is he gonna say?
Why would he lie in his own book?
Oh, by the way, all of us.
Why would he, why would he disclaim that?
I was like, hey, Bob, look, I don't know.
I don't know if this is
capturing my camera
or not, but I'm like, I don't know
if you're telling the truth anymore.
There's some things he didn't
even get into putting there.
Come on, John.
Three f*cking minutes
of you talking for
yourself would make a
huge difference to me.
Do you mind if I had to ask
you a couple questions about...
Alien spacecraft at Area
51 reverse engineering.
f*cking simple.
Just wanna know.
Yeah, I know there are alien
craft here from another planet.
Now, I saw other ones,
but I was inside one.
I know it was not made on Earth.
I know it was made with materials that
we cannot fabricate, we cannot duplicate,
and we've never been able to.
I know it uses a power
source that's so advanced that
we could only dream of
something along those lines.
And the energy density on it is phenomenal.
I saw the truth that day,
but I didn't trust it yet.
It took a lot more for me to trust it.
Yeah.
Now, I was going bonkers on UFOs.
I was, like, trying everything I could.
What the f*ck is going on with UFOs,
non-humans engaging humanity?
I was capturing the world and
letting it tell me what is possible.
Are you aware of a facility
or facilities on or near
Nellis Range designated
S-4 past, present, or future?
The best I can put together is
that there is another intelligence,
probably a lot of other intelligences,
that interact with us in a variety of ways.
They can enter our reality
and mess with us and leave.
And there's not much we can do about it.
Take care.
Oh, my goodness.
Here is a close-up photo.
This was on the bottom.
Not on the disc.
A wedge-shaped craft.
I give you a piece, and you
would guard this with your life.
I'll guard it with my life.
And not destroy it.
No.
I do not.
Alright.
Thank you for letting me in your lab today.
We have two samples
of the layered material.
I'd like to count for layers.
Are these artifacts from a
downed craft of any kind?
I would say no.
Any way mysterious to you at this moment.
No.
Somebody is going to some real
bother to represent, misrepresent,
essentially what anybody
would consider industrial waste.
I'm going to Vegas.
The old man is like, you
know, kind of not doing
so well and I got to wrap
some stuff up with him.
But it's coming to a point where
it's really making him immobile.
I got it.
I got it.
What was John's decline like?
I mean, f*ck, he was
a friend, first of all.
So it f*cking sucked.
See if we can nail it this time.
There you go.
Yeah.
They won't give me what I, what is prescribed
because nobody has that, that much.
Yeah.
That's great.
Thank you.
All right.
It was hard to see him suffer
and not have proper care.
There was something
mystical about John, like
the way he viewed the
world for all his flaws
and all the pain and
all the suffering and all.
And again, at the
end of his life, I mean,
he, I was probably the lowest
on his list of people that he liked.
Right.
I just want to know what it
was that pissed you off so much.
I've never seen you pissed.
Six times you said something like,
and it was exactly on the last time.
But I don't believe what
John Lear says anyway.
I don't believe most of
what he says anyway.
It's okay with me.
I just didn't know you didn't believe it.
Well, I think that's a
little bit inaccurate and
I think we'll have to
look at it differently.
But I've said, you know, with
each like time we've done a
radio interview that 90% of
what you say, I can't prove.
Let's talk about something else.
I don't feel like being contentious today.
Okay, okay.
Well, it's good to see you.
What does he want people to know today?
There ain't gonna be no disclosure.
Today, tomorrow, in the future, ever.
So the government is never gonna
tell people the truth about aliens?
They don't know the truth.
And that's mainly why they'll never tell,
is they don't even know what's going on.
Even at the worst
times, I like to believe
there was still love
between us as human beings.
And I can't shake that, that there was.
Even when he really...
I mean, I have voice messages.
He just chews me out.
f*cking hates me.
But I just always felt
like... Maybe I'm delusional.
But I felt like there was
always this respect and love.
I... I...
I love him.
You know, I always will.
There came a point
where Bob was sick and
f*cking tired of other
people talking about him.
And ultimately, that's what made him
come in front of the camera with me.
It all had to do with investigating
how this craft worked.
I do not have the luxury of disbelief.
Bob Lazar is telling you, as it
happened, how he experienced it.
Take that for whatever
value you take that at.
Coming from my mouth.
But that is the fact.
And wrap your head around that.
I probably was the biggest skeptic.
I thought a lot of it was just BS.
I didn't believe Bob Lazar.
So, are these the two guys?
You wrote this down for me in Pioneertown.
That these were the
guys... Hey, hey, why...
Why do we even have this
sheet of paper in existence here?
You told me to write it
down, put it in my safe.
And I did.
Is it the fear... Were they,
like, messed with or something?
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah, directly.
Okay.
And were they messed with
because the idea was that if
they stood up and made
you seem like a legit person?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
That is one of the most f*cked
part of the stories that I've heard.
You will not leave
before I get a hold of one
of the people associated
with the schools.
Really.
Yeah.
Hey, Jeremy.
It's Bob Lazar.
Listen, I have something to ask you.
Something to really
come up that's important.
What's the fuel for this reactor?
The fuel is even more bizarre.
It's an extremely heavy element.
On the periodic chart, it would be 115.
So here's the deal.
Did you ever get a piece of
element 115 out of Les Alamos?
Yeah, I did.
Did you get just one or multiple?
No, I had one.
Do they know you've hidden it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know how good we
were at keeping that quiet.
That didn't convince me.
But what's come down
in the last, I don't know,
six months or so,
it's like, yeah, there's
something going on here
that's bigger than I thought.
But it doesn't matter if you believe Bob.
It's either true or it's not true.
The whole thing.
The whole shebang.
When I got tipped
off about the Nimitz
encounters, I reached
out to a bunch of people.
They all kind of pointed to you.
Everybody referred
to you as this credible
individual who's a
straight sh**ter and you're
going to have no chance
at hell of talking with him.
You got to talk pilot.
When the incident happened, I had been
flying for about 16 years, about 3,600 hours.
I went to Top g*n, so
I am one of those guys.
There's four of us that actually visually
saw this thing for over five minutes.
UFOs are real, non-human intelligence,
from somewhere else, not made by mankind.
Or it's a big f*cking lie.
My name is David Fravor.
I'm a retired commander
in the United States Navy.
In 2004, I was a
commanding officer of Strike
Fighter Squadron 41, the
world-famous Black Aces.
All four of us, because we were an F-18F,
so we had pilots and Wizzo in the backseat,
looked on a small, saw
a white tic-tac object
with a longitudinal
axis pointing north-south
and moving very abruptly over
the water, like a ping-pong ball.
The controller told us that these objects
had been observed for over two weeks,
coming down from over 80,000
feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet,
hanging out for hours, and
then going straight back up,
for those who don't realize,
above 80,000 feet of space.
We hadn't really thought about it.
Like, you'd have to see something
that you trusted, on video or in person,
to really wrap your head around it.
And if you do, it might change
the way you see the world.
And all of that leads us to today.
I'm being quite vulnerable.
This whole time, I have not gone public.
The only thing that I have done is
ensure if I die, this story comes out.
And here's the kicker, Jeremy, is I
don't trust the government so much
that I don't even want to
go into witness protection.
I don't even want to f*cking tell anybody.
One, because I don't know if I
can even legally tell anybody.
And two, I don't trust them
to not f*ck me up more.
They've ruined my life.
They've ruined my friend's life.
They're in process of
f*cking with everybody else.
And we're just all fine with it.
No big deal.
Like, I...
This whole thing sucks, man.
It sucks.
I want to know what is
happening with my life.
Like, I deserve to know that.
You do.
And I can't keep living like this.
Like, I got married a month
before I went down there.
Right.
My entire marriage has
been wrapped up with
this and my wife left
her job over this sh*t
because I didn't want them going after her.
I'm tracking everything.
So at least be... Just be knowledgeable that
somebody is tracking everything for you.
I also will make a promise to you.
that if I ever get pertinent information
to your personal case or well-being,
I will immediately
transmit that to you 100%.
No questions asked.
As a friend.
Okay.
I appreciate that.
I have one more favor to ask of you.
Anything.
If anything happens to
me, please make sure...
Hold on.
What the f*ck?
Please make sure my wife is taken care of.
Okay.
This f*cking sucks.
This f*cking sucks.
This really sucks.
The agreement is that you know everything.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you need to know this.
Okay.
So we'll talk tomorrow.
Okay, baby.
Okay. Love you, mama.
I love you.
I'll forget what you tell me anyway, but...
Everybody wants to catch
me in pain on camera.
Don't want to go there.
All right.
Let's just start.
All right.
Such a funny story, man.
Like, you know, I like... Sorry.
It's a funny story.
Simple question.
I've been holding a
secret for about 11 years.
There is a reason why
I chose to believe you.
If you lied about everything,
the problem is you were right.
So that's weird.
UFOs are real.
Did you see something?
Do you have something?
Right.
Okay, so let me be very
careful with how I say it.
So, yes, obviously, military-filmed
footage of UFOs beyond any question.
It's not a video of an alien.
It's not a video of one craft.
It's more than that.
Hours upon hours of
military-filmed, unambiguous UAP.
Okay, so you had...
So the reason why I'm not telling you right
now that I have those videos, if I said
I have them, right, then I would be
immediately federally rated within seconds.
There also exists seven years of recorded
conversations of consequence, thousands of hours of
people, witnesses, first-hand intelligence officers,
threats I have received, coercion, entrapment.
And I have been working with, in person,
Congress, Senate, Senate intelligence.
Are you sure you're making
the right decision on this?
Well, I mean...
I thought about this, too, that, you
know, maybe there's a good reason
they're keeping this secret and that
everyone's agreed to keep it secret.
And, you know, what I've always, you know,
pushed for is just at least make it known that
there is some other intelligence and some
craft or whatever, something else going on.
And they've kind of admitted that, and at
that point, that's where I wanted to stop.
They have admitted it, but they
are threatening the life of a journalist.
And when I mean they, I don't
mean just the United States.
But you keep pushing further and further.
I do, Bob.
I don't...
I don't think that's a good idea.
For who?
I don't think it's a good idea for
you, because of what's happening.
Understood. This is no longer about me.
I am protecting whistleblowers with
first-hand knowledge like yourself.
I have to make a really hard decision
because I've tried every other way to do it.
And here's the question I have for you.
As somebody with critical
and important information about
UFOs, that they are real, and I
can prove a lot more than that,
should I expose corruption and crime relating
to the withholding of this truth from
the American public and about the nature of
UAPs if it doesn't harm national security?
Yes.
Say it again?
Yes.
Okay.
People will go to jail for this.
Meaning, people within agencies,
very powerful people, will go to jail.
Should I do it?
Yes.
Yes.
And the reason I say yes is, like,
nothing is above the law, dude.
These threats, I think
if I'm being honest, it
means that everything
I'm doing is not in vain.
There is a private corporation,
and that corporation
wants to protect its assets,
meaning visual, intellectual.
Oh, I have a delivery of atropine
coming to me tomorrow, and it
is a remedy to a nerve agent,
because this threat was so specific.
The fact I know is either a
testament to the excellent sources I
have, or people are overcautious,
or I'm getting f*cking played.
It is so alarming to me, what has
happened to some of the whistleblowers.
It is not my story to tell,
but I am f*cking following it.
Out of two people, there was one allegedly willing to testify
to their direct, first-hand involvement in reverse-engineering
a UFO for a private corporation within and under an
intelligence agency for the United States government.
Actively owned the legacy
program, and that person is dead.
It is of high concern to us that
their autopsy and investigation
be done from a third-party
outside intelligence agency.
I mean, there's co-workers and friends of mine that worked
on that program for years. They were not hazed. They were not
tricked. They literally worked on the material and the
specimens and all that, and that was kind of common knowledge.
People mysteriously vanished from the
program, never to be seen again. Everybody's
supposed to have due process, regardless
of accusations of treason or what have you.
There's a couple of core
secrets the United States
has, where they are willing
to commit those deeds.
That's not the America
I thought I grew up in.
That's not the America
I thought I was serving.
You know, even though I
was a little disillusioned when
I was in Afghanistan and I
saw what we were doing there.
But, you know, I still
believed in, you know,
America doing the right
thing at the end of the day.
I don't know what UFOs are. I don't
know what they represent to humanity.
Ask your priest. Ask a scientist.
I'm a tattooed, bearded, accidental
journalist that has a great mentor.
I'm not qualified to answer your question.
Abby, Abby. Stay. Stay.
Yeah. Hi, baby.
I love you. I love you.
You want a beer? Yes.
They're not going to come
after you, not only you.
They're going to
come after your dad.
Oh, my God.
Am I having a good day, Michael?
It's a hard moment.
I know.
It's just really...
I'm trying to keep it together.
I'm scared to death. You know,
there have been threats on his life.
My lady's doing great. My pups are
doing great. Everybody's doing great.
I'm not.
So let's talk about it.
I'm petrified.
Don't be. Don't be.
I can't just turn it off
because I'm out of switch.
I mean, the CIA and the FBI, it seems
like there isn't a lot of communication
and the CIA is more interested
in protecting government secrets.
And the FBI is saying, yeah, well, we
can protect you from the CIA or whatever.
And also these independent
contractors that work for the CIA.
Things have been, different times in my
life, very clear and defined. And at this
point in my life, it feels like the f*cking
Twilight Zone, except everything is real.
If you really have stuff that is that
sensitive that you cannot release, and you're
relying on your connection as a journalist,
they're going to throw you to the dogs.
He's been told by a
bunch of officials in the
government that he needs
to get a conceal and carry.
That he has ordered this
antidote for neurotoxins.
They told him, don't
go into any parking
garages, because that's
another favorite place.
Don't be alone.
Don't drive alone. Don't be alone.
Don't drive alone, baby. I love you.
What? I don't know what to do.
I don't know.
Do not show this, man.
No, I don't want to take a few minutes.
I'm sick, I'm not feeling good.
And there's a lot about to happen.
Okay, so, your question was...
I'm sad for people, man.
People f*cking cry to me, dude.
Take care of my wife.
So, I could prove UFOs are real.
Probably go to jail for it.
But I could prove it.
I am just trying to report in America.
I should not be threatened
by our intelligence agencies.
I should not be threatened by corporations.
And I should not be
threatened by individuals.
Problem is that I have received
threats from all of the above.
Direct threats, bro.
So, if I got a problem...
Can you imagine people that,
like, sign sh*t that says,
your life will be done?
You know?
It's like... I don't know, man.
I have never worked for the government.
And I have signed no NDAs.
This UFO thing?
It's wild f*cking west for me.
I don't regret ever
opening my f*cking mouth.
Here's the deal, man.
If I tell you my secret, you would know
why I knew Bob Lazar was telling the truth.
You would then know why I
decided it was important to verify that.
To b*llet test it.
You would know what motivated me.
You would know who motivated me.
Do you want me to just tell you?
Do you want to know the secret?
I didn't know if Bob Lazar
was telling the truth or not.
And so, over the course of ten
years, I asked somebody over
and over and over again, not
about Lazar, just about the topic.
And over and over and over, that person
told me nothing to see here and move on.
And this man is the
most respected, revered,
and highest-ranking
military individual I know.
Very carefully. Gingerly.
What is your opinion on crap
that have no sound, that are
a mile wide, that are picked
up on radar and sit there?
Are those ours? No, those are not ours.
Somebody who would know.
Okay, so maybe it started like that.
I don't know if I should
tell this story, Michael.
I don't think people should hear this, man.
You realize there's a thousand
people who could tell you what's up.
You realize this is not on me.
I'm going to tell you part of it.
There's somebody I really respect.
Somebody in a position to know.
Somebody that loves me.
As a human being at that time.
Loves me as a human being.
And I said...
I need to know...
if this is true.
I'm about to spend...
all of my effort...
all of it... on this.
This one question.
Is Lazar telling the truth or not?
Lazar's story is, by
any standards, fantastic.
He says he's telling it in
order to protect himself.
John!
Bob, this is George. How you doing?
Oh my God!
Happy birthday to you!
I was going to embed myself into his life.
Have you been there?
You know that place.
Am I wasting my time?
Because you've told me for years
not to waste my time on certain things.
Dude goes into a wood shop.
Spends like three f*cking
hours angry at some wood.
comes out.
Why wouldn't he be telling the truth?
That's the start of it.
Why wouldn't he be telling the truth?
Oh, he?
Oh, you're talking about somebody now.
Okay.
Have you been there?
I've flown out of there.
Okay.
Is there a place exactly like that?
You know what?
Why wouldn't it be?
I went angry.
Conflicted.
Inside.
Personally.
Should I hunt this?
With all of my might.
End of the day, let's just say,
I dedicated my life to it.
And not blindly.
And that is what started me.
To try to find that truth.
And I found it.
Unambiguously, I found it.
When I get up high on the food chain.
of people that ran the legacy UFO program.
And I push them and I
push them and I push
them and they won't
break their f*cking oath.
And I push them to the point
where something's gonna break.
Every single f*cking time.
They'll say something to me like,
Don't kick a sleeping dog.
I guess I gotta put my money
where my mouth is now.
You know?
Make a choice.
I don't know what to do, man.
Is it worth it?
To who?
Jeremy is so honest and so
protective of everybody he talks to.
He doesn't talk to anybody
about what he has except George.
So, where are we?
Um...
I actually do get nervous
just thinking about it.
You've seen it all too.
Um...
We've never seen that
kind of thing out in the world.
It's overwhelming the amount
of footage that we've obtained.
Somebody from the New York Times said,
You guys are in a pickle.
Because at this point it is
a national security issue.
There could be
repercussions for journalists.
Um... I think where we're
at is, I don't know what to do.
I can't even count the number of
death threats I've had over 40 years.
I don't... I don't... I laugh at
them when I get them now.
You know?
I figure, A, if they really
are gonna try to k*ll you,
they're not gonna call you up and warn you.
Right.
I think anybody that has had that
intense depth of experience I was having
would have felt and maybe
acted the way that I did,
which is very self-protection
mode, my wife and me.
Yeah.
I mean, look, she was
getting death threats.
Yeah.
You know?
Your wife and your mom and all that stuff.
Yeah.
That's... That's really...
That's over the edge.
f*ck them with that stuff.
Exactly.
Yeah.
The first 10 years that I was doing this,
I'm going through the same
stuff that you're going through now.
Bouncing off the walls.
Up and down.
Peaks and valleys.
Scared shitless.
Worried about what comes next.
And then I just decided to let it go.
I mean, are they gonna k*ll me?
I'm now at an age where I said,
well, if you're gonna k*ll me, f*ck you.
What's the difference?
I've lived a long time.
I remember the first time I realized
they were tapping my phones.
I was astonished.
You know, stunned.
How the hell could this
happen in a newsroom,
in a TV station in Las Vegas,
that somebody's listening to my phone
and then visits people and intimidates
them and tells them to shut the hell up?
How could that happen in America?
There's no damn way they
had a warrant for those taps.
They just did it.
To see who else was coming
in to give us information.
And like I said, people
outside of our world on this topic
would not believe that's real.
But it is real.
You can't let them get to you.
You cannot let them get to you.
Because they'll wear you down.
And it's just, you know,
my gesture that I've shared
with you before, when
things are going really bad,
and there's been periods
of real bad ups and downs.
Is that the best you got?
Yeah.
Bring it. What do you got?
Yeah.
It's the biggest question
in human history,
other than maybe what
happens after we die?
You know, is there something that goes on?
It's the biggest.
Are we alone in the universe?
Is there another intelligence out there?
If so, has it visited?
You know, that's big stuff.
That's world-changing stuff.
If we just put out everything that
we trusted has ever come to us,
it would represent one of the
largest leaks in American history.
The journalist's ethical imperative
is get the story, get it right,
and tell it no matter who
it helps or who it hurts.
And I've always tried to live up to that.
And you and I have had these conversations
before about how far we should go.
The reality of it is, while we
can try to live up to the journalist's
ethical imperative, the third
part, tell it no matter who it helps
or who it hurts, is not
realistic with this topic.
Because, you know, as we've talked before,
and I've shared with
you from the beginning,
is you've got to sometimes protect
sources even from themselves.
We were going to bring
our best evidence ever.
That's what they asked for.
They wanted to bring us into
a skiff so we could show them
what we would play under
protection at Congress,
the best visual evidence we have of UAP.
And I thought, great,
we're under protection.
This is to the American public.
This is the way it should be.
There we go. Let's do it.
Our lawyer suggested
we don't go in that skiff,
because the second we do, we can
no longer be journalists and report on it.
It could instantaneously
be classified or
something like that so
that we can't report on it.
The public's always telling us, I
don't want to see grainy images
from some thermal sensor.
I want to see the good stuff.
It exists. It's out there.
I don't think they're ever going to
willingly release that stuff to the public.
So if it's going to come out, it's going to
have to come out through people like us.
There's a gigantic segment
of the population that
still is not tuned into
it, not paying attention.
They might see a news
piece here or there on
a program, but
they're living their lives.
They're raising their
families, paying the bills.
They're worried about what's happening
to our country and what comes next.
Does it help to drop
everything all at once?
You know, but I think that's dangerous
because there's the unknowns
of how we could be damaging.
national security or something like that.
What's something we can put out
that will be safe for national security?
Well, there's one particular image.
I know this is not a mistake.
I know it's the right thing.
I'm just a little bit, you know,
terrified to begin that process.
Yeah.
Welcome to life.
We're alive.
It's exciting.
Yeah.
That's fun.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It is.
Okay.
Fear and fun.
Yeah.
I guess it's time.
We'll do our best, slow and steady,
and put out what we feel
is appropriate and good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whew.
So, we actually just
made a decision right there.
Like, we're gonna do it.
So, Steph, we have to be careful.
Oh, f*ck.
f*ck.
The first one will be interesting
because, you know, if this was an...
Even though the information and
the data and the visuals are real,
like, it could just have been a setup to be
able to stop our reporting moving forward.
We'll know because we'll
get pressure and it will not be...
It probably will not be public.
You know, boy, when you start releasing
this, even if you get away initially,
somebody's not gonna like it.
And they're concerned
they're just not gonna sit back
and let you guys slowly keep releasing
information if they don't want it out there.
It's a dangerous game you're playing.
Yeah.
I don't have a choice.
I am doing this because George
Knapp told me the first rule of journalism.
You protect sources
or witnesses with your
life, even if they don't
protect themselves.
And I took that to heart.
So now, I do not have a choice.
You're right on the edge, Jeremy.
I love you.
I don't want to see anything happen to you.
What's the purpose, Dave?
Why are we doing this?
Well, I mean, I've already
crossed the Rubicon.
You know, I'm not gonna
stop until the mission's
done or I'm non-mission
capable, as we say.
But these people want to
push back at me like that?
Well, great. I'm not intimidated.
They know what they
have to do to shut me up.
So, bring it.
I think I'm like you.
And, you know, it's like, f*cking
bring it or get the f*ck out the way.
There's a whole part of reality
that the federal government,
its private partners and
other nations around the world
and participation thereof
for the last several decades.
And I'm of the generation
that has seen our parents
and older siblings and
friends go to w*r for what?
And I think it's time
for a new era to begin,
especially because, you
know, we're not alone.
And this universe is teeming
with life and that life is already here.
And, you know, we could
openly interact with it.
Here's a little bit of a closer look.
This is a freeze frame.
This is with some boosted
contrast of what appears
to be a disc-shaped object
captured back in 2020,
possibly somewhere over
Afghanistan, Pakistan, the border there.
This was filmed by some
sort of asset, DoD asset and
forward-looking infrared
shot from above looking down.
Jeremy Corbell, he joins us on set.
Jeremy, good to see you. Welcome back.
Good to see you, man.
Alright, so getting into this,
navigating through the clouds.
Like, I hate to even bring
this up, but that sounds
a lot like Jordan Peele
wrote it in NOPE, right?
That's what we saw a little bit in NOPE.
What's going on here?
What are we looking at?
Yeah, so for a couple years
of investigating this footage,
right, making sure it's
authentic, where it came from,
what we're seeing here
that's different than ever before.
You know that I've obtained and released
with George Knapp thermal videos of UAP.
Now, our government has
admitted some of what we've put out.
They've admitted their UAP.
I'll tell you this. I'm not saying it.
That was in the original footage.
It says UAP navigating through clouds.
They called it a disk.
I'm not even calling it a disk.
But what you're seeing is first shape.
I have never seen in
all UFO history, when it
comes out of military,
an actual circular form.
That was amazing to me.
The second is the movement.
When you see it make
an abrupt turn from your
left to your right when
you're watching it.
And the third thing that
really was astonishing to me.
This isn't thermal. There is no heat
signature of traditional propulsion.
Is there a chance that this is
just a, I don't know, a balloon?
Our military doesn't think so.
Our military called it a disk.
Our intelligence community
has been at this since 2020.
Now, look, when assets like this get out to
journalists like me and George, you know,
we're not experts at this, but we know and
can report that our military calls us UAP,
like every piece of footage we've put out.
You have become the conduit
for so many of these videos here.
This is the tip of the iceberg,
what you're seeing here.
George Knapp and I are committed
to reporting on our best evidence.
No, that means that you got more.
That means that there's other stuff.
I know you well enough to...
I hope that the world gets to
see more, better, diverse footage.
I am not in absolute control of how the
world receives things, but as a journalist,
I am going to fight to get as
much out as humanly possible.
Got it. And real quick, what's
the update on Capitol Hill?
There will be more hearings. If they
have courage, there will be more hearings.
And I have three first-hand
witnesses that they can put up to testify.
We're looking forward to witnesses.
We're looking forward to more evidence.
Jeremy Corbell, so good to see you.
Fascinating topic, isn't it? Yeah.
Always a fascinating topic.
I've come to realize that everything
I did, every single thing I did,
prepared me for exactly
where we are right now, today.
I would like to see him
have a more normal life.
Is there a part of you that wishes Jeremy
had chosen a safer path, outside of UFOs?
No.
I wouldn't, because for various reasons
about who he is, he needs to do this.
The conversation will be different one day.
I just don't know how long that takes.
This nightmare coming
back, I am genuinely
starting to get concerned
that it is coming for me.
Please make sure my wife is taken care of.
My name is Dylan Portland,
a former 1N1 Geospatial
Intelligence Specialist for
the United States Air Force
and an active duty enlisted
capacity from 2010 to 2013.
I came forward out of concern for people's lives
and to ensure I did everything I could to let
our elected representatives know the truth about
what is really happening in the executive branch.
Each day, victims of crimes committed
by agencies and companies maintaining
this secrecy are denied justice is
another day our constitution is shredded.
In 2023, Patriots provided this
committee and the executive branch with
undeniable proof of the UAP reality, and
I commend your continued commitment.
It was proposed and we accepted that we
would study all aspects of the phenomena.
And by the phenomena, I mean UFOs.
EIA and Congress monitored
the funds at all times.
Was that part of OSAP, where
you go knocking on doors to see,
hey, have you guys got crash
flying saucers somewhere?
Yes.
If it's not Russian, it's
not ours, it's not Chinese.
It's, it's somebody else.
Now, you know, at that
point, even OSAP stopped.
You look into UFOs, you
encounter the paranormal.
You can, you can decide to ignore it.
It's not going to ignore you.
We simply confirmed what
people have reported over the years.
And it's occurring and it's accepted.
I have been approached by
CIA to be paid money to shut up.
I've been approached by FBI
for money to give up sources,
all of which I have declined
and is well documented
and is with my lawyer,
who is Chuck McCullough.
We also welcome the
Honorable Charles McCullough,
Inspector General of the
Intelligence Community
at the Office of the Director
of National Intelligence.
Look, Jeremy, you are a journalist,
but this is a very serious situation.
You're not in a skiff. You're not, you're
not protected on some base somewhere.
You need to be very careful.
I'm being careful as I can.
It's every single piece of armament that I
could put together over the last 11 years
that I'm ready to present in a
very controlled and slow way.
I would imagine over
the next couple years,
if I can start with one
piece of information
and give people
education and slowly bring
people forward without
being f*cked with, harmed.
But I do need to be protected.
My lawyer, Chuck McCullough said for me,
my biggest fear for you right now is
being taken into custody for 24 hours
and to not be ever the same after.
And it would have to
be under false charges.
So now, I want to be very
f*cking clear with you, Bob.
I have committed zero crimes that
Commander David Fravor now knows.
And he told me, you need to do it.
I want you to keep using the
processes we talked about.
Your methodologies are exceptional.
I want you to keep doing what you're doing.
You need to keep vetting these
people that are coming to you, right?
Yeah, thank you. I will. Same process.
You need to be extraordinarily careful.
Keep the vetting going.
That looks like what it's made out of.
There's going to be an enormous amount
of interest in what you're doing here.
Yeah, there is, yeah.
So you and I need to
get together and have
a substantive conversation
about this, okay?
I need to do that now.
It's really sad that the powers that
be, for some reason, have decided
that you are not allowed to know
the nature of an aspect of reality.
And that has happened. That has happened.
And that's unfortunate.
The excuse on their
end, you know, people that
are getting high up
on the food chain here,
their excuse about the cover-up
about this, or what they tell me
and George, you know, is that
they don't want to uncover this.
And that is frustrating, because
it's like they're scared of something.
I'll tell you this, is that all the
encounters that I hear about that I
believe, like the ones, you know,
from military people who are not public,
things that have been documented
by our government, these visitors
can essentially get you to see
anything they want you to see.
So that's a problem.
If you look at stories, and
then you look at documentation,
and you look at just what
people have reported,
all the way back to
when we're barely making
boats, you bring that
all the way through time.
There is a consistency.
Where does this start for you?
When you look up to the
stars, or you wonder what that
means, that every single
spot of light you see is a sun,
likely with orbiting planets
in the Goldilocks zone.
Where this starts is,
you have this intuition.
It doesn't matter who lies to you about it.
Like, do you realize, in your own
personal experience, that something's up?
Maybe you've had experiences.
You can't explain.
Not like seeing an alien, seeing a UFO.
I'm talking about like, simple things.
Feelings.
Hunches.
Like, it's okay not to have the answers.
It's not okay to f*cking hide the answers.
Be vocal.
Talk about it.
Discuss it.
That's where all this starts for everybody.
Don't hide from it.
This UFO thing is just
a f*cking symbol, man.
It's a reminder.
Maybe that's all it is.
Maybe it's just there to remind you.
To make you guess.
To make you wonder.
Maybe that's what it's about.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But, um... Stop
telling yourself lies.
Other people are better at it.
Life is strange.
So am I.
I'll be strange till the day that I die.
Life is sad.
Life is sad.
So will you.
That's alright.
We can cry if you want to.
Let's drink.
Here's two words.
Take a cup.
Go on, fill it up.
But you said you really
don't drink anymore.
And we all turn into dust.
And I'll stay forever right
here if you want me to.
Life is strange.
Life is strange.
Tell me why.
Feel alone when I stare at the sky.
I'm unworthy.
So are you.
Life is strange.
So I do what I do.
Sing the old song.
Make me cry.
I will stay till the day that I die.
I'm unworthy.
So are you.
Life is strange.
I want you.
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