02x19 - Brawl for Dogs

[bunniefuu]

You rent a room to the defendant?

He says that he's not going
to follow house rules anymore.

You were royally miffed.

So, we get into this altercation,
and we're, like, wrestling.

"Traumatic injury of the head...
blunt trauma of the neck."

And he puts me
into a chokehold, and I black out.

[narrator]
This is Judy Justice.

Armando Rodriguez
is suing his former tenant,

Samuel Gastolum, for an as*ault.

[bailiff]
Court come to order. All rise.

Have a seat, everyone.

Hello, Judge. Case number


-Thank you. Mr. Rodriguez?
-Yes.

What kind of a premises
do you live in, sir?

It's a four-bedroom house.

And I see here that you rent
out some of the rooms in order

to assist with your mortgage.

-That's correct.
-[Judy] How many rooms do you rent out?

-Three.
-[Judy] And who lives in the other?

Right now it's Kathleen Meister,
and then I have two other roommates.

-And you use one room?
-[Samuel] Correct.

When did you rent a room to the defendant?

[Samuel]
It was January 22.

And what was the
rent that you were charging him?

-$750 a month.
-When he came to you, did he have a dog?

-No.
-[Judy] When did you move in?

-About late January.
-Give me a day.

-22nd.
-[Judy] And you moved in alone?

-Yes, ma'am.
-Paid your rent on time?

-Yes, ma'am.
-[Judy] February, paid your rent on time?

-Yes, ma'am.
-Lived there alone?

-Yes, ma'am.
-What about March?

Yeah, I lived there alone in March also.
Yes, ma'am.

-When did you get a dog?
-I've had my dog...

No, when did you get a dog
that you brought into the house?

April 22nd... 23rd.

-So several months after you moved in.
-Mm-hmm.

-[Judy] "Uh-hum" is not an answer.
-Yes, ma'am.

And before you moved the dog in, did
you have a discussion with the plaintiff?

-Yes, ma'am.
-Just prior to moving in with the dog.

And what was the discussion
that you had with the plaintiff?

That if it was okay if I were to
bring my dog that I had in Alaska,

since I had him
since he was about six, seven weeks.

And where had
he been in the last two months?

Uh, he was still in Alaska
staying with close friends.

And I flew to Seattle,
shipped my truck and all my belongings

to Seattle, and drove here,
uh, from Seattle

when my dog,
the person who was watching him,

drove from Alaska to Montana

and had gone to Montana to pick him up.

So, you asked Mr. Rodriguez
if it was okay if you brought your dog.

-Yes, ma'am.
-[Judy] And what did he say?

-Yes.
-[Judy] Did he say anything else?

-He said, "Just clean..."
-No, look at me.

Did he say anything else other than...

"Clean up after the dog,
make sure that the dogs don't fight,

and just take care of him."

Okay. Nothing about
him staying out of the house?

He said he wouldn't
prefer him to be around the house,

but he would not... it would be
okay for him to be in my room.

In your room?

Mm-hmm.
The dog stayed in that room a few nights,

and he knowingly knew about it.

No, I don't want "know what he knew."
I want to know what your arrangement was.

So, your arrangement with him,
according to you... I haven't asked him,

but according to you, is that
you asked him if you could bring your dog.

He said okay for the dog to stay outside,

but could stay in your room.

He said he didn't want him
in the living area.

-[Judy] Right.
-My dog could also be in the garage or...

In your room.

And was everything okay in
April when you brought the dog?

-[Samuel] Yeah, everything was okay.
-What about May?

May, I was looking for a new place.

I was homeless because
I had spent five days in jail.

Oh, I'm talking about before you went
to jail, sir. Before you went to jail.

Because this case is about an as*ault,
which is what the plaintiff is claiming.

Plaintiff is claiming that
you assaulted him in the home.

-Mm-hmm.
-And that took place on April 30.

-[Samuel] Mm-hmm.
-That was shortly after your dog arrived?

-Yes, ma'am.
-[Judy] Okay.

And the dog was
the reason for the altercation.

A part of it, because
that's when it started.

In February, March,
and up until April... the end of April,

when the dog was there...

I see no evidence here
that there was any difficulty.

-You're right.
-Fair statement?

So that the problem arose when the dog
came. Now, this woman's name is Kathleen.

She's dispersed in both the complaint and
the answer in this case. She had a cat.

-Mm-hmm.
-'Uh-hmm" is not an answer.

-Yes, ma'am.
-She had a cat.

-And it was house cat?
-Yes, ma'am.

-Plaintiff has a dog.
-A few dogs.

[Judy]
And they live in the house?

Yes. They stay in the garage
and in the backyard. Yes.

Garage and backyard.
Do they stay in the house?

-They do not go inside.
-[Judy] Okay.

So, his dogs stay outside,
and he's said to you, according to you,

the dogs can stay outside,
in the garage, and in your room?

Yes.

In April, did your dog get out
of your room or into the house?

-Yes.
-[Judy] Yes. On what date?

April 30. Because I was
allowing him inside to go to my room.

On April 30th, the dog was where?

In the backyard, but I was
bringing him inside to come to my room.

You were bringing him from outside to
come into your room.

I haven't asked him.

He says in his papers that
the dog was supposed to remain outside.

You were bringing him inside to your room?

Yes, ma'am.

Because it is your claim here
that it is an emotional support dog.

Yes, ma'am.

And you also had at least
a couple of months where you left the dog

-in Alaska, right?
-With... who I trust.

I don't care...
people who you trust or not.

If you needed an emotional
support animal,

an emotional support animal
has to travel with you.

So, don't show me a certificate.

-Do you understand?
-Yes, ma'am.

By the way, did that certificate
that you have come from a psychiatrist?

-Uh, no.
-No. Did it come from a psychologist?

No.

Did it come from
any doctor who was treating you?

It was a doctor's note. Yes.

A doctor who was treating you?

-Yes.
-Yes.

Not a psychiatrist.

-Not a psychiatrist. No.
-Not a psychologist?

Not a psychologist.

And you took this note and you had
to send it to somebody over the internet?

Yes.

-And then they sent you a certificate.
-Yes,

-[both stammer]
-[Judy] That's what I got.

Okay, so now you're bringing the dog
on April 30 from the backyard

into the house and...?

-He attempts to grab the dog.
-No, no, no. Is the dog on a leash?

-No. He's very well...
-[Judy] Just a sec...

-Is the dog on a leash?
-No.

[Judy]
Were you holding the dog by the collar?

Yes.

And now you're
taking the dog from outside to inside.

-What did he say to you?
-"No dogs in the house."

Because that's
what he had said to you before.

"You can have your dog,
but no dogs in the house."

I want to tell you something.

That's what I believe.
So he said, "No dogs in the house."

-And you said to him...?
-"I'm going to bring my dog into my room."

[Judy] But when you asked him if
you could bring the dog to the house,

there is no question in my mind that he
said to you, "Bring the dog to the house.

But the dog doesn't come into the house."

He stayed in my
room a few nights prior to that.

I don't care. Listen to me.

-That's what the arrangement was, sir.
-Okay.

The arrangement was
not what you told me before.

The arrangement was with him:

"Yes, you can bring the dog
to the house. I will let you do that.

But the dog has to stay either in
the garage or outside, like my dogs."

-Okay.
-And you said, in effect, "Screw you.

I'm bringing my dog and I'm
bringing my dog into my room."

-Yeah.
-You're the tenant.

That was the agreement.

"You can have the dog,
but the dog must not be in the house."

That's what your landlord told you.

You brought the dog from Alaska,
and at the very beginning,

-you brought the dog into your room.
-Mm-hmm.

When had you decided that you were
going to breach the agreement with him?

The very first
night I went to receive my dog,

he stayed at the house
inside my room with me.

So, the very first night
that you brought him,

you decided to breach
the agreement that you had.

He had knowingly said it was okay.

-Did you tell him it was okay?
-Never.

-I have texts.
-I'd like to see it.

-I have to scroll back.
-Scroll to wherever you have to scroll.

Scroll down to the creation. I don't care.

-I have all day here. Nobody is hungry.
-[chuckling]

I'mma look for it.

[Judy] Still have two more cases to do
before lunch.

Everybody gets a little testy,
including me.

I don't have the text.

-[Judy] Mm?
-I don't have the text.

[Judy]
Yeah, good. That's what I thought.

Okay. It wasn't on the 30th
that the dog got loose in the house.

It was sometime before that,
maybe a day or so before that.

On the 30th was a day, sir,
that you got locked out of the house.

-Mm-hmm.
-"Uh-huh" is not an answer.

-Yes, Your Honor.
-[Judy] Okay.

And what time of the day was it
that you got locked out of the house?


Late afternoon.

And according to what I read,
you went to the back of the house

to let yourself into the house,

and you got into
an altercation with Kathleen?

Absolutely, she shouldn't have
put her hands on and slapped you

because you were fresh.

Because you wouldn't be
fresh to me, right?

-"Fresh"?
-Fresh. That's what you say to a child.

-Fresh. How old are you?
-65.

-[Judy] How old are you?
-25.

That's fresh.

[narrator] Armando Rodriguez claims
his former tenant, Samuel Gastelum,

is responsible
for damages from an as*ault.

Samuel says he was the one
assaulted and falsely arrested.

Now, you got into
an altercation with Kathleen.

Not quite, Your Honor.

[Judy]
Well, tell me what happened.

I had been outside.

I went out the garage, and I was
playing a time-sensitive game on my Xbox.

So, I was going back to the room,
and I knocked on the garage door.

No one answered.
Knocked on a few times, pounded,

then I went back around and

knocked on the
sliding glass door a few times...

more than few times. Finally,
Kathleen comes up and answers the door.

At that point, I've been out
there for about ten minutes, so I'm upset.

I'm like, "Who locked me out?
Who locked the door?"

She gets completely defensive.
She says "It wasn't me. It wasn't me."

And I'm like, "I'm asking who it was,"
because Armando and I had to...

Because you're on a time-sensitive...

-Yes, ma'am. Yes, Your Honor.
-...video game.

-[Judy] You're on a time-sensitive
video game.

-Yeah, I was doing something
time-sensitive.

-[Judy] How old are you?
-I'm 25 years old.

Okay, so now you're on
the time-sensitive video game,

and somebody, either on purpose
or accidentally

locked the door,
and you think it's Kathleen.

-[Samuel] No, I did not accuse anyone.
-[Judy] Okay.

[Samuel] I just asked was...
who locked me out. "Who locked me out?"

Because I had been locked out
earlier that week.

-Again, earlier by Armando.
-[Judy] Did you...?

Just a second.
Did you have a key to the house?

-Uh, on my...
-No, no, no.

-Did you have...?
-[Samuel] I had a front door key.

Not to the garage door,
not to the sliding door.

But you had a front door key?

Yes, Your Honor.
But there's a gate, there's a big fence.

And I didn't have a key
to the gate that was locked.

You couldn't get into the
house even with your front door key?

-Yes, Your Honor.
-[Judy] Is that what you're telling me?

-Yes, Your Honor.
-[Judy] Okay.

Now, after you had
a conversation with her,

there was no physicality
between the two of you?

Not at that moment.

But once Armando
came around the corner, he was like,

"It was me who locked you out."

-So me and him...
-[Judy] Now, just a second.

-He said, "It was me that locked you out."
-Mm-hmm.

-Did he say he did that on purpose?
-"It was an accident" is what he said.

[Judy] Did he say...? Okay.

So he said, "It was me that
locked you out. It was an accident."

-Mm-hmm. It wasn't...
-[Judy] "Uh-huh" is not...

-Yes, Your Honor.
-[Judy] That's yes.

First, second, I've locked my
children out of the house many times,

sometimes on purpose.

-I'm not his child.
-By accident.

-I'm his roommate.
-[Judy] It doesn't make any difference.

So, he said to you, "It was an accident."

-And you said to him...?
-"It's happened before."

-And he said to you...?
-"Those were accidents also."

[Judy] Okay. And he said,
"Those were accidents also."

-Yes.
-And you said to him...?

I said, you need to be
more attentive, more aware.

If someone had just walked out
and left the door unlocked,

you should probably go
and see if anyone's out there

before you turn around and lock the door.

-And he said...?
-[Samuel] He said he apologized.

[Judy]
Okay. So he said, "I apologize."

-Yes.
-Okay, what's next?

During out the whole conversation,
me and him are... are arguing.

Okay. But at the end,
he said, "I'm sorry."

He said, "I apologize."

It's not so clear cut. It's...

Well, at the end of this back and forth,

"You shouldn't... you
should have been more careful.

You should look to see who's at the door.
You've done it before.

I'm sorry. It was an accident. I
apologize." Now I have an apologize.

-And next...
-In the middle of that altercation,

Kathleen kept butting in.

She said, "You don't talk to me like that.
You don't talk to me like that."

I said, "I wasn't even talking to you.

I'm not talking to you.
I'm talking to Armando."

I said, "Mind your own business."

She said,
"Oh, you don't tell me what to do.

You don't tell me what to do."
I said, "Mind your own business."

She said, "Say that to me one more time."

I said, "Mind your own business."

She walks across the hall
and she slaps me across the face.

And Armando grabs her hand
right after she smacks me.

And instead of retaliating
aggressively or any type of thing,

I call the police.
Immediately call the police.

And while waiting there for the police,

that's when
I get the apology from Armando.

That's when he's like,
"Okay, let's make a deal.

Let's try to work this out
before the police get there."

The police get there.
They asked me what had happened.

And you say... you say that
this older woman slapped you.

-[Samuel] Yeah, across the face.
-Because you were fresh.

Because you were fresh.

-No, because she...
-She shouldn't have put her hands on

and slapped you because you were fresh.

Because you wouldn't be
fresh to me, right?

-"Fresh"?
-[Judy] You're fresh.

That's what you say to a child.

Fresh. You were being fresh.

And she should not
have put her hands on you.

Would I have called the police about that?
Hm. Maybe.

-Except I'm not a child, Your Honor.
-[Judy] But, let me... Just a second.

I'm not a child.
I'm not related to these people.

I just said to you you were being fresh.

-How old are you?
-65.

-How old are you?
-25.

That's fresh.

That's fresh. Because first
you accuse her of locking you out.

-[Samuel] I didn't accuse her.
-That... yeah. Okay.

So after she slapped you,
the police arrived, they left.

She said she slapped you. Yes.

We have marks, you have cuts, you have
bruises, you have abrasions?

-No. They left.
-Mm-hmm.

Well, what did you expect when you
call the police?

Them... for them to arrest her?

What do you want them to do, sir?

-Uh, w-was I supposed to retal...
-[Judy] What did you want...?

-How was I supposed to retaliate?
-What...?

-Just a second.
-Was I supposed to hit her back?

Just a second. No.

-Okay, then what was I supposed to do?
-No!

-I'm not telling you what to do.
-Okay.

I'm just asking you, sir,
did you expect them,

when you called the police,
to arrest Kathleen

because she slapped you?

No, I expected there to be
consequences for her assaulting me.

-What, so what did you think...?
-I don't know what the consequences were.

So what did you think
that they should do?

Whatever they feel was right.

-[Judy] Okay. Okay.
-Whatever is justice.

-Now let's move on.
-[Samuel] Mm-hmm.

-So, now the police are gone and...?
-I go speak to Armando,

ask why he sacrificed his integrity
for lying for Kathleen,

for saying that she didn't slap him,
because he told the police

he witnessed no such event.
He didn't see nothing.

No, he was standing right there,
grabbed her hand.

Kathleen says she didn't do it.

And the police
came up to me before they left,

they said,
"They're telling me something else.

I just straight up...
I just don't believe you."

I was just like,
"Okay, well, what else can I do?"

I go to Armando and I'm like,
"Why would you sacrifice your integrity?

"Why would you lie to the police?

"Why would you let another
roommate physically as*ault me

and just no consequences whatsoever?"

And at that point is, uh, when
I tried to bring my dog inside

and just go straight to my room.

Just a second. So at that time,

after this hot spot is over...

-[Samuel] It got heated again.
-Bup!

-Got heated again.
-[Samuel] Mm-hmm.

Your reaction was... childish!

-And you said, "I'm going to get my dog...
-Mm-hmm.

"...that I was told
not to bring in the house,

and I'm gonna bring my dog in the house."

-I was going to my room.
-[Judy] Just a second!

I don't care if you were going to Pluto.

Your reaction after this was,
"They can't tell me what to do.

I'm going outside and I'm
going to bring my dog inside."

He'll let you bring the dog to the house,
but the dog can't come in

the house, stays outside with his dog.

So, there's only one animal in the house,
and that's Kathleen's house cat.

That's it.

So you went to bring your
dog from outside to in the house?

Yes, Your Honor.

In violation of the agreement
that you had with your landlord,

after the police have come...

I just want you
to realize what's going on.

-Oh, I...
-You know, I'm...

I just want you to realize
that they don't actually keep me here

because I'm five six and gorgeous.

I understand what happened

when you were disappointed
that Kathleen had slapped you

like a child, 'cause you were fresh.

And she's not your mother
and she had no right...

Even your mother doesn't
have a right to put their hands on you.

-Correct.
-But you got slapped, not injured.

No broken jaw, no broken skin.

Police didn't see anything...
because if they did,

they would have
arrested somebody... and they left.

And you were royally miffed.

Because you got locked out of the house,

for which he apologized,
you missed your time-sensitive video game.

Now, I'm not sure what that is,
because I'm not a 25-year-old idiot

that plays video games
during the day.

[sighs]

[narrator] Armando Rodriguez
is accusing his former roommate,

Samuel Gastalum,

of breaking the rental agreement
and assaulting him.

Samuel claims he was falsely
arrested after Armando lied to the police.

Now, several things
that happened that day, right?

You got locked out and you were
playing a time-sensitive video game.

Yes, Your Honor.

And because
you got locked out of the house,

for which he apologized,
you missed your time-sensitive video game.

Now, I'm not sure what that is,
because I'm not a 25-year-old idiot

that plays video games
during the day.

When I was 25 years old,
I actually worked.

-Mm.
-I did. I actually worked.

I know that may seem foreign to you,
but I did actually work.

And so, after all of this
altercation took place,

he said, "Now I'm gonna show them.

Now I'm going to bring
my dog into the house."

And then there was another altercation.

-Second one.
-[Samuel] Yes. Yeah.

That's the one we're talking about.

Either way. Maybe I'm being
terribly unkind to you, sir.

How do you support yourself?

-I work.
-[Judy] For whom?

Pretty foreign, I know.

-For whom?
-I'm a cultivator.

-You work five days a week?
-[Samuel] Yes, Your Honor.

-In my free time,
-[Judy] What do you cultivate?

-I like to play video games.
-What do you... what do you cultivate?

Marijuana. Cannabis.

How long have you worked for them?

Since March...
so, about five months.

Prior to that, you were in Alaska.

Prior to January, I was in Alaska.

And before March,
before getting a job

at the cultivation facility for cannabis,

I was, uh, helping
my uncles do concrete.

So, working isn't very
foreign to me, as you might see.

Prior to March, you were working
with your uncles in concrete.

-Yes, Your Honor.
-Where?

In Victorville. In California.

-You were working...
-[Samuel] I...I had...

You were working for your uncle

prior to March,
getting a job as a cultivator.

And what I want to know is
how long have you been separated

from your emotional support dog.

I spent four months away from him.

And those four months
were from January to April.

-I found a new job.
-January, February, March, April.

And what were you doing in Alaska?

I was born and raised in Alaska.

No, no, Alaska is not a born...
that's not a job, sir.

What were you doing in Alaska?

I was for the last six months of
my time in Alaska,

I was a budtender.

Okay. Tell me what
happened after the dog incident.

Well, the dog comes in.

He says that he's not going
to follow house rules anymore.

He said that as of right now,
he's going to do what he wants to do.

So, he just gets the dog
from the backyard,

and he comes inside the house.

And I feel that it's my responsibility to
enforce the house rules,

so I physically grab his dog,

and I move the dog from
inside the house to the backyard.

That happens once.

He gets the dog,

and then he physically puts him
back in the house.

-Where in the house?
-[Armando] This is...

you can see the kitchen area.

So, now I basically attempt
to repeat what I did the first time.

So, I physically grabbed the dog
a second time,

and I'm now physically taking them out,

at which point, he gets from behind me,

and he puts me into a chokehold,
and I black out.

I come to. I look for my phone.

I find my phone. Dial 911.

Police show up, like,
in maybe two or three minutes,

and I'm still trying to get...

And that's the as*ault
that you are referring to today.

Did the EMS check you out?

I was taken to the hospital.

May I see the report?

Yeah, I got a report and the...

-The bills associated with them.
-Okay.

Was Kathleen a witness to this?

-[Armando] She saw... she saw...
-No, don't tell me what she saw.

-Was she a witness any part of that?
-Yeah.

-It'll be a yes or a no.
-Yeah.

-Okay. Would you step up, please?

Tell me at what point you came
in on this altercation.

When they were arguing about the dog.

The first time or the second time?
Or you don't know whether...?

I...I don't really know.

Were you a witness to any
of the physical confrontation

that resulted in
Mr. Rodriguez going to the hospital?

-I knew that they...
-Don't tell me what you knew.

-Okay.
-What you saw.

Okay. What I saw was Armando
trying to put the dog back outside,

because he's a big pit bull, right?

And then he would put them out,

and then, um,
Samuel would bring him back in.

And then the last time,
Armando was putting him back outside,

and Samuel came behind Armando.

And what I did was I left and went
and called the police,

because I was afraid
he was going to get hurt.

All right, sir,
now tell me your version of those events.

Could I show her
statement from the previous court?

No, I want you to first tell me
your version of the event.

[Samuel] So, I let Apollo inside.

My dog's name is Apollo, and...

he's going to grab Apollo to let him out.

And we're both kind of grabbing Apollo.

Pulling him, trying to...

we're both kind of
fighting over him a little bit.

As I'm pulling him inside more,
Armando, uh, starts grabbing me.

And so we get into this altercation,
and we're, like, wrestling back and forth.

He... Just a second.
He's trying to get your pit bull outside,

and at the same time, he's grabbing you?
Is that...?

No, it was... we're both grabbing the dog.

[Judy]
So you were trying to keep the dog inside,

and he was trying to put the dog out.

[Samuel] I was trying to
get to my room, yes. Take him...

You were trying to take him to your room.
He was trying to put him outside.

-[Samuel] Yes.
-And...?

As we're both kind of
fighting for the dog, he grabs me.

He lets go of the dog and then grabs me.

[Judy]
How did he grab you?

He grabs me by the arm,

and then he, like,
starts tugging a little bit.

And so we're wrestling.

We just start wrestling,
and it gets a little bit more violent.

And I go to restrain him,
and he's, uh, he's hitting me.

He's hitting me from the...
with his arms.

He's trying to scratch me.

And I just restrained him
until I felt not threatened no more.

I released him. I get up. I grab my dog.

-I go to the room, I call the police.
-[Judy] Mm-hmm.

Do you have your medical records that day?

They would not take me. They didn't...

[stammers] Not they would not take you.

Do you have your
medical records for that day?

I have my arrest report
that says apparently... they didn't.

-[Judy] May I see the arrest report?
-They... they refused to take pictures.

Don't tell me what they didn't do.
I could read.

[sighs]

-Do you have medical insurance, sir?
-No.

None. So, you had
an emergency room CT scan

that was $8,640.62.

The other bill for that day
was for radiology,

which was $518.

This is the emergency room,
which was $1,109.

Okay, that takes us over
this court's limit jurisdictionally.

Now, you, sir, subsequently

had a hearing with regard to this case.

-Is that correct?
-Yes.

-Did you testify, sir?
-Yes, Your Honor.

-[Judy] Did you testify, sir?
-I did.

At the end of that hearing, was
there a restraining order granted or not?

-It was granted.
-For how long? Do you have a copy of that?

I have a copy. It was a year.

So a judge like me,
probably not as good looking.

[chuckles]

After hearing, so I don't have to hear it,
all of the evidence,

the judge found that there was more
evidence than not that you assaulted

the plaintiff and granted the plaintiff
an order of protection for one year.

After that happened,
you were still in the house.

After the as*ault or after the hearing?

After the as*ault.

After the as*ault, I was arrested and...

[Judy]
And then you came back to the house?

-Yes, Your Honor.
-That's what I asked.

You were still in the house,
but you're no longer in the house.

-No.
-[Judy] Judgment for the plaintiff

in the amount of $10,000.

We're finished here. Thank you.

[bailiff] This court is adjourned.

He's a liar, and I told the truth,
and I won the case.

I didn't aggressively attack him.

That was the rules that I... I had set.
My dogs don't even come in the house.

I defended myself and my dog.

I think there was some
genuine confusion

on the defendant's behalf
about the term "fresh."

When I said to him,
"You were fresh to an older person"?

Exactly. You know, he had a little bit
of an attitude,

a little young g*n attitude,
and the older woman did not appreciate it.

So, I am very familiar
with the term fresh,

but I think he was a little confused.

But 100% fits the definition of fresh.

It was interesting.

The other thing was I didn't seem
appalled at the fact

that he was doing
time-sensitive video games...

-[chuckles]
-[Judy] because I actually understand that

-from some of our...
-Yeah.

-...grandchildren.
-The game is very serious.

Very serious.

I could see how missing out
on a time-sensitive game

could raise an even heated moment
even hotter.

Especially someone who needs
an emotional support pit bull.

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