02x03 - No Justice?

[bunniefuu]

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ASHLEY: The detective
told me that there

were over 100 videos
of our daughter Avaya

in my husband Jason's
iCloud account.

He's recording up her shirt.

Jason was somebody she...

called Dad.

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AVAYA:
My stomach just dropped.

I literally felt so betrayed.

She didn't feel safe anymore.

She went to stay
with her biological dad,

who was battling
substance use.

But she couldn't come home.

I was afraid I was
going to lose her.

- Jason's sentencing hearing
is one that will always

really kind of stick with me.

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- I was terrified that he
would manipulate Ashley

into letting him come home.

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- Jason was originally charged
with 10 counts

of sexual exploitation of
a minor, which is a felony,

and two counts of voyeurism
for secretly filming Avaya.

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- When Jason did
what he did...

The neighborhood kids
no longer wanted to come over.

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Or when I would see
somebody in a public place

that I knew...

they saw me and turned around
and walked out of the store.

All of those things, like,

brought back some really
big insecurities within me.

- We all try to present,
like, a really great image,

but we all have
underlying things

that we might not be
dealing with.

And when they come out, there's
a lot of shame that comes up.

It's really hard when
something like this happens

and you're being
judged by other people.

- Ashley, this caused her
to question everything

about herself.

She withdrew.

- She didn't want to go
to the grocery store.

She didn't want to function.

- The second week
he was in jail,

I had to go see him.

So I made my way down
with the lawyer,

and we began conversations.

Before Jason was arrested,
he was prescribed Prozac

to help with his depression,

and he would take Adderall
for his ADD.

So he'd created this story
in his head.

"I'm off all that medication.

"I feel so much better now.

"My head's so clear.
I feel great.

You saved my life."

So I'm like, okay, so he's
taking this medication

that made him have
a nervous breakdown

or a psychotic break
of some sort.

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And because of the medication,

when the choice came to whether
he was going to escalate

whatever type of p*rn*graphy
he was looking at,

he was like, hey, why not?

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JESSICA: I mean, it's normal
when something really bad

happens to try to believe
any story or cover for them

or minimize it, because
the truth around this story

is just devastating.

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ASHLEY: And so I started
letting him call.

My youngest child
didn't understand.

Jason is
her biological father.

She was so little.

She wasn't even
eight years old.

And she just didn't understand
why he was in time-out.

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That's how I explained it.

I said, Dad made
a really bad choice.

And when you make a really bad
choice, there's a consequence,

and his consequence is
time-out for adults.

However...

Avaya and my son
wouldn't speak to him.

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- Olivia really wanted to hear
from him really bad.

It was really sad watching her

trying to understand
everything at first.

It was really, really sad...

because he
doesn't deserve to have her.

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- When Avaya quit
coming home...

it dawned on me

that she didn't feel safe
in her own room.

And for whatever reason,
her biological dad, Matt,

and his uncertainty
made her feel safer

than being
around me in my home.

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AVAYA: I had put a mattress
next to his bed on the floor.

For, like, three months
straight, I slept there,

right next to my dad
every single night.

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I felt bad for moving out,
in a way.

I kind of felt like
I just, like,

left my mom and my brother
and Olivia.

But my mom had so many
other things to worry about.

It was really
frustrating for me,

and I just felt safe
next to my dad.

- We'd spent every day
of her life with her,

and she couldn't
stand to be around us.

I cried every single day.

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I missed her.

But I had to just
be okay with it.

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- It didn't seem like it was
a very stable environment,

but it's what she
needed at the time.

ANDREA: Once Jason was
put in county jail,

he tried to communicate
with Ashley and the kids,

and he did that
through letters.

- So these letters were sent
within weeks

of him first
being arrested and charged.

What did he say to you?

ASHLEY: "If you give me
a chance, Ash,

"I will fix my mistakes.

"I know that person
was not the real me.

"I'll do anything to spend
the rest of my life with you

"and showing you
the man that I am

"and the man that I can be
through my actions.

I hope you all can forgive me."

- What he did is
such a violation

and so deep and intense.

And I don't...

This letter
doesn't represent that.

ASHLEY:
No.

ANDREA:
Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's like he...

I don't know--
like, got a DUI or--

I mean, which is not--

I mean, I'm not saying that
that's not terrible.

- ANDREA: Mm-hmm.
- But it's--

it's almost like he

just got put in time-out
for a minute.

Avaya's letter.

- Do you mind if I read it?
- Yeah.

Oof.

"Avaya...

"hey, V. I miss you
and my family so much.

"I'm so sorry for all
the stupid things I have done

"to end up here in jail.

"I'm feeling a lot better now,
and my mind is a lot clearer.

"You are a beautiful, strong,
independent, smart, talented,

"and creative young woman.

"Make sure you never let anyone
treat you like an object.

"I miss you so much, V.

Love, Dad."

I have a hard time with
the fact that in this letter,

he's writing
that she's beautiful...

and has, like, the capacity

to talk about anyone
treating her like an object,

because that's
exactly what he did.

ASHLEY:
In all of the letters,

there's a tone of...

"I'll be better.

"When I get out,
I'll be, like, the husband

"that you want me to be or the
father that I should have been.

I'm going to make
this up to you."

[sighs]

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- I didn't want to read them.
I told my mom.

I was like, throw them away.
Burn them.

Like, I don't give a sh*t.

That's sick.

Why are you writing me
after you know

you literally
just destroyed me?

Give me my space.

But he couldn't because those
letters and those apologies

were to make him feel better.

He's really manipulative.

He's one of those
kinds of people

that will literally
say anything

to make you believe him.

ASHLEY:
I wanted to believe it.

I wanted to believe
he's been sick,

and he's going to get better,
because I wanted my life back,

give the kids their life back.

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- After Jason gets arrested,
Jason spent 30 days in jail.

ASHLEY:
So he spends 30 days in jail

but then is released
on pretrial

so he can prepare
with his lawyer.

ANDREA:
When Jason was released,

he went and lived with
his grandfather.

And there were stipulations,
obviously,

for him being out of jail--
no Internet and no smartphone.

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- When he got out,
it terrified me--

terrified me for my own family

but for Ashley
and for the kids.

He's out there.

Is he going to manipulate
the situation

and work his way back in?

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- After we found out Jason
was getting released,

it was just kind of
a stressful time.

I know how
the whole law works.

It's not like you can just

immediately put someone
in jail forever.

They have to go through
a trial and all those things.

But what's going
to happen with Ashley?

I mean, she was upset.

But she was also, like,
trying to help him.

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ASHLEY: I spend
the next month of my life

between Jason's
grandpa's house

and at my house
with my children.

I went right back
into wifey mode.

I took him all the clothes
that he needed,

and I'd cook him dinner,

and we were studying
the Bible together.

It felt happy and good.

And I wanted to...

go back to the way life was.

CATHIE: I was like,
what the hell are you doing?

She said, please just
let me figure this out

and work through it, and don't
say anything to me right now.

And I just said, okay.

MARANDA: Vaya was stressed out
about that whole thing.

She didn't want to see him.

She didn't want to
have to run into him.

I just was worried about her

and how, you know,
she was going to feel.

AVAYA: I didn't know
how to feel about that.

I understood, like,
where she was coming from.

Like, I wanted that life
back, too, like,

but she's still
going to leave him.

Like, that was, like,
my thought in my head.

Like, she's still
going to leave him.

Like, he's not going to
come back in our life.

He's not going to be my dad.

ASHLEY: There was always this
underlying question I had.

And I asked him, why did
you have so many photos?

And his response was, well,
they were just a collection.

I never looked at them.

My brain was so f*cked up that
I just collected these photos.

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- It is really hard
to confront something

when we know our whole reality

is going to fall apart,
consciously,

but also subconsciously.

ASHLEY:
So I asked him, you know,

why did you record Avaya?

And he said, well, I was
trying to catch her smoking

or catch her being
inappropriate with boys,

and I wanted to have
evidence to show you.

I was like, oh, okay,
that makes sense.

You were just, like,
trying to catch her

being a shitty teenager.

I mean, it's still weird
as sh*t, but I was like, okay.

He was recording her
all the time

and just happened to get her

in these compromised positions
a couple of times.

Like, that's what
made sense to me,

because there was no way
that he was...

looking at our daughter
in a sexual manner

because that doesn't
even compute.

CATHIE: She was trying
to process it all

and not really realizing,

I don't think, the magnitude
of what he's done

or the impact it was
putting on Avaya, you know,

that she was talking to him,

'cause we were like,
what is happening?

What is she doing?

- He told me that his lawyer
had handed him

the evidence investigation,

but I realized
that he'd been distracting me,

like, when I'd ask for it.

ANDREA: He would say,
you don't need to look at it.

Like, you know everything.

You see all
the police documents.

You don't need to look
at the discovery paperwork.

ASHLEY: And then I remember,
one day finally looked at him,

and I was like, f*cking stop.

Like, I realized he did not
want me to see the report.

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And when I read the report...

you know,
like, I'd see these words--

"undress," "breasts."

And I was like,
what the f*ck is this?

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Every single video of Avaya

was her in those
compromising positions.

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- Everything that, like, he
said he was doing at that time

was a lie.

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The fact that he would say he
was going out in the backyard

using his stargazing app...

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When really he was walking over
to Avaya's window...

and he was in the dark

and taking videos of her.

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It's an anger feeling.

It's a pitiful,
sorry feeling for him

that he's sick like that,
you know?

- You knowingly
and willingly

chose to take photos and videos

of your own child.

He knew what he was doing

every time he did it.

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- And when I asked him
why he lied to me,

he told me,
I didn't lie to you.

You came up with this story

that I was recording Avaya
doing everything,

and I just didn't tell you.

I just let you believe
what you thought.

That was when my rose-colored
glasses came off,

and I was like,
what the f*ck am I doing?

And, like, instantly,
I thought of my children.

And I thought of Avaya.

Like, how did I do that to her?

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Thinking about it now
and knowing what I know now,

that was just
a really desperate attempt

to not lose my life.

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JESSICA: So many people,
and often people

who struggle with some
childhood trauma, like Ashley,

live in relationships
where they have a sense

that something's wrong,

but they don't address it
until they're pushed to a limit

in which they need
to address it.

So the fact that she didn't
address it for a while

makes so much sense,
given how she's adapted

to survive in her life.

- It was time to quit
pressing pause on our lives.

It was time to be there
for the children.

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It was time for us to have
whatever influence we could

on the court system.

And it was time for me
to fight for Avaya,

and it was time for me to fight

for all those little girls
in those photos.

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ASHLEY: There was a year
process in between when

Jason was released from
his first 30 days in jail

to his hearing.

In that year, we went
through three prosecutors.

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There's a lot of wheels
and deals going on.

And so we heard Jason was
going to plead guilty

so we don't have
to go to trial.

- Sam Sutton, who's
the prosecuting attorney,

was fairly confident
this would eventually lead

to a hands-on offense.

- Not every person
that consumes CSAM

leads to a hands-on offense,

but the prosecutors
felt very certain

that it was trending
in that direction

leading up to sentencing day.

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ASHLEY: Today we are
at the courthouse building.

This is where Jason
was sentenced.

On that day of sentencing,

it was the first time
I'd ever met Sam Sutton,

the state prosecutor.

And he came in, g*ns a-blazing.

He was like,
we're going to do this.

We're going to do this.

It looks like there was a level
of escalation on Jason's part,

going from photos
to filming Avaya,

and so we're going to go
for this prison sentence,

because he's a danger.

But before our time
in front of the judge,

Sam Sutton went and spoke
with Jason's attorney,

and that's when he found out
that there was a deal made.

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He was originally charged

with ten counts

of sexual exploitation
of a minor

and two counts of voyeurism.

But one of the prosecutors
had struck up a deal

to have Jason plead guilty

to two counts of sexual
exploitation of a minor

and one count of voyeurism.

And that was a surprise.

ASHLEY: Although I could
tell them my opinion on it

and what I think
should happen,

ultimately, that choice
was going to go in whatever

was in the best
interest of the state.

And I felt like we were
being silenced,

like we weren't being
listened to.

ASHLEY: I had told Sam Sutton,
our prosecutor,

that we wanted to speak.

I wanted to speak my piece

because I knew
that we had that right.

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SINGER:
♪ All alone ♪

- I wasn't sure if Avaya was
even going to come to court.

I didn't know
if it was even appropriate

for her to come to court
to be in the same room

with her perpetrator,

aka her father who raised her.

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Get off! Oh, oh!
[laughter]

But I let her decide.

That morning, she looked at me
and said, I'm f*cking going.

- I was like,
am I allowed to say, like,

my piece, like,
what he did to me?

My mom was like, yeah,
of course, you totally can,



ASHLEY:
I was so scared.

But I was ready.

I wasn't going to
let anyone stop her.

- I looked Jason
directly in the eyes.

I was so scared.
I was so scared.

But I remember, like,
walking up to that booth,

knowing that I literally
had to do it.

I had to speak up there.

SINGER:
♪ All alone ♪

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AVAYA: When I was walking
to the stand,

I remember seeing him
whimpering and crying, like--

almost, like, shaking in
his own body, freaking out.

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I don't want him
to see my shape.

I don't want him
to see my body.

I don't want him
to even be able

to see any inch of my skin.

- She did not
want Jason to have

anything to even think about.

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When I was talking, I was
looking directly at the judge.

I wanted her to know
that I was talking to her.

I wanted her to believe me.

Like, you guys may think
that he's this,

like, cool football dad.

This is his only first charge,
whatever.

No, he's a piece of sh*t, dude.

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I wanted him to hear
the hurt in my voice.

I wanted him to feel that pain.

That was me, like, saying,
like, you know what?

Bye, dude.

Like, that was the last
you'll ever hear my voice.

That is the last
you'll ever hear from me.

ASHLEY: She got up there
and faced Judge Mettler

like Avaya was a giant

and the rest of us were peons
looking up at her.

I knew he was just faking.

Like, that was just
a big, fake cry.

It was just a big lie,

is what that cry was.

He said what he felt...

would get him
a lighter sentence.

It was utter bullshit.

ASHLEY: She was doing
what was allowed

based on the plea deals
that were made.

And he was only given
a year at a county jail,

not even at a prison.

I was pissed.

I was shocked.

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First-time offenders,
whatever.

Because he had a clean record,
doesn't take away the fact

that he took pictures
of my granddaughter.

And how many other thousands of
pictures he had on his phone--

hopefully, because of all this
and we keep doing this,

they're going to find
a way to, you know,

make someone pay the price.

SETE:
My job is to investigate

crimes against children
that happen over the Internet.

And so, seeing that kind of
sentence for an offender,

it's a blow to me
as an investigator.

It's also a blow to me
as a father.

That's the consequence
that someone gets

for viewing this type
of material?

That's all you're going
to give them?

Yeah, that's terrible.

AVAYA: Yeah, it was like
a slap on the wrist.

I wanted him to do prison time.

Prison is where he belongs.

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ASHLEY:
I was so angry.

This was really
the way it was going to be.

And I just had to deal with it.

And there was nothing
I could do about it.

SETE: The lack of education
amongst our decision makers

in terms of CSAM is...

is what's hurting us.

There's that disconnect

with understanding
it's not p*rn*graphy.

It's not just pictures.

Those kids behind there,
they're real.

MARANDA:
I mean, he's not the only one.

There's a lot of things
like this happening

all over the place.

- For the year 2023,
over 45 million CSAM cases

have been reported
across the country.

I don't think
we can really pin down

why people choose to consume

child sexual abuse material.

The common perception
of someone involved in CSAM

is probably a single male

living in
Mom and Dad's basement,

but it can be a teacher,

a CEO, a police officer.

There's no one...

type of offender.

LAURA:
It does seem like the law

is on the side
of the perpetrator,

because not only do they
have really short sentences,

but then they get out,

and they're in a system
that basically protects

their rights at the expense
of other people's rights.

I was scared...

because
I realized that it's only

a matter of time
until Jason's released...

And right back into

my life.

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[soft music]

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- Two or three months
after Jason was sentenced,

Avaya started coming home more,
coming to dinners, stopping by.

- I remember my mom called me,
and she's like, your brother,

he wants his sister,
he wants his sister,

and that's all
he keeps asking for.

You need to come.
I was like, okay.

So I came upstairs,
and I just looked at him,

and I was like, dude.

And he just started screaming.

And I was like, come here,
and I just gave him a big hug.

And we all just sat there and
just sobbed for, like, hours.

- She stayed one night,
stayed two,

and then slowly moved back in.

And I remember being
in Utah at that time.

And I just remember seeing
Ashley, being like, she's home,

and that meaning
so much to her.

ASHLEY: But he only ended up
serving ten months

of that year
for good behavior.

So in the months to follow,

Jason's released.

- After everything
had happened,

Jason was still in
the same neighborhood as us.

I'd seen him drive, like,
past me, like, three times.

Every time I'd see him drive
past me, I would have to,

like, pull over
because I would be,

like, hyperventilating,
like, shaking.

Like, I would literally,
like, stop and be, like,

freaking out.

- Avaya should not have
to even consider

that she may at some point
run into him.

She is being victimized
over and over and over again.

JESSICA: It's really scary
that Jason only served

a short period of time
and he's out.

And he has so much more freedom
than we would like,

because these types of crimes
take a long time

to heal and change.

And he needs a lot of help
before, you know,

he should be set free.

ANNA: Ashley, you know,
was going to church a lot.

She joined this group,
kind of like a recovery group.

When he got out, he started
going to her church.

And then he started
going to that same group--

not at the same time,
but he was still a part of it.

She continued going,

and there was a session
that she sat in on.

And they read a letter
that he sent from jail

to all his brothers
and sisters,

and they read it out loud
in front of her

and were, like,
celebrating him.

And it really makes me wonder

if they knew
exactly what he did.

He, like, took that
sanctuary away from her.

He never went with them to
church before he got arrested.

So the fact that he did it
after and, you know,

started saying, like,
he's found God and the Gospel

and he's a better man, it just
seemed like bullshit to me.

He can put on a good show.

If he thinks that God's going
to save him, good for him.

But...
[chuckles]

He's got a long ways to go
if he's going to do that.

Here's the thing.

People like Jason--

we can't just lock up
and throw away the key

or do whatever the hell
we think we need to do

with pedophiles,

because until the perpetrators
really want that change

or want to figure out
what it is

that makes them want to look
at child sexual abuse material

or abuse a child, they're
not going to get better.

ANDREA:
Ashley is in a situation

where she faces the next phase
of this, which is divorce.

And what was
so eye-opening to me was that

criminal court and family court
are two separate things.

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LAURA:
In this instance,

Jason did
all these ill*gal things.

He caused the destruction
of the family.

He caused the whole life
to be disrupted.

And yet he still under the law

is entitled to a certain
percentage of their assets.

ASHLEY:
Half of everything--

my pension,
half my retirement,

half the value of Avaya's car
that I bought her.

And he believes
that he's entitled to it.

- There's a risk that she's
going to lose the house

and have to sell it to pay him
out his portion of the equity.

- In addition to that,
he was granted

supervised visits with
our youngest daughter.

LAURA: It's clear that
he's a risk to his daughter.

But even though a parent has
done something to one child,

the court systems
don't automatically assume

that that necessarily creates
a risk to another child.

The law requires
high standards

to stop contact between
a parent and a child.

And that goes back to kind of
our constitutional law

that tends to treat children
as though they're property.

And in this instance,

where there weren't
actual sexual acts going on--

and I hate to say
"just voyeurism,"

because it's still terrible--

but that doesn't necessarily
for a judge mean

that he's going to be a risk
to his children in the future.

- Ultimately,
Jason's going to want

to have unsupervised visits
with his biological daughter.

Not only does Jason want that,

but the state of Utah
also wants that for Jason.

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LAURA: The reunification laws
in Utah

basically tell courts that
they have to create a plan

to allow a parent to transition
off of supervised visits

to unsupervised visits.

EMMY: So, after
three months of treatment,

he's "cured" enough

that he's safe to be
around these children again.

And is it going to be
another three months

of sex offender treatment

and suddenly he gets
unsupervised visits

with his daughter?

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ANNA: I mean, when you
think about the fact

that Olivia is at
the age of the girls

that he saved photos of...

and he gets to see her,

and there's a chance
that he'll be granted

sleepover privileges--

how is that acceptable?

I know he's the father,
but the crime that he committed

was against children, so he
shouldn't be around children.

It seems pretty
straightforward to me.

- From my perspective, like,
this case should be easy.

Ashley should get custody.
She should get the house.

There should be
no visitation, period.

And the fact it becomes all
about protecting his rights

and what he's entitled to,

it's hard to watch
Ashley going through it,

because you want it
to just end for her.

ASHLEY: I've realized
through this whole thing

that I have to put protections
in place to protect my child.

And by doing that, I have to
have really tough conversations

with a ten-year-old.

I've told her...

if something feels weird,
then it's probably weird.

She comes to me and asks me
if what she's wearing

is appropriate
to be around him.

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- Ashley called me up just
bawling about that one day.

She's only ten years old.

If your kid came up and said,
am I dressed appropriately...

[voice breaking]
To see my father?

Holy sh*t.

- Because although she doesn't
really understand...

like, what's happened,

she knows that there is...

a guard that she has
to have up with him...

to keep herself safe,
because I can't.

There's nothing in place
for me to do that.

And that's what scares me about
our criminal justice system.

There has to be
a different system.

There has to be a better way.

♪ ♪

[dramatic music]

♪ ♪

ANDREA: After the podcast,
we got so many emails

just from people relating
to Ashley's story,

victims
of sexual violence, abuse.

It's been really incredible
to watch.

- So many people have
told me the same things

are happening to them.

Their husbands have been
arrested for the same thing.

And they're going
through the same thing

that I'm going through.

How are you?

- I knew
that he had re-offended...

but I had no idea about him
getting supervised visits.

Wow.

- Yeah, I was telling
Andrea today that

Jason was approved
for a smartphone.

And he's still

in his court-appointed,
like, sex offender treatment.

You and I both are...

like, essentially fighting
that same fight right now.

[somber music]

♪ ♪

ANDREA:
This view is incredible.

ASHLEY:
Yeah.

ANDREA: Thank you
for bringing me here.

- We live in a very
beautiful place.

Sometimes the beauty masks
what really is going on.

So...

don't let it fool you.

- It's so important
that we start talking

about these things.

Many people listening
might have a "perfect life"

but an underlying feeling
that something's off.

And so we need to start
paying attention

because these types of crimes
are happening

right under our nose
and in every demographic

and every neighborhood.

AVAYA:
Since this podcast came out,

I had so many people, like,
reaching out to me.

We connected.
We understood each other.

Like, we knew that feeling.

It was really cool,
and it was really empowering

to know that, like, something
that, like, I did or my mom did

could empower someone so much
to even talk about it

or even bring it
to the surface.

ANDREA:
Our goal was,

if we can make one person
feel less alone

and they are able to grow
and to heal, we did our jobs.

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AVAYA: I'm doing, like,
part-time working,

and I'm doing part-time school.

And I've made
so many new friends.

I got a puppy.

It's really, really cool
to see myself change and grow.

ASHLEY:
The podcast allowed her to

have a voice that she needed.

All of a sudden, like,
it wasn't scary

to do things
that we used to do,

like, be around, like,
other men.

♪ ♪

AVAYA: Now I don't even
worry about it.

Like, I'm like,
if I see him, I see him.

But there's not something
that you could even do

to make this feeling ever
go away in your life, ever.

- Their family
is still recovering.

But when you hear
how Jason is doing--

he's found God.

He's good.

He gets a fresh start.

We don't get
a f*cking fresh start.

- They don't have the privilege
or the opportunity

to pretend like
it didn't happen.

This is their reality
day in and day out.

♪ ♪

ASHLEY:
He's not there

when Avaya is having
a panic attack

or when our youngest daughter

is having the worst
temper tantrum of her life.

He doesn't have to see

the consequences
of his actions.

Justice won't ever come
from Jason

for these kids and I.

[empowering music]

Justice for us will be
my kids succeeding

and being amazing

on their new path
that they're on

and knowing that they did it
without him.

♪ ♪

That's our justice.

♪ ♪