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02x01 - Jason Isbell: Running with Our Eyes Closed

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02x01 - Jason Isbell: Running with Our Eyes Closed

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Jason Isbell is one of
those songwriters

that makes you feel like

you know him and he knows you.

This film is a document

of some of the most personal songs

that Jason Isbell has ever written.

And I wanted to discover

where the life and the art connected.

For Sam's camera to work...

we gotta go back to about right here.

But I don't like that as much

so I'm gonna move Sam's camera
back a little bit.

That good?

I think so.

We are recording.

I forgot to ask you
what key it was in.

It's in E.

- Let's start the...
- I started doing it in A.

- Start the recordings over.
- Okay.

Where's...

We did it one more time
the last time through.

sh*t. Let's start the recording over.

- Ready?
- Wait. No.

Now it's saving or something.

- Okay, now.
- One...

two...

Do it again?

- The beginning.
- I liked that intro.

- Oh, I'm sorry.
- You didn't like it?

- I'm sorry.
- Okay.

- I thought you missed it.
- I didn't. Okay.

One, two, three, two. Three...

- Good morning.
- Hey, how are you?

Good.

- Morning, Sadler.
- What's up, man?

- How are you?
- Good.

- Good to see you, bud.
- Good to see you.

- What's up, Darrell?
- Hey, I know you.

There's really no more
intrinsic value to making a record

than there is to writing
in your journal

when you're 15 years old, you know?

It's really for the same purpose.

There's something that we have to say

and in the process of figuring out
how to say that

we learn who we are.

But I need to move forward
as a person

through this work.

For me to do that

I have to come to terms with things

that don't make me look cool

or don't paint me in the best light
or don't, you know

promote an idea I have

of controlling my own image
because...

I think controlling your image

is the opposite of creating art.

My songs are things
that are under the surface

of my own mind

things that I'm dealing with
and working through.

But the trick for me

is to make a rock and roll record

about all these things

because you don't really want people
to feel like they're singing along

with some sort
of a self-help catalog.

- That sounds good.
- Really cool.

She sent me a message today.
Let's see.

I love you so much

and how much music
are you gonna make?


Hello, Mercy.

We are going to make an album

which is nine or ten songs.

And so it's like

about...

45 minutes long.

And then she said,
to all that, she said...

That sounds great.

She's so funny, man.

Took forever to get you to trust me

Like I was feeding a bird
From my hand


And if this isn't love
Then it must be


Another answer I don't understand

To a prayer that was please
And not thank you


To a question I wrote in the sand

To a wish that I made on a satellite

From a witness in tears on the stand

Running with our eyes closed

Running with our eyes closed

Well, you are who you are
When you're angry


When you're scared or you're sad
Or you're bored


When a stranger has slipped you
A room key


In a hotel you couldn't afford

We can never go back and be strangers

All our secrets are mixed
And distilled


But you've taught me
To temper my anger


And you've learned it's all right
To be still


Running with our eyes closed

It's f*cking unbelievable.

- Unbelievable.
- Thank you.

Play me that change

from just the last chord
to the bridge.

- We're running with our eyes closed
- One, two.

Two.

Prior to Jason

any recording I've done

there would always be
weeks of rehearsal.

This was kind
of a new territory for me

where he brings in the song
the day of.

You don't know the song

you write your number chart out.

Then you're sort of off to the races
and coming up with parts

and trying to lay it down.

Running with our eyes closed

It's ridiculously hard and
the stupidest part of recording.

Can't practice it
because Dave doesn't like a demo.

And then if I mess up

somebody's gonna wanna try
to keep that probably.

I don't... It's just really scary.

This might be a weird suggestion.

I like your weird suggestions.

What if you play it acoustic
going down

then we take time
with the electric sound?

- That's good with me.
- Because it's such a cool part

I don't wanna dig, just run past it.

- Yeah. The riff is a hook.
- You know what I mean?

- It's a hook and a half.
- Yeah.

Amanda has heard the songs

but that's different, you know?

That's a different kind
of collaboration.

Like, I still don't
really think of it

as she's in the band.

I need her to do different things

and I think she needs to have
a different role.

Did you write "to?"

"A stranger slips you a room key

to a hotel room you can't afford."

- But I think that you are...
- But there's no slipping one

with inside the room key even when...

Yeah, there is.
If you're at the hotel bar

and the stranger is trying
to pick you up

they would slip you a key
in the hotel.

No, but you're...

I've already went, like,
through this in my brain

- about a dozen times.
- Well, this will just be

permanently disagreed with

because it sounds like
when you're on, like, you're reading

that you're in the room,
slipping the key.

- This has already happened.
- How about...

- How about "for?"
- Past.

- "For," for is fine.
- Or...

Or we just leave the article off
and say...

When a stranger has slipped you
A room key


On a hotel room
You couldn't afford...


Or... see, I've already said
room, though.

That was my problem.

I didn't want to use the room again
that quickly.

- Do whatever you want.
- No. I'm...

- It's not going to be a big deal.
- I'm not making...

I'm really, like, just discussing it.

Why don't you just make up a word?

You're talking about it in the past

so it's like "in" is not helpful.

I feel like "in" and "to"
are in the same tense.

"When a stranger
has slipped you a room key."

- Yeah, so you're in the present...
- And see, you're moving

- tenses within...
- You're in the present participle.

- Who is?
- Because the person...

the people who are existing here
are in the present participle tense

which means that
they're existing in the now

- No. But...
- but discussing something

that's happened in the past.

No, okay. But see, then...

then you're mixing up
all this in this middle.

Just sing whatever you want
and then think about it later.

No, I want to get it right. That's...

Then put "to."

I feel like if I put "to"

it's gonna read like
you're getting the key

to the entire hotel.

- Don't you think?
- To...

- I see what you mean.
- You know?

You know,
Amanda has a master's degree

in creative writing.

She gets in there with her pen
and gives him honest feedback.

She's the only one that
hears anything

before they go into the studio.

I mean, you could also say...

And a stranger has slipped you
A room key


For a room...

To a room you could never afford

- See? I like that.
- That's better. "To" a room, yeah.

"To a room."

Once the songs get past her,
nobody scares me.

Nobody. I don't give a sh*t.

I know it's right.

Part of the reason why he trusts me

is because I can't suffer a bad song

or like, a cliched lyric

unless it's turned a little bit.

It works. It's hard.
It's a hard thing to do.

You have to let go of your ego.

If I was making people dance

I wouldn't just sit there
and waste my time

on prepositions.

But they are not out there dancing.

I gotta get those prepositions right.

Yeah, beautiful.

- Good?
- Love it.

- Okay.
- Cool.

It's gotta be terrible
to sit in that chair.

- What? Over there?
- I mean, I know it is.

- No, your chair.
- Over here?

To be putting a record out,
like, singing your songs

for the first time
in front of a group of people.

- It is...
- Terrible.

- No.
- It is.

It's the most beautiful thing

I've ever done in my life

outside of you and our daughter.

Our method of recording

relies on so much of your gut.

Wherever it takes you,
that's where it goes.

Took forever to get you to trust me

It's a healthy way to do it

because if you don't get it
in the first few times


you kinda lose
the spirit of it anyway.


It's a very complex chemistry

that just comes from playing together

for such a long time.

Running with our eyes closed

Running with our eyes closed

There's definitely
a spontaneity element

to being in a studio
that I think is really important.

Something that I have always liked

is hearing a really good musician
play a song

before they actually know it.

And once you learn the song

your mind is not focused on creating.

Your mind is focused on recreating.

You know,
you can only create something once

and if the tape's not rolling...

then you're just sh*t out of luck.

- I like the one before it better.
- The one before.

- Can we do one more?
- Yeah.

- Just don't think. Don't even tune.
- Okay. Don't think. Don't tune.

You're only as good
as the last work you did

so there's this doubting of self.

Just like,
this is probably a bunch of sh*t.

I don't know, so you're fighting
with all these voices

inside your head.

I don't know what you're doing,
but that's what I do.

Running with our eyes closed

Running with our eyes closed

The writing of the songs,
that's the hardest part.

My work is done
when I walk into the studio.

So I don't feel
that kind of pressure.

Oh, he's just lying to you all.

He is. He is.

I'm gonna drag him up here

and tell him to answer
the question honestly.

It's gotta be a big lie, right?

It's gotta drive him crazy.

You just continue
to build pressure for yourself

to outdo your last record.

From this point forward
'til when the record comes out

it's gonna be a ball of anxiousness.

That should be where it ends
right there.

- Yeah. That's the end.
- Yeah.

I'm still... This guitar still sounds
woofy as hell to me.

I'm excited.
I'm excited to be here, you know?

It's like...

It's... like the first day
of little league.

Jason and I have known each other
for 18 years.

We were friends at first.

But, like, you kinda know...

you know?

I met Amanda when I was recording

with the Drive-By Truckers.

I went into town to go get drunk

and Amanda was playing with
Thrift Store Cowboys.

There was, you know,
hardly anybody at the show.

He got a folding chair

and went and sat
in the middle of the floor.

There was, like, I don't know,
probably, like, 12 people there.

I thought that was pretty ballsy.

I said, "Aren't you
supposed to be famous?"

As a joke, she got me to sign

a polaroid of the two of us
and it's...

we have it in the bathroom
in the house now.

We were just friends for years.

But I probably always been
in love with her.

I definitely had.

How many minutes do we have left?

We have 16.

During that time

I never thought really
that I'd be enough for him

just because...

well, he liked to hang out
with women

and he liked to...

you know, do S-E-X.

Funny aside,
I don't know if this is important

for the documentary or not

but I did make him take an STD test

before I hooked up with him.

And then for, like, the first year

he had it hanging
on the refrigerator, but...

- We're ready when you're all ready.
- Ready?

Come on, apparently,
we're ready to rock.

Have yourself a good time out there.
Thanks for joining me.

It's going to be fun.

Mountain's rough this time of year

Close the highway down

They don't warn the town

I've been fighting second gear

For 15 miles or so

Trying to beat the angry snow

I know every town

Worth passing through

But what good does knowing do

With no one to show it to

And I've grown tired
Of traveling alone


Tired of traveling alone

I've grown tired of traveling alone

Won't you ride with me

I've grown tired of traveling alone

Tired of traveling alone

I've grown tired of traveling alone

Won't you ride with me

Won't you ride

I'm so grateful
that this is the person

that I have to share this with.

I feel included

and I feel tethered to
the world by her.

She makes me feel like
I'm not an outcast.

There was always some part of me
that felt like I don't belong here.

And when she treats me
like I belong...

I feel like I belong everywhere

you know?

I've grown tired of traveling alone

Tired of traveling alone

I've grown tired of traveling alone

Won't you ride with me

Won't you ride

Won't you ride

Thank you.
That's Amanda Shires on the fiddle.

It's a violin.

I think that means it's for sale.

Right after we started
hanging out with each other

I said, "Now, what is the difference
between a violin and a fiddle?"

And she said, "Well, it's a fiddle
when you're buying it."

It's a violin when you're selling it.

If she's calling it a violin

it's not because
we're in a fancy orchestral room

it's because
she's looking to upgrade.

As long as you always
call me a fiddle.

I get moved
either to laughter or to tears

by very small things

that most people would not notice

and if you point it out to them,
they would think you were strange.

And she has looked at me
in a lot of f*cking ways

but never once has she looked at me
like I'm strange.

Never once.

And everybody else has.

At least once.

Well, you're not strange anyway.

Thank you.

I grew up in Alabama.

It was very rural,
and poor white everybody.

When we got pregnant with Jason,
we were kids, you know?

I was 18 or so but Angelia was 16.

When you're 16 years old,
you think you love him

and... and I did.

I mean, you know,
as much as you could at that time.

When I found out I was pregnant

I said, "Oh, I'm gonna marry him

and then
we'll live happily ever after."

I was riding on my mother's hip

She was shorter than the corn

And all the years I took from her

Just by being born

Because we were so young

he didn't realize he was a child.

I had no barometer for reaction.

I felt a response
to all of my problems

as though they were
as big and as complicated

as the adult problems

because I didn't have any other
eight-year-olds around.

Also, there was a pretty big

religious undertone
to everything down there.

You know,
my grandfather was a preacher

so as a young child

I was taught that what this book says

is exactly true.

The thoughts I was having
at seven and eight

were guilt... shame...

I'm gonna go to hell,
so that kept me up at night.

Plus, I was a chubby kid

and definitely
not like everybody else.

You know, I read books
and I didn't play football.

Just that...

was enough to get pickles
thrown at you in the lunchroom

you know?

I was so stressed out and anxious

and the way I took my mind
out of all that

or stopped the wheels from spinning

was by playing the guitar.

Sitting in my room,
playing the guitar.

He had Strats.

That's what he liked back then
when he was young.

And man, I'd hear him back there
tearing that thing up.

My parents did everything they could

to make my childhood
a positive experience

but they couldn't do everything
that they needed to do.

You know, Dad was always
stressed about money.

Mom was not great with money.

And... both had a pretty short fuse.

They would start arguing

and it was a very quick escalation
with them.

Now, the house was small,
and the walls were thin

and the amp was loud.

And so I couldn't hear them.

If I turned it up loud
and played rock and roll guitar

I couldn't hear them
yelling at each other.

He played good, you know?

And sometimes we were arguing,
we'd stop and listen to him.

This is so hard for me.

He was...

he was sitting at the table
and he said

"Mom, do you love Dad?"

And I said,
"Of course, I love Daddy.

Why? Why would you ask me that?"

And he said

"Well, I love him
because he's my daddy

but I wouldn't love him
if he was my husband."

That's the burden that he had

and that's the clarity that he had.

He had a big heart and
was a good kid.

It's a tough one
when they have that.

You know, it's easier to get broke.

There was no culture of
any kind of psychological help

for children or adults whatsoever.

You were either fine
or you were crazy

and if you were crazy,
you went to the 400 Unit.

And if you were fine, you shut up,
and you went to work.

If not for playing the guitar

singing, writing songs

then I would've been lost
in that middle ground

between fine and crazy.

If that hadn't been there...

I don't, you know,
I really don't know

if I would've been able
to deal with the world at all.

I might've just checked out.

Hearing a song that really moves you

is like if you accidentally stumble
on somebody's diary

and it was exactly like yours.

You would say, "Oh, my God

there's one person
who had the same feelings that I did"

you know?

And all of us
are kinda walking around

thinking, "Man, am I weird?

Am I the only one
who feels this way?"

And then when somebody
reaches in and says

"No, no, I'm with you," that's it.

That's all it is, you know?

Let's do one more from the tippy.

- It's gonna be hard.
- You can do it.

Okay.

I'm just stand... standing

I guess we're leaving town again

We're moving out and moving in

Gotta break the news
To all my friends


But they won't care

They'll just find another face

To fall behind to take my place

And run way out past second base

And just stand there

- One more like that. That's cool.
- Okay.

Fall behind

Every single word of Dreamsicle

just hit me in the gut.

The broken glass, the poison ivy

just words that nobody else
understands, you know?

Things that I didn't realize
that he actually remembered.

That's the thing about him.
He don't forget much.

His songs are all about,
you know, about real things.

Poison oak and poison ivy

Dirty jokes that blew right by me

Momma curling up beside me

Crying to herself

Why can't Daddy just come home

Forget whatever he did wrong

He's in a hotel all alone

And we need help

Let's punch that line.

- Twenty-one?
- Yeah.

Is that the right approach?

Yeah, and it sounds like
the sentiment

- so that's great.
- Right. You're not gonna be like

"I'm so proud
of my parents' divorce!"

Yeah, exactly.

You know, I still remember
my parents fighting.

And I remember how that felt

and I remember, you know

the things that caused me to be sad

or to be stressed or to be anxious.

I remember those things.

You know, one time,
we were in an argument

and it was bad.

And Jason threw the baseball
through the window.

The baseball through the window

was to get them to shut the hell up
for three seconds.

Broken glass and broken vows

I'll be 18 four years from now

With different friends
And in a different town


I'll finally be free

But I definitely felt like

I was in the middle
of their trouble for years.

Because I was put in the middle.

My anger towards one parent
was driven by the other parent.

And I knew that they weren't
supposed to be doing that to me.

People say, "Have no regrets"

but I can pull some up.

Took me a long time to grow up.

The way I found out
that they were getting a divorce

was my mom picked me up
from baseball camp.

And she said, "We're leaving."

And she told me
that we would come back

but we were doing that

so Dad would realize how he was.

And so for a long time,
I thought that was possible.

And it's not. Turns out.

A dreamsicle on a summer night

In a folding lawn chair

She took me to a hotel that night.

Daddy's howling at the moon

Better get home soon

We went to the mall

and she bought me
Don Mattingly's rookie card.

I was a fan of Don Mattingly.

Heat lightning in the evening sky

And my momma's red hair

I was touched by the gesture.

I knew what she was doing, you know?

And I felt for her

because I knew she was
trying to change the subject

you know?

Hearts breaking through
The springtime


Breaking into June

Breaking into June

Breaking into June

That's it.

We done, baby. Come on in.

All right. Back it up.

Make four. Just mark four
as being master take.

- Okay.
- Awesome.

Because Dave still thinks
the song's about ice cream.

If it is about ice cream

this is my favorite song
on the record.

Heat lightning in the evening sky

And my momma's red hair

Hearts breaking through
The springtime


Breaking into June

Breaking into June

Breaking into June

Amanda, light of my life

You got a crazy hair
sticking out the side right there.

So cute.
Here, I'll smooth it out for you

- so it looks like sh*t.
- Amanda

Light of my life

Fate should've made you
A gentleman's wife


It's called Be Afraid.

What key are you gonna do it in?

G.

All right.

We've been testing you

And you failed

- That thing's so loud.
- What is?

The fiddle is right on me.

So, do I need to move?

- No, I will back up.
- Okay. Okay.

What?

Just the same amount as normal.

We've been testing you, and you fail

To see how long
That you can sit with the truth


But you bail

And I don't think
You'd even recognize


The myth of control

And I don't think
You even see it in yourself


Every one of us is playing dice
That we didn't roll


And the loser is the last
To ask for help


Be afraid, be very afraid

But do it anyway

Songwriting has gotten harder for me

as time has gone on

just because I won't accept

things that I used to accept.

I won't be satisfied

unless this album
is an accurate representation

of where I am as a person

which means that I'm more focused
than I used to be in the studio.

This is the cycle of anxiousness.

Like, any kind of thing
that's going on in his brain

just presents as grumpiness

but really, it's something more.

- Then whatever, however we end it.
- Cool.

I would love
if you change your playing

to very jangly

instead of that blocky thing,
you know.

Yeah, exactly.
It would be way cooler.

Yes, and that's a good start,
just right there.

- Like that.
- Should I play a 12-string electric?

Might be cooler than... Yes.

- No? Amanda hates those.
- I hate it. I hate that.

Because they don't have any in Texas.

I know how he gets
when he makes records

whether or not he sees it
at the time or not.

I'm not super comfortable
being the whipping girl

so I just chill.

I don't believe that
you're the whipping girl

but most people don't go to work
with their wife.

Most people come home, and it's like,
"Oh, my God, I'm so glad to see you.

I can't wait to tell you
about my day."

But she knows about my day.

What are we going to talk about?

You know, "Oh, my God,
I'm glad... so glad to see you.

I saw you 45 seconds ago.

And you f*cked up that harmony part.

And that was cool, remember that?
Okay, good night."

- Rub it in.
- "What do you want to watch tonight?

All right."

Did you wanna be
in the control room or out here?

- I'll just be up here.
- Okay.

Since the sound of my fiddle
was so much louder than normal.

My fiddle was so much louder
than normal.

It's just like "dink..." in my brain.

- Dink?
- Yeah.

- Dink, dink!
- That's what I sound like?

- Dink, dink!
- Dink?

- You sound like a dink.
- Dink!

Remember that grumpiness
I was talking about?

That's what just happened.

Let's do the Magnatone.

f*cking loud fiddle.

No, it's not. It's always this loud.

Isn't it? Yeah.

That's what I thought.

The 12-string guitar, geez.

If I was producing this record

I'd take all the 12-string guitars
and give them away.

- Are we gonna play this song?
- That's what I'm talking about.

We're standing here
with our dicks in the dirt.

I waited two hours
for somebody else's burrito.

You all are gonna let me tune
this guitar.

f*ck those people.

Yeah, I know.
I'm the one paying for this sh*t.

Sometimes he needs a lot of space.

- You'd... g*dd*mn right.
- He's a big f*cking man.

You know, I'm a man from Alabama

- for Christ's sake.
- If the floor's shaking

- Momma's going to get some space.
- That's what we do.

Anyway, I don't have...

I can't go on.

Yeah, you got something to do,
or you just wanna get out?

Oh, I got things that I could do.

Okay, that's fine.

I mean, because
I was gonna do either the...

Hard part is letting you go

- Oh, yeah, that's...
- That one.

- Yeah.
- Probably do that one later, but...

you know, it'd be cool
if you were here for it.

If you don't wanna be,
you don't have to be.

Let's do this. This is...

Let's do this right now.

I don't think I'll be able to think
about this right now

'til we've discussed.

I'll send you a text.

Okay. Okay.

Trying to navigate
being in a relationship

where we are family

and we are married,
and we have a child together

and also working in the studio

you know, is a challenge.

And... I don't mean this
to be an excuse for anything.

You know, it's my own damn fault.

But when I have a hard day

I can't just go home
and have a drink.

And used to, that's what I would do.

So there's no escape...

- for me.
- There's the thing, though.

There's the puzzle you're working out

that you need to figure out, I think.

There's no escape.
There is an escape.

You just have to figure out
what it is

and it's music. We know that.

Right, but I'm not gonna go home
from the studio

- and sit and play guitar all night.
- Well, no, I know.

But I'm... I'm just saying

then you should find another one.

You know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah, I do.

And what I would prefer that to be
in a perfect world

is spending time with my daughter

but I just don't have time right now.

Well, it's not that
you don't have time.

It's the schedules are different.

And that wears on me.

If I don't get much time with her,
it wears on me.

Pretty quickly.

And that's that.

- Hello, Dave.
- Hey, dude.

- How you doing, buddy?
- Fantastic, how about you?

I had a rough night, but I'm good.

- What happened?
- Just...

You know, we'll talk about it later.

Okay.

But I'm happy to be here.

Everything is not good
but I am in the studio

so this feels comfortable.

Yeah, why do you think
I work in the studio every day?

Yeah, no sh*t, man.

So I didn't really sleep, but...

- man, I'm good.
- Yeah.

- You all wanna do a song?
- Yeah.

- All right.
- Here we go.

She waits

For the sunshine

Okay, wait. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

- Nobody knew...
- One, two, three, four.

Ain't it something
How the night can shine...


Let's do it again. A one, two, three.

Ain't it something how the night...

Walk into it.

One, two, ready go.

I counted that like a f*cking idiot.

While we were recording Reunions

I was telling myself this is good.

This is fine. This is easy.

You have this under control.

And that was not true.

What was true was

I was really pressured
and very stressed

and sort of having
a come-apart in there.

Like, is this going to be
any good or not?

Amanda could
definitely see something

that even I couldn't see
at that point.

That's, I think, the thing
that frustrates her the most

is when I refuse to acknowledge

something that she can see.

I just couldn't be around it anymore
because it was so...

fake. It was so fake.

Somebody told her she was beautiful

Every time she turned around

But when she opened up her mouth
To speak


It clearly didn't make a sound

Everything was so magnified

and intense

and I just was like,
if you could just say

that all this bullshit

is because you're nervous
or under pressure or whatever

that'd go a lot further than...

pretending it all away, you know?

She waits for the sun to rise

Behind his midnight eyes

And the wind storm had passed

Ain't it something
How the night can shine


Through a bottle of wine
Against a bedroom wall


Ain't it something
When her eyes light up


And it's exactly enough
And you can let yourself fall


- We done.
- Good, thank God.

- So, you're coming later tomorrow?
- Yep.

I just have to sleep
because I didn't last night

so I won't be any later
than two, though.

Okay, you should go home

and just put your iPhone
outside tonight for a little while.

And bring the noise in
from your home.

- Oh, record?
- Yeah.

Yeah, that would be nice

but I'm not going to my home tonight.

Oh, okay.

I don't think it'll sound too good
in the hall at the Omni.

Oh, is that where
you're staying tonight?

Yeah.

- Well...
- Maybe tomorrow, Dave.

Well, whenever you do.

All right, everybody,
I'll see you guys tomorrow.

Jason is extremely hard on himself

and it can be painful
for everyone around him.

I knew the first moment
I ever met him

he was destined for greatness.

But Jason was young

when he joined our band.

I had always planned on
being in a band.

I'd always had that

as my driving force, you know?

The Drive-By Truckers
had played in Nashville

at one of the first
Americana Music Conferences

and the next day,
the guitar player didn't show up

and Jason just sat in.

You know, I was like, "Man,
you mind if I play with you guys

since you're one short?"

He was like
a way next-level guitar player.

Jason's playing along

like he had been rehearsing it
for years.

So at the end of the night,
I was like

"Hey, man, get in the van.
Let's go...

Let's go play some rock and roll."

I was, "Yes, I'm there. I'll do it."

You know, I wanted to get out,
get on the road and tour.

And I wanted to write songs.
I wanted people to hear them.

I was so excited. So excited.

The next day, his mom dropped him off

to get in our van
to leave for Oklahoma.

And Jason's like

"Mom, whatever you do

don't say

'take care of my boy,
or something like that.'"

She's sizing me up.

It's like,
"You're not gonna let my boy

die out there, are you?"

They open the back of the van,
and there lies Earl Hicks

passed out drunk.

Patterson comes around.
And he puts his arm around Jason

and he says, "Don't worry, Mom.

We're gonna take
real good care of your boy."

It was like that scene
from Almost Famous, you know?

"Don't do drugs!"

You all know Jason, don't you?

Yeah!

Coming into that
was mind-boggling for me

because it really was
exchanging everything I knew

for something completely different.

There was a lot of humor
and there was a lot of drinking

and a lot of things
that I had never seen before.

The first tour with Jason
was beyond magical.

He wrote Decoration Day

like the fourth day
he was in the band.

I'm like, "Holy sh*t,
where's this kid been all my life?"

You know, it's like,
"Oh, elementary school."

It's Decoration Day

And I've a mind to roll a stone
On his grave


But what would he say

He'd say, keeping me down
Ain't gonna keep you away


It's Decoration Day

And I knew the Hill boys
Would put him away


But my daddy wasn't afraid

He said we'd fight
'Til the last Lawson's


Last living day

It was everything I ever wanted.

You know, the things
that I'd sit in my room and rehearse

while my parents
were getting a divorce.

It was the fantasy that I went to

to disconnect
from the house that I was in.

It was everything. It was everything.

No matter what went wrong in my life,
I thought, but I can do this.

With Jason joining the band

we basically jumped
from one size room

over the next size room

to the next size room

in a space of about three months.

We had this chemistry

that made us better together

than any of us were separate.

And so it was like
this really powerful thing.

The Drive-By Truckers
were pretty established

and, you know, kind of...

"professional drinkers"

you know, by the time
he joined the band.

And it was just a rolling party.

I mean, we drank a lot, you know?

We rocked hard.
We drank hard. We drove hard.

We lived hard.

It wouldn't be right for me to say

all of a sudden,
I started drinking and doing drugs

when I joined the band.

It's just that the situations
were heavier

than what I'd been used to.

I ain't living like I should

A little rest might do me good

I think drinking gave him confidence.

Not, "I'm gonna be a badass
and fight you"

but "I can express myself

whereas I am that Southern man

who doesn't express himself
if I'm not drinking."

I ain't living like I should

I was adjusting to the world

outside of my Alabama upbringing

and...

dealing with stuff from my childhood
that I never dealt with.

I mean, that's probably
the biggest part of it

was the fact that...

you know, I never had
any kind of therapy

and didn't know that my problems

were problems that could be solved.

We can look back now and see

a lot of dangerous patterns
emerging with his drinking.

But we were
a little oblivious to that

I'm ashamed to say, at the time.

We would be on stage performing

and handing each other
the bottle of whiskey

and take a swig out of the bottle,
you know?

Then after the show,
you'd go out to a bar

I mean, you're already lit

and go out to have six or seven more.

It just snowballed.

There was one night in Memphis.

That was the first ever hint

of there being this...

dark side, you know,
because he was so...

he was so Jason.

He was kind of a ray of light.

I was highly inebriated.

I drank, you know, an entire handle

of Jack Daniel's.

I took some cocaine

and some Valium
or something like that

and I overdosed

and, you know, woke up all bloody.

And Shonna, the bass player
in the Drive-By Truckers

who I was dating at the time

was slapping me and crying

and thought that I was dead.

He was pretty cut up

and looked like
he had been in a fight.

He might've been cutting
himself a little bit.

I don't know. It...

Something got
really f*cked up that night.

Obviously, some things
had gone very wrong

with Jason.

So I'll take two
Of what you're having


And I'll take all of what you got

To k*ll this g*dd*mn lonely

g*dd*mn lonely love

I felt like what I was gonna do

was straighten my life out

and I felt like I owed it to Shonna

because she had taken care of me.

We went, I think, the next day
to the courthouse and got married.

But I was not prepared for a marriage

or any kind of a real
relationship at that point.

All I got is this g*dd*mn lonely

g*dd*mn lonely love

I just wasn't being
an actual grown-up.

I had built the illusion
of grown-upness

but I was not living as an adult.

The Drive-By Truckers were playing
at Webster Hall one night.

And I remember getting to the venue

and Jason just announces to me
"I'm getting divorced."

When the relationship
between Jason and Shonna

started going bad...

you know,
that affected all of us, for sure.

By that time, we're in a bus

but a bus becomes
a really small place quick

when there's 11 people
living in it.

That period was bad.

That was a bad time in my life.

He was, in a lot of ways

spiraling out of control.

And I saw the potential
for that to get a lot worse.

There was a point

where I was definitely worried about

you know, him dying.

The situation with Jason
had gotten so bad

that it was just...

it was making us not enjoy our job.

It was threatening
the life of the band.

Honestly, I think his ego
also started growing

and getting out of control.

And there's only so much
people can take.

Patterson and Cooley
just put a stop to it.

It was shocking to me
when I was fired.

But in hindsight, it should not
have been shocking to me.

Now, I look back at it, and, yeah,
I would've fired that guy too.

What... what an as*h*le.

Breaking up with Jason
damn near k*lled me in a lot of ways.

I mean, I was beyond heartbroken

to see it ending like that.

I was terrified about
what it was gonna do to the band

because he was a vital important part

of what we were doing.

That's a big thing to lose.

I mean, I didn't want my parents
to get a divorce either.

But you know, now I'm glad they did

because, in hindsight,
they were pretty...

you know, pretty miserable.

Definitely felt some guilt

when things started
going wrong with him.

Maybe we should've
handled it differently.

Maybe we should've been more aware.

Maybe we should've...

you know, maybe I should've.

Maybe I should've been more aware.

I was the one

who put him in that van that night.

I'm the one who told his momma
it was gonna be okay.

You know, it's very sad.
It was very sad.

I went to a bar
to go get very, very drunk

and ordered a double

and then another one
and another one and another one.

For five more years.

Heaven's wasted on the dead

That's what your momma said

Heaven's wasted on the dead

Heaven's waste...

That doesn't feel right to me.

For the bridge, so...

C.

Heaven's waste...

Let's try out...

Heaven's wasted on the dead

- How've you been doing?
- Hey, where have you been lately?

Oh, just doing all kinds of stuff.

- I like your glasses.
- Thank you.

You know, gotta keep it vibey.

Heaven's wasted on the dead

That's what your momma said

And the hearse was idling
In the parking lot


So we'll take it
from right after the chorus

so everybody knows where they're at.

- Okay? Back up.
- Okay. On the bridge

- should I play a chord like...
- No. No.

- Just keep going?
- Keep picking. Yeah.

Okay.

Heaven's wasted on the dead

That's what your momma said

And the hearse was idling
In the parking lot


She said you thought the world of me

And you were glad to see

They finally let me be an astronaut

Are you still taking notes

Do you have anyone to talk to

Castle walls
That you can walk through


And do the dead believe in ghosts

Or are you lost in some old building

With over encouraged only children

Amazing.
Do you wanna go into overdubs

or do you wanna go into another song?

I need about 20 minutes to myself.

So I'm gonna take that,
and then I'll come in and do...

All right.

Can I talk to you for a minute?

I mean, now's not
a really great time for me, but...

Okay, no problem.

My wife and I got in a spot

that was probably pretty close
to just calling the whole thing off.

- Off?
- Yeah

it was definitely close to that.

She was offended by my behavior

and I was offended by hers.

We just kept our distance
for a week or more.

That's part of what made it
so difficult for me

was the fact that
we didn't know what to say

to each other, you know?

We didn't know how to talk
or communicate

at that point in time.

Yeah, but he was being an asshat.

He wouldn't talk to me
on the phone.

He wouldn't respond to
my text messages.

I sent an email full of my thoughts

and he didn't respond
for, like, f*cking three days.

I just... I have to be able to work

no matter what stupid sh*t

- is going on around me.
- Really, you can? I can't.

- Well, I don't have a choice, Dave.
- You're a bigger man than me.

- It's either that or fail.
- Yeah.

I think, now we can switch
into overdub.

Yeah, I think so too.

All right, here we go from the top.

"Dear Mr. Husband

I know you're under
a lot of stress and pressure

whether you think it or not.

I can see it in your face.

I know that you aren't sleeping

and focusing so hard
it's probably wearing you out.

I'm sorry all this happened
during your record making.

The other night,
I was truly asking questions

and trying to figure out
my role in the studio

because it felt a lot like
I was unnecessary.

You made comments to me
that embarrassed me.

Then you couldn't answer
the question about

if I should be there or not

because you wanted me
to decide for myself.

Or as you said,
'I don't know if I need you there.'

You were holding on so tight
to your position

that you couldn't see that
you were hurting my feelings.

I had, and still have, so many tears.

I was considering marriage counseling
with you this last week

because I thought it might help.

Then this morning,
I pictured us going, and I was happy.

Who gets excited
about marriage counseling?

Then I cried like a dingbat

because this is what it has
come to for me, for us.

Dates to marriage counseling.

You know that I am open
to most all things

and I'm quick to accept my share

or more of my share of the blame.

You said, 'I'm not broken anymore.'

I know that.

I appreciate how strong you are

and the ways that you have changed.

I don't need you to be broken
or dented or anything.

I just love you.

See you at the stooge."

What do I do to make you smile

You been hurting for a while

What can I do to make you laugh

Get St. Peter's autograph

What's that distance in your eye

Has your faith been compromised

What can I do to help you sleep

I'll work hard and work for cheap

Sometimes it's nothing

But the way you're wired

And that's not your fault

We're all struggling
With the world on fire


And the fear we're taught

Now you've lost another friend

Who couldn't stay to see the end

He had somewhere else to be

Cut him down and burn the tree

There's no shelter from the rain

And I can't comprehend your pain

But I got arms, and I got ears

And I will always be right here

Amanda and I have
very different personalities

but identical values.

I think at the root of things

we both care
very, very much for each other

and very much for each other's work.

I don't think she's done with me

and I'm not done with her.

So sometimes it's like

"Well, we can't figure out exactly
how to get the bridge built

but I'm just gonna wave at you
from this side."

Then you have to keep
your own identity

and your own boundaries intact,
I think.

So I think sometimes, like,
space and time is a good thing

because we, like, live together,
we work together

- we record together.
- Oh, yeah, that's a big one.

- That's a big one.
- And so sometimes

it's nice to take a breath
and be like...

you know...

Well, hello.

- Look at your overalls.
- I have a present for you.

What is it?

- Open it.
- Come on in. I'll open it inside.

- Hey, guys.
- Hey, buddy.

- How you doing?
- Thanks for coming.

I haven't been here in a long time.

I know. It's been a while.
What do you think about the place?

You hear that?

Who's that sound like?

- Mommy.
- Yeah.

That's neat too.

Go see her.

- Aye! Hey!
- Hey, Mercy.

- What's up?
- Here you are!

- Whatcha doing?
- How are you doing?

- I gave Daddy a present.
- You did?

Give me some love.

I missed you so much.

- Thank you all for bringing her by.
- It's okay, Dad.

Open it!

- Look at that!
- It's me and Santa.

That's the best picture I ever got.

That's the best picture
I ever gotten.

- I love you, buddy.
- Did you eat the chocolate?

I haven't yet. I put it in my pocket.

I'm going to eat it
at the perfect time.

- After dinner.
- Yeah.

We climbed to safety

You and me and the baby

Sent our thoughts and prayers
To loved ones on the ground


And as the days went by

We just stopped looking down
Down, down


Now the world's on fire

And we just climb higher

'Til we're no longer bothered
By the smoke and sound


Good people suffer

And the heart gets tougher

Nothing given, nothing found

What've I done to help?

Somebody saved me

I don't look at something and think
this is gonna be difficult.

I just look at it and think
is this worth doing or not?

Is it better for us to do this
as a team?

My family is incredibly
important to me

but my job
is very important to me too

because I know
that I could not be of any use

to anybody else

if I had to do something different
with my life.

I mean, this is the mask
that I have to put on first

before I can put anybody else's on,
you know?

Dave, you ready?

Do you wanna sit at the couch or...

- I think here is fine.
- Okay.

Let's put it in record, Gena.

All right.

The nurse helped us buckle
Your seat in the car


And they sent us on our way

I drove home so slow

We had no instructions
And the first days were hard


But there's things about babies

A woman just knows

At 3.00 in the morning

I lay my hand over your heart

Just to know you were safe
In your sleep


When you started walking
I'd fight back the urge


To stay right there beside you

And keep you on your feet

Being your daddy comes natural

Roses just know how to grow

It's easy to see
That you'll get where you're going


But the hard part is letting you go

sh*t, dude.

- That's incredible.
- Thank you.

Take... Take me a minute.

And then, the older you get,
the more emotional you get.

Like, I can't hardly talk
to anybody without...

something choking me up now.

It's a good thing you don't have
a bunch of hired g*ns in your band

when that happens

because they'd be going off
tomorrow to Black Bird

and telling everybody in the studio

"That son of a b*tch
was crying at his own song.

What an as*h*le."

And now you've decided
To be someone's wife


And we walk down the aisle
And I'll give you away


I wish I could walk with him
Back through your life


To see every last minute
Of every last day


To hear your first words
And to feel your first heartbreak


To sing you to sleep
When you're scared of the dark


The best I can do
Is to let myself trust


That you know
You'll be strong enough


To carry your heart

And being your daddy
Comes natural...


I'm a dad. I can't help
but to hear the lyrics on that one.

He's always got those songs

that jerk and makes us all
messy and cry.

It's easy to see
That you'll get where you're going


But the hard part is letting you go

The hard part is letting you go

The good thing is
your daughter's four.

- Got some time.
- Yeah.

Yeah, you're right.
I do have some time.

- Love you so much.
- Love you so much.

I miss you.

- But, hey, guess what?
- What?

We get done with this record,
that means we get to go back on tour

and play new songs for everybody

and go have lots of fun together,
okay?

- Maybe do Oh Well again?
- I'll do Oh Well again.

- That's your favorite?
- And Anxiety?

Yeah, and Anxiety.

All your favorites.

I won't throw them out.

I'll still play them for you, okay?

Okay. When will you throw them out?

I don't think I ever will.

I think I'll just keep
playing them for you

as long as you wanna hear them, okay?

I wanna hear them forever.

Okay, good.
Well, that's what we'll do.

You'll always be with me.

Yeah, I will.

Forever.

Forever.

Always be your what?
What are we?

- BFFs.
- BFFs.

You know, you get in this headspace,
I think, when you're an addict

where you think I can control

my little corner of the universe.

And things come in and remind you

that that's not really possible.

So all you can really control

is your reactions to things.

Okay, so you push the red button.

Is there a red light on the screen?

Red dot is on.

Can you get some audio
on the back of your camera too?


Is there some movement
when you make...


Hello. Hey, audio, yeah.

- Yeah, that's working.
- Okay, good.

Welcome to pandemic filmmaking.

Let me just close
this Zoom window here


and we'll be ready to go.

Ready for your first
interview questions?

Yeah.

What does quarantine mean to you?

It means that you have to stay home.

What do you like to do
during the day in quarantine?


Well...

sometimes...

just sometimes...

I have the best days ever.

Momma!

Save us! It's not a good idea!

What's not a good idea, huh?

Here you go. Do you want to
give them some food?

That's what
they're following you for.

- Really? Throw some.
- Okay.

Who's going to get it?

You know, I've been touring
since I was 12

and professionally since I was 15.

And this is the first time

in my whole life
that I haven't played...

music like...

at least once
every four or five days.

One coming right behind you, Momma.

- Boy, she got me hard.
- One pecked my leg.

She got my toe big time,
thinking it was a worm.

Technically,
this is probably the most time


Jason and Amanda
have ever actually spent together.


- They're pecking my toes.
- Amanda very much has her own career

outside the 400 Unit.

So there can be weeks at a time
when they're not together

because they're each touring
behind their own projects.

Usually, she goes somewhere
and I go somewhere

and then we come back together

and we compare our experiences.

And now, all of a sudden,
that has stopped.

The ways that we used to
celebrate being alive

are not available to us now

so we celebrate being alive
by catching fireflies

and watching skunks

and picking flowers
and weeding the garden.

This is not Thoreau.

I'm not saying that this is the way

- humans should live.
- But we don't get...

I don't like it.

I didn't used to be
a stop and look in the bird nest

kind of guy.

But I'm... an egg counter now.

There they go.

How do you like
that new voice you got, babies?

I don't know if it's just
that the lens has gotten so small

because we're in these little bubbles
of our own stuff

but I'm wrestling with what, like,
what are...

what is our purpose now?

I knew she would do that.
She always does that.

Did you see her?

You missed her? She flew right out.

And I always get her at a bad time.

- Three little eggs.
- I caught it!

Nurturing things
and distracting myself


is the best way that I can sort of...

you know, try to not think too hard

on all of this crap.

Hello?

- Hey, Jason?
- Yeah, this is Jason.

Hey, Jason.
This is Josh from Guitar.com.


- How's it going, man?
- How are you doing, Josh?

Yeah, not too bad, man, not too bad.

- How about yourself?
- Doing all right.

We're all stuck in the house still,
but we're healthy.

We're doing okay.

Oh, wait. I'm getting another call
from London right now.

- Let me... hold on there a second.
- Oh, okay.

Are you with The Sun?

No.

- I'm with Guitar.com.
- Okay.

I've got you listed for 12.30.

Can you call me back?

- Yeah, definitely...
- Fantastic.

We'll do that in an hour and a half.

- Okay, talk to you then.
- Thank you.

They never ever get the times right.

I'm so glad you saw that.

Since the pandemic started

we are constantly evolving

our plans for the record

plans for touring

trying to keep the ball rolling,
basically.

The record's called Reunions,
and it is done.

It is complete.

This is the beautiful vinyl

that we will be releasing out
into this mad world.

It's a strange time
to be releasing an album


in some ways, isn't it?

Yeah, it's a strange time
to be doing anything.

It's a strange time
to go to the grocery store. But...

you know,
definitely releasing an album

because you're so used to that...

immediate gratification of going out

and performing the songs live.

Hello, oh, hello.

- Hello.
- I had the lens cap on.

Hello, lens cap
from the world of tomorrow.

Welcome to sound check.

Welcome.

There's Zach.

It's dark out here.

Here's our things.

You can see the only thing
we've opened so far are the Doritos.

And by "we," I mean me.

- Happy record release day.
- Happy record release day.

Amanda Shires being her glam squad.

Be your own glam squad.

Tell us how you feel
about release day.

I feel good about release day.

It's exciting to release an album

that I feel good about.

I think it's a good album,
but it's also really weird...

because the pandemic has changed
the way we do everything

- including releasing the album.
- And we miss our band today.

We miss our band so much.

- We miss our audience.
- Yeah.

We miss our crew. I miss our bus.

Last night I dreamed
That I'd been drinking


Same dream
I have about twice a week


I had a glass of wine

I woke up feeling fine

And that's how I knew it was a dream

It gets easier

But it never gets easy

I can say it's all worth it
But you won't believe me


And you can't expect her
To follow your lead


She's fine with her wine
and her weed


It gets easier

But it never gets easy

It never gets easy

This album was the biggest thing
that I've ever done.

And the process of making it
wasn't easy.

I wanted to be there with my band

making really, really loud noises

and then, you know, eating dinner

and drinking some kind
of non-alcoholic c*ck

and high-fiving each other

making goofy speeches.

And that was not available to me.

It gets easier

But it never gets easy

It never gets easy

It never gets easy

Amanda says congratulations.

I know it's not what you hoped,
but it's awesome.

And thank you very much.
Thank you for understanding that.

Because it is weird as sh*t.
This is weird.

If you got little kids

tell them don't say sh*t
if you want to

but I'm gonna say it again.

This is weird as sh*t

but it would feel weirder
to not put a record out

because when I make a record

I make it about my life
and how my life is then.

And my life changes
so I don't wanna wait a year

and then talk about
what my life was like.

- Thanks.
- Happy record release!

You know, it turned out
being better than I expected

and it turned out
being a great experience

for me and for the audience, I think

but it wasn't what I wanted to do.

And that sort of...

lack of celebration

was... was deflating for me.

When the record was due to drop

I was still holding on to hope

that before too long

we can get out
and do something behind this.

When I finally came around
to the reality

which is I'm not going anywhere
for a good while

depression would kind of set in.

Oh, the guys need some love.

They're really proud of the record

and they just are sitting home
watching from the sidelines.

It doesn't feel right.
It's unsettling, you know.

I feel like I should be on tour,
you know?

I mean, I really do.

My body is telling me

I should have wheels underneath
me right now, you know?

Like I feel the pull of the highway
so to speak.

The way I've been dealing with it

has just been to go
with the flow of things.

I have no idea what Derry's doing.

He looks like
he's building a spaceship.

The new 400 Unit record, Reunions

is the top-selling album
in the country.

In a different time, if you had
the number-one record on the charts

you wouldn't be so worried
about the next month.

Considering the fact
that we're in a pandemic

I expected way less

and was prepared
to be okay with that.

So this is
an incredible surprise for me.

In some ways,
it's a bittersweet thing

but I will say I never thought
I would play in a band

that had a number-one anything.

What I meant to say was
I always knew I'd play in a band

that would have a number-one album.

One, two...

What've I done to help

What've I done to help

Somebody saved me

What've I done to help

What've I done to help

And not myself

What've I done to help

What've I done to help

Somebody saved me

I had a little bit
of a come apart yesterday.

Amanda and I were filming

a live performance for CBS

and about halfway through
the first song

the Amazon delivery guy

came up onto the porch
and dropped something off.

It was, sort of,
like a breaking point for me.

You know, I just told Amanda
I'm f*cking tired of this.

I'm... I've had enough.

I know that we're in
a much better situation

than most people are

but I've still just had enough
of this sh*t.

It just f*cking sucks.

It's like you sit down
to eat a sandwich

and all you have
are two slices of bread.

You don't have anything to put
in between it.

You're trying to pretend
it's a sandwich

and then halfway through it,
somebody comes up and interrupts you.

And you want to say, "g*dd*mn it.

I'm already just eating
two slices of bread

and pretending it's a sandwich.

Why can't you just let me do that?"

He's not aware when he does it,
but he'll be like

"Are you not having any fun?"

And then he stomps around
and is grumpy

and I was like,
"Are you having fun, you know?

What are you doing?"

But then after the recording

he sat down and
just started talking about

all of it.

Kind of just kind of like...

when you get in an over-full bathtub

but it just kind of splashes
everywhere.

You know, when's the next time
I'm gonna play

a regular show at The Greek

for thousands of people?

All crammed in together

jumping up and down
and sweating and dancing

and having a good time.

Is it gonna be five years?

Is it ever gonna happen again?

If it wasn't for Amanda and Mercy

I would possibly go back to drinking

because who gives a f*ck?

Who's even watching?
Who's looking anymore?

It's not like
I'm gonna mess up a show.

I can't go play one.

I'm not going to do that

because I spend a ton of time
with my daughter and with my wife

and I would let them down.

But if they weren't around here

I don't know if I would be safe.

I don't know if my recovery
would be safe.

I got a glass of wine

I got a cigarette

And I should be feeling fine

But I ain't feeling nothing yet

She's leading the second line

Feel like I'm in front of it

And I guess I am tonight

Typical day for the old Jason.

Wake up, it's probably
already past noon.

Get in the van.

There's probably
some bottles of liquor

on the floor of the van
to tide you over

unload the gear, drink some more.

Play a show while drinking some more.

Finish the show, drink some more

and then hit repeat.

There was usually never a day
filled with great decisions.

I mean, the day-to-day
was pretty rough.

Right before Jason went sober

I was actually looking online
for Internet security courses.

Just as a fallback
in case everything self-destructed.

Honestly, I didn't consider
getting sober

until I met Amanda.

You know, I thought
she's... she's not gonna...

stick around for this.

You know, at first,
when you're hanging out

you think that a person,
you see them off and on

they're just having fun that night
or for a couple of nights

and it just got progressively
worse and worse and...

you start noticing patterns
like about...

Like, he never woke up
in the morning.

It was always in the afternoon.

But he always woke up drinking.

And there's a lot of things
that go along with that

that are not fun to be around, but...

One night, I got real drunk

and I said I need help
to quit drinking

and that I don't think
I can do it on my own.

And Amanda said

"Well, you know, if you're...
if you're sure about that

you know, I'm gonna have
to do some things

and you're not gonna like 'em."

I really think that somebody

probably would've helped

or tried to help
if it hadn't been me.

Or I hope somebody would.

So it started with a text from her
that it was time

and I said, "Well, I need to hear
that from him."

And he texted me that

"I think it's time I do something
about my drinking.

I wanna be present

while all this good stuff
is happening.

Not like in
the Drive-By Truckers days."

So Traci went to the rehab folks

and the earliest they could get me in

was Monday.

The Saturday night

we were playing a private show
in Virginia.

It was his last hurrah.

And I don't think
I've ever told him this

that I have the audio and
the DVD of that.

And it's just something
I've always tucked away

just in case he ever slipped.

Well, I moved into this room

If you could call it that a week ago

I never do what I'm supposed to do

Hardly even know my name anymore

When no one calls it out

It kind of vanishes away

And I can't get to sleep at night

The parking lot's so loud and bright

The AC hasn't worked in 20 years

Probably never made
A single person cold


But I can't say the same for me

I've done it many times

Somebody take me home

Through those Alabama pines

They had a bunch of moonshine
from Fredericksburg.

The moonshine capital of the world.

The place where they've always made
the best moonshine.

So I drank a ton of that.

And I think I took some MDMA
at some point.

And tried to get a tattoo

and they wouldn't give me a tattoo
because I was too f*cked up.

Everybody was pissed at me

because I had gotten so drunk
and made such an a*s of myself.

Dude, you're wasted.

Man, this is a party.

It was the first time
I'd ever heard him drunk on stage.


Hey, Derry DeBorja, everybody, yeah!

- Play a song!
- And then, I guess

it was really after the show

that things got really, really ugly.

Amanda and I got into an argument

and, you know, I think I got...

I got kind of scary to her.

That was sort of a, like,
kind of not the best night for him.

So...

I don't think she was going to

stay with me at that point.

I think she was like,
"Okay, I want you to get sober.

I'll help you. I'll be your friend.

But I don't think I can be
in a relationship with you"

you know?

So I thought
my relationship was done.

So when I was in rehab,
I just wrote letters to her...

the whole time, and it worked.

I can write a letter.

A heart on the run

Keeps a hand on a g*n

It can't trust anyone

I was so sure what I needed was more

Tried to sh**t out the sun

The days when we raged
We flew off the page


Such damage was done

But I made it through

Because somebody knew

I was meant for someone

That was f*cked up
in a lot of different ways

but I was lucky enough to realize

that if I can just quit drinking

then I might have everything
I ever wanted.

It's not hard to commit to
somebody, I don't think.

I mean...

if you're...
if you're in love with him.

He proposed, and I said "yes."

But I wanted him to be sober

at least a year
before I continued on.

And it's no... it's no guarantee.

Like, I can trust him

but I can't trust
the addiction at all

you know?

Cover me up

And know you're enough

To use me for good

There's a couple of parts
in Cover Me Up

I still don't like to hear

but I listen to it anyway.

Now he knows that I liked him
even at his worst.

Put your faith to the test

When I tore off your dress

In Richmond on high

But I sobered up

I swore off that stuff

Forever this time

We had a moment recently

where we came to the conclusion

through having a couple
of really hard conversations

that part of our problems still stem

from unresolved issues

from when we first got together.

And things that happened
when I was still drinking.

I didn't understand that
all those years ago

there were times
when she felt trapped

and she felt in danger.

So girl, hang your dress up to dry

We ain't leaving this room

I remember my perspective.

I knew that I wasn't
gonna hurt anybody.

But my perspective
wasn't the only one.

In the last few months

I've been doing a lot of thinking
about what did the room looked like

from the other corners, you know?

What did it look like from the people
who were afraid of me

and didn't know that ultimately...

it was all gonna be okay.

Cover me up

And know you're enough

To use me for good

I had the realization
of what I had put on her.

You know, she was a catalyst

for me getting sober
and cleaning my life up.

I had taken all of this burden

of me becoming what I am now

and I had put it on her shoulders.

And then, what started off
as a little tiny relationship

turned into the record Southeastern

and it was not just ours anymore.

Girl, leave your boots by the bed

We ain't leaving this room

There were people hearing these songs

and when they would hear
Cover Me Up

she would go back to the place

where she was afraid of me.

And nobody would understand that.

And then the part
that hurt her the worst

is that I didn't understand it

because I wasn't willing to go back

and actually look
at what really happened.

It's a lot to feel
like you're the only person

in the world that...

- That knows...
- Yeah.

...what really happened.

And I should've known the whole time.

So cover me up

And know you're enough

To use me for good

Cover me up

And know you're enough

To use me for good

When Jason went sober

he came out of that experience

I think, a more caring

kinder...

more empathetic individual.

I fought against my own ability
to get better.

And when I stopped doing that

all of a sudden, I was like,
"Okay, you're not so bad.

You're kind of an as*h*le,
but we'll figure that out."

And... and then we sat there
together, me and myself

and wrote an album
that changed my life.

Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


It takes a lot to change a man

Hell, it takes a lot to try

Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


Nobody knows
what waits for the dead


This pandemic has been a challenge

for somebody
who's used to being in control.

It's really saved my a*s
to be able to sit down

and play the guitar for hours.

I've kinda reverted back
to when I was an unhip high schooler

and I just spent all my time
in my room playing guitar

because that's the only thing
that really made me happy.

And I'm glad I can't go back

To where I came from

I'm glad those days are gone
And gone for good


Thank you.

But if I could take spirits
From my past


And bring them here

You know I would

You know I would

But nobody speaks to God
these days


Nobody speaks to God these days

The chickens have lain their eggs
beneath the coop.

I'd like to think he's looking down

And laughing at our ways

But nobody speaks to God
these days


Mommy, I got you a present.

And when I was a child

- They tried to fool me
- Thank you.

Said the worldly man was doomed

And hell was real

Some days I found
beautiful dead moths.

Well, I've seen hell in Reno

And this world's just one big old
Catherine wheel


Spinning still

He's made a picnic.

Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


Oh, some garden gloves.

It takes a lot to change your plans

And a train to change your mind

Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


Look at that stinky b*stard.

Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


Quarantine, day 194.

Maybe it's time
To let the old ways die


I smell alcohol.

That's because
we just put some in your ears.

And I can smell with my ears?

You can use your ears
to help you smell?

- I think your ears...
- That's my daughter.

Don't put your fingers in your ears.
Don't do that.

I like to smell the alcohol.

That's my child, there.

"Well, do you love me the most

with my big, big eyes

that will watch you grow
wise, wise, wise?

It's me, Ollie.

Do you love me the most?
Do you?"

Do you?
Do you love me the most?

- Do you?
- Stop it.

Stop interrupting me.

- What?
- Stop interrupting me.

- Hoo?
- You.

- Hoo?
- You.

- Hoo?
- You.

- Hoo?
- You.

- Hoo?
- You.

Hey, Mercy, knock, knock?

- Who's there?
- Interrupting Mom.

- Interrupting Mom...
- Hello!

In quarantine times

there are breakthrough couples
and break up couples

I've decided.

A lot of people we know

are getting divorced.

And I understand that totally.

But I think for me and Amanda

I think we're having breakthroughs.

I feel like we're getting to know
each other better, I think.

And like today

everything was great, you know?

Yesterday, everything was great.

We'll see what happens tomorrow.

The river is my savior

Because she used to be a cloud

She's happy just to lay there

When she used to be so proud

And even when she dries up

A thousand years from now

I'll lay myself beside her

And call her name out loud

So I see COVID-19

as something that is forcing me
to adapt and to grow.

I'm bound and determined
to make a positive out of this.

And the ultimate positive

is to let it connect me
with other people more.

But now I'm tired
And a little bit confused


Regarding what I meant to do

And what I did

To be back in the room
with everybody else

will make my heart explode.

Because I know I'll be in tears.

I feel like we will all be in tears

because you don't feel whole
right now.

I'd be happy just to play
on the back porch

for the birds

if it was me and my whole band
playing together at the same time.

I'd be thrilled.

The river is my savior

She's running to the sea

And to reach her destination

Is to simply cease to be

And running 'til you're nothing

Sounds a lot like being free

So I'll lay myself inside her

And I'll let her carry me

There's this moment
right before we go on stage

where we're all gathered in the wing

Jason gives a thumbs-up
to everybody with a...

a raised eyebrow to make sure

you know, "Everybody good?
Everybody good?"

And I miss that.

I can't wait to do that again.

I can't wait to be in that huddle.

See you all tomorrow.

There's only one story.

They say three in
your creative writing classes.

But there's only one really,
and that's...

"Will you listen
to what my life is like?"

You know? And let's compare.